Can someone remind me where we see their kids in kiss me liar? Like which chapters cause I need to see again
I am somehow reminded of a post on X (or an insta reel or TikTok I caNT FIND IT NOW) about someone asking their artist friend who draws smut if they rub one out to their art or jist stay horny as they draw it, or have no reaction at all. The answer lives in my head rent free and when trying to apply it now to manhwa authors/artists it makes it even funnier.
The answer was yes, they do, sometimes, multiple times even while drawing. I wish to unlearn this, but also go queens.
I keep pondering on what young meant when he said there's a difference between them in chapter 18, but the way I see it is that the difference between both is essentially their biggest similarity: being human
If you look closely, both of them have their optimistic and pessimistic views. Despite Jiho's depression and loneliness, and how it affects him psychologically and emotionally, he's able to see meaning and beauty in everything. Everything in life, for him, has a meaning; an higher motive of existence. Things don't just "be", they're representations for bigger pictures or deeper meanings, and because of this mentality and his introspection, the burden of his loneliness and sadness burrows deeper into him and he can't help but feel it all.
On the other hand, Young simplifies everything in life. "It is what it is" mentality. Everything exists because everything exists, there isn't always a beautiful or a fundamental deeper meaning to everything that's going on. This was highlighted when he was talking about the orchestra. To Jiho, there was beauty in the arrangement, the ambience, and the setting. To Young, he cannot think or feel what this all means, he sees things from the other darker side or more nihilistic, which is there really isn't a higher meaning to those who're performing, to them, it's just another day at work. They don't care about all of this each time. And I think this is a beautiful way to reflect on both their characters.
It's so good and rare to see manhwas or even some media portray depression in someone so full of life and art and beauty and positive outlook, while the one who is in peace with life be so nihilistic, numb, pessimistic, and emotionally constipated at times.
Because Jiho feels too much, he aches too much. Because Young put a lid on his emotions, he turned a back to his aches, which manifested as his nihilism.
I feel like i lost my point but what I mean to say is, Young thinks they're different just because they're looking at things from different angles, but in the end they're both just looking for ways to cope with their lives. While one distracts himself with art and beauty, trying to give reason to everything that's happened to him, the other tries to convince himself things just happen, and that he couldn't have done anything about the things he faced.
Okay I'm confused about something after reading the novel then coming back to reread earlier chapters here of the manhwa
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Why is Albert the one engaged to Daphne? Wasn't it James? The Kingsley family did not have ties with Laurel family, it was the Cheslow, right? That's why im confused and I feel like this will ruin so many things because so many scenes will not make sense if Bella is with Albert. I don't understand why the manhwa decided to do that
Sooo given the randomly sprinkled hints, and according to Chaejun's memories and uncle's words, I guess Seung Hyeon has something to do with Chaejun's past and possibly the incident that caused him insomnia.
If you remember around chapter 30 something maybe he had told Chaejun about his brother and how overprotective he is, and that his worst was around middle school (the time he met young chaejun) and that he'd control the circle of people around him and push away anyone he found unnecessary or unworthy or just bothered him and didn't want him near Seung Hyeon. Given how uncle immediately recognized young Seung Hyeon, and how he had guesses as to who locked Chaejun up as a kid, I am GUESSING it's Seung Hyeon's older brother. He probably did that to scare away Chaejun and have him not approach Seung Hyeon again. Going by the memories Chejun had around chapter 39ish of hitting Seung Hyeon as a child it could be what happened after he got locked up and he took it out of the person he thought made his hyung do this to him, or it could be a fight before the incident which led Seung Hyeon's brother to decide to 'punish' Chaejun by scaring him off a little.
I don't think the brother intended for it to cause this level of harm, but that's a dick move nonetheless.
It could be Seung Hyeon himself who unintentionally locked Chaejun up, but this would make the whole plot point of his brother being overprotective and neurotic and pishing everyone away kinds off topic and unrelated. Oh well
I genuinely think the actual forced emotions that were going on was between blondie and mc. I'm sorry I don't remember any names as of now except seojoon cause the comments are full of it.
