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Mfs like you are the reason why forced consent and blaming the victim will always be a thing. F you. Be ashamed. I didn't even bother to read this long ass paragraph you wrote just coz I read the first line coz it's genuinely "should be in an asylum and jail" level crazy to be defending a rapist like that. Actually you should be looked into too. No one who has any common sense or humanity would read or agree w you. Shame shame shame

F##k you and ppl like you, you fukin’ hypocrite pretending to be all humane and morally superior! ppl like you are exactly why characters like Mok end up becoming monsters! F##k you, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I don’t even understand why nanjo likes sunhwa that much, like for what? There must be something? I just can’t see it

Clock they shit Minnieee I’ve been saying this since last year even the author says in the creators note they aren’t going to spoon feed! Literacy rates are decliningggggg reading comprehension is going downhilllll

That’s what I NEED to understand... Idc about Nanjo’s POV as much as I care about the real root behind his savior complex!

Watching this sheer stupidity and total lack of reading comprehension for two whole seasons has straight-up shredded my nerves! I am SO sick of them painting anyone who points out a single factual truth about Nanjo as some disgusting, evil rape-apologist!

Yesss I’ve had to fully stop myself from looking at the comments which sucks because u want to be able to discuss and dissect with other people but this fake outrage and moral policing is insaneee. Conservatism is on a rise sister we have to run and duck for cover

I was guessing maybe nanjo have some traumas or issues too? He reminds me kinda of someone who have been doing parentification or someone he lost but i don’t know i might be wrong. He is just giving that emotionally stable and mature vibe ish. ? Especially on how he behaves towards sunhwa but also with mok now

It sucks so bad because all we want is to actually analyze the psychological nuance of the story, but instead we’re stuck dodging moral puritans! The way people bring real-life moral policing into fictional psychological thrillers is insane. Like, if you can’t separate dark fiction from real-life ethics, why are you even reading this genre?! People are out here acting like analyzing a toxic fictional character makes you a bad person in real life. The reading comprehension is literally in the gutter.
Staying out of the comment section is honestly self-care at this point. We’re safe in our little analytical bubble!

Yeah! He definitely went through something that conditioned him to take on the burden of protecting everyone, even when nobody asked him to. It’s giving heavy survivor's guilt or a deep-rooted fear of loss. I’m legit so ready for his backstory drop..really hoping the author doesn't make us wait forever for it.

This is an interesting idea that I’ll have to keep in mind as we learn more, cause yeah—even though Nanjo is the oldest of the three, he definitely acts more stoic and ‘numb’ than expected in all this,, I’m just really curious if we’ll get any flashbacks and/or if he’ll ever outright say whatever thoughts he’s been holding in

Yesss everything that I’ve been thinking omg Minnie where have u beeeeen I feel like with the exception of the people on this post I made previously I’ve been by myself

We finally found another sane person to talk to! Nice to meet you, girl!

I totally agreed with u, I mean when ever I expressed my thoughts about it people started blaming like how can I support a rap*st but too be honest everyone have fault for this situation, MoK maybe have more but that doesn't mean we blame alone him when it's clear how Nanjo and his so called boyfriend have enough faults and I want them too suffering for their karma as well just like MOk does

Literally!! That’s exactly what I’ve been saying all along! Everyone carries a piece of the blame here, and all three of them deserve to face the consequences of their own actions. Acting like Mok is the ONLY guilty one and the only one who deserves to suffer..to the point where some people think everything he’s been through STILL isn't enough and straight-up want him DEAD is pure delusion at this point.

WAHH WAAH WAAH Looks like someone needs to call you a wambulance. Oh namjo shud know better. OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE ONE SHOULD NOT GO AROUND MANIPULATING OTHERS. oh namjo assumed that mok was abusing s. YEAH CUZ HE MAKE IT OUT LIKE THAT. He didn't clear the misunderstanding in the first place because he was only looking for his own benefit aka sleeping with namjo. You know the problem with ppl like you is no matter what you will always find some way or other to blame the victim. In this situation however namjo has the resources to get out of this toxic setup and thank god he did. Mok needs to go to therapy and stop bothering my king

My king? Gurl, grow up and get some self-respect. I’m not wasting my time or energy arguing with someone who lacks the reading comprehension to see things for what they actually are.

