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He paid the wrong people to threaten him which was ao fuckin stupid and idiotic and is malevolent but he wasn't intending to have them murdered so savagely that's why he had the whole guilt aspect

Did you seriously watch it? This story doesn't relate or can be compared to that movie. Did you read the novel? Have you ever read some of the comments with spoilers explaining why Kloff is the only monster here?


If not, try to read them first.

firstly, he shouldn't have paid anyone. he should have spoken to Raphael or Kloff about his feelings and let them decide. secondly, why threaten Raphael? they were married and expecting a baby, Raphael would never have agreed to leave. Which is why got a group of thugs to go and make him leave, one way or the other. Killing Raphael was the only way to get him and the baby out of the picture and Aeroc knew that which is why he hired that group of thugs to do what he couldn't. He wanted a way to wash his hands of their murder and everyone in comments has bought into that. If it was your partner pregnant with your child that got raped and murdered would you care if the person who hired the killers felt bad afterwards? Would you believe that its npt their fault? Would you forgive them? Personally, I would hate them forever. I find it perplexing that people in the comments are upset that Kloff refuses to feel empathy for Aeroc. Why would he? Would you feel empathy?

I am talking about the comics only, whatever happened in the novel is irrelevant. If something different happened then its a different story and I am not talking about that one. And the themes of the movie match the this comic very well. They are both about a character unwilling to confess their feelings to their love interest and tries to force them into a relationship, though they go about it in slightly differen ways. Bear pays for a magical wish to force affection and Aeroc pays for a hitsquad to remove competition. Either way neither of them consider the wants and needs of their partner, both actions results in two people dying unnecessary deaths and both stories portray the mc being tortured to death by their love interests.

I do agree that what Areoc did cannot be forgiven but what kloff did was far worse than Areoc
He treated his own children as tools to torture Areoc and the children had to suffer from his own sin, he robbed himself and his own children from their mother.
On the surface it makes sense because it was done to Raphael. at least his child died without knowing how their father was a monster to the other children he even went mad and crippled one of them!

See the problem is not that Aeroc was a dick, because he was and he should have been punished for his mistake even if he didn't mean to kill Rafael. The issue is that Kloff didn't have to go to the extremes he did. Kloff got his revenge when he tricked Aeroc into losing everything. Aeroc would've spent his life on the streets and would eventually die alone there. However Kloff decided to rape Aeroc repeatedly (even getting him pregnant multiple times) and would physically, psychologically, and emotionally abuse Aeroc. That's no longer justice, that's torturing someone. Aeroc accepted being abused and raped because of his guilt, but Kloff had no right to do that and he justified himself because he actually was attracted to Aeroc but couldn't accept that attraction. Kloff acted like he didn't have a choice but to torture Aeroc, but ultimately he did have a choice to honor his dead partner and to live a decent life - however he decided to waste his life not only torturing another person but essentially forgetting his old partner. Kloff at the end wanted to bring Aeroc to live in the mansion, as if that wouldn't be a dick move to Rafael who was killed by Aeroc's actions.

From what I know about Obsession, this story is nothing like it. In the movie some guy makes a selfish wish and has to face the consequences of it. In this story, Aeroc makes a selfish decision that ends in tragedy, he's punished for the mistake, and then is tortured because Kloff is actually obsessed with Aeroc and is using the death of his spouse as an excuse to sleep with Aeroc without shame.

Totally agree! His punishment wasn't not suitable for the crime he committed. I couldn't't rephrase it like you did!! Or put it like you did! Thanks.

And Kloff is a 100% guilty for what he did to Aeroc, tricking him in to becoming an Omega and raping him. But living a life of poverty is not justice for murder. He should have been in prison. This is my problem. I am not saying Kloff was justified, this was 100% revenge and what he did was evil. But Aeroc is ALSO evil, he should have been executed or at least left to rot in prison. He does not deserve a happy ever after. But people in the comments are saying 'my baby my baby, you didnt deserve this', Aeroc does not deserve to breathe. Neither does Kloff. So why are people crying over him? I don't understand, why have people forgiven the murder?

