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exactly, I was so shocked he got paired with that red head, HE DOESN'T DESERVE A SINGLE PERSON...

To quote some who spoiled: apparently dane is a more psychopath than grayson, and literally puts him in his place every damn time, like the insignificant shoe dust he is.

If that's the case, I hate it even more because the story will rely solely on me enjoying somebody else's abuse, which f* that. Like in what universe was Grayson's story a good idea? He sexually harassed Yeonwoo and traumatized his own baby brother and he shows 0 remorse... One who saw that and said "Oh, yeah, that's lead character material right there."

He and dane were actually the starting point of zigs omegaverse that's why may be we see dane and grayson in other stories...i genuinely hated him so much that i started his novel to see him get bottomed only to find out dane is dom omega...he is u could say very interesting character once you read his novel lot of people switched from hating to loving ...i genuinely liked his novel very much..but if you can't digest his character it's totally fine to not read it lol

What Bleuwz said, it's the first story the author came up with.

Nope, the thing with Yeonwoo is different. He is aware that Keith and Yeonwoo are in love, even a long time before they knew themselves. He just likes baiting others and see their reactions. And Keith really is his friend, he wouldn't do anything to Yeonwoo. But KML is from Yeonwoo's perspective, and he is always weary of Grayson.
For example before the thing on that ship at the beginning happened, Grayson warned Yeonwoo and also Keith, but they ignored his warning. And it was Grayson who in the end got the alphas off Yeonwoo, but that is easy to miss, because that only comes up a few chapters later when Yeonwoo thinks back what happened, in one sentence. And it was only mentioned in the novel iirc.

You need to wait until Josh talks with Chase about it, you will find out that Grayson has problems with understanding emotions. Those smiles are so creepy, because they are fake. And Grayson is really convinced that he helped Chase. In a way he did, but it caused Chase getting a dog trauma.
The question here is why Chase couldn't talk to the doctor to get those injections himself. Or why their dad did nothing, since he has them all monitored.
For Grayson to show remorse that will need character development, as in to really understand what others are feeling.
One of the biggest problems of the Miller family are the too early manifested and their issues with understanding emotions etc. Chase was the only of the DA siblings who manifested late enough to really understand emotions.

You do realize that your argument (or the author's I guess) is contradictory right?
Grayson has enough emotional intelligence to recognize Keith and Yeonwoo's feelings before they do, harmlessly tease Yeonwoo while fully knowing well where the harassment line is, value Keith's friendship sincerely and actively act on his behalf to protect Yeonwoo from getting raped because he understands it would affect Keith...
But he also has so little knowledge of emotion that he is incapable of recognizing logically why his brother would be disgusted at the notion of having sex with a dog during his rut? Incapable of recognizing why tossing a young child down a chimney or in front of a bus would cause them psychological trauma, and how everything he's done to Chase over the years is abuse?
He obviously understood when Josh hit him that he himself didn't want to get hit, that it hurt and that in his mind didn't deserve to get hit... He recognized WHY Josh hit him? He understand Josh enough to see his feelings for Chase clearly... And yet he doesn't recognize all the violence that HE heaped on Chase as abuse??? He doesn't understand why his brother hates and fears him??? You're kidding right?
He's either a horribly written inconsistent character or just a shit person so which is it?

Grayson was trained by teachers to recongnize emotions on others and how to react to them, but doesn't understand them. He can't recognize emotions in himself, so for him it's like not feeling them, but he isn't really emotionless.

The age difference between Chase and Grayson is 2-4 years, not sure on which the author decided in the end. When that happened, throwing Chase from the stairs etc, Grayson himself was a child. And his twinsister was normaly involved in that too. Dominant alphas are very robust, a small injury is nothing to them since Grayson and Stacy are born manifested it must have been like that for them from the start. As children they were fully convinced that they were helping Chase. In that case it was for the adults to do something.
And not feeling/understanding emotions is only one problem and not the only one.

He brought his dog, because he panicked (novel). But later told Chase that lie, to make him go to the pheromone parties. Think about it, why that lie? Why mentioning Bliss in another chapter? He is using Chase's fear to make him go to the pheromone parties. So he full well knows that the dog thing, incest is disgusting and not ok. But still it is something that could theoretically happen, since the pheromone and animalistic shit is real in that universe. So he full well knows that Chase is afraid of it, but sees it as the most logical and effective way to help Chase with his pheromone problem.