Yeah self respect like mok right

don’t be childish such a pity

Ummm, or maybe Nanjo could respect Sunhwa's boundaries and ask him why he wanted a threesome in the first place?!
You know, maybe, just maybe, he could assume that Sunhwa was a grown ass adult who knows his own shit, maybe he could ask if Sunhwa needed his sacrifice?! Instead of going behind his back and sleeping with another dude to save somebody who didn't need saving in the first place!!!!!

LOUDERRRRR

I know ur not smarter than a 5th grader :/ Mok didn’t make anything out to be anyway Nanjo assumed and was being righteous and condescending asshole something you have in common with ur king. That’s exactly why his pov not needed yall can’t even comprehend what’s in front of u and it’s a picture book. Nobody victim blaming Nanjo unlike you and everybody else treating him like a gah damn baby we holding everybody accountable to the same degree. You can’t read and that much is evident. Everything isn’t black and white grow up. Talking bout some waaah waaah yo ass wasn’t qualified for the conversation from jump.

Yeah! Some people just like to blame someone who is easy to blame just like Mok he have many faults but that doesn't mean he is one and only to blame for the entire situation. Actually people just don't want to understand deeply what is the actual problem

Ikr!!! It’s so much easier to deflect onto others than to take accountability for your own mess... and it’s even easier to stay in full-blown denial than to let your brain accept the truth when you're literally fighting demons to ignore it.

It is people like you who are childish. Can't believe anyone would defend a sex offender in the big 26. First time in a long time I'm seeing that the bottom has the power to escape the toxic dynamic and the top actually suffering for his mistakes and still bootlickers like u have to ruin that.

No you are absolutely right. Nanjo is guilty for that. But that is between him and Sunhwa right? Okay I'll try to explain as simply as possible. Between N and M, M is the culprit. And between N and S, N is the culprit. BUT what the author has done is make S kinda materialistic and those cunning type of personality so we wouldn't feel that bad for him. Honestly in the whole story he's the one always getting the short end of the stick.

Oh, thank you, look, some accountability!!!! All we are saying is that, everyone is guilty, everyone is fucked up!
But you, Nanjo's subjects (your word, not mine) put him on pedestal and exempt him, that's what the topic was trying to stablish, not absolving Mok Yeon of his sin
But I guess you won't see what you don't want to see

Most people who side with Nanjo conveniently forget that this manhwa initially had three characters, and I think that's a very important key factor.

I like Nanjo and Mok Yeon equally, and I hate them equally. Because where Mok Yeon is manipulative and abusive, Nanjo is controlling and judgmental.

Nanjo judges Mok Yeon based on essentially one encounter and then keeps acting on that judgment. He decides, without actually asking, that Sunhwa needs to be “saved,” interferes in his relationship, and sets off a chain of events that he later seems unwilling to take responsibility for.

That's what bothers me most about Nanjo: he often acts as though everything that happens between him and Mok Yeon is something that was simply done to him, as though he's a puppet or a martyr who sacrificed himself for Sunhwa. But he made choices too. He chose to interfere. He chose to sleep with Mok Yeon. He chose to keep seeing him. He chose to avoid Sunhwa and lie to him. And when Mok Yeon kisses him and he kisses him back, he still manages to make Mok Yeon the sole source of the problem.

I'm not saying Mok Yeon is innocent. He absolutely isn't. He's manipulative, abusive, emotionally unstable, and responsible for plenty of the damage he causes. I'm not even saying people aren't allowed to hate him.

What I'm asking is: why does Nanjo get a moral exemption?

Sunhwa even says something revealing about Nanjo: he wasn't initially attracted to men, and yet he allows himself to be swept along by other people. Even his sexuality seems to become something he doesn't fully take ownership of. That doesn't make him evil, but it does tell us something important about how he makes choices.

And I think that's the point people keep missing: Mok Yeon's behavior is much easier to condemn because we actually get to see what's going on inside his head. Nanjo hides his dysfunction better, so people interpret his choices more generously.

You don't have to forgive Mok Yeon to acknowledge Nanjo's responsibility.

Hate Mok Yeon if you want. I certainly understand why people do.

But if we're going to judge these characters, let's judge both of them as people who make choices, rather than treating Nanjo as an innocent bystander to a disaster that he repeatedly helped create.


