Okay I'm confused about something after reading the novel then coming back to reread earlier chapters here of the manhwa
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Why is Albert the one engaged to Daphne? Wasn't it James? The Kingsley family did not have ties with Laurel family, it was the Cheslow, right? That's why im confused and I feel like this will ruin so many things because so many scenes will not make sense if Bella is with Albert. I don't understand why the manhwa decided to do that
Same question! There was a guy named James Cheslow, and then suddenly in the manhwa it's Albert
OMG ME TOO i was wondering the same! but im sure the flow wouldn't change much i guess
It really would though once the angelhic plotline comes into place and the Bella x Cedric plot. If who she's with is Albert, a lot of scenes (the boat party, buying angelhic, trying to leave James, cedric fooling Bella, and even James leaving Daphne and the repercussions that had on him to anger the Laurel family) they all make no sense if it's Albert and not someone of a lower family and no ties to the Duke. That was such an odd choice in the manhwa tbh
aah now that you mentioned it, it truly doesn't make sense... i simply thought albert would just have an extra "job" other than a drug dealer lol, but i guess its not that simple considering his standings
I think Cedric's uncle will get a different role in the manhwa — maybe he will be the one that start to commercialize the Angelique?
BTW many things are different: Cedric's father dead (if he is dead in the battlefield, the Clarissa's Monastery help was less personal for Cedric), Tez already Bella's lover (when she uses him to hurt Harriet), the orphans already in the convents, Harriet without skin struggles (i want to understand how the manhwa will manage all the soap Clarissa stuff).
Honestly I don't like the manhwa. The characters are best-written in the novel. Cedric is not only a yandere cold man with red eyes: he is kind and he chuckles often thanks to Harriet (with this character design i cannot imagine Cedric laugh, chuckle or smirk).
Harriet is not only a serious woman: she is stubborn, proud, clever, smart: her every move is calculated and above all she prefers to die before to ask for help (in the manhwa she write Trisha without thinking twice, begging to be her guardian).
In the novel, the scene where Cedric offered his help but she refused it, gets totally different vibes. She was trying to suppress her anger, full of desire to get her revenge: she clenched her fists when the talk to him... she laughed in front of him, because he was concerned she could badmouthing him. She showed him all her pride and fierce. And her reaction left Cedric with a stiff face. In the manhwa she was simply serious, calm and in her thoughts she also justified Cedric's actions during the party... and Cedric? He didn't reveal a single thoughts and he seemed to threat her, instead of warning her.
Sooo given the randomly sprinkled hints, and according to Chaejun's memories and uncle's words, I guess Seung Hyeon has something to do with Chaejun's past and possibly the incident that caused him insomnia.
If you remember around chapter 30 something maybe he had told Chaejun about his brother and how overprotective he is, and that his worst was around middle school (the time he met young chaejun) and that he'd control the circle of people around him and push away anyone he found unnecessary or unworthy or just bothered him and didn't want him near Seung Hyeon. Given how uncle immediately recognized young Seung Hyeon, and how he had guesses as to who locked Chaejun up as a kid, I am GUESSING it's Seung Hyeon's older brother. He probably did that to scare away Chaejun and have him not approach Seung Hyeon again. Going by the memories Chejun had around chapter 39ish of hitting Seung Hyeon as a child it could be what happened after he got locked up and he took it out of the person he thought made his hyung do this to him, or it could be a fight before the incident which led Seung Hyeon's brother to decide to 'punish' Chaejun by scaring him off a little.
I don't think the brother intended for it to cause this level of harm, but that's a dick move nonetheless.
