I wanna know who tf lied to me bc I kept seeing this online and how great it is....I started at chapter 1 to 9 and skipped around.
I love a toxic bl when there's good angst. But wtf was this?!?
I skipped around to get the story going and every other chapter is just them fucking and Nan calling himself pathetic but still pinning and loving the emotionless, no personality, punkass CEO. He spent a good 5-10 chapters still fucking the CEO after he quit. Maybe in the 10-15 chapters I skipped there was some substance there but I highly doubt it.
I still do not know who the hell these characters are bc most of the chapters were just a repeat of the same thing OVER AND OVER. Emotionless CEO fucks him and shows some kind sides of himself but STILL no personality traits I can even detect. While Lee is repeatedly obsessed with CEO's looks, drooling over him and crying internally bc its unrequited. He also just keeps on saying he's pathetic but chooses to sleep with the CEO every single time. He's self aware--but that's it.
I do not know what people find compelling or entertaining about this manhwa. The pacing is god awful. The story is just repeat on repeat but lacks actual progress in the story. The characters are stagnant--never growing. Could've shortened this from 60 ch to 20 and nobody would notice.
I used to be great before the hiatus now it's jackshit
I'm so upset when I saw the 13th chapter was the end. I felt in my gut that this was gonna be a good one and a long manhwa. This ruined my day. There was SOO MUCH THEY COULD'VE EXPLORED with 2 green flags and omegaverse being a new concept. What. The. Fuck.
This surprised me by being so dark and focused on the crime and mystery aspect of the story. The vague mystery surrounding why Satoe did what she did was also interesting along with this question of whether Miwa even actually had the ability they claimed he did. The only problem I had with this story was Yoshiomi being so accepting of the sexual intercourse with Norito when he has been so sexually abused since he was a child. I actually would've preferred the sex to either be at the very end or omitted altogether bc the story itself sufficed. I'm surprised about the sex considering this author's other work "Palace of the Omega" bc they omitted sex between the main characters until one of them was legally an adult.
i agree. i liked the story but it really rubbed me the wrong way how unrealistic yoshiomi’s response was…
I actually dropped this a long time ago bc translations were all over the place. I appreciate all the hard work in translating but as a reader, can someone let me know if these translations are in the right order, particularly after chapter 24 official chapters? And may I ask what happened to the official translations?
they're in the right order if you follow the chapter numbers. after official chapter 24 is chapter 25 until 41.
If you scroll a bit youll find a section labeled chapters, from there you wanna scroll all the way down to the bottom and start reading where it says official chapter 1, it doesnt break until chapter 15 so you gotta go back to chapters and press the labeled chapter volume 3 chap 16 for officials chapter 16 from then on there is no break so you can read smoothly until the latest chapter posted by Jasper aint jaspering! Which is chap 41. And about officials I'm not sure what happened but keep in mind we are reading on a pirated website and to even read officials here it means someone else is spending their own money and risking copyright law uploading it here, so its either you buy officials yourself or you read whatever is available here
kinda mature but there's a guide now uploaded in the chapters on here!!
Oh thank you! I do understand that on a pirated website, asking for officials is sorta a no go but usually when enough time has passed, someone eventually does upload it for the sake of accurate translations and better quality. I just wasn't sure if the translation was accurate so was just asking.
According to Someone's summary of novel spoilers, it was never really revealed how Aeroc came to lose his entire empire and riches but slightly hinted at. But here we see Kloff planned it all AND Wolflake was the catalyst. BRO he aint better than Kloff. From what I understand in an AU, Wolflake is supposed to be with Rapiel but like bruh. He not only told Kloff what happened but ALSO gave him his own servant to help him exact revenge.
I get it, Kloff is an asshole but that doesn't make Aeroc an angel. And to those who said he didn't love Rapiel and used Rapiel as an excuse. It lowkey aint looking like that in this POV chapter. He admits he mocked Aeroc while in the relationship but he's wholeheartedly more focused on revenge and making Aeroc suffer. Its slightly more complicated than that but everybody just keeps saying he only loved Aeroc and he did only to dominate Aeroc, which isn't entirely true. Why is there no nuance when ppl are reading?
Kloff did not love Raphael. He cared for him, but he did not love him. This is confirmed by him literally raping aeroc (who the hell rapes and impregnates the person who had a part in their spouses death), and in the third timeline. I won’t spoil unless asked.
