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lmfao probably not

If you don’t see rape then you lack common sense.
You are forcing your pov.
You are the one who needs to seek professional help if you can’t handle the truth or other POV. You can’t go in real life like this.

https://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/14214000/

Take your own advice because you can’t be civil. You have to insult others for a pov. That would be another reason to seek professional help.

If you can’t be civil. It is a waste of time.
You can see rape but stop the insults because someone sees the truth and has a different POV.

There is no rape in this story. I will in a civil conversation. No arguments. No debates.
Explain why.

We can talk about this professionally and you can tell me your pov.
I will not see this story as rape as we see the truth.

However, the insults and attacks needs to stop. The harassment needs to stop.

No one is forcing you to change your pov. Stop forcing your pov on us.

Literally side eye.

See your pov or lack common sense.

There is no rape in this story. What is this about no sa? Why are you lying?

This story is SA and abuse.
I don’t think anyone said SA isn’t shown. I have said it over and over again. Tora has said it.

You can see rape. Stop forcing your pov on others. Stop lying.

https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/

“ Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. ”

Eminem, Coercion is not consent you shrek looking mf. Just say you're into rape stories and move on.

I read rape stories. This is not a rape story.

This is a Disney type story.

Here are stories with rape.

Hogu Hagyeongsu - rape
Kiraide Isasete - rape (maybe this one should be removed)
Caste haven - rape
Mob for Jack - rape
Maki-chan wa Kare to Sex Shitai - rape
falling alpha enigma the fourth bath - rape
harami bara - rape
abarenbo_honey - rape
Under grand hotel - rape

You have your opinion, I have my opinion. Stick to yours, I stick to mine. Don't attack and inject insults into people just because they don't agree with you.

Instead of being immature why don't you give your points on why it is rape?

No one lacks common sense but YOU for failing to point out facts and allow people to understand you. Thanks.

u literally just proved my point- u and many others lack common sense. So for me to make u understand my point better i'll turn it into a peel paragraph.

In 'Jinx', there is an excessive amount of SA and rape, predominantly shown at the very beginning of the manhwa. Firstly, we are introduced to Dan who is a SA survivor who is uncomfortable with the very concept of sex due to a traumatic experience when at work with a higher up whilst also the fact that he is of someone from a lower social class in Korea- he lives below the poverty line making him an extremely vulnerable individual that actually contributes to the severity of a rape case. In chapter 3, Jaekyung, who at this point is Dan's patient, asks Dan late at night to come to his house to prepare him for a match the next day- at this point Dan doesn't know what Jaekyung really means so he is met at a discomfort when Jaekyung begs for sex in exchange for money and at this point Dan was to scared to give in because he's uncomfortable having sex because obviously he hasn't recovered from SA yet even when he agrees, he's still not interested and tries to stall time but Jaekyung just happily does whatever he wants without consideration. This situation would be easily classified as rape as Jaekyung, someone of a higher social class is taking advantage of someone from that of a lower class than him even though it's clear that Dan does not want it at all but has to because of his situation but even then he shows behaviour of not wanting it and Jaekyung not caring about how Dan feels even though again he doesn't want to go through it but Jaekyung just forces himself on Dan and does whatever he wants and we clearly see that Dan is in pain and wants him to stop and literally telling him that. One thing many people don't really understand about rape is that it's not just someone forcing themselves on another person, it's simply as both parties not wanting it equally. For example, treating sex like an unwarranted transaction- it's literally stated in the website u linked me if actually read it properly; "Force can also be when one person coerces another with emotional or psychological force"- taking advantage of one's financial situation or using materialistic goods would be an example of this, rape is a deeper situation than u might think same as many others so please actually do ur research I beg, but till then I still gonna say people like u lack common sense.

Have a goodnight

read my response to tmsmyz, it's a long paragraph but u should it cause like I said u people lack common sense.