I wrote this literally at the same day...it's in the topic if you scroll down, and that's my stand, I like this manhwa because of Nanjo, he's not helpless, he's not a victim... he's just twisted, but nicely put together!
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Bro is comparing sa to judgement. It's like the hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby. Nanjo is guilty but not to mok yeon. Sunhwa is guilty to nanjo but very little. Mok Yeon on the other hand is guilty to both of them. And at least nanjo knows that their relationship will not work hence he broke the toxic setup. Meanwhile mok Yeon can't even comprehend nanjo doesn't love him and keep manipulating him to stay. No matter what y'all say I would never I mean never defender a abuser and sex offender

Yeah because immmmmmthaatttgworllah will decide if my ass is qualified or not. And let's say nanjo is a condescending aashole. But it's much better than a rapist and abuser. 'npt everything is black and white' when you can clearly see mok being manipulating and abusing and saing nanjo. Nanjo is guilty and hence he broke up the relationship. Mok on the other hand can't even handle his own issues and create problems for others

You are not that girl trust me

The actual problem is that instead of getting help mok keep clinging to nanjo like some parasite. And you guys don't understand how bad it is for them to continue their relationship. Some things aren't meant to be and it's okay. He needs time to reflect on his mistakes and heal. And ppl blame mok more because he's at fault more. Nanjo would be around 30%, Sunhwa 10%, and mok is like 60%.

And all I'm saying is even if everyone is guilty. There's still some degree right? You won't give death sentence to a robber right? That's why I'm biased towards nanjo. I really liked this story because nanjo got a chance to get away from the toxic dynamic which is very rare from popular bls. But ppl like you are always there.

And I'll be happy being his subject. At least I'll die happy knowing I didn't defend an abuser and rapist

Do you even know how karm works? Also what mok did is neither morally not legally right. Just because he shed a few tears doesn't mean he became free from his karm. Also Sunhwa already got his karma. Nanjo too suffered so much already. Honestly I don't even care what happens to mok. I think he should get help. And leave nanjo alone

Not everyone carries a piece. Mok carries the whole pie. Nanjo and Sunhwa are guilty too but not to that degree. And whatever mok suffered was just his own doing. No one from outside harmed him. You guys say that nanjo did all that with his consent. Like have you guys ever heard of cohersion. Or manipulation? And your saying oh he's a grown man. He should know better. So grown men can't get saed? And honestly people only want him dead cause as long he's alive he's not gonna leave nanjo alone. And honestly I don't want him dead i just want him gone. Away from nanjo. People like mok have their own lives miserable and make others as well by refusing to get the help they desperately need.

You clearly have way too much free time and an insane amount of dedication to keep proving how brain-dead, surface-level, and incapable of understanding character writing you actually are. You’re fully hollow-brained just staring at the panel, reading the dialogue word-for-word, and building your takes on the most predictable tropes instead of what the author is actually implying!

My god, I genuinely can't believe the wall of text you just sent. Luckily for me, I didn't read a single word of it and I'm definitely not starting now. So go bark somewhere else.

Honestly, not everyone has the brain cells to read characters with actual nuance. Most people are completely stuck in a black-and-white mindset…to them, a character is either 100% a blameless victim or a villain with zero in-between. They can’t grasp that sometimes a person is the architect of their own ruin through their own choices.
You stop being a pure victim the second you voluntarily throw yourself into the fire for no logical reason. Nanjo had the upper hand from day one for so many reasons:

• He could've had a rational conversation to reject the whole 3som/sadism dynamic with his so-called boyfriend.


• He could've rejected Mok’s offer from the jump instead of entangling himself in a physical relationship his brain clearly rejected.


• He could've used his massive social influence and network to actually look into Mok and Sunhwa’s dynamic to verify if Mok was actually an abuser, and more importantly, to understand Sunhwa’s real personality and sexual preferences.


• He could've straight-up beaten Mok to a pulp -which he was fully capable of doing, considering he left him bruised up for WEEKS- 


• Or worst-case scenario: just walk away when he realized nothing was working!


Instead, he refused to take a single preventative step to protect himself or the guy he was allegedly trying to save. He is a victim of his own choices, NOT a victim of two idiots using him like Mokyeon and Sunhwa.
The funniest part? People are out here giving him a medal for "escaping a toxic relationship" lmfao!! Gurl, he only walked away ‘cause they got caught! If Sunhwa hadn't exposed them that day, Nanjo would’ve dragged this out until Sunhwa broke up with him or Mok pulled out like he originally planned. He only cut ties with Mok because Sunhwa dumped him..so naturally, whatever weird 'threat' or dynamic they had came to an end!