It could be Seung Hyeon himself who unintentionally locked Chaejun up, but this would make the whole plot point of his brother being overprotective and neurotic and pishing everyone away kinds off topic and unrelated. Oh well
woow we have similar brain cells
Here's something else I think there was scene where mantions hide-and-sick play.. maybe they were playing and something happened or it could be that they played before the trauma accident…
but I'm more inclined to the theory that mc's brother did it. ( still don't want it to be true)
I also think that he forgot all of this because of a head injury that happened some time later. (He had a scar on his head)
I didn't remember the hide and seek bit, but going with this it can also be 3 situations
1) Seung Hyeon and Chaejun played hide and seek, Seung Hyeon either forgot Chaejun or got side tracked, Chaejun was somehow locked in, it traumatized him, and he hit Seung Hyeon after in retaliation which led to their separation. The accident is unrelated.
2) The accident is just Seung Hyeon's brother witnessing the scene of him being hit by Chaejun and perhaps in attempts to diffuse the situation he unintentionally hit him. Or it could be just Seung Hyeon himself who did it in self defense since he knew Taekwondo, and after this incident his brother became overprotective.
3)The brother lured Chaejun in with the promise of a hide and seek play and then locked him in. Later on Chaejun takes it out on Seung Hyeon. The head injury could be unrelated or could be the same as I mentioned in 2
Honestly I'm sort of starting to think the brother might not have had a strong hand in this because it feels too elaborate to do this to a young child, it's weird and vindicative, and would mean a lot about him as a person which will prevent the possibility of a relationship between the brother and uncle, and even if author executed it, it'll still make people iffy about it. I'm guessing maybe Seung Hyeon and his Taekwondo play a role, he did manage to even hurt the uncle when startled so...
I genuinely think the actual forced emotions that were going on was between blondie and mc. I'm sorry I don't remember any names as of now except seojoon cause the comments are full of it.
But yeah as I was saying, Blondie was so hung up on his childhood crush and friend he convinced himself this was first and true love. He never actually met mc again or knew him well, he was just riding that obsession to find him then that high of finding him that it was quite easy to let it go once he realized it's not mutual. It's not that he got over mc and immediately considered Seojoon, it's that mc was never a real option to begin with and his feelings for him weren't romantic.
Also I don't really this it's right to fault and blame Blondie for Seojoon's wasted potential because he never forced him into being his secretary or limiting himself. Blondie saw the facets of Seojoon's personality that Seojoon WANTED him to see, and blondie took it at face value. Maybe he should've delved deeper, yes, but honestly it's a matter of character imo. Some people really aren't very adept and empathetic enough with social interactions that they can read between the lines or be very intuitive about hidden or unsaid words. Taking things the people you care for and trust say at face value is never a crime and never means you care less. "Why would Seojoon never shae his interests or real likes and dislikes with me? We're quite close! We're best friends! I share everything with him all the time" is what he'd think, and I can't fault him for it.
I find it quite unfair to blame blondie for everything that's happening really, he's just a bit dense and airheaded but he's not forcing anything. He does seem like a clingy person who just doesn't want to let Seojoon go, but I personally truly feel like their relationship was never pure friendship to begin with. It just got mixed up with blondie's obsession with finding mc and seojoon's unwavering belief that blondie doesn't feel the same that he consistently put boundaries between them and never revealed his true self most if the time that ended up with a weird situationship happening without any advancement forward.
I do feel bad for seojoon. It sucks.
I just truly also feel bad for blondie and find it also unfair to suddenly realize the person you've known most of your life and thought were the closest to hid not only his feelings from you but also something as simple as his favorite drink. That the whole "I know him well if not best" is a lie. The friendship was a lie. All the times he thought he was close to him was a lie.
Ofc I don't believe it was all a lie, but imagine being in his position. Then also be told let Seojoon go. Which is fair for seojoon, he shouldn't remain in a relationship that brings him heartache, but when taking in blondie's side of things it really also seems quite unfair.
I wonder how the author is gonna take this further tbh.
