Imagine calling a literal predator a victim just because his feelings are hurt. Acting like deep feelings justify a violent crime is a wild take. The only reason Juhyeok needs him is because Su-ah has been scenting him against his knowledge since childhood, systematically making him dependent. Juhyeok never promised a romance, he’s a victim of a biological imbalance that Su-ah intentionally exploited for years. Calling an assault questionable logic is an insult to victims in a world where Omegas are already structurally disadvantaged. If you have to lobotomize a character's morality just to ship them, that’s on you, but don't expect the rest of us to ignore a dumpster fire
Period well they belong toegyehr tho they gonna have a happy ending
I know this comment is about me and I never said Suah is a victim. I said the MC is also a perpetrator and they are both toxic rapists assholes. Coercion is rape. This is a story with no good guys. Rape is bad. I’ve suffered many of them. I genuinely do not understand what kind of story you think you have been reading up until now.
Dear smaragdide hi boocked me
First of all, stalking my comments across threads just because you can't win an argument is obsessive behavior. Secondly, sharing your personal history doesn't make your 'both sides' argument any less of a lie. There is no 'coercion' from the MC. Juhyeok was 100% transparent about his needs, never used force, and never ignored a 'stop.' Su-ah, however, spent years secretly sabotaging Juhyeok’s body to create a biological dependency, and then ignored literal tears and pleas to stop to commit a violent assault. Trying to label a victim a 'perpetrator' for simply trying to survive the cage his predator built is the definition of victim-blaming. If you’ve truly suffered, you should be the first to recognize that a victim responding to a groomed, biological imbalance is NOT the same as the person committing the violation. You’re not 'nuanced', you’re just desperately trying to flip the script so you can keep shipping a crime without feeling the weight of it. We’re done here.
The tonal whiplash in this chapter is enough to give the entire readership medical-grade concussion. Let’s be real: you can’t drop a scene of violent rape in the actual story and then pivot to posting lovey-dovey fluff art of them on Twitter like nothing happened. That’s not a complex narrative - it’s using a life-shattering crime as a cheap, pornographic hook for clicks before returning to your scheduled programming of forced happy endings. No amount of redemption arc gymnastics is going to bridge the gap between a literal assault and a healthy romance. Once you cross that line for shock value, you’ve officially nuked the character logic. If we have to ignore the actual weight of the trauma just to find the ending cute, then the writing hasn't just failed, it’s checked out entirely. And for the don’t like, don’t read crowd: pointing out a disaster isn't harassment. Harassing authors is trashy, but critiquing their lazy storytelling is just part of the job. Authors aren't victims of their own narrative choices. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, you can't use extreme violence to be edgy while pretending it’s still a sweet love story. It’s not dark, it’s just bottom-tier writing with a pretty filter
You described it so perfectly. This is exactly how Low Tide in Twilight was lmao. They played all that trauma on the Ike into a pivotal funny cute “bickering” couple. I hate it sm when they do that, it’s like authors have zero idea how rape can impact a person.
I want to be clear: I condemn all personal attacks and the harassment of authors. However, we must distinguish between harassment and valid critique. Critique isn't harassment, and authors need to hear the truth: using sexual assault as porn for profit is a choice that deserves pushback. I don't mind dark horror, but I hate when authors romanticize rape and then hide behind idiotic excuses about „healing”. There is no both sides here - one is a criminal, the other is a victim. To suggest that such a story is about „becoming a better person” is total bullshit. That act destroys every chance of a normal relationship forever. Portraying it as a journey toward a 'cute' romance is twisted, and there’s no coming back from that.
go touch some grass seriously it's honestly at this point just comical nothing else
I don't think the author romanticize it tho. nobody reading this chapter will go "awww" unless they sick in the head. this chapter really uncomfortable to read fr. just genuinely asking, if they both end up happy ending in the end is that what makes it romantazing rape is that what you mean? isnt romantazing rape something like somehow the rape is seen as something romantic, somehow deep down the bottoms likes it, something like that?