Rape is more than just forcing someone down but both parties not equally wanting sex, and the one party not being considerate of the other party's feelings when the party is not at all interested in having sex. this is literally shown in chapter 3&4 so just do ur research- until then i'm still gonna say u people lack common sense

Be respectful to others. Stop forcing your pov on others.
If you think it is rape stop degrading the other side. We can be civil. Seek professional help if you think harming others is entertaining.

It is not your pov or be lack common sense. You can’t be civil and have a conversation with us. You feel threatened your pov is challenging.

“ u literally just proved my point- u and many others lack common sense. So for me to make u understand my point better i'll turn it into a peel paragraph.”

I literally didn’t proved anything. And if it is your pov or lack common sense I am not reading anymore cyber bullying comments. You are added to my list and blocked.

Your opinion is irrelevant due to cyber bullying. There is no rape in this story. Rape is your pov. Have common sense and respect others. We could had been civil and has a conversation. But you harassed and insulted. You lost.

Read my comment first.

Hey, I'm coming. I'm gathering my points. Don't think I don't have a comeback. Just a minute. Thanks.

Sweetie, for your own good please just block them. You can say the sky is blue and they'll still argue about that. You wrote very valid points in this but you just can't communicate with a wall after all. <3

Do you think it is worth it?
TMSM considered them of the cyber bullies/ Trolls.
The use of Dan’s background information and social class was used.
The use of Dan’s traumatic attempt rape ignoring how Dan acted and not comparing Dan’s actions.
The use of Dan’s thoughts and feelings.
The use of higher/lower class.


.”Jaekyung begs for sex” begs?

“Jaekyung just happily does whatever he wants without consideration. “ doesn’t read carefully

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This situation would be easily classified as rape as Jaekyung,” opinion

I”t's clear that Dan does not want it at all”. Is it to Joo?

“Jaekyung not caring about how Dan feels”. Completely misses chapter 4 when Dan is crying. this

“Jaekyung just forces himself on Dan and does whatever he wants”. Can I this version of this story? This is biased.
“we clearly see that Dan is in pain and wants him to stop and literally telling him that.” Key word WE.

I am a rape crisis counselor. The one thing about rape that was added was unnecessary here to say to TMSM.

I see a person biased in opinion, using facts that is irrelevant to make a point, taking the story out of context, making Jaekyung worst than he is, and degrading others who don’t see this as rape.

“if actually read it properly;” This only fit one scene. Jaekyung never “took advantage of one's financial situation or using materialistic goods.”

This is a deeper story than they think and if They actually do research and read the story they would understand it is not rape. By using Dan’s thoughts and background with other irrelevant facts that is not known to Jaekyung or if you were in the room then taken it out of context. They know they have no argument. That was a biased opinion piece.

Consented can be give and take away. It can be given and taken away not once but multiple times.


“it hurts Stop don’t …..” and at that moment makes it rape! I thought it was rape on my first reading than I read chapter 4
In chapter 4, Joo STOPS because he is CONCERNED.
“Are you crying over that? I barely put it in. “
“No, that’s not why, you just startled me”
Dan could had said he wanted to stop. He could had said I don’t want to. He did not. To Joo or anyone that would be a green light. Joo could had asked but he is toxic.
Dan says “no I can do it.” right after. He consented again.

He says “no” again. He stopped consented. Joo stopped if you pay attention.
Joo started without asking this is when we learn he thinks he is with an experience man and not an inexperienced virgin (but inexperienced virgin is details from thought bubbles). Joo is clueless because most men would had know at that point.
Joo starts again. Dan will ask him to go a little gentler.
Dan consented again.
FYI: I am straight man who was asked to analyze this by a friend. I am a rape crisis counselor. This story is toxic. I have no opinion about it. Just before you made weird arguments to justify your pov.

Just facts.

I'm going to ignore your unsightly comment in the first paragraph. That was rather unnecessary and thoughtless.

Anyway, my points;

I completely get what you're saying, hundred percent understand. I understand that consent can never be when it is coerced. Very true. I understand was rape is but it is NOT in this story. How?