You said it so well, all your points are on point, esp ur first point on blondie’s crush on the first mc , also yeah it makes sense that what they had isnt rlly a pure close friendship since like u said, seojoon kept a certain distance and blondie is just a simple person which i personally relate to
Side note completely unrelated to ur comment lol, i rlly like this plot development where blondie tries being the secretary i rlly rlly like this plot point, its like he’s literally putting himself in seojoon’s shoes and it shows that he’s trying to understand him better
I honestly love what the author is doing here it just feels realistic to me and honestly well-written, i hope it will continue this way
Also im pretty sure blondie felt absolutely bad at the last scene, i just feel bad for the both of them honestly like neither are at fault and they’re both in a somewhat complicated situation at least emotionally so i rlly hope they work it out, i personally dont rlly care if they end up as a couple which they obviously will i think , but i just kinda want them to actually be mutually close to each other for once
I really want them both to find peace. Yess the last scene really hurt because he was so happy and proud of himself for getting Seojoon the drink he likes, the drink he thought he likes because that's what Seojoon made him believe, only to get hit in the face with the knowledge it's not actually his favorite. It's not even a simple issue of oh? :(( I was wrong :((( I didn't know him as much as I thought I did :(((
No! It's downright earth shattering to suddenly learn the person you thought you know, who also gave you the impression you're the closest person to them, was in fact just a mask.
I also loved the secretary route! I am very invested in what's going on tbh
Then there's me who's so fixated on how well the anatomy details are drawn his cock and hole and honestly? Slay
LITERALLY that closeup was a work of art I was shook
I’m always impressed with how well they do with the men genitalia. However they don’t give the ladies the same treatment. It’s sad.
I'm trying to remember cause I think I saw a detailed one of a female before and goddamn. If I ever find it again or anything similar I'll be replying here again
Yes please! I’ll keep checking in case you remember
I will need to come back to this and reread to get the full effect because i was mainly distracted at the fact the artist for Bihwan is missing in this chapter and Minchan's artist also drew Bihwan and that's why he looks different and unsettling all of a sudden to my eyes
I did not know! What happened?
Idk either! I just saw first panel of bihwan and felt odd like smth looks odd about him then when they did a closeup of his eyes I realized yea ok that's not bihwan's og artstyle where's his artist!! (I knew early on that two artists/authors worked on this manhwa)
I hope it's just a temporary thing because I really loved how both styles merged together before
I can't disagree more with the people saying Ariadne is stupid and acting like so with how things are advancing right now. Ariadne is anything but stupid. She's single handedly played the politics game into her favor multiple times. She survived her step mother's abuse and worked around it, she isolated her step siblings and revealed their evils, she manipulated her father into giving her what she wants while making him think he's doing it for his own good. She gathered her aids, she prepared for the plague and made herself one of the richest in the kingdom through it, even had the king seeking her for her wits and money. She played the king, had Cesare on a leash, and managed to keep him and Aflonso alive with the king's rocky temperament.
At the end of the day, she's just a girl (meme aside). She was verbally, emotionally, and physically abused her whole previous life, she has a lot of trauma and trust issues, and most of her actions in this life aren't smartness because she's just smart and ambitious, it's all defense mechanism and survival instincts. Its purely fueled by the fear of ending up in the same place as her previous life. Alfonso was the only new lovely thing in this life for her, and the only weakness she now has. And it's fleeting. They didn't even spend so much time together for their love and trust to be solidified and steady to bear the loss of communication without anxiety and fear.
I think the problem here is the way this manhwa is written (idk if the style remains in the novel) and how the emotions and thoughts are presented. Chapter 173 has the potential to be THE chapter for me with Ariadne's mental breakdown, giving in to Cesare not because she likes him but more of losing hope in Alfonso, and not Alfonso as a person but more of what he represented in her life. Hope. Something new. A life without the haunting trauma. Innocence. Something she chose. Someone who loved her at her worst.
She's giving in bodily, like she'll start being a puppet going with the flow, hoping maybe Cesare is sincere this time and she won't be dealt that much pain.
Of course i assume this is a temporary breakdown, but you can't fault her for having it when she has no clue why Alfonso isn't even responding to her, where he is, if he still loves her, and being pressured by everyone about Cesare and how she should live. She's confused and that's normal. Imagine being in her place...
