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Zhenzhu August 30, 2026 10:21 pm

I am happy nanjo can recognize that using death threats is a form of manipulation even if the person using it doesn't have that intention, but it's very funny and ironic how this all-knowing rationale wasn't there when he was being played by Sunhwa and tossed around like a sexdoll in those threesomes. Pretty convenient to gain enlightenment now lmao

    dontask August 30, 2026 11:22 pm

    Comparing having a threesome with a guy you like to having a guy you cut off threatening to kill himself

    Zhenzhu August 31, 2026 5:53 am
    Comparing having a threesome with a guy you like to having a guy you cut off threatening to kill himself dontask

    He was coerced into having a threesome he didn't want and didn't exactly like almost all of the time, conned into being a sugar daddy, and played by Sunhwa badly that he didn't even question anything despite so many warning signs and red flags. Whenever Mokyeon would drop a hint to anything he'd label him a liar, an abuser, a sociopath, so on. So yes, I will compare the mental maturity and presence of mind a character shows belatedly in the story to a single specific character while conveniently lacking it for the majority of the plot when it came to a certain poorly acting Sunhwa.

    It is evident that that what Nanjo cares about most is himself and his own views of things rather than the actual concept of not being gaslit or guilt tripped of coerced. If he feels good about the thing or the person then he wouldn't care, if he doesn't like the person then it's a problem. If he wants to find faults then he will, if he doesn't want to find faults he'll conveniently turn a blind eye to it. Even when he was presented with the truth of Sunhwa, he was still more angry at Mokyeon than Sunhwa and that says a lot.

    This in no way erases what Mok did and how he wronged Nanjo, but I find Nanjo's hyper vigilance so very misplaced and odd when he had an out of this situation many times and he chose an in almost every time. It's just ironic.

    dontask September 1, 2026 7:47 pm
    He was coerced into having a threesome he didn't want and didn't exactly like almost all of the time, conned into being a sugar daddy, and played by Sunhwa badly that he didn't even question anything despite so... Zhenzhu

    Exactly, because he liked Sunhwa, and not Mokyeon. You can write as many paragraphs about how much worse Sunhwa is but at the end of the day, he still went back to him and not Mokyeon. He says it himself after Mokyeon confesses the truth, Sunhwa didn’t have that much power over him, so he was going along because he liked him. And he was not even being hyper vigilant with Mokyeon, Mokyeon just acted crazy and no sane person would’ve stayed by his side,

    Zhenzhu September 1, 2026 9:12 pm
    Exactly, because he liked Sunhwa, and not Mokyeon. You can write as many paragraphs about how much worse Sunhwa is but at the end of the day, he still went back to him and not Mokyeon. He says it himself after ... dontask

    Lowkey proving my point but okay. Agree to disagree on some aspects.

Zhenzhu August 29, 2026 3:51 pm

I decided to give the novel a go since this is on hiatus and I really do love the story. I'm surprised by how different the scenes go in the novel than the manhwa. The manhwa has taken so much liberties with how they arrange specific scenes and which character says what thing, though the main point and main roles are preserved.

I am unsure which I prefer more. While the novel seems more realistic in terms of recounting events and behavior, it does feel disjointed at times and the manhwa does a lot better in stringing the scenes along and giving a bigger picture of what's happening, however the manhwa... How do I say this... Beautifies the emotions and words a lot compared to the novel. It tries its best to make sure the feelings and intentions come across more obviously than the novel since the novel doesn't truly show how some people feel this much, especially with the imperial family and, for example, empress and her talks with shuri. It's so odd to read their conversations in the novel then witness them in the manhwa which are so different.

Also SO many church dynamics that have been happening in the manhwa are literally not mentioned till lets say the founding festival in the novel (cause that's where I'm at in the novel) despite them being shown in the manhwa more extensively.

It's interesting. I wouldn't say I prefer the manhwa, nor can I say I prefer the novel. I suppose the manhwa for me is more of a retelling of some events and should be read separately. I'll probably reread the manhwa again once im done with the novel.

    Zhenzhu August 30, 2026 6:19 am

    So the scene with Jeremy finding the necklace happened and him concluding Shuri saw his father in him and was afraid of Johan. Well. That was underwhelming.

    Gotta say I can't believe I prefer the manhwa overall over the novel. That's a first.

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