I get that it happened when he was a child. I mean how can he not understand it NOW? Even if what you say is true and he recognizes the dog issue and is using it as a weapon to control Chase, then again, why doesn't he understand the abuse NOW? Even from a logical if not empathetic point of view. If he was trained then he should recognize and understand from an objective point of view, because objectively, causing bodily harm to a child is societally frowned upon, even if its not a big deal from his POV. But even when Josh signaled to him that it was abuse, he still remained nonchalant and denied it. And he doesn't understand supposedly, but still feels rather resentful that Chase is not grateful for his efforts and rebukes him, so he understands gratitude then? Or does he only understand when it pertains him and not others? Or does he understand that he's torturing his brother and yet doesn't care? Or does he care but decides that his "for Chase's greater good" POV justifies his every action? NONE of those scenarios endears him to me in the least.

you could say he still does not understand the emphathic pov SPOILER in dmyic he heards a child asking for help he was starved and abused so a normal person would help the child by getting him out of that situation but not grayson he 'helps' the child by locking himself with the child in the basement he was helping him to pass time even when dane rescued the child grayson still remained in the basement so that he could tell the abusive dad that the child was taken not that child walked out on his own...the abusive dad even pointed gun at grayson and it still does not affect hiim..when he gets what he did wrong to chase he apologises to chase but chase does not accept it[which is valid from chase pov]....he kinda resembles chase a lot when he finally feels emotions he is even more clingy and whiny ....he was born as a dominant alpha so he,nathaniel,larien,stacy all of them emotional organs are somewht broken compared to chase whose emotional organs are fully developed

can i get a spoiler? did grayson get therapy? or is therapy even enough... did something big happen for him to realise what he did to chase?

Because Grayson's issues didn't magically go away. If that was so easy, dominant alphas wouldn't be so problematic. Grayson was even diagnosted wrong as a child, they thought that he was really emotionless. So they most likely didn't give him the treament he needed. In addition I don't think that not recongnizing emotions is his only problem. And by the way, he is also a selfish asshole, that is also part of his character.

So far the author made them all change when they find their partner, in some cases not for the better.
It's the same with Chase, Chase was a violent asshole to others before Josh, difficult to tell if that changed since it was never mentioned later.

Why does Grayson need to be endearing to start reading his story? Are you seriously telling me you found Chase endearing when he injured/ tried to kill others?
There is something called character development. It's also different having a character as as side or as main characters, having their own pov or the pov of others.
And seriously, a lot of people started reading Desire for Grayson to get karma in form of Dane. And many of those didn't intent to suffer along with Garyson and started to like him. It just happened.
In addition Dane was a fan favorite in Kiss me liar. Most didn't care that much about Josh back then, it was mainly Dane they were into.
So it's up to you if you want to read it or not. At least the novel was pretty popular, and so far it's my favorite of the author.

No, Chase still thinks that Grayson wants to trick him, he doesn't believe that his apology is genuine, that's why he didn't accept it.
Josh knows that Grayson changed, but Chase most likely doesn't believe it. But no matter if Chase accept it in the end or not, it's important for Chase to get an honest apology. And Josh knows that or he wouldn't have let Grayson trying to apologize to Chase. So it's actually good that Grayson will keep trying.

Yea dane happened dane is opposite of grayson he is altruistic without any care for himself he always saves everyone.. grayson did not understand why he would save strangers..the chase dog thing was his logic but when dane got involved he thinks what dane would do in this situation....dane made him feel every emotion when he realised what emotions were he was able to see what he did wrong to chase and genuinely apologized to chase

Yea that too plus Grayson tormented chase in his childhood so it's understandable that chase would not accept the apology and have hard time accepting it..I love Grayson but from chase pov it's completely valid that he does not believe or accept it

As I said, it up to Chase if he accept it or not. The important thing concerning Chase is that he believes that Grayson really means it, that Grayson understands what he did to him. He needs that to get closure, and Josh knows that, too. That's why I said it's good that Grayson is keeps trying.

Yes!!