First timeline Kloff knew about Aeroc's affections and mocked and flaunted his relationship with Raphiel to make him jealous and somewhat ridiculize him for having feelings like that for another alpha. FT.Kloff was very prejudiced about alphas being together and denied his feelings and attraction towards Aeroc. But he really loved him that's way it's very hard to digest how he could have done all the things he did and never feel a hint of remorse. Not until the end of his life while Aeroc lived with the guilt as he should until he died.
Kloff love is mixed with hate for Aeroc and for himself. It's very complex and imprinting in this universe really is a very dangerous thing.
spoil me plis
oops I meant to downvote
Please do spoil. I read the novel spoliers and it was Kloff's regression unless that person was wrong. You see everyone keeps saying he did not love Rapiel but one wouldn't go that far to destroy someone else just bc he cared for Rapiel. This can be interpreted as such bc he rapes Aeroc but not confirmed. He rapes Aeroc bc he has very complicated feelings of wanting revenge, yet also dominating him. and winning. I never said he didn't love Aeroc, I just mean its possible for him to have loved Rapiel and yet still develop attraction and twisted love/affection for Aeroc. There's pletny of ppl who would prob rape and impregnate just to "gain back" the child they lost.
I know the whole point is that he is prejudiced and his mixed feelings and behavior towards Aeroc showed that. However I find it very hard to believe or understand the imprinting and omegaverse rules as I've said before. There is very little explanation of how this world works and how imprinting works. How is the imprinting dangerous. Others have replied and said Kloff is just an aggressive person and that has nothing to do with imprinting. Beats me bc its never explained or even hinted strongly at.
pls spoil
“There's pletny of ppl who would prob rape and impregnate just to "gain back" the child they lost.” I definitely disagree with this, the only time someone would do this is if they had sexual motivation, which Kloff had. Most people (99.9%) would simply torture and kill the people involved, not rape them.
It is confirmed Kloff does not love Raphael because he says it himself. In the third timeline, Kloff only remembers a “vague freshness” about Raphael and feels guilty since he feels he played a part in his death. He tries his best to stay away from Raphael, and focuses his time and energy on seducing aeroc since their first meeting was absolutely horrible in the third timeline. (Kloff thought it was still the first timeline and attacked aeroc when he saw him, saying a bunch of crazy things).
The third timeline is Kloffs regression. With aeroc being the narrator with no memory, and kloff being the ml with his memory.
While it's true that it has being barely mentioned as it is, there has been hints of the subject of imprinting and how that affects both alpha and omega, being the alpha's the ones who suffers more disadvantages. Maybe it's a novel spoiler but in the next timeline the consequences of imprinting will be more obvious.
Why I say it's dangerous and presents disadvantages on alphas? Because, like in many other works, the bond is for life and the fall from the bond will inflict more psychological and physical changes, like Kloff coughing up blood or his unstable behavior. Not to mention his constant hallucinations, his growing obsession for revenge and make Aeroc's life hell but at the same time he longs for Aeroc. His intensified hate and lust for him are always in conflict too His mental health deteriorated everytime he saw some kind of rejection by FT. Aeroc because of the imprinting and he mostly acted violently because it was easier for him to act on spite and anger than recognizing that he is actually attracted to his wife's murdered.
I'm not undermining that he could be feeling like that because of grief and trauma but second timeline actually shows flashbacks of FT. Kloff, his feelings and thoughts, and they were all connected to Aeroc and how he truly felt about him; call it love, hate, guilt, etc. ST. Kloff doesn't believe in those dreams being more than just that but he recognizes the intensity of those emotions as something he couldn't explain well and that it kept attracting him to Aeroc, until he had a conversation with Martha about bonding which marks the beginning of him (and us readers) being aware of that aspect of the relationship.
And because that bond is for life, if the omega dies before the alpha and the symptoms are that extreme, it gets very difficult for the alpha to go on with his life. Later it will be mentioned that, for many, imprinting is like a curse. He only survived for his children and when they rejected him, the deterioration of his mental health finally got him hallucinating and killed.
The rules of omegaverse changes depending on the author and while imprinting doesn't fully justify Kloff's or Aeroc's actions, it did amplified them enormously. I hope that this subject gets cleared when the third timeline drops because it's gonna explain a lot about the first one and everyone's actions.
About this... 'There's pletny of ppl who would prob rape and impregnate just to "gain back" the child they lost.'
While there has been cases where rape had anything to do with sexual motivations or desire, like power dynamics or like in times of war is about control and cultural imperialism; raping someone is a decision, and action where one part abused their power in this very violent and particular way, resulting into a traumatic, damaging experience. It is a crime even if it's inflicted into another criminal.