Also, the whole story is him being tortured as punishment. Murdering someone is not a mistake, it was calculated and even if it was a mistake it doesnt matter, two innocent people were murdered and he's accountable for it. And this story is very similar to Obsession which is also a tragedy. The difference is that the writers do not excuse Bear for his choices, his suffering is simply the consequences of his own action. Just Aeroc, he caused his own misery due his selfishness. Let's not forget that Aeroc chose to return to the mansion and could have left whenever he wanted. He chose to remain.

I think the whole point is that both of them did irredeemable things they cannot take back, and that's probably why the story is giving them second timelines to fix things rather than doing it in the OG timeline. That being said, most readers feel more sympathy towards Aeroc because while he did not have good intentions towards Raphael, he certainly did not wish death upon him. It wasn't a scheme to remove an obstacle out of his way. Aeroc also was capable of recognizing the gravity of his mistakes and accepted the punishment and he did all that in the first timeline. That's why his second timeline is a happy one. Kloff on the other hand didn't have the courage to accept his own feelings so he spent a lot of time antagonizing Aeroc and mocking his feelings. He married Raphael because he looked similar to the person he was actually attracted to (not a kind thing to do, btw. Poor Rapheal, even before the tragedy struck). When shit hit the fan, he used revenge as an excuse to finally satisfy his lust for Aeroc. He continued to torture him in unspeakable ways and never acknowledged the part he played in all of this. Frankly, people would be way more sympathetic towards Kloff if all he wanted was just revenge, and if all he did was give Aeroc the same treatment that Raphael got. But he took it far far beyond that and most of the "revenge" was just his own selfish lust that destroyed many more lives than just Aeroc's (their children for example). Yeah, he has every right to hate Aeroc after what he did but there are so many ways to get revenge that don't require you to repeatedly and personally rape and beat the person you were lusting after all along. All of his children were born out of rape. He's terrible, always has been.

Ahhh....can you rest like seriously he was given another time line.....it looks like you faced something like this in reality so please shush it

No one is defending the wrong things Aeroc did… but you have to understand people hate Kloff because he dragged both Rapiel and Aeroc in this hell.

Kloff repeatedly used Rapiel to stir up Aeroc’s jealousy. It was obvious he wanted Aeroc, but instead of being honest he married Rapiel… when that didn’t fix his obsession he started humiliating and punishing Aeroc. Why did he had kiss Rapiel and then turn to look at Aeroc and smirk? Wow what a horrible human being. Kloff was obviously provoking him..

Aeroc was dumb honestly for not leaving Capital and getting away, for trying to be civil. Like imagineyour ex or the person who rejected you going to every place you’re attending and letting you see how happy they are.

“Hey Aeroc this is what you can’t have. Because you’re this disgusting pig who likes Alphas… unlike me who’s normal and got married.”

It took time for jealousy to twist Aeroc meaning this has been happening for months. That’s the sad part about book 1… we never see everything Kloff did to Aeroc that pushed him into madness. Aeroc is an unreliable narrator who was filled of shame and guilt so he emphasizes his mistake more than Kloff… but you see small details about Kloff attending all the places, forcing Aeroc to converse with Rapiel (in the novel this were all briefly mentioned.. but never elaborated)

I’m not saying you should feel sorry for Aeroc.. what he did was wrong, he deserves to go to jail. Not Kloff’s idea of justice..

If you read TL3 or Vol 5 Kloff in the end of the novel acknowledge that he created the devil.. he did the same shit to tl1 aeroc and tl3 aeroc. Humiliating him, gaslighting, belittling… the mental gymnastics and stress… but the difference was in tl1 Kloff used Rapiel making Rapiel the object for Aeroc to hate.. in tl3 he made Aeroc feel crazy for being inexperienced… this dumbass went to a brothel at the Bottom and got scared after realizing what was happening.

Aeroc is impulsive and dumb (at times), his father’s teaching taught him to never express himself. So his a bomb basically… what he did wasn’t right, but you have to understand if you’re weighing Kloff vs Aeroc. Kloff is more evil because all his actions were ill intent.