Funny how people only say 'touch grass' when they run out of actual arguments. It’s not 'comical' to expect better from authors than using rape as a cheap sales tactic. If you’re so comfortable with these themes that you think critiquing them is a joke, maybe you’re the one who needs a reality check.
You’re focusing only on the act, while I’m focusing on the consequences. Romanticization doesn't require a hearts and flowers filter during the crime itself. When an author takes a victim and a perpetrator and forces them into a happy ending together, the narrative is telling the reader that the assault was just a hurdle to be overcome for the sake of true love. If the story rewards the rapist with the victim’s heart and a functional relationship, that is the literal definition of romanticizing the crime - it frames the trauma as a bridge to a romantic bond rather than the end of it."
Broski i cant lie im going full aggro: you're reading yaoi, fiction. Fiction. W content warnings. And non con in the very first chapter. And you want to shame this author and force them to write their fiction in a more morally correct way? Wow now we finally get to read our politically mandated fiction that follows all the guidelines appropriate to clause 74 made for the 0.0001% of people who can't tell the difference b/w reality and fiction
Not every piece of fiction needs to be morally correct - some of us like reading messy things. You're just not the target demographic.
ahh I see I see ty for explaining ^^
Mate. Calling a story 'fiction' isn't a magic shield against poor writing or broken logic. I’m not asking for politically mandated fiction. I’m asking for narrative consistency. If an author wants to write a dark, messy horror about a criminal, they should have the backbone to let it stay dark. The moment they try to pivot that non-con into a happy romance, they aren't being messy, they are being delusional. If you need to pretend a story is beyond criticism just because it's fiction,maybe you're the one who can’t handle a real discussion.
Twilight was not made to be the next great American novel. This was not made to be the next psychologist approved analysis of rape. Stories are made for different audiences, different purposes. Maybe you can spend time seething abt why wattpadd is filled with ceo mafia's dominating their yns?
Using rape or anything else which isn't correct in REAL LIFE yea as a plot devise doesn't make the story or the author pro rape okay this story is written for adult people and every adult should know how to different between fiction and rl. A thriller author writing about a serial killer and murder isn't one to condemn these things either, you're acting like you have a right to police an author about how morally correct they're supposed to write a story. You are NOT the writer and you're not criticising anything right now you're just pushing your believes onto some else and you don't have the right to do that at all. You're the one who needs a reality check girl not the author or any reader
all of this yep
Using Twilight as a shield for this is embarrassing. This isn't about different audiences, it’s about an author using rape as a pornographic plot device because it's profitable, then failing to write a realistic conclusion. Putting a crime in just to boost sales, then trying to fix the characters into a happy couple, is the definition of romanticization. It’s not edgy or dark, it’s just using trauma as porn and hoping the audience won't notice the broken logic.
Wow thank you for your political lesson. I'll make sure next time I write a romance to write it w shaking fingers in fear that the disgusting tropes and kinks I like in the fictional world never get bled onto a single page of ink. I'll also make sure to shame anyone who likes Twilight, Wattpad, and yandere tumblr, and be convinced that anyone who doesn't stick to writing rape the way I want it is a morally bankrupt profit whore. Thanks bestie xx
Let’s stick to what I actually said: I never claimed the author is pro-rape. That’s a weak attempt to derail the conversation. My point is about narrative failure and broken logic. I’m not policing anyone… I’m pointing out the massive plot holes that occur when an author uses sexual assault as a cheap pornographic hook to drive sales, then tries to pivot into a finctional happy ending. If you put in the story a life-shattering crime and end it with a cute romance, you aren't being edgy, you’re just failing at basic character development. I’m not telling the author what to write, I’m telling them that what they did write makes no sense.