If Kloff took that decision was because he wanted to inflict as much damage as he could to Aeroc. He tricked him since the beginning, he turned into an omega against his will and forcefully impregnated him and never let him see his children. He abused him and violated him again and again until Aeroc went suicidal. One can say he really took his time to plan his revenge and make Aeroc suffer like he said was suffering but the original motive got lost in the process. It was no longer about Raphiel but for himself and his conflicted feelings for Aeroc.
That's actually been researched and a lot of the times, rape is not with sexual motivation but rather power and dominance. I cant say much for the third timeline as it is not out yet. I know it is a Kloff's regression but I guess I would pose the possibility that technically these are alternate timelines and what they feel in each one is not necessarily exactly how they felt in the other timelines, unless it is a direct flashback.
Yes I saw the very little lore that Martha dropped about the omegaverse. The question still remains as to how much does the bond/imprinting affect Kloff's aggression. I've heard some argue it is bc of the bond/imprinting that makes him that aggressive and heard some argue that he is originally just an aggressive person.
Yes. Kloff has a temper, like the second timeline showed. The imprinting only amplified all that and created new physical and psychological symptoms. If the manhwa does it right, that would be showed in the third timeline.
"I guess I would pose the possibility that technically these are alternate timelines and what they feel in each one is not necessarily exactly how they felt in the other timelines, unless it is a direct flashback." It's not even a flashback; it's a regression, meaning "return to original state". The Kloff in timeline 3 is the same Kloff who decided to torture and rape Aeroc.
"That's actually been researched, and a lot of the times, rape is not with sexual motivation but rather power and dominance." I got confused between motivation and desire. I guess this is more a matter of opinion, but for me, Kloff had sexual desire for Aeroc, while also wanting to inflict harm and dominance all at once. You hear Kloff saying things like “How are you so beautiful to be a devil” and stuff like that, talking about his outward appearance not matching his insides as he's rapeing him and inflicting harm. To argue that he did it to “gain back his child” is severely flawed.
“There’s plenty of ppl who would prob rape and impregnate just to ‘gain back’ the child they lost.” You cannot “gain back” a specific child by impregnating someone else; a new pregnancy creates an entirely different child with a different identity, genetics, and circumstances. It further misunderstands both grief and sexual violence: grief does not cause rape; it is not a coping mechanism for loss. Even if someone is traumatized, trauma does not explain, justify, or predict sexual violence. There is also no known documentation of someone rapeing and impregnating someone because they killed their child; there is, however, parents killing their child's killer. Kloff’s decision to rape was purely for selfish reasons, nothing else.
The raping and impregnating to gain back a child is a direct quote from Kloff himself. Ppl who are twisted will want to "gain back" a child which like you said is impossible. My point wasn't whether that was a logical reasoning but rather a direct quote and one of the reasons he went on to abuse and rape Aeroc. I was arguing that it was more complex than just him lusting after Aeroc which as you said, he hated him, yet was attracted to him as well. I wasn't pointing out that he ONLY raped him to gain a child out of him. And I misspoke but when I mean plenty of ppl I wasn't necessarily thinking of real life but rather fiction world--tv shows, books, manga, etc.
And actually Idk your credentials on dictating coping mechanisms for grief but grief can come out in many forms. For example, ppl can become more sexually promiscuous as a coping mechanism when there is grief involved. I won't say I have done a ton of research but grief and trauma can do so many things to ppl that we don't fully understand.
Some things are a direct flashback like one of these recent chapters and that was what I was referring to. Idk what the actual 3rd timeline is. One could argue whether a person is the same person bc they have the same memories or are they diff people bc of the choices they make. Just a philosophical rhetorical question that anybody can have an opinion on but doesn't have a concrete answer on.
"For example, ppl can become more sexually promiscuous as a coping mechanism when there is grief involved." That is a common thing; no one argued it isn't. However, what is not normal and should never be normalized is treating ‘grief’ as a reason for someone raping or be sexually violent toward another person. While someone might claim they committed rape because they were grieving, that explanation does not hold up morally, psychologically, or legally. Grief may explain changes in personal behavior, but it does not explain, justify, or excuse sexual violence against others, and it certainly would not be accepted as a defense in court. Tho you could argue its yaoi logic, im still calling bowl when kloff claims to rape aeroc out of "grief".
When I first started reading this from Season 1, I looked up novel spoilers that had summaries for all 3 parts. I have been gravely misled. I was led to believe that Kloff exacted his revenge on Aeroc precisely bc of what Aeroc did to Raphael and of course he had mixed feelings for him as well. But according to some readers of the novels, that isn't the case. He apparently never loved Raphael which makes things worse. If that is true, Idk why the author would do that...