But yeah as I was saying, Blondie was so hung up on his childhood crush and friend he convinced himself this was first and true love. He never actually met mc again or knew him well, he was just riding that obsession to find him then that high of finding him that it was quite easy to let it go once he realized it's not mutual. It's not that he got over mc and immediately considered Seojoon, it's that mc was never a real option to begin with and his feelings for him weren't romantic.
Also I don't really this it's right to fault and blame Blondie for Seojoon's wasted potential because he never forced him into being his secretary or limiting himself. Blondie saw the facets of Seojoon's personality that Seojoon WANTED him to see, and blondie took it at face value. Maybe he should've delved deeper, yes, but honestly it's a matter of character imo. Some people really aren't very adept and empathetic enough with social interactions that they can read between the lines or be very intuitive about hidden or unsaid words. Taking things the people you care for and trust say at face value is never a crime and never means you care less. "Why would Seojoon never shae his interests or real likes and dislikes with me? We're quite close! We're best friends! I share everything with him all the time" is what he'd think, and I can't fault him for it.
I find it quite unfair to blame blondie for everything that's happening really, he's just a bit dense and airheaded but he's not forcing anything. He does seem like a clingy person who just doesn't want to let Seojoon go, but I personally truly feel like their relationship was never pure friendship to begin with. It just got mixed up with blondie's obsession with finding mc and seojoon's unwavering belief that blondie doesn't feel the same that he consistently put boundaries between them and never revealed his true self most if the time that ended up with a weird situationship happening without any advancement forward.
I do feel bad for seojoon. It sucks.
I just truly also feel bad for blondie and find it also unfair to suddenly realize the person you've known most of your life and thought were the closest to hid not only his feelings from you but also something as simple as his favorite drink. That the whole "I know him well if not best" is a lie. The friendship was a lie. All the times he thought he was close to him was a lie.
Ofc I don't believe it was all a lie, but imagine being in his position. Then also be told let Seojoon go. Which is fair for seojoon, he shouldn't remain in a relationship that brings him heartache, but when taking in blondie's side of things it really also seems quite unfair.
I wonder how the author is gonna take this further tbh.
Then there's me who's so fixated on how well the anatomy details are drawn his cock and hole and honestly? Slay
I will need to come back to this and reread to get the full effect because i was mainly distracted at the fact the artist for Bihwan is missing in this chapter and Minchan's artist also drew Bihwan and that's why he looks different and unsettling all of a sudden to my eyes
I can't disagree more with the people saying Ariadne is stupid and acting like so with how things are advancing right now. Ariadne is anything but stupid. She's single handedly played the politics game into her favor multiple times. She survived her step mother's abuse and worked around it, she isolated her step siblings and revealed their evils, she manipulated her father into giving her what she wants while making him think he's doing it for his own good. She gathered her aids, she prepared for the plague and made herself one of the richest in the kingdom through it, even had the king seeking her for her wits and money. She played the king, had Cesare on a leash, and managed to keep him and Aflonso alive with the king's rocky temperament.
At the end of the day, she's just a girl (meme aside). She was verbally, emotionally, and physically abused her whole previous life, she has a lot of trauma and trust issues, and most of her actions in this life aren't smartness because she's just smart and ambitious, it's all defense mechanism and survival instincts. Its purely fueled by the fear of ending up in the same place as her previous life. Alfonso was the only new lovely thing in this life for her, and the only weakness she now has. And it's fleeting. They didn't even spend so much time together for their love and trust to be solidified and steady to bear the loss of communication without anxiety and fear.