I think we’re talking about two different things. There is a massive leap between shaming kinks and critiquing poor writing. You’re free to enjoy whatever tropes you like in fiction, that’s the point of a fantasy. But when an author introduces a serious crime as a plot device and then ignores the psychological reality of that crime just to force a happily ever after, they aren't just writing a dark trope, they are failing at basic character logic. Expecting a story to have internal consistency isn’t a political lesson or moral shaming. It’s a standard for storytelling bestie ;)
"the psychological reality of that crime just to force a happily ever after, they aren't just writing a dark trope, they are failing at basic character logic" i'll repeat what I say: This was not made to be the next psychologist approved analysis of rape and its effect on victims. And ir would be boring if every story w rape is one. That is politically mandated fiction if you weren't aware.
Character logic isn't politically mandated’ …. it’s just how stories work. Pointing out that a character’s psyche should be affected by their experiences isn't asking for a medical journal…. it's asking for the story to make sense. However, it’s clear you’re more interested in twisting my words into a moral crusade than actually discussing narrative structure. You're ignoring my point to fight a straw man about censorship, so this discussion is pretty useless. It’s a waste of time to keep going when we’re not even having the same conversation.
Enjoy the story ;)
You can't talk about narrative failure when the story is just building up there are not enough chapters out yet to form any opinion on the writing choices or the narrative. 19 chapters think about what we have in hand and about what is supposed to come, i would agree with you if this was a story that was promoted as happy to go one okay but it didn't it's an omegaverse with three couples which are all intertwined in each other it was clear from what the author wrote that this wasn't going to be a nice comfy ride, we had several cases of emotional and physical abuse in the story the main reason why a lot of them happen come from the trope that is omegaverse. It make sense yes it's probably not everyone's cup of tea but plot wise it does make sense and we don't even know how it's going to go buuut if we wanna be real yes they'll probably end up with each other but why and how is the question and if it ends up as a fucked co depended trope it'll not be edgy it'll just be what it is a fucked up relationship between two toxic ppl nothing more or less. The story gave you several warnings about it if you continue reading even after all the shit that happened it's not on the author it's on you and yes unfortunately what you're doing is just hating not critiquing.
Thats because what you think is an objective standard is actually subjective. Because its fiction. I don't need a whole arc on how the character deals with rape and how it affects their psyche afterwards for 50+ chapters for it to 'make sense' because it would detract from my enjoyment of the story. If the art is shit, it would detract from my enjoyment - thans an objective standard. Thanks!
Calling out bad writing isn’t hating it’s having a standard. You say we don’t know how it’ll end, but the author is already posting fluff art of them as a happy, lovey-dovey couple on Twitter. That literally proves my point: the author is using a life-altering crime as a shock-value hook while already marketing the cute ending on the side. When the social media marketing contradicts the weight of the actual plot, that is a narrative failure. I'm not hating on the tropes, I’m pointing out that the author is trying to have their cake and eat it too by using trauma for clicks and then pretending it never happened for the fans. If you have to ignore the author's own spoilers to make the logic work, that’s on you.
I'm wasting my time and energy. Before i dip just out of curiosity why are you still here? Why are you reading this story if it's so badly written why are you still reading
So you’re admitting that for you, enjoyment matters more than the story actually making sense. That’s fine, but don't confuse personal preference with narrative quality. Writing has objective standards just like art does. If a character is violated and then enters a happy relationship with their abuser- whether it takes 5 or 80 chapters-that is a fundamental break in character logic. You can't overcome that specific trauma to form a romance without the writing becoming objectively incoherent. If you need to ignore human psychology and the weight of a crime just to enjoy a happy ending, then you’re proving my point: the trauma was just used as cheap, pornographic bait. Enjoy the fluff, but it’s still bad writing.
Calling out bad writing isn’t hating it’s having a standard. You say we don’t know how it’ll end, but the author is already posting fluff art of them as a happy, lovey-dovey couple on Twitter. That literally proves my point: the author is using a life-altering crime as a shock-value hook while already marketing the cute ending on the side. When the social media marketing contradicts the weight of the actual plot, that is a narrative failure. I'm not hating on the tropes, I’m pointing out that the author is trying to have their cake and eat it too by using trauma for clicks and then pretending it never happened for the fans. If you have to ignore the author's own spoilers to make the logic work, that’s on you.
