People complain about them a lot, nowadays readers use the argument that "a nice person= a boring one" and that justify their liking/defending of ass** and toxic characters.
The only thing he did wrong was not having a discussion alone with MC, they really needed to have, at least, three hours of conversation on their first meeting. I saw people mentioning that they hate him because he hit MC, I know violence is never an option to made, but he did it because MC offer him to be sex buddies and that was actually pretty insulting to their previous love (MC is not at fault because he was desperate but even him realized that what he said was wrong)
I don't want to start an argumment just want people to see that the setting is not different from the common omegaverse stories where the alpha use his pheromones to make the uke submit to his desires.
Yeah you’re right, except it was the omega this time that used their pheromones so.. but yes
yeah, and the uke wasnt forced to mate with the seme lol, the uke kinda took the first moves to initiate the sex
He wasn't obligated to be neither his psychiatrist or his hero. He tried his best when he was younger, he was there for him and forgave every bad thing he did just like some of you want him to do again, but it didn't work out and after the final wound Jihyun made on him, he decided that it was the end of them, they weren't suit to be together. Who was the one that started the toxic cicle again? Who was the one that didn't regret a single thing?
Also it's 2020 already, stop saying "victim of the circumstances" to justify him for doing rape.
I'm pretty amazed at how much some readers wanted the rapist to be together with his victim. A victim that wasn't obligated to feel the same as him or to be "ok let's go out, I forgive everything you did to me"
It's one thing to feel that he can change, can grow up and also find a new love and maybe the author can show that. But, it's disgusting how some are glorifying his attitude and actions by claiming he was the only character the cared for, the only character they liked?
The most horrible comment I saw was someone saying how they wanted Chiwoo to lose his memories so they could be friends again. What's wrong with you people?!
Hey, I totally agree with you, but you should keep in mind that there are actually a lot of Yaoi mangas where the rapist ends up with the victims. So, maybe that’s why there were so many fans that shipped chiwoo with that guy. Every one has different opinions and preferences. Overall, the ending was fitting and the author did a great job.:)
PERIODTTTT
This is a long comment.
I do know about those mangas, I have read novels and mangas with the ending you mention and being honest I will still read them in the near future even if they are bad (lately I have been keen on scum gongs novels), so I'm not judging people for the type of manga they read. But there's a difference with those mangas/novels and this one in particular, they never get serious with rape or abuse. You have to acknowledge that after being raped the victim never gets/show a trauma and in fact they are the one searching/pursuing the rapist. A lot of famous mangas started with this topic and never admitted that what happened was rape, the only one that did it is Hidoku Shinaide. One volume only manga and old school mangas fit with this too.
So even if i find them infuriating I mostly only blame myself for having a little hope on them, for getting upset when I knew what I would get of them, and in the weird case I blame the author for ruining their own story (when the story could've been different but they choose the easy route for the protagonists to get together)
But in this one, it's pretty obvious since the beginning how uncomfortable Chiwoo is with just a memory of Jihyun. In the firsts chapters he was unwilling to make friends due to their past, he trows up after being kissed by him, he gets scared and anxious when the other is near him. The guy puts him on edge every time he shows up yet people still thought this will be the same as those mangas? He has PTSD with the guy, he said no, stop again and again but people still shipped them? Since the start it the theme the manhwa was about was showing the consequences of their past for Chiwoo and he gets on track again (for me it was kinda clear Kyujin was end game too or that at least the importance in his role for the new life Chiwoo desired).
I know that everyone has their own preferences but after all that I explained I feel that maybe if Jihyun really regretted his actions and changed I would understand why they still tought Chiwoo would forgive him? But the only reason he got back was to threaten the guy and to repeat his actions again. And still people call him likeable? There are antiheros but this guy is not one.
So I was disgusted at how people pinned the wrong expectections on the story when it was a more mature and even a kinda realistic portrayal of the commom events in yaoi mangas since it first chapter, their comments made me wonder if they really read the manga or if they just were by for a ship. (those comments about Chiwoo losing his memories were the worst though)
I don't even hope anything bad to Jihyun, I even hope that the auhtor shows how Jihyun finally realizes how bad he was,how he grows up and maybe a how he finds a new love without being obsessed with it. I just don't get people that wanted them to be together after everything that was shown.