I think the problem here is the way this manhwa is written (idk if the style remains in the novel) and how the emotions and thoughts are presented. Chapter 173 has the potential to be THE chapter for me with Ariadne's mental breakdown, giving in to Cesare not because she likes him but more of losing hope in Alfonso, and not Alfonso as a person but more of what he represented in her life. Hope. Something new. A life without the haunting trauma. Innocence. Something she chose. Someone who loved her at her worst.
She's giving in bodily, like she'll start being a puppet going with the flow, hoping maybe Cesare is sincere this time and she won't be dealt that much pain.
Of course i assume this is a temporary breakdown, but you can't fault her for having it when she has no clue why Alfonso isn't even responding to her, where he is, if he still loves her, and being pressured by everyone about Cesare and how she should live. She's confused and that's normal. Imagine being in her place...
I really wish the manhwa's story telling is more introspective and heavily themed aesthetic because that would've fitted the story more.
Also I am getting a bit frustrated at the lack of Alfonso being shown when he's supposed to be the main lead, but I suppose I understand the artistic sense behind it. It's meant to blind us to him and his whereabouts, cause us anxiety, and shackle us to Ari's pov. He's literally haunting the narrative this way.
Ah well, can't wait for him to be back because shit will start hitting the fan from that moment forward.
I love how Shuraka's accessories' main gems are red, like Tei's eyes.
Honestly, I don't dislike either of them for this. I do think it's ridiculous to be faulting blondie when literally how was he supposed to know seojoon had a crush on him? He's been his friend for 12 years, he had a crush on his childhood friend, and Seojoon was even helping him out with that. He didn't think of him romantically consciously because
1) he was convinced he had a crush on his childhood friend (and our mc)
2) he was under the impression seojoon thinks of him as a friend
3) seojoon is helping him in his romantic endeavors
4) there has been no hints towards anything different in their relationship
Some people (like me) have their minds literally and consciously block out such possibilities when they are deemed unwanted. You're incapable of going to the "what if" realm because nth hinted towards it and if so there's no reason to entertain the idea at all. The thought simply never comes, unless promoted.
So faulting blondie for this is ridiculous when the reason blondie never tried to process his attachment to Seojoon beyond friendship is the same reason why Seojoon never confessed or hinted: both wanted to maintain this close friendship because it fills their heart. Had Seojoon hinted early on and at the start, this could've been done with (either with rejection or acceptance) but choosing to hide it and act neutral and even help him in his romantic life then blame him for never taking that initial step and closing the gap? Diabolical. What has he been doing for that step anyway except pining in silence?
Also why is everyone so hard on blondie and how he needs more time? Yes he needs more than 12 years cause those 12 years were 12 years of friendship without any hint of anything more from Seojoon either and, as I said, if his mind deems it a fruitless useless thought he'll just never cross that territory even with a thought. Breaching it would mean inviting more unwanted and unsolicited thoughts that could threaten their friendship. Those 2 months are 2 months thinking from a different perspective and finally allowing himself to process the attachment he has for him without the desperation of being unable to reach or find him. It sounds reasonable and that's honestly what he's owed for suddenly being given an ultimatum without any prior hints or notices then ghosted after 12 years of presumed friendship.
On the other hand I understand Seojoon's pain and how the extra time is cruel from his pov, and how he might feel hurt with a touch of entitlement to his own emotions and what their relationship means based on his own hurt feelings. He's scarred, yes, and very hurt, so I get why he'd lash out like that and say 12 years and you never once closed that gap, but i hope he realizes that for 12 years he never closed it either. Having feelings for a secret crush on someone doesn't give you the right to start testing them in an imaginary trial that they have no idea about.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
Okay, not to say this is ooc or anything. It's not.
I just... I truly dislike this arc, so so much. My main reason for hating amnesia arcs is because the one forgetting is usually very hurtful and mean and ends up hurting the person they're with. What happens when their memory is back? When the one remembers everything and returns to normal, their partner is now left with a permanent scar of what happened and how they were treated.