Aeroc gets more defense because he genuinely tried until the end to redeem himself. He let go of everything.. letting Kloff destroy him. He held no resentment towards Kloff. Unlike Kloff who had to brainwash himself and everyone around him that he’s this good person, but in reality his choices hurt his children. Blaine, Yohn, and Ivid had problems growing up, Aeroc’s addiction affected the twins… one of the twins is mute if I’m correct and had development delays growing up.. imagine being that kid. Did you really deserve to be born because your dad had to punish your mom?

For me… honestly Kloff should have been contented and stayed away from Aeroc. But he found it thrilling to rile Aeroc… to have power over him. He wanted his cake and eat it too.

What Aeroc did was unforgivable. But he did not pay for the omega to be raped and killed. He was stupid and make stupid decision, like literally. It can be seen throughout the whole story where he was easily deceived. Anyway, like I said, he was still unforgivable. BUT, that doesn’t warrant Kloff’s “torture” towards him. You can’t raped someone endlessly and still expect them to be sane and live with you their whole life. He can easily pay anyone to kill Aeroc but no, he tortured him endlessly with turning him into omega then raped and pregnancy. So yeah, the biggest piece of shit in the story is Kloff. He doesn’t even loved the omega. All he is doing is out of dumb ego shit. Kloff doesn’t deserve both Aeroc and the omega.

I could kiss you for this comment. It's rare to see discerning people and you're one of them. You understood every nuance, broke it down and left no notes. 10/10.

I love this story so much. It's literally my favorite BL Manhwa so you don't know how much this made me happy.

Thank you so much. This is my favorite too! This has been living in head space for years to the point I ended up writing fanfiction about it

The fact that you use obsession out of all the movies and compare it to this story.... They are not even remotely the same thing, and quite frankly very insensitive of you to do so as obsession highlighting the horror of a woman who lost her body autonomy due to incel selfish lust, obsession and desire over her. The conversations happening in this thread of comment show people understand the nuance of the story, hence why they root one over the other despite both of em were in the wrong at some point. I fear you don't need to be so hostile about why people had strong feeling off Kloff and your comment of "I don't feel bad over what happen to Aeroc" despite have read what he went thru after Raphiel death is diabolical to say the least. But nonetheless, believe what you want I guess

To be clear, Kloff could have sent Aeroc to jail from the beginning. However he decided to take down Aeroc through tricks, which is why I say that if Kloff wanted justice served, he already had justice through his own actions. He even had other chances to send Aeroc to prison because of his economic and political influence, but he didn't because he was more focused on satiating his lust. You are free to hate both Aeroc and Kloff, I say more power to you. But I understand why people like Aeroc more and show support to him. Aeroc learned from his first life that what he did was wrong, he accepted all punishments (abuse, rape, neglect, etc.) despite the fact that he didn't have to. As you said, Aeroc could have left, but he didn't because he still felt guilt and love for Kloff. When Aeroc began his 2nd life he was determined to help Kloff and Rafael get together, doing anything to ensure that they would be happy in the new timeline. If Aeroc had continued to pursue Kloff in the 2nd timeline, I am sure more readers would dislike him. But because he didn't, he's seen more favorably when compared to Kloff.

Facts. Her comment and the comparison was diabolical. I couldn't even read the whole thing because I didn't want to get mad. I try to refrain from throwing insults but some of the comments I see on here make me realize the world is filled with some really strange people. Imagine if someone like this was given a chance to make laws or pass judgement. Yikes.

I don't understand how you are that upset about the comparison. I think it was pretty apt.

The relationship dynamics are different but the themes are the same. Bear and Aeroc both make a selfish choice to force their love interests into a relationship. Bear takes away Nikki's autonomy, Aeroc takes away Kloffs husband and child. It is not insensitive to say that they are equally heinous actions. Bears choice worked in his favour whilst Aerocs choice did not, but that does not diminish the gravity of the choice that he made. So no, I don't feel bad for him. Was Kloff right to torture Aeroc? Of course not, he tortured Aeroc out of his own sick desires. But simply suffering does not redeem a person, it doesn't make up for what he did, justice is not karma it doesn't balance out like that. Rapiel never got justice for what happened to him. People keep bringing up what Kloff did to Aeroc but Kloffs actions only reflect Kloffs immorality not Aerocs; Aerocs morality is based on his choices and his choices alone. It's not hatred of Kloff that upsets me, its excusing Aeroc when he has not earnt forgiveness. The real victims of this story are the people who did not have any say in the outcome, that's Rapiel, the baby and the kids. I feel bad for them. The other two belong in hell.