You are forgetting that Dan LIED that he was experienced. That is also a loss on his part. In chapter 2, jk lured Dan to come to his home which was wrong and I admit, I'm not defending the guy. Dan found out that jk was gay for sleeping with men and when the whore insulted jk, jk smashed the guy’s head because he doesn't play with his jinx and the championship. And then jk led Dan to his room and analyses Dan. I'm sure in his mind and his expression at that moment, he thought dan was attractive. When Dan starts with the physical therapy, Jk explains to Dan about his jinx and Dan found that embarrassing but he didn't judge the guy. Until jk admits that he wants SEX with Dan. That's when Dan freaks out entirely. Dan refuses saying he couldn't do such that he was here for only the therapy then jk gets blunt with the whole situation and it triggers Dan to rethink over jk’s offer. Jk was calm, his intention wasn't to threaten him and i confirmed it from here when he says,

“I guess you don't need that 5,000 grand then.” Jk goes to grab his phone to call one of his other whores he can fuck to replace Dan. Dan then rethinks and finally decides to accept the offer because money was all he needed.

Mind you, JK did NOT know about the financial situation Dan was in. This point proves Dan consented the first time without any form of THREAT or COERCION.

Note: an agreement is an agreement, backing out is annoying especially when you and your partner had already concluded.

-chapter 3, By the time Dan agrees, jk asks Dan if he has experience, he didn't have to lie but he chose to, why? Because it was embarrassing to admit that he was a virgin at such age? No. He said it not with that intention, but just to lie( read it carefully) And Jk says,

“Since you're experienced, I guess I don't need to go EASY on you then”

That's when the roughness starts and Dan says “One second!” and jk DID stop(this also proves that he isn't inhuman and does cares about dan’s feelings-also proves he's not a rapist). Dan then says he needs to wash off the oil from him or something(cant remember). In the showers, Dan rethinks and starts to have second thoughts-after he had agreed? He knew jk would have found that quite annoying and the fact that he had consented first was also a dead one on his part. Jk then forces Dan out of the bathroom because he was in the bath for over an hour and it was quite late for jk to be having sex presuming he had to sleep well and be lively for the match. Dan knew this, HE is NOT a child.

Dan sees jk’s massive size and starts freaking out and simply says “I can't do it” and in his thoughts he also said “if he puts that thing inside me, I might die” which is understandable. Jk gets annoyed because they had come this far and says out of annoyance, “you think this is funny? You think I'm some sort of joke? If you waste my time like that last guy did don't expect to be sent home safe and sound” Jk’s intention was never to threaten him. He simply needed a fuck and Dan was being weird and unserious about it when he had agreed. Jk found that extremely annoying because he doesn't play with his jinx and dan was simply wasting his time especially when he had said that he was experienced.

Dan feels threatened but you can't say “Jk threatened and forced Dan” look at the expressions of them carefully in that chapter and then analyse the dialogues. Dan then says in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed. I can do this. It's the money afterall” He consented a second time and says “ but if you just put it in like that I think it's going to tear” and jk considers this, sighs and tells him “you can get yourself ready then” another point that proves he isn't a rapist.

He even adds “ This is your last chance, no more Mr nice guy after this” He specifies that it was Dan’s last chance and he even decides to add again, “If even this is too much for you, then just GET THE FUCK OUT.”

Lmao.

That is another point that proves that he notified and made Dan aware of it, he gacmve dan an opportunity to leave that specific moment but no, Dan still chose to stay because of the MONEY. Thank you, thank you very much.

When dan finally consents, jk adds, “You tell me to put it in and then clench up so tight I can't even do it.” Another point that proves he isn't a rapist. Dan lied that he was experienced and jk was unaware of the lie.

He even adds, “You think this is funny, don't say one thing and then do another.” My God how do you people not see this?

Jk then pushes in completely which leaves dan shaken, jk notices how dan was shaking and turns the guy to see he was crying and then says, “What the...are you crying? Over that? I barely even put it in.” All his sex partners must have been experienced, so he clearly assumed that Dan would also take it well.