If amnesia arcs happen early on before an established relationship (especially a very long and deep one) it's more understandable and tolerable, and even if not that early on if it's handled well it can be presented nicely and with a purpose, but whatever the fuck is happening here is just a mess. The whole point of this manhwa and Owen's journey is to get over his imminent and crippling fear of Nux dying because of all the cycles he went through with him, and to learn to live freely and be happy with Nux now, knowing how to give him his own freedom while still being by Owen's side. He even started to be less jealous than before. Everything was going smoothly only for the author to ruin it and push us 100 steps back or even way lower than the beginning with this arc because now all the confidence Owen had is gone, he has worse ptsd, he cannot live freely or peacefully knowing regardless of what they achieve now he can lose it all in a second if Nux changed, and he's now left with a permanent wider and worse scar of it all. Idk how the author expects us to believe everything will get back to normal for Owen after this when Nux's memories are back.
Realistically speaking, I'd imagine and not blame Owen for losing his fucking sanity even more, and avoiding intimacy and touching or being near Nux after this when his memory returns. He'd be too terrified. There's no coming back from this actually. This arc is useless, and it does more harm than being useless too. Gosh how I despise it.
This special episode was so fun and I was laughing at the ages and order of the brothers but then it started clicking.
What if this is the actual order or the Mugos in the main story, we just call Elder Mugo "Elder" because of his vibe and mental age, but in cases where there are multiple personalities in one body, the newest and most recent personality could be the oldest theoretically (they manifested a child personality first then an old person personality as the newest) so what if monster Mugo is actually the oldest personality, born out of the basest and most primal instinct of "Hunger" when, going by the bits and pieces of info we're given, he was stuck in a jar with other snakes/beings that he had to fight and consume to survive.
What if the reason we think 'Elder' Mugo is the elder because he seems to know more than jerk Mugo and monster Mugo, but maybe it's just that 'Elder' Mugo is a Mugo that the family curated to be able to bargain and ask for favours from, since he's the most reasonable. He might be the most recent of them, but he knows more because the family constantly brings him forth using sweets and incense and he has to witness all their sacrifices and filth and wishes, so he knows more about the current world and era than the other Mugos. That's why he's more in touch with modernity than the other 2.
Food for the brain.
I'll get so many dislikes for this but I've seen so much "rape" and "rapist's child" and "he was raped!!" Going around that I had to go reread the og manhwa just to make sure I remember correctly and yes, as I've remembered, it wasn't... Uhm.. exactly as brutal as people make it.
Was Hyesung out of his mind? Yes, he was on his heat. Should Dojin have fought him harder and rejected him with more resolve? Yes. However, it's not like Dojin pinned him down against his will. I know consent at this time was very dubious, near lacking, due to the pheromones, but come on. Dojin wasn't actually taking advantage of him with malicious intent. He tried stopping him (not the first time to try stopping him when he's in heat) and even when he caved in he immediately wore a condom to prevent causing him harm, they were just unlucky. Even the reactions between them afterwards wasn't that of a rape incident. Hyesung was throwing a tantrum as usual but mostly out of embarrassment that he jumped Dojin in the middle of the night.
I'm also gonna say this even tho I'll be called slurs but this is a fantasy setting, guys, the pheromones and heat cycles and shit probably affect them more than we can fathom because we base attraction, desire, and the willpower to push off someone coming on to us on human references and feelings and experiences. I'm not saying Hyesung's strong heat pheromones are an excuse for Dojin to lose control of his resolve to push him away and instead take advantage of him, but I'm saying it played a factor. I'll never understand people making Dojin out to be a demon here when he's just made mistakes that he himself admitted and atoned for like any normal person. It's not like being jumped constantly when you're trying to sleep and having your dick sucked when you didn't ask for it isn't harassment too. What are you gonna say guys? Ooooh Hyesung was in heat he couldn't help it? Oh Hyesung was out of it he couldn't hear his protests? OH DOJIN LOWKEY WANTED IT THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T PUSH HIM OFF WITH ENOUGH FORCE?
you know how that will sound?