I really wish the manhwa's story telling is more introspective and heavily themed aesthetic because that would've fitted the story more.
Also I am getting a bit frustrated at the lack of Alfonso being shown when he's supposed to be the main lead, but I suppose I understand the artistic sense behind it. It's meant to blind us to him and his whereabouts, cause us anxiety, and shackle us to Ari's pov. He's literally haunting the narrative this way.
Ah well, can't wait for him to be back because shit will start hitting the fan from that moment forward.
I love how Shuraka's accessories' main gems are red, like Tei's eyes.
Honestly, I don't dislike either of them for this. I do think it's ridiculous to be faulting blondie when literally how was he supposed to know seojoon had a crush on him? He's been his friend for 12 years, he had a crush on his childhood friend, and Seojoon was even helping him out with that. He didn't think of him romantically consciously because
1) he was convinced he had a crush on his childhood friend (and our mc)
2) he was under the impression seojoon thinks of him as a friend
3) seojoon is helping him in his romantic endeavors
4) there has been no hints towards anything different in their relationship
Some people (like me) have their minds literally and consciously block out such possibilities when they are deemed unwanted. You're incapable of going to the "what if" realm because nth hinted towards it and if so there's no reason to entertain the idea at all. The thought simply never comes, unless promoted.
So faulting blondie for this is ridiculous when the reason blondie never tried to process his attachment to Seojoon beyond friendship is the same reason why Seojoon never confessed or hinted: both wanted to maintain this close friendship because it fills their heart. Had Seojoon hinted early on and at the start, this could've been done with (either with rejection or acceptance) but choosing to hide it and act neutral and even help him in his romantic life then blame him for never taking that initial step and closing the gap? Diabolical. What has he been doing for that step anyway except pining in silence?
Also why is everyone so hard on blondie and how he needs more time? Yes he needs more than 12 years cause those 12 years were 12 years of friendship without any hint of anything more from Seojoon either and, as I said, if his mind deems it a fruitless useless thought he'll just never cross that territory even with a thought. Breaching it would mean inviting more unwanted and unsolicited thoughts that could threaten their friendship. Those 2 months are 2 months thinking from a different perspective and finally allowing himself to process the attachment he has for him without the desperation of being unable to reach or find him. It sounds reasonable and that's honestly what he's owed for suddenly being given an ultimatum without any prior hints or notices then ghosted after 12 years of presumed friendship.
On the other hand I understand Seojoon's pain and how the extra time is cruel from his pov, and how he might feel hurt with a touch of entitlement to his own emotions and what their relationship means based on his own hurt feelings. He's scarred, yes, and very hurt, so I get why he'd lash out like that and say 12 years and you never once closed that gap, but i hope he realizes that for 12 years he never closed it either. Having feelings for a secret crush on someone doesn't give you the right to start testing them in an imaginary trial that they have no idea about.
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Look, I get where you're coming from, and as annoying as I find the blond guy, I don't think he should be shunned either for asking for some time, however. I think it's selfish to want to cling to a relationship with someone who's unwilling to continue that relationship and refusing to let them move on, which is what's happening here. I do think Seojoon should have given the blond some grace and time to process things and his feelings, but he's not even asking for a relationship, he knows the blond doesn't harbor the same feelings he does, so he confessed, and moved on. The blond is the one who suggested starting a relationship halfheartedly so he doesn't have to let go, while Seojoon just exited a relationship he's no longer happy with, perhaps not in the best way he could have chosen to, buy he's also flawed, he feels like he already did his job at helping the one he loves reach the natural conclusion of his own first love, so he can now make a clean cut. I also view his line of blondie not having closed the gap for 12 years more of a "you didn't fall in love with me or had any interest in me romantically in 12 years, you're not going to develop those feelings for me in two months".
