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polinsesi May 11, 2026 2:15 pm

After reading this reddit post, I found it very interesting, and even the following responses. It also changed my mind on the unending "moral" debates in the commentes of the yaoi/BL works here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DanmeiNovels/comments/1mm8n0w/the_discourse_of_problematic_bl/

I'm very interested to hear your opinion as well. ^^

Responses
    Fujoshi for Fluff only May 11, 2026 2:25 pm

    Wow, I enjoyed reading it! Thank you so much. They have explained everything so perfectly even a no brainer would understand. Surprisingly, all the points being raised while reading a BL were also included there.

    STEWIE May 11, 2026 2:56 pm

    it's just fiction has the right to explore dark themes, and readers have the right to criticize how those themes are written or used.

    404 May 11, 2026 3:12 pm

    very loose definition of debates on here when it's usually one side not even being open to these points to feel superior. they don't want a conversation, they just want to be right.

    sottovoce May 11, 2026 3:57 pm

    broadly agree, but saying fiction doesn't have the same moral weight as real life behavior and shouldn't be treated the same way doesn't mean it can't be criticized for it at all or that there can't be a reaction based in morality or values. by criticism, I mean of the literary sort - identifying the elements of a story and analyzing why and how they are used in the story. if there's going to be freedom of creation, then there can and should be freedom of critique.
    many people on that thread and on here conflate criticism with censorship. criticism doesn't equal censorship, especially when the people doing so are just an assortment of anonymous accounts on a pirate site, for example. someone can have an honest critical engagement with how a work depicts immoral acts and behaviors or how that work is inaccurate in depicting the reality of a situation in service of whatever the creator wanted to express with their story and conclude that it's done well or not, or is a mixed result. the op of that post is opposed to strict negative judgements of things, and that's my biggest disagreement. something can straightforwardly be terrible on that count and worth condemnation. anyways, there's a difference between government/state censorship, censorship or restriction through market means, and social reactions like criticism, backlash, or censure.
    fiction isn't the source of immorality, but it reflects real life issues to various degrees, and it can be criticized on those grounds. people aren't used to culture criticism or to analyzing works in their real world contexts, but i think those are worthwhile explorations. that reddit thread and most defenses of things exploring the immoral and taboo rely on the idea that fiction and media have little to no effect on people irl, and I don't think that true in the way those defenders want it to be. people don't just blindly follow and copy, but I'm not convinced that there's no impact on attitudes and paradigms. you can't divorce these things from their cultural contexts!
    it's not just what immoral or taboo things are included in a story, but how and why the story engages with it, and how the audience engages with it. all of that requires critical analysis, which sometimes will come to the conclusion that something is an unabashed celebration/endorsement of immorality that should be condemned. have the people making the "it has no real-life impact" defense ever considered how that applies to racism and misogyny and other forms of prejudice and bigotry? or do they only think that idealized depictions of sexual abuse and taboos are completely disconnected from the world around them?

    polinsesi May 11, 2026 4:13 pm
    it's just fiction has the right to explore dark themes, and readers have the right to criticize how those themes are written or used. STEWIE

    I just think the author of that post was just addressing some of those critiques. And I found his point of view very interesting, since I haven't heard someting similar before.
    People sharing their opinions and listening to each other, that's what freedom of speach is about after all.

    I just think it's interesting to challenge out beliefs, and not always hearing the same narrative. Even if we don't agree with the other, it is enriching to hear someting that may or may not contradict us. That way we can further cement our beliefs or gain another point of view. I'm just speaking in general here. ^^

    polinsesi May 11, 2026 4:25 pm
    broadly agree, but saying fiction doesn't have the same moral weight as real life behavior and shouldn't be treated the same way doesn't mean it can't be criticized for it at all or that there can't be a reacti... sottovoce

    I understand where you are coming from, and I also understand what he is trying to convey. Understanding doesn't mean I 100% agree with what you are saying, or with him.

    I first would like to thank you for your reply and for taking the time to read the reddit post and all.
    My objective was just to share this piece of writing so that everyone can take from it what they can. Each person is different, has different experiences in life that have shaped the human that they are. And I really think that our differences are our most precious treasures. ^^

    STEWIE May 11, 2026 5:04 pm
    I just think the author of that post was just addressing some of those critiques. And I found his point of view very interesting, since I haven't heard someting similar before.People sharing their opinions and ... polinsesi

    eell, you can’t expect everyone to be open to other people’s opinions here because they tend to take pride in what they believe in. many readers struggle to accept criticism of things they like because they see it as acceptable for themselves but not for others, which often leads to long arguments. considering that many users here are still minors and teenagers, they're still retarded and aren't fully open-minded. i would also like to add that the reddit post felt more open because the people engaging in the thread were mostly mature enough to understand that dark romance is okay, and that it is also valid for readers to criticize any work, since we are talking about freedom of speech.