When will people finally grow up and understand how real life works? I’m so exhausted by the sheer stupidity, especially when people label anyone pointing out a fictional character’s flaws as a rape apologist.

LMAOOO it took all ur brain cells to come up with that one huh awww

LMAO clock that shit fren! They think throwing around words they learned on the internet mostly likely TikTok make them right! Please just regurgitating the same shit over and over

Honestly, these kinds of mindsets are starting to get on my nerves #－.－)

They just loud wrong and out in wild

somebody needs to put these people on a leash.

I come here everyday to check if there’s an update

we’ve literally been waiting for ages

Very well put. The tone direction is wayyy off. The better path to take would have been Mok healing by himself before he meets Nano again. If the author was just making angsty romance, they could have done it. But they shoowd a realistic depiction of declining mental health so why not fully commit rather than just dipping toes into everything.

FOR REAL! I’m actually so disappointed. I built up way too much hype in my head and set my expectations sky-high... honestly, it’s probably my own fault from the start for expecting the author to actually dive deep into the psychological stuff and give us proper, complex character analysis.

Y'all don't read the author's notes and it shows. Where did she even mention this will be a psychological, slice of life deep story? The first season was literally mostly about a threesome. This is supposed to be a black comedy with two damaged and imperfect characters. Why we got to see Mok's traumatic past and him spiraling out of control the past few chs(a small introduction of who he is and his reasons). That doesn't mean this was supposed to go the therapy/deep self reflection crap y'all being screaming about. It's supposed to be about one idiot, sadistic and dramatic top and his equally questionable bottom and their damaged and weird relationship, nothing more nothing else.

What are you being so defensive about? "It's supposed to be black comedy" well it's failing then cuz there was nothing comedic the whole of first season. Just turning characters into chibis won't make a work dark comedy lmao. Ik the author didn't mean for this to be psychological-- I literally stated that they dipped their toes into everything. And you are just lying to yourself and everyone else if you think this work WON'T pull people to talk about the psychological aspects of it-- it clearly tried to depict declining mental health. All I said was that that I think the romance should be after Mok gets some self healing for both Nanjo and his own benifit, which is an opinion I can have for myself and there's no logic in you getting all mad about it when people discuss or bother in critising some aspects of a story-- it means they usually like it u know.

Oh and I notice that people who talk like you always like to act like Mok and Nanjo are equal in their faults... "Equally questionable" bro.

At the end of the day, I only care about what’s right in front of me and what’s actually being shown in the storytelling. And what I saw was a manhwa with SO much wasted potential…it could’ve delivered such a masterclass on healing and mental recovery. I wasn't even asking for a miracle, literally just something engaging enough to read!
Clearly, I just expected way more than what this manhwa is actually capable of delivering, and honestly, it is what it is. I’m not throwing a fit, I’m just sharing my opinion that I’m disappointed and that’s totally valid.

Agreed! I love this but would've loved it even more if they had maintained the tone. Like, the season opening was a banger. Was anticipating a lot. Today's update wasn't as bad as the last tho. Still feels a kinda light-hearted, yeah.

That’s exactly what I meant. I just expected the season to take a more… I wouldn’t say darker, but maybe more serious direction from the start? I was hoping they wouldn’t have Mok and Nanjo meet again until Mok had actually come to terms with the fact that, in his current state, he doesn’t deserve Nanjo, that the way he loves him isn’t healthy, and that he genuinely needs to work on himself and become a better person if he wants the kind of love and acceptance he’s longing for.

I just wanted Mok to heal because he acknowledged his own mistakes and flaws and genuinely wanted to change, rather than Nanjo’s love being the only thing that "heals" him without him going through some actual process of self-reflection or recovery first.
But maybe the author is going to explore all of that as the story progresses, just in a much lighter way than I expected. Idk
And honestly, I don’t get why people get so pressed whenever someone shares a different interpretation or idea. At the end of the day, we’re all reading the same manhwa because we like it. Nobody’s here trying to drag the work or say it’s bad or anything. We’re literally just discussing it （￣へ￣）

And it's pretty nice to have in-depth discussions like this!! I've been saying this from the beginning- only people with emotional maturity should read this as to not reduce it down to a story revolving around threesomes... It's sexy as hell AND an important part that's actually significantly tied to the plot, hello!!?