Dan himself then says, “N-no, that's not...why...y-you just...startled me.” That was what dan said and jk says “Good grief” Another point that he is in fact considerate and doesn't does what he wants. He even adds with a neutral expression, “Youre not gonna start whining again, are you?” he said this not in a way to mock him but to be sure that he was okay.

And then dan says, “ n-no I can do this” and jk does his rough behaviour because Dan was sulking and it was making Jk annoyed and anxious, jk then drags Dan by the hair and says, “then at least breath properly” another point that he cares for the dude and has human sympathy. But he was still oblivious to the way Dan was trying to endure. He didn't know.

Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. An action can look like rape and the next changes it completely. It might look like it but their dialogues, expressions and reactions changes it entirely.

I hope we can finally understand each other. And know that, assuming Dan did not lie that he was experienced, we all know things could have turned out differently because I mean why did jk ask Dan in the first place if he was experienced? He wanted to know if he could treat him like one of his whores and dan gave that consent so he has face it and take it because he approved of it just because of the money.

Jk did not coerce Dan, look at it from his part and understand both of their povs. The reason why you all are seeing jk as a monster is because most of it is in Dan’s pov.

Jk has helped dan in many ways, paid all his debts, accompanies and even has a gist with his grandma thereby making a good talk with her, he saves Dan from those Loan sharks( the real rapists), he allows dan to live in his house, he feeds and let's him have all he wants and all he asked for and needed was sex, NOT RAPE.

Anyone who isn't able to understand this points clearly has a disability in reading and understanding a context.

Thanks, please give your points to oppose, thanks for your patience.

Maybe. I hope so

I really hope you read everything through, I just want to understand you. I swear it. I'm not a rape apologist, no one is here and any one who is should seek help immediately. No one is defending jk, jk is just an asshole NOT a rapist.

Please let's understand each other professionally thanks.

I have not read the new comments. I forgot to add

Rape is not sex. Joo wants sex. If you think rape is sex. Seek professional help now.

There are a few rape apologists. The ones deny Rose is a rape survivor.

The ones that deny her being one- do need to seek help.

Who is defending JK? They claim that but I have not seen anyone defend him.

Ohh I can identify them. Such terrible people.

Also be aware that Dan doesn't even VOICE his thoughts leaving jk oblivious.

Thank you! And good day!

"Dan doesn't voice his thoughts

You read rape stories
Wtf

Just because she reads rape stories doesn't mean she acknowledges it or sees it as okay.

if you read carefully, they continue to state that the people don't have commkn sense for NOT seeing the sa/rape.

you need to read it.


Thank you! And good day!

If you read carefully, he understood. That makes me doubt your abilities.
Look at his first sentence: “see your pov (rape/SA) or lack common sense”. We have NEVER said anything about it is not SA. It is SA.

You need to read carefully.
On your other comments I can’t respond too. Your points don’t make them wrong. Your points show you need to read the read the dialogue and scenes better. Did he forget or is it you. Your points don’t make you right. Your pov don’t make you right.
Saying we lack common sense for not seeing rape don’t make you right. Saying see rape or lack common sense doesn’t make you right.

This whole war is just people who lack common sense trying to terribly convince people that it's rape when it really is not:

"beg?"- yes he did beg because Dan was. clear that he didn't want it but Joo insisted in exchange of money.

"doesn’t read carefully"- if u read carefully and didn't lack comprehension skills, u would know that Joo is very aggressive and Dan shows clearly that he despises it.

"opinion"- Literally the law classifies that as rape

"Is it to Joo? "- No it's to the reader to demonstrate how inconsiderate Joo was to Dan. He didn't care nor even realise that he was hurting Dan more so because he took advantage of him- which is rape

"Completely misses chapter 4 when Dan is crying. "- Yh Dan cries and is in peak distress and all Joo does is ask him, "are u crying?" with distaste look on his face and even though Dan just brushes it of, we as readers are meant to understand that Dan is lying to himself for the sake of his safety in that moment, contributing to Joo hurting Dan as he somehow doesn't realise but it's clear and instead continuing and even threatening him.

