I bet Guwon knows now but he just doesn’t care. I bet he believes it doesn’t matter what anyone tries, he’ll survive and kill everyone except teacher.
I came from a video and was hoping it’d be the childhood friend.
Ch 12 now— still wishing the end game is the childhood friend damn it
When he showed his fiance I went “YAY! He has a fiance!! That means him and JH will actually be friends and not have a sucky love triangle.”
Then the depression hit.
Personally, I blame social media.
I miss the days when stories would naturally pop up because they’re well done and quietly passed around by word of mouth. Now we have influencers setting every single person on the planet onto one chapter and everyone has to have an opinion immediately whether something is good or so evil it needs to be burned from the internet. We used to have at least 10-20 chapters to read at the jump to actually form a well-enough opinion.
But whatever you do, keep this site hidden for the love of whatever deity you worship. Also, stay off of the author’s social media. Manhwa artists already hate us international readers cause we rip their stuff illegally, they don’t get paid, and then we yell at them?
Get off your high horse you fucking idiot you’re talking about reading illegally and we’re actually discussing the antebellum himself and how inappropriate it is for her to be discussing this whilst simultaneously glazing over Are you fucking stupid like genuinely you said you hate social media and you blame it but it’s one of the only things that educate people about the egregious act of history get off your moral high horse you dumbass
If they hate us so much, why don't they stop making stories about the internationals?
Also, a bunch of readers would read from places where the artist can get paid, if one; these works got properly translated and distributed internationally,
two; the apps where these works are posted weren't a bunch of scammers, that also ripped off the artists and
three; if we fucking had money.
But we aren't talking about that, why the fuck would you write a story about one of the most racist parts of American history if fucking hate your international audience so much ?
My topic is about how social media has impacted us to make snap judgements on content that has very little to work off of.
Your anger has made you believe that every topic and comment posted here has to be tied to Antebellum, slavery, and historical accuracy. You’re calling me an idiot for…. Not talking about what you want to talk about? There are plenty of other threads that hit on all those topics that you’re interested in yet you targeted mine because you’re trying to do what? Educate? Start a fight? What was the point you’re trying to make? I would have been interested to understand your point of view if you were civil about it, but the unnecessary name calling and attempt at policing conversations shows you’re not open to any conversation. Good day.
I made the “hate” observation based on a few videos I saw a few years ago. Now I admit I made a generalized comment that would be inaccurate. But I would have hoped that the “they hate all international readers” would be taken the same tone as “all men suck.” (Which the accurate thing would be “not all”)
You’re right, a lot of us would. But here we are, arguing about a story that does have legal official English translations on an illegal website.
Two, an unfortunate point though I’m not sure how accurate that statement is. I’m not knowledgeable in that department so I’d need to research that.
Three, you and me both. In this economy.
Last point, see the first sentence. I’m not going to pretend like I understand THIS specific artist and author’s thoughts and beliefs. They could absolutely love and be enamored by what they’ve seen of western culture and wanted to make a love letter to it in their own way. Or maybe everyone’s correct and the artist and author are both absolutely horrible and misguided people who intend to create something extremely racist that will set the BLM movement back 50 years. In my opinion, I’d say that the latter is the least likely intent.
And back to making snap judgements, I’m all for changing my mind ONCE more chapters have come out to prove one way or the other.
Thank you for replying. Yeah I got the statement that hate international readers is an generalization, hence why I said my point ( but I get what you're saying)
My seond point is know because I've been into Weston's since my preteens and I've actively witnessed the degradation of those websites and how much they don't respect artists and how little they pay them and overworked them ( this is one of the reasons why a lot of artists take a ton hiatus and a lot of them have health issues ). Also, editors that oversee them and discouraged taking risks with stories, because whatever makes money. I also say this as an art student that wants to become an artist. We live in a capitalist society and whatever makes the most money company will do even at degradation of arts, the devaluation of artist and the disrespect of the readers.
Finally, the issue isn't particularly that the author wants to portray racial stereotypes or bigotry, but the lack of care ( so far ) to understand it. You can write whatever, but we live the era of searching stuff on your phone and making a romance story ser in the antebellum South with a native man and white man ( but he's good, because he let of his slaves, despite it being literally the antbellum era) is weird and frankly displays a lack research. It's also disrespectful to those who lived back then. People's trauma aren't a vehicle for storytelling, especially if you have no connection to it. There are a plethora of examples of cowboys stories without the weird racism in it. The fact of it, is that it wasn't necessary; we are simply tired of having our stories( our ancestors stories) co-opted by people who do not care. Fantasy is fun and all, but you cannot blame people for feeling weird about this. It feels wrong. But im not calling the author a bad person nor will they necessarily put BLM back a century. God knows that as a society we are actively doing that on our own, but im saying ignorance hurts, because it feels like they never even cared to find out. Like your not even human enough to have your stories treated with respect and care. The author is more a water droplet in an already overflowing glass.