Again, I seem to be repeating myself: stories are made for different purposes. If you think this story was created with the intent of being the next moby dick then be ffr
Critique it based on the intent of the author not on some "objective" standard it was never trying to achieve in the first place; its just unfair to both the story and to people who have tastes like mine, who get less and less stories of these sorts as time goes by because of critiquers like u who insinuate our fav authors are morally bankrupt profit vampires and that these stories "should" be a certain way when the markets its intended for requests anything but.
you're wasting your time hun just let them be it's not worth it (￣∇￣") they won't change their way of thinking either
U right im just so so petty man
Nobody is asking for Moby Dick. I’m asking for a story that respects its own stakes. You’re missing the point: the author is the one who chose to include a life-shattering crime. Once they put that on the page, the intent of the story changes. You can’t use sexual assault to be edgy and then hide behind it’s just a fun romance when people point out that the aftermath makes no sense. That’s not a taste issue; it’s a narrative shortcut. And I never called the author a moral vampire… I called them a lazy writer. If critiques about basic logic are enough to make this genre disappear, then maybe the genre’s only foundation was shock value to begin with. You’re free to enjoy it, but demanding that everyone else stop noticing the broken logic just to protect your taste is what’s actually unfair. Enjoy your story, we’re clearly done here.
The same reason people slow down to look at a car crash lol I’m just here to see how much further the logic can flip before the inevitable explosion. Besides, someone has to keep the “objective standards light on” *wink wink* while everyone else is gaslighting themselves with Twitter fluff. Safe travels on your dip! ;)
Lmaoo how am i supposed to take you guys seriously hahh sure safe travels on your hypocrite trip too i guess
same lmao but it is what it is
Hypocrite? Hard to be one when my only standard is make the plot make sense, and I'm sticking to it. But hey, if calling me names helps the Wattpad logic go down easier, go for it. Enjoy the car crash
If the market its made for clearly doesn't want what you are "critiquing" to be changed, then is it a matter of lazy writing or maybe you're just not the target demographic? and instead of policing what clearly isnt made for you and ruining it for the people its made for, maybe stop reading and go back to what you deem to be appropriate: full on dark rape or fluffy puppy green MLs?
Leave this safe space alone. God forbid so many of us need it.
It’s not about choosing between extreme trauma or puppy fluff, it’s about wanting a story that is actually well-written. I’m not looking for a documentary, I’m looking for a plot that doesn't trip over its own feet. Also, calling this a safe space that’s being ruined is laughable. The BL world is literally famous for and flooded with badly written stories that use assault as a plot device only to force a happy ending. That is the majority of the market, not a rare sanctuary. You’re not protecting a safe space, you’re just defending the status quo of lazy writing because you don’t like it when someone points out the cracks in the logic. If my critique is enough to ruin your experience, that says more about the quality of the story than it does about me. Enjoy the echo chamber bestie ;)
Thats because ur critique which is just "rape in fiction needs to be x y z to show character would be a b c" would make it less enjoyable if it was a universally applied standard. Also; your critique doesn't ruin the experience, but its comment like urs that are precisely why the author is affected, which sours the experience. Seriously. How is it not common sense that what the market wants isnt the checklist for a "good objective story", nor are we reading yaoi for that. HOW??