"This is biased"- no ur just a dumbass end of

"Key word WE."- Exactly, WE know that Dan is in pain and wants it to and it's extremely clear however Joo doesn't realise because he doesn't care how Dan feels but instead just want to take advantage of him.

"I am a rape crisis counselor."- Ok that don't tell me
shit because a social worker and the LAW would disagree with ur view.

"This only fit one scene."- No it's multiple but even if it was one scene, that confirms that rape is in the manhwa and Joo is a terrible human being.

"Jaekyung never “took advantage of one's financial situation or using materialistic goods.”"- he did because he's rich or of a higher social class who uses money to get sex out of average people/everyday person simply due to that money is essential, it's need to afford basic essentials for everyone but because of this the value of money can heighten due to one's situation, for example, Dan.

If u actually did ur research as an apparent Rape crisis councillor, u would know rape comes in many forms, for example, Dan's first experience with Joe.

Which is why I say u people lack common sense and are complete dumbasses with ur shitty argument but i'll give u credit for trying.

Have a goodnight

If people like that can become rape crisis councillors then I can become a mathematician.

Guys that person is not real, ain't no way it isn't a troll or a social study in the making lmao
I refuse to believe someone as deluded as that exist and knows how to use the internet

Cool story, bro. Opinions. Misusing words. Shows lacking comprehension skills. Law wouldn’t be: they would throw it out before it got to court. You should you don’t care about the story or gave a carefully honest read. It is biased. With false assumptions to back your opinion.
You are talking about yourself. You are forcing your pov with the financial situation. Pathetic. You are just trying to degrade me because I don’t share your fee-fees.

If you have to lie about the story or force a pov. You lost. If you have to attack me and insult me. You lost.

If you want to have a constructive debate with someone, the last thing you want to do is to insult them or resort to name calling because that usually makes your opponent go into attack or defensive mode and from that point on, anything you say is considered invalid in their mind. If you want to convince someone you’re right, calling them an rape apologist or saying their opinion is something the should seek professional help on isn’t the way to do it.

These people resort to name-calling and attacks because they lost, and they know it. They have no more logical arguments and are now just hoping that name calling and attacks will get them favourable opinions from their party. Because they are full of ego, childish, impulsive, and self centered. People have become outrageously defensive and aggressive in our culture.

On some level they know they have lost and are upset about it. They know they can’t win the debate with logic. When people have no rational arguments, they resort to ad hominem attacks.
people who resort to emotional attacks throw the other person or persons off balance. If the other person fights back emotionally, the original person quickly uses that to say they can't discuss it anymore because ther other person has gotten emotional. Using emotions is a coward's manipulative move.

Then they lost at being able to control themselves or take criticism. They got upset and returned those insults thinking it would have the same results but failed. Monkey see, monkey do. They failed to see the results were not the same. They lost as soon as they misused rape apologist.
Thanks for sharing your lost. Have a good day
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It MUST be a troll. I also refuse to believe people with this type of mindset actually exist.

They talk about wanting to be civil, but when people DO converse, they still call you delusional, say you're a troll, a coward amongst other things, say you're attacking them, make themself out to be the victim, and always say we're 'forcing our opinion on them' when really, they are.
And I STILL haven't seen good reasons to prove that there isn't multiple accounts of SA and rape in this story.

They keep saying "we lost" when the only thing we lost was our time arguing and braincells dealing with them.
Besides, this ain't a ball game bro? There is no win or lose, it's a fking petty online argument. Imagine being so insecure you have to say you 'won' an online argument to feel good. Besides, if they thought we were always trolls...why'd they go out of their way to respond? lmao

OH im sure that mingwa had so much planned for the story. But it IS rape. How much more does it need to be spelled out for you? What would YOU consider to be rape, if not half the story we have so far.

I feel the same!

Lol