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Stay Up Too Late Reading Yaoi

PERIOD. generalization aint good   reply
17 09,2020
I think this note will explain a little bit about the HUGE issue of why so many older yaoi/ bl manga has terrible representation of gay relationships. Before yaoi became an established genre of its own, it mainly consisted of doujinshi made by fans. In these doujinshi; they'd pair two male characters together (usually from a shonen manga) and go ab......   reply
17 09,2020
I'd like to say, before blaming people who read BL: please ALSO look at the faults of the individual AUTHORS of the manga!!
The problem lies in the disproportionate views that many people in Japanese society have regarding homophobia, and that's what influences the authors!!
Gender roles are extremely strict in Japan, and i think this is reflected strongly in BL. When I visited Japan last year, people were shocked just to see two guy best friends hugging in public.
One man even gave two guys a weird look just because they were walking close to each other?
Issues surrounding proper gay representation is really prevalent in Japan.

Every issue has a root, but i feel like on mangago it is more of a fighting each other instead of looking to the root of the problem which lies in the authors of the manga and stereotypical views of sexuality and stuff that is heavily permeated in Japan.
These kinds of culture took many years to develop.

I studied online about bl and yaoi on a course in future learn. Here is the link if you want more info: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-japanese-subculture
This will explain more of the issues behind yaoi and some reasoning as well. It doesn't serve as justification but provides an explanation as to how it became a huge genre in Japan.

part of the meaning for the word yaoi is 'imi mo nashi/ also no meaning' because it started off as a doujin genre for sexually repressed women who were not thinking of gay rights at the time, but of their own release instead from sexism.
Sadly, as they are so used to hetero-normative society, this leaked into their doujinshi and manga stories as well which is why we have the stereotypical seme and uke stuff.

and the phrase fujoshi 'rotten women' stems for the stigma that BL fans face in Japan because people looked down on them for reading about gay relationships. Fudanshi is now a male equivalent too.

Also please do not sleep on the incredible genre of GAY MANGA because guess what? There is a LOT of gay manga written by men for men as well. Popular themes include 'bara' and occasionally I read a bl that seems inspired by these gay manga, too.
Haven't you heard of 'Kuso Miso' the incredibly popular gay manga with the catchphrase 'yaranaika' before?

Many things are being misunderstood here, so I thought I'd add some notes I learnt from my Japanese studies.
You can criticise my points as much as you want but it is clear- BL is much deeper than some make it out to be.
There are many reasons as to why a person reads it. I cannot vouch for everyone as issues do arrive sometimes, but BL is not read or made by just ONE TYPE of person.
17 09,2020
Dylan_D21 17 09,2020
Names are hard to remember but 'seme' and 'uke' can't be applied for every couple. I suggest calling them by their hairstyle/color!   1 reply
17 09,2020
Cestelle
17 09,2020
You probably feel like you're reducing them to whether or not they "take it in the ass or not" because that's exactly what referring to their position in bed instead of their name does. Not to mention that terminology completely ignores the fact that vers people exist. The amount of switch erasure that is just the norm within both bl/yaoi itself *......   1 reply
17 09,2020
wot?!!
16 09,2020
I do dislike this because it ignores the roles of people who switch. As there are many different types of tops and bottoms i feel like 'seme' and 'uke' are much too restrictive labels. 'seme' is short for the verb 'semeru' which means 'to attack' in Japanese. 攻める・責める whilst 'uke' or 'ukeru' means 'to receive' in Japanese. 受ける......   2 reply
16 09,2020
there's also 'tachi' and 'neko', but i prefer to use 'top' and 'bottom'. Also, why would you think that you're reducing a whole character only to whether he "takes it in the ass", you're describing their roles in bed, not their personality or anything like that. Like you described: if the rest of us could remember all the names we probably wouldn......   1 reply
16 09,2020
Iby 16 09,2020
Hello, am I the only one who's not comfortable with the terms "seme" and "uke" (or even worse, the "female role")?
I won't deny that they make discussing the manga easier (cause I can't remember names since I'm dumb) but they still make me feel like I'm reducing a whole character only to whether he "takes it in the ass" or not.

Idk maybe it's stupid.

(Do they actually have some kind of interresting ethymology?)
16 09,2020
1. I love the story and it have this different impact on me than stories with a G×B pairing 2. Sheer Joy 3. Every part of it, I enjoy the transition of the story 4. I can't tell it yet because there are tons of Yaoi I still haven't read   reply
16 09,2020

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