For me personally, I like to interpret it as Kloff was conflicted bc Aeroc was an alpha and yes he was attracted to him but he also grew to love Raphael. When Raphael was murdered, he lost all sense of logic and sanity and wanted to get revenge. But his complicated feelings for Aeroc including attraction, messed up affection, longing, and hatred for what he did results in the aftermath we see.
Now for this current season, I really don't like how clear Kloff remembers the past life and how exaggerated both his and Aeroc's reactions are...There isn't enough nuance to even speculate how much Kloff remembers or how his character is diff from the past. In fact, we just heard his awful subconscious thoughts and it just makes me think he hasn't changed at all.
Lastly, I will say this ALWAYS, the omegaverse rules have never been explained. I only know this from comments and the little bit of lore they drop which is supposedly, the way bonding works, isn't necessarily through a bite and the alpha or omega can be unaware. When they are separated, it pains them so physically, it can cause vomitting of blood or decline in health. Also it is not explicitly explained or conveyed to readers that if I'm correct, bonding makes the alpha incredibly possessive to the point of aggression like toxic aggression of wanting to keep the person chained to you.
If the lore was more explicitly explained and conveyed, I feel readers might've been more receptive to the way Kloff acts but regardless I think it is overboard. Contrary to popular opinion, I have the biggest problem with how the author chose to deal with the trauma in this 2nd season rather than all the rape, abuse and torture from the first season.
Well, when you look at how Kloff acts in all 3 timelines its clear that Raphiel is a replacement for Aeroc. Characters mentioning how much he looks like Aeroc is intentional. Its never the other way around. If Kloff had any real attraction to Raphiel he couldve married him easily in this timeline, but he didnt. Plus Raphiel has a true pair so I think the author wanted to avoid any messiness with that.
Kloff isnt supposed to remember anything from the first timeline so there's no reason for us to expect him to change. The past life he's remembering he thinks of as a ludicrous dream.
The bonding is not what makes Kloff possessive and aggressive, Kloffs personality was already like that, and since he had that dream of his past life where he went to the extreme he's subconsciously acting from that.
I think the story would be bogged down if everything were explained flat out as there's enough context clues and discussions surrounding the omegaverse in this story that you can get a good enough idea of whats going on.
Oh I knew Raphiel was a replacement for Aeroc from the very beginning. However, the insinuation that he never loved Raphiel at all puts a much darker and unsavory outlook on Kloff's motivations in the first timeline. As I said, this is based off novel reader/commenters who said he never loved Raphiel in the first timeline. Personally I interpret it as he did have feelings for Raphiel as well as for Aeroc. The scene where Raphiel is dying and Kloff's immense heartbroken reaction tells us just that.
As for Kloff changing, I may have misspoken but the whole point of 3 diff timelines I would assume is for characters to act differently and as a result different outcomes would come about. Here in the 2nd timeline, you can say bc Aeroc knew about his poor investment choices from the previous life, he sought out Kloff's advice and therefore, resulted in them getting closer and being unable to resist the attraction towards each other.
From just reading the first season, I just assumed Kloff was not an inherently violent man, which is why I said I thought he would be different in the 2nd timeline. Again, it was hinted at that he did what he did bc of what Aeroc did to his mate along with some complicated feelings towards Aeroc,
Again, from commenters, I remember someone mentioning he was so aggressive and possessive bc of the bonding. Idk how accurate it is bc now I've heard both opinions. I find it realistic to believe it to be bc of bonding precisely bc we know so little about omegaverse rules here AND in both timelines, it is told to us that he has bonded to Aeroc and in both cases has become possessive and aggressive.
Other things don't need to be explained but omegaverse rules I think should be more explicitly conveyed if it is so different to your typical rules. I wouldn't have a problem with it tbh had I not read a comment suggesting bonding = aggression.
Reminder that Kloff is shown to regularly go out and beat people in the slums, so yes I'd say he's always been an aggressive person. Also Raphiel broke off the relationship in the 2nd timeline because of Kloff showing his violent side off.
Oh I didn't realize that. I assumed it was bc of the flashbacks from Raphiel getting raped and beaten as well as Aeroc that made his subconscious self go out to inflict harm in the slums. For the 2nd timeline, I thought Raphiel broke it off bc he realized Kloff was infatuated/in love with Aeroc.
you might wanna reread those parts then.