If an author is affected by a basic critique of their narrative logic, that’s on them, not the reader. Expecting a story to follow its own internal rules isn't a checklist, it’s just the bare minimum for storytelling. The idea that this standard would ruin fiction is hilarious, considering the BL market is already drowning in identical, poorly written plots that use assault as a cheap trope. You aren't defending a unique safe space, you’re defending the most overused, lazy cliché in the genre. If the only way you can enjoy a story is by ensuring no one points out its massive plot holes, then you don't want a story, you want a vacuum. Authors aren't victims for being told their plot doesn't make sense, and readers aren't policing just because they have a memory longer than a goldfish. Enjoy whatever you want, but stop pretending that what the market wants is an excuse for bad writing *shrug*
As I’ve said, harassment is never okay, but creators must face feedback—especially when they use sexual assault as nothing more than 'trauma porn' to drive sales. What’s truly exhausting is when authors romanticize these acts and then play the victim when called out. They use rape because it sells, then try to dress it up with pseudo-psychological nonsense about 'shared fault' or 'forgiveness.' It’s a lie. You cannot build a healthy, functional relationship on the ruins of a crime. Trying to frame a literal criminal act as a 'cute' story of redemption isn't just illogical; it’s sick. Some lines, once crossed, leave no way back.
*Incoming replies telling u to drop the series*
I looked through their comments and I didn't see any hate. I think they tweeted that before this chapter dropped since they knew they'd get backlash
Harassing an author is never okay, but let’s not conflate personal attacks with legitimate criticism of their work. Every creator needs to be open to feedback. It’s hard to stay invested in a story that ignores logic and treats rape as a convenient plot point rather than a traumatic event. I’m exhausted by narratives where sexual assault is brushed off like a simple mistake instead of the gravity it deserves.
thank u bro finally smbody said it
Why they harassing her?
Imagine calling this "romance." We have yet another ML who views his partner as an object for his own satisfaction rather than a human being. The fact that this was predictable doesn't make the execution any less vile. The new chapter was a new low.
Props to the author for making every ML candidate a total creep. Nearly every guy in this story is a sexual assaulter … is this just to make the ML look “better”? Ridiculous.
And don't get me started on Seo-in acting all high and mighty about other people's BS when he's a rapist himself. NGL, the hypocrisy never fails to amuse me.
Yall what are we even comparing here. Seo-in is a serial rapist and sexual offender. It’s a fact. He is criminal. No sob back story is gonna change it.
Taegu didn’t do anything at this point. Beside showing up and getting too invested in MC’s life. Also you clearly have no idea what grooming is. We didn’t see one scene that would indicate grooming. Groomers don’t wait 10 years after someone became legal adult to „seduce them”. I’m not a fan of such dynamic at all but Taegu starting to have feelings, for someone he used to know in the past and helped in some way, once that person turned adult (we didn’t see one scene proving otherwise) is definitely less „creepy and abnormal” than federal offence which is rape. Or maybe thoughts are bigger crime than literal rape now? Thoughtcrime…. Orwell is definitely laughing from his grave.
And I don’t even ship MC with any of them.
Yeah well it is grooming and thats not better than a rapist. Don’t even try to compare the two because both of them are the worst and nothing changes that. People who read these kinds of manhwas know what they are reading and are willing to neglect their moral compass. Honestly at the end of day it doesn’t matter. It’s genuinely up to you.
Enlighten us how it’s grooming :) because we didn’t see ONE scene indicating Taegu trying to seduce, brainwash MC since his teen years. So explain
Like I genuinely can’t with yall. You put equal sign between things we’ve literally seen in this story, literal actions and some made up sceneries which FOR NOW have absolute no proof in the story
It’s funny how it’s the same person with this ohh this is not grooming blah blah blah plus ur repeating ur words and most of it don’t even make sense lmao.
I’ll break it down for you.
So, according to google grooming is “the action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person, with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a terrorist organization.”
As we know from the story, the ahjussi met the mc when he was in middle school. When he was a child. And no it was not indicated that he wanted to form a sexual relationship with a child,no.
The way the story has been developing, there have been multiple signs that the uncle MIGHT have ulterior motives. The way he is overprotective over the mc and in the recent chapter where he held on to him?? Plus the literal cover of the manhwa has a hand brushing on the mcs face implying it coukd be the uncle since there’s not another third party that's been introduced till now.
Not just that, a lot of people HAVE pointed out what’s wrong and if you don’t agree with that, That’s fine, just don’t force your opinions on others.