To your second point: that is terrible, though not surprising since I think we’re all aware how the art industry can be when it comes to working their artists to the bone for meager pay (ex. Japanese animators and kpop artists). I work in an artistic field and I’m seeing the degradation of art in real time as companies favor cheaper labor and usage of AI. It’s frustrating and all my coworkers hate and actively argue against it. Unfortunately the people holding the purse strings aren’t artists. At the end of the day we do what we can within the scope of our power, but we also need the paycheck to eat. It’s tough.
One thing I want to bring up. I’ve seen people saying “Antebellum era” all over but Antebellum means “before the war”. So antebellum era ends when the civil war begins. I had to look this up to be sure. This story is set post war— maybe 1865-1866 which would have been the exact year people were supposed to emancipate their slaves whether they wanted to or not.
So, while he is being portrayed as “one of the good ones” by giving them money to relocate rather than make them work for a wage (which plantation owners did and then charged rent), he was also doing it according to the law.
I’m not going to pretend like I understand what you’re feeling, because that’s not my family history. But I do sympathize with generational trauma being used as a plot device. It shouldn’t be used as a prop, but I also believe that since the author wrote a piece set in that time period, it would be a huge disservice to not at least touch on and acknowledge that trauma. And in stories, agree to disagree, I believe that it is important to accurately depict racism/sexism/homophobia/etc because no world is without it. Unless this is a fluff manhwa but this is a drama. It’d be like writing a Bl set in modern Korea without the intense homophobia (which is a trauma most Bl manhwa artists depict but have never experienced before. And we don’t expect them to in order to create BL, so why does it feel like a double standard?). They could have chosen a different time period that was way past America’s slavery era, but they didn’t. We don’t know why, but I’m curious to find out.
I don't blame people for feeling what they feel. I just don’t think it’s acceptable to lash out at others when we could just talk like this.
At the moment, my stance with this story is that it is too soon to make a judgement call that the author is handling the subject matter insensitively. I’ve seen some of the arguments about white savior complex which this would fall into at least to start? From the summary it looks like his love interest will be the one saving his life though. the antebellum era, I think we cleared that up timeline wise. And then with “how the author is handling slavery”, I find myself confused because they’ve just started and complex and deep storytelling takes time.
Maybe in chapter two something egregious will happen, but until then, I don’t want to jump on any hate train.
Well yeah, sorry was probably to hasty didnt fact check the exact period lol and genre probably( i saw romance pretty sure). But you aren't wrong, I feel like the Bl stories are like, if I wrote a story about two gay black men in a black community where homophobia is looked down upon( which unfortunately got a lot of work to do ). It's fun to imagine( but the metaphor is a bit off, cuz I'm queer myself lol and have experience homophobia).
My thing is more if like they wrote it like they generally write bl, and slavery just didn't exist in their story my eyebrows would lift a bit less.
( btw, yeah being an artist sucks right now lol. )
Also, my mistrust come from the fact that these artist can have an entire thesis in European history, but will drop the ball at their southern neighbours or black people in general. I simply know we live an incredibly anti-black world, so I know that shit ain't gonna be treated properly. Also, indigenous people usually passed over and blamed for issues caused by colionism. Regularly demonized. With all the historical revisionism going on the racism explosion right now, im just wondering if this was a good idea in the first place
Let me guess Suah is gonna show up in the next chapter and the old guy’s pheromones are gonna be all over JH which is gonna cause another jealous melt down and we’re all gonna be fighting in the comments about rape round 2.
please no ;-;
Please dont jinx this
Sounds like it lol
I knew it! He knows but he just doesn’t care.
yeah i feel like it was painfully obvious guwon already knew only bc teach had already been "trying" to kill him, plus i think guwon knows that to outsiders the way he does things on the compound are fucked up and that any new person would be thinking he needs to die i think people underestimate him an assume he never knew only cause we haven't seen the full extent of how smart he is cause he's always acting "harmless" (or as harmless or brainless as someone who looks like him can appear LMFAO)