So just say the pregnancy was a mistake none of them wanted due to a night both had when they were not thinking straight, acknowledge Dojin never actually intended to take advantage of him or rape him and was also subjected to his advanced, pheromones, and begging for a child and sex, and move on. We have other shit to actually hold them all accountable for and you're holding on to the one incident and making it seem like Dojin was a demon. The word "Rape" is used so lightly these days.
If someone had told me back in early chapters we get to see dumb himbo energy from Chase over Josh I would've called them crazy, yet here we are
I promised myself I wouldn't engage in public warzones like this since I don't wanna get spit on but why, especially in this manhwa, is everyone so bothered by Jaekyung's backstory? Like believe me I hated the early chapters and the abuse as much as the next person I even made comments about it, but I've seen this so much in so many medias, the hate and absolute robbing of the capacity of a human to change. It's like the concept of atonement, growth, and change isn't something people are willing to grant to someone who did wrong things and made mistakes (because of trauma, mind you. Not that I think it's a valid excuse to be a horrible person and do horrible things, but at least it provides a point of understanding why the person's brain got fucked up like that. Better than being a dick just because.) like God accepts atonement and grants forgiveness but we humans can't. I know some things are unforgivable and you cannot come back from, but geez.
Anyway it's not like I think Dan should just easily forgive Jaekyung or whatever, but the name of this manhwa is literally Jinx, and it's revolving around his JINX, so it makes sense that you'd get to learn about his background and why this jinx happened. Why is everyone so pressed I think the author did a great job at linking all his past trauma to each aspect of his jinx routine, like he's compensating for every insecurity that's been etched into his self. I find that things are a lot clearer now and I can finally understand him better and understand what he does, and where he comes from, and while he still needs to face the consequences of his actions and truly atone and work for forgiveness, it's good that he can reach a point where he realizes his wrong ways and that he can wish and want for something that's not related to his desperate need for overcompensation.
That's the whole point of being human: you grow. You can't rob someone of this, and if you think you personally can never forgive or accept someone atoning and developing into a better version of themselves because the damage they did in your opinion is unsalvageable then it's fine you can stop reading about that character. As long as the change is natural, and the character is actually facing hardships for his choices and reaches a low point and starts rethinking his life choices and isn't just some halfbaked way for the author to get the couple together I think it's fine.
I do hope the author continues down that path and doesn't just half-ass it tbh, but if it's done well I'd truly love to see Jaekyung heal. I'd also love to see Dan learn to live happily, and be appreciated and loved the way he deserves. I don't care whether they end up together, I just hope both find their peace.
Love how everyone is too afraid of being a healthy empathetic person while understanding that empathy ≠ excusing so they have to said "it's not that sad" or "i feel bad for him BUT-" yea guys no buts you don't need to always stress the point that this doesn't justify any shitty thing he does don't worry you can empathize and feel bad for a child and teenager being abused and abandoned without being labeled idk a rape apologist.
The fact people actually get called that just for understanding a FICTIONAL character went through trauma is baffling and speaks volumes of how some people really shouldn't consume complex media.
Anyway I feel bad for what he went through that was indeed a lot for a kid his age to handle and impossible come out of mentally unscathed. His parents are evil.
I was wondering how the manhwa will handle things going forward from the novel, since in the novel it doesn't shy from crudeness, pervertedness, gore, and violence, and I think this chapter confirmed for me that they'd try to keep it as PG as they can lmao idk if they'll do the smut either.
In the novel, Abel was stripped naked in this scene before being taken outside the tent. He remained naked all along. Idk if they'll add that later, esp bec next scene is a prelude to rape...
Oh i just realized the picture ahjussi had on the app they met through was with no facial hair. Even Yuan imagined him with no facial hair based on it.
Also the pic was put years ago. Interesting. Do we get to see a version of him clean-shaven? (Mind you i absolutely love his facial hair tbh)