I genuinely agree with everything you have pointed out and would've loved to see how the characters were processing the catastrophic ending of S1 (which we get a from Mokyeon's POV only to take a nose dive). From how Nanjo was in today's update, I feel that MAYBE he is going to start being protective of Mokyeon (as he is very clearly in a vulnerable state) in the way he was of Sunhwa because he thought Sunhwa needed it. Not with the same intensity yet, but I think that might be one of the ways he'll actually stick by Mokyeon's side and maybe that's the exhibit the author is taking. Not sure yet. But first, please, Mokyeon needs HELP.

FR, not everyone is mentally prepared to get how deep this manhwa actually is on a psychological level! Like, even if the author doesn't fully lean into it, the fact that these characters are literally walking psychiatric cases is reason enough for us to have deep breakdowns and to feel let down when the plot takes an unexpected turn.
Calling this manhwa a "dark comedy"?? I was genuinely shocked, like... ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I haven't seen a single drop of comedy in this whole story..except maybe the burger chapter in S1 and the last two chs of S2, and honestly, I don't even count those as comedy. They're just light, low-stakes filler panels.

S1 was entirely built on a toxic threesome (which is inherently unhinged to begin with), two tops with massive miscommunication that spiraled into blackmail and coercion (not assault in the literal sense, but physical encounters with zero genuine consent).
Then Mok took his desperate craving for Nanjo's body and his exposed vulnerability behind that cold demeanor, and twisted it into a full-blown obsessive fixation and stalking; tightening the leash on Nanjo with escalated threats.
Meanwhile, Nanjo is a top used to be a straight guy stuck in absolute denial about his own submission, carrying a massive savior complex with a total mystery-box personality where you never know what he’s actually thinking.

Then S2 kicks off super dark and painful, serving us Mok’s tragic backstory, showing his mental, physical, and psychological spiral, his unhealthy obsession... only to culminate in a suicide attempt, and then resetting right back to square one with the desperate stalking.
How am I supposed to view this as just some lighthearted dark comedy?! The character writing here is so deep and fully deserves proper analysis. I have every right to feel disappointed when it suddenly pivots into a fluffy, lighthearted vibe and starts thawing the ice between them without giving Mok any REAL character growth.
I need his healing arc to actually involve him owning up to his mess, paying the price, and actively fighting through therapy…not just an apology and a mental breakdown, if you catch my drift.

And honestly, I think your theory is spot on! Nanjo might actually start trying to understand Mok properly now, especially since he’s doubting his past judgment of him. Seeing how frail Mok is both mentally and physically, he’ll probably start sympathizing with him in his own way.

Exactly I loved the depth of the characters in- they're all their own person, shaped by their experiences (as we see with Mokyeon) and it's beautiful. I've been really excited for this as I started reading this without any expectations and realised the depth of things a few chapters in everything is so bland and robotic and stiff these days. The dark comedy comment was so funny I burst out laughing. Just because the characters are sometimes casual or having a light moment doesn't make it as much as a dark comedy as the plot is making it a deep, psychological series. It's actually more of the latter than the former than it could ever be...

The over-saturation of mindless, repetitive tropes in the bl scene is desensitizing so many readers. They're a form of brainrot. Well, anyway. I can't tell if I want to see Nanjo's pov. On one hand, I AM interested in what he's thinking. On the other, I feel like the way the tone has shifted, we might get a silly pov which would entirely ruin the character Nanjo's established himself as so far. And also! So agree that an apology isn't cutting it! He needs to get better...

tbh, BL tropes these days have gotten so insufferably stale and hollow. Everything just relies on mindless smut and toxic dynamics for cheap views. Even though this manhwa was built on a purely sexual premise from the jump, it actually gave us real psychological depth and human nuance..which is exactly why I put my hopes so high.

And about Nanjo’s POV? Yeah, count me out too. If the author drops his POV right now, it’s just gonna be him realizing his feelings are shifting towards Mok and lowkey accepting that he’s falling for him. We’re definitely not getting the deep psychological or intellectual insight we could’ve had back in S1.
What I actually want is a backstory reveal showing what triggered his savior complex in the first place. Just dive into his past traumas, not his current play-by-play thoughts on the situation. Honestly, I’ve already accepted that the whole manhwa is anchored in Mok’s perspective anyway.