And yeah, the blond is kind of dense, he obviously likes Seojoon to some extent and hasn't realized it and that's why he's so adamant on bringing him back (and further more, he really valued Seojoon's friendship and companionship), but Seojoon doesn't know that. To him, blondie is throwing a temper tantrum over him choosing to leave because Seojoon's presence at his side had been a comfort for blondie throughout his career and now he's gone. In earlier chapters we see blondie admit he doesn't know Seojoon as well as he thought he did, because Seojoon did so much to accommodate him and knew his every quirk and he felt so comfortable in that dynamic that he didn't bother to get to know Seojoon better.
So, to be honest, I feel like both are having valid crashing outs haha. I feel like I'm rambling, so in summary this comment was about how Seojoon didn't intend on giving him any ultimatums or demanding a relationship, he just wanted to get out of a situation where he wasn't happy, which I don't think is a sin either.
I agree with your opinion about the 2 months time he needed now. It kinda makes sense.
But i dont find the blonde annoying. I get his feeling for desperation because his best friend suddenly disappeared and Seojoon's sudden disappearance was also selfish of him. Seojoon should have just quit as secretary and still stayed as his friend. One that he can still contact and is not living together with him. Not completely cut him off.
But i do think that blondie should have let him move on. If within those 12yrs he didn’t fall for him naturally like how Seojoon did and after Seojoon left him for idk months?and he still doesn’t like him then I did he really doesn’t think of Seojoon like that. Falling for Seojoon now will feel forced. Its like "now u like cuz im gone?"
Seojoon wasn't testing him when he left blondie. I think he completely gave up. Because within those 12 years he realized that blondie will never look at him like that. He realized how pathetic he was and need to completely forget about him. I don't think he can move on if that guys is within his sight.
Actually, I 100% agree with that. Sorry I actually fell asleep multiple times while writing my comment so I failed to fully deliver my thoughts on Seojoon's pov, but you're right. The ultimatum was mainly how it looked from blondie's pov.
I think my main gripe is that the author chose to handle everything this was because it will cause misunderstandings and spite, considering how two months is a short time to "suddenly" (from seojoon's pov) fall for him, when in fact blondie probably has been in love with him all along. He was just so used to their existing dynamic and comfortable in it he didn't try to explore what his feelings are, and upon losing him he was too focused on finding him and his panic that he isn't able to process it and he even feels guilty now about maybe reaching the conclusion that he, in fact, does love him because he realizes it also can look like it's out of pity or a desperate attempt to keep him by going along with what he wants. All in all it's a shitty situation where you have to watch two people who truly love each other (just in their own ways, with their own understandings, but all boils down to the same love and affection) suffer thinking there never will be an "Us" between them and that's just sad.
It's understandable that Seojoon wants to leave, although dropping the bomb and leaving without any sort of contact whatsoever was cruel and does come across as an ultimatum, but staying in a relationship where it brings him constant heartache is... Yea. So idk how the author will handle this because no matter what blondie realizes in those two months, I'll be understanding of Seojoon thinking of it as pity even though we all know it's not. I hope the author actually solves this well...
You're right, but imo that's totally valid and I'd fight for it had I and everyone else seen and known blondie does in fact have feelings for him, he's just dense.
What I mean is, if blondie was actually throwing a temper tantrum and just wants to keep him around bec he wants him as a friend and we know he doesn't like him that way at all then yea Seojoon is 100% correct. It's just I see it as uhh wait
I see it as from seojoon's pov, purely without taking into account anything else but his pov, he's correct and valid. But when taking into account that
1) we know blondie feels the same
2) seojoon never hinted for those 12 years and blondie never processed and BOTH of them remained in their comfort zone (yes comfort zone for seojoon too because he was too afraid to hint or make a move so he decided to stay by his side at least)
3) did it never cross seojoon's mind that blondie might've felt similarly, hypothetically, and also was too afraid to make a move? That maaaybe when he saw him help him out with Hajin and others he thought oh maybe that's the extent of our relationship subconsciously? Not saying that is is exactly ehat happened but it's a possibility and Seojoon never entertained it and isn't giving blondie the grace of even considering it now, he's just seeing it all as pity offerings and a situation and relationship he needs to cut off which is honestly selfish despite it being a needed thing from his pov and probably for the best. I would've cheered him on had I not known blondie's pov of everything (ok maybe I would've still considered blondie's side cause yea.)