Its the not the hatred of Kloff I dislike, he deserves to be hated. But Aeroc was not dumb, he was selfish and arrogant and willing to hurt his family to get what he wanted. Even if you want to argue that Kloff 'stirred up' Aeroc's jealousy, that does not justify or excuse what Aeroc did. I think it's infantilising to say that Kloff pushed him into madness; it strips Aeroc of his agency, shifts blame and implies Kloff is at fault for Rapiel's death when he wasn't. Regarding Aerocs suffering, if you put out selfishness and brutality into the world, personally, I cannot sympathise when it comes back to haunt you. In the first timeline Aeroc did not try to redeem himself in my view. He should have confessed to the crime the minute it happened, instead he hid behind his money. He could have left when Kloff took over his home but he chose to stay to try and get what he wanted. Aeroc was not a good person in the first timeline, Kloffs revenge was evil but his anger was understandable. And when we look at tl2 Kloff, he's still a piece of shit but not evil like he was before and so we can see that Kloffs desire to torture Aeroc is tied into the murder of Rapiel. The experiences shaped the characters, Rapiel's death made Kloff a torturer and Aeroc caused Rapiels death. So, I do not think the story should be viewed through 'Kloff vs Aeroc'. I dislike the idea of ranking pain and suffering and 'whoever suffered more is the better person' / 'whoever caused more suffering is the worse person' because choosing to inflict any amount of pain is the problem. Kloff chooses to hurt Aeroc more, but Aerocs choice resulted in the death of two people - so what is more important in this ranking of good and evil, intent or outcome? To forgive Aeroc but not Kloff, in my opinion, diminishes the value of the lives took. I don't think we should forgive either one.

This is a really weird hill to die on. Aeroc did not force Kloff into a relationship. It's the other way around. Aeroc was the one who had his autonomy stolen from him. Kloff only lost a spouse which he did not even love in the first place. Rapiel was just a pawn in all of this, a poor excuse for Kloff to perpetuate his sadism and his twisted desires.

Aeroc paid to have Rapiel intimidated, he basically said "Teach him a lesson" but approached the wrong people and ended up with a disastrous outcome.

No matter what his intent was, what he did was wrong and he should have been handed to the law after being stripped of his wealth and title.

Kloff had no right to alter Aeroc's biology, beat, abuse and rape him repeatedly for years and deny him access to his own children. If you cannot understand that then unfortunately, there's no hope for you.

Look, jesus fucking christ you clearly very much upset that people overwhelmingly rightfully felt more sympathy with Aeroc and that's fine, but my issue with is you correlates it with Obsession as it is not even remotely the same nor even the dynamic you're saying. You saying Aeroc is Bear? But Bear rape Nikki, took her autonomy, was the one who held more power in the dynamic, Bear was never ever driven by guilt to save her nor remorse of what he did, it was pure Obsession (who would have guess). And he killed himself leaving Nikki to deal with his fucked up, it was a story that highlights injustice spesifically targeted toward woman, not of two man with status and deranged relationship. So yes, it is insensitive because I believe that movie had far more lesson and conversation that can be talked about far better than being a point of argument over toxic yaoi manga online.

Furthermore you can just say you felt sorry for Raphael and their kids, it's that's simple, no one will argue with you as they mostly will agreed. But this is not a story mainly focus about them now isn't?

I don't care what your stand are with the main characters but saying "Simply suffering does not redeem a person" is a diabolical statement and I hope you never ever go thru even similar hell (who are you to say that when you don't even allow others opinions on the matter?) , that said say what you want or believe so. Others have said their piece far better than I do, but it seem you unwilling to engage in a conversation so why do I even try