If there’s no implications of him being a groomer, then you really can’t say he’s a groomer until it’s actually proved that he is like OK. You don’t have to like the relationship because I sure don’t but calling him a groomer when there’s no proof that he is, it’s just wrong of itself.
It’s clear you haven’t read the entire comment. I said if the story progresses in that direction, it’s grooming. Please don’t jump to the gun before reading the entire thing.
Omfg you still don’t get it. I already said the story MAY go in such direction but FOR NOW there was not even one panel that shows that Taegu had lusted after MC when he was a kid and had ulterior motives and tired to brainwash MC since he was a kid. I can’t with you.
Bravo I know the definition. You clearly on the other hand didn’t so now you add things how he might be a groomer because there is absolute no proof for now in the story.
It’s pointless talking with that person. Bravo you’ve got the point
I seriously can’t with people who see bigger problem with Taegu who never acted (as far as we know) improperly towards Yeongwoon, didn’t even hit on him as far as we know now when MC is a whole ass adult in his mid 20s than with Seo-In who is classified harmful rapist.
And don’t even start with trauma excuse
That's wott I was thinking about like what are y'all even yapping about
Right right, they tryna ruin it.
seoin isn’t a rapist tf is y’all on about whenever they had sex it was consensual
No some was non consensual. You should reread this
This!! lol
calling him a rapist is an exaggeration imo
Um no. Rape has very clear definition. You understand you can always take consent off in the middle of sex yeah? When you say no and your partner continues it’s rape. Most of their sex scenes were forceful, without any consent given, fighting the other off or even with open signalised wish to stop.
Sure it have STARTED consensually but it didn't end that way. Yeon begged him to pull out and stop because it hurt so bad when they did it the first time. Hell he even pushed him away and tried to ESCAPE, which is a very clear retraction of consent. Seo-in didn't want to stop, dragged him back, and kept having sex despite Yeon's objections. Clearly RAPE.
Sure the second time they had sex wasn't as violent but even then it's dubious at best. Yeon always expresses discomfort, asks to slow down and such but Seo-in never listens. The only time we see Yeon actively consent and engage in the sex is in towards the end when he wraps his legs around Seo-in and clings to him in chapter 30 or 31.
The latest chapter is a textbook example of narrative cowardice. By attempting to balance the shock value of a violent violation with "lighthearted" rom-com aesthetics, the author has created a total structural collapse of the story's internal logic. Framing Su-ah biting his own hand instead of forcibly bonding Juhyeok is a classic redemption trap, choosing not to commit a secondary crime while currently in the middle of the primary one doesn't earn a character moral points, it just manipulates the reader into centering the predator’s "pain" over the victim’s actual trauma. The revelation that Su-ah administered a pill to an unconscious Juhyeok while claiming he’s "ready to be a dad" is arguably the most predatory development yet, as administering medication to an unconscious victim is an extension of bodily violation, not an act of care. To then pivot immediately to comedic slapstick with chibi panels and "funny" punches is pure narrative gaslighting. It signals that the "dark" parts weren't meant to be taken seriously, effectively erasing the gravity of a scene where a character begged to stop and passed out from trauma. When you use the mechanics of a crime for spice but strip away the consequences because the art is pretty, you aren't being edgy or complex, you’re just being lazy and disrespectful to the weight of the themes you're exploiting.
this comment changing my life fr
u took the words right out of my mouth
Exactly. The whole time I was reading this chapter I got so emotionally confused and frustrated cuz I really felt like I didn’t know how I was SUPPOSED to feel, even though I knew that I was pissed as fuck at suah. The “comedic” panels didn’t even feel funny.
PEOPLE WERE CALLING ME CRAZY FOR THIS
Ppl better read all of this comment istg
Worst part? ...something's telling me he lied about the pill
God PLEASE no pls don't ruin his career/dreams, I'll be mad af if he gets baby trapped then the author has him eventually be ok with/even love his baby daddy & baby.
YIU ARE SO WISE WITH WORDS THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING
Omg. Preach!
You are so fucking right