Tldr; Seojoon has a right to leave a toxic or hurtful relationship that brings him pain. There is nothing that should force him to stay. I just think that in this particular situation he's viewing himself as a victim without considering that he either victimized someone else or disregarded the fact that the other party may have been in the same position as him and revealing that now would make it sound like a temper tantrum.
Okay, not to say this is ooc or anything. It's not.
I just... I truly dislike this arc, so so much. My main reason for hating amnesia arcs is because the one forgetting is usually very hurtful and mean and ends up hurting the person they're with. What happens when their memory is back? When the one remembers everything and returns to normal, their partner is now left with a permanent scar of what happened and how they were treated.
If amnesia arcs happen early on before an established relationship (especially a very long and deep one) it's more understandable and tolerable, and even if not that early on if it's handled well it can be presented nicely and with a purpose, but whatever the fuck is happening here is just a mess. The whole point of this manhwa and Owen's journey is to get over his imminent and crippling fear of Nux dying because of all the cycles he went through with him, and to learn to live freely and be happy with Nux now, knowing how to give him his own freedom while still being by Owen's side. He even started to be less jealous than before. Everything was going smoothly only for the author to ruin it and push us 100 steps back or even way lower than the beginning with this arc because now all the confidence Owen had is gone, he has worse ptsd, he cannot live freely or peacefully knowing regardless of what they achieve now he can lose it all in a second if Nux changed, and he's now left with a permanent wider and worse scar of it all. Idk how the author expects us to believe everything will get back to normal for Owen after this when Nux's memories are back.
Realistically speaking, I'd imagine and not blame Owen for losing his fucking sanity even more, and avoiding intimacy and touching or being near Nux after this when his memory returns. He'd be too terrified. There's no coming back from this actually. This arc is useless, and it does more harm than being useless too. Gosh how I despise it.
I keep pondering on what young meant when he said there's a difference between them in chapter 18, but the way I see it is that the difference between both is essentially their biggest similarity: being human
If you look closely, both of them have their optimistic and pessimistic views. Despite Jiho's depression and loneliness, and how it affects him psychologically and emotionally, he's able to see meaning and beauty in everything. Everything in life, for him, has a meaning; an higher motive of existence. Things don't just "be", they're representations for bigger pictures or deeper meanings, and because of this mentality and his introspection, the burden of his loneliness and sadness burrows deeper into him and he can't help but feel it all.
On the other hand, Young simplifies everything in life. "It is what it is" mentality. Everything exists because everything exists, there isn't always a beautiful or a fundamental deeper meaning to everything that's going on. This was highlighted when he was talking about the orchestra. To Jiho, there was beauty in the arrangement, the ambience, and the setting. To Young, he cannot think or feel what this all means, he sees things from the other darker side or more nihilistic, which is there really isn't a higher meaning to those who're performing, to them, it's just another day at work. They don't care about all of this each time. And I think this is a beautiful way to reflect on both their characters.
It's so good and rare to see manhwas or even some media portray depression in someone so full of life and art and beauty and positive outlook, while the one who is in peace with life be so nihilistic, numb, pessimistic, and emotionally constipated at times.
Because Jiho feels too much, he aches too much. Because Young put a lid on his emotions, he turned a back to his aches, which manifested as his nihilism.
I feel like i lost my point but what I mean to say is, Young thinks they're different just because they're looking at things from different angles, but in the end they're both just looking for ways to cope with their lives. While one distracts himself with art and beauty, trying to give reason to everything that's happened to him, the other tries to convince himself things just happen, and that he couldn't have done anything about the things he faced.
This made my frontal lobe develop thank you
this lowkey made me tear up u got a beautiful way with words bro
you're the new shakespeare
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