Sorry for my grammar mistakes!
I was re-reading Heeso-Dojun chapters, and I might be reaching to Atlantis but I think it was vaguely stated that Dojun's interest in Heeso (since he is a beta) was the reason behind his bussiness. Also in the same chapter when Heeso's dad tells him to said something to Dojun and it was "Congratulations" that happened in Dojun's wedding.
(I tried to post this earlier when I wasn't logged in but couldn't)
You are correct. I think the wife found out why Dojun started the business and thats why they divorced
Yo so indirectly Heeso was responsible for the divorce.
I have no idea it was on Dojun's wedding.. thanks!
I'm gonna be shameless but everytime I read this I can't help but think of a danmei novel called "Waiting For You Online", so I recommend this novel for anyone who likes this webtoon and maybe wants to read something similar...
can you give me a link? Is it completed?
I'm gonna read this webtoon simply because of this comment now xD
Hello, this is the link https://ayyshadowtrans.wordpress.com/novels/wfyo/
Sadly it isn't completely translated but it has already 50 chapters in English
Ahaha maybe you would like it, the premise is alike but not too similar.
TYSM It's okay
I will wait for the new updates
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Half of the story is fluffy, while halg is angsty because of the mom xD my friend is the one translating that
Tell them that I'm really grateful for their work!
And yes! I did some MTL of it and got sad at the angst part, but it end well and it's a happy ending too.
I'm sorry taht I'm just seeing this now.
Nobody is saying you can't ship JaewonxJunseo even if they don't end up together. But when you read a story, even if it's not something to take that serious you should be able to understand and look the story in itself.
It's natural to support one character more than others? Yes it is, it happens all the time, all humans probably feel the closest with those person with whom we understand, have empathy and feel more realted to. I have feel the same countless of time, but there's a difference between that and being that close offf to all other character and plot that you don't see the progress the story had and the influence it has in your favorite character.
You guys have a good point, Karam character wasn't that developed, but at the same time he isn't someone close to Jaewon to do so and it's not the first time a love interest gets limited to MC vision of them. It happens all the time because we see them through MC eyes, if MC knows more about them then we do too, otherwise the mistery and excitement we are suppose to feel over them feeling the same towards MC after the later has chase them wouldn't be the same.
++ But throught the chapters we can see in a subtle way that Karam feelings start to change and get to the point of last chapter when he thought he was being coward towards jaewon's confession.
Junseo is different, he is Jaewon friend and most important his love confident (this marks the difference between him and jaeehe). That's why we get to know more about him, because he must be in direct contact with the mc feelings and strugle while being in charge of being an adviser. They becoming friends was natural, you guys focused on junseo too much that have completely forgot that jaewon was a great friend to him, their friendship was never one sided like you guys make it look
Now, what I have noticed is that all junseoxjaewon shippers can come towards this point (karam) but don´t get to the most simple point in all the story, talking about those who have had read the raws and know where the story ending is heading, Jaewon feelings for Junseo aren't the same. Junseo is his dearest friend but his feeling arent romantic. Why am I saying this? because for people that like to use Karam being a mistery as a plot hole, you should see and accept that after all the chapters, if the author had made them the ending couple that would have been the biggest plot hole in the webtoon. Junseo development would only be related to this if between his story we could appreciate jaewon changing how he feels, but that's doesn't happen so I don't understand why you guys think that he being deveopment it autimatically means that they would end together, no when we never see jaewon giving up. But if this was the encould care less about sense and will be happy, right?
Does junseo deserves happines? OF course he does, so me pointing this and all the other pople that have done the same (in a respectful way) aren't hating on him or you for liking him, but you guys have taking this to an extreme were a simple comment stating they like Karam, KaramxJaewon or that they are happy for this outcome gets downvotes inmediately, but comments stating they only care for junseo, calling the author and story bad (and more) just because you don't like the ending get praise.
I'm well prepared for downvotes and elegants messages such as "shut the fuck off".
Gj with ur comment, I really agree w everything u said
He could easily be the MC of a rebirth story