I did specifically read the part where Raphiel broke off with Kloff and yes he was appalled by how brutally he attacked the other person but the ultimate reason was bc he saw Kloff was clearly in love with Aeroc. He literally says in an inner dialogue about how Kloff was so focused on Aeroc and how he doesn't want a man in love with someone else. It was stated that Raphiel's father broke the engagement off bc of Kloff's assault, not necessarily bc Raphiel was scared. The regular outing to beat ppl in the slums, I can't answer for that. I never meant that Kloff was a good person but it seems ppl only view him in a bad light without the right context.
I know the glossing over the brother molesting/raping Miyabi was a bad move. I thought the author would do something more with it. But other than that aspect, I think the author did well on the growth and new obstacles Miyabi and Haruto face. The hard questions like, what even is a family? How does or will he even know how to love? The author really focused on Miyabi learning to communicate, be unsure of the future, and learning to be more independent. That was good aspect to dig into but it did fall a little short. This could've been a whole 5-6 volumes to develop and go through Miyabi's trauma even more closely.
I've read a TON of manhwas/mangas with toxic stories. And this is far from it. I feel like ppl just read and only read from the POV of the MC and not at all the entire picture. Sure nowadays, most BLs aren't that original. We've got the contractual fake relationship. the thirsty, sexually charged ML who isn't that nice, the realization of love afterwards, blah blah blah. This already has gotten creative by having the MC and ML's motivation be different from usual plotlines. PLUS technically, ML and MC are on equal grounds. Both are chaebols who have a ton of money.
But ppl out here really be thinking this ML is a red flag. Ooof, even without comparing him to other MLs, he shows actual logical thinking. To him, Yigon's reputation is AWFUL. He has no reason to trust this lunatic, spouting crazy nonsense who doesn't even have a credible reputation. He told his assistant to background check him. He's slightly confused why Yigon is saying one thing but his reputation is the complete opposite.
As for his sexual tendencies, that's like THE MOST COMMON way authors like to portray their MLs. A little forceful, more domineering, rough, rapey. Yea I said it. The more common fetishes are rapey inclinations. On an objective level, of course, its wrong. Esp in the beginning, Yigon is very RELUCTANT but willing to do so for his life, and its wrong. But later on, he's more willing. Ppl always harp on what the ML says like "If you fainted, it would turn me on so much" BRUH that's just dirty talking. You guys acting like he some monster.
As for his actions, I saw a few kind/sweet moments from him. He still treated Yigon decently. But yea he is sorta an asshole but a typical one. Not a black flag/red flag, totally dont give a shit about you person. He even offered to introduce Yigon to a psychiatrist bc he truly believed Yigon was delusional. Regardless, I'm still excited for what's to come bc I truly cannot predict what will happen--and that is whats really rare for this medium.
I feel like the diff timelines should've been approached differently? I know all the spoilers based on the novels and I feel like the author should've kept the timelines more individualistic as in making the outcome the results of their behaviors and not on some arbitrary fate. Like Aeroc being an omega no matter the timeline. That's fine. It's just the author pushing this idea that most big plot points don't change which sorta contradicts the idea of diff timelines. I also think this chapter was really a big miss. Kloff is remembering WAY TOO MANY details about the previous life and they seem to be talking it out now, which doesn't really make sense.
I gave this a chance bc ppl claimed it was a masterpiece and so wonderfully well written. I have to say, I got quite confused esp due to the pacing and timeline. The chapters are a little all over the place esp with it not revealing how much time has passed until something happens and the characters just go ahead and say it out loud. One chapter they've gotten back to the island, and the next they solve the orcs situation and live on the side. Then all of a sudden Ilse is dead but apparently its been DECADES since. I would've appreciated a "10 years later" title or at least more physical change in appearances to show the passage of time.
The issue with the orcs was sorta forgotten and then followed up a few chapters later. Jonak's and Adain's relationship was glossed over a lot through many decades that was only broken down into a couple of chapters. It didn't feel like they truly understood each other. It didn't translate the true love for me bc of the lack of showing and expanding their relationship. The don't sleep together for what appears to be decades and then decades later (a chapter later) they talk about it like huh? You've been together for how many decades and slept apart for how many years? AND didn't talk about it for how many years?
The whole Anne arc with Adain's brother came out of left field. Like what? Wasn't this Anne the supposed Shultz family member who had a set goal in mind to remove the rules and get rid of this role that has her family in a chokehold? Tbh it wasn't explained that well what her ambitions were unless someone can give me a clearer explanation. But my question is how tf did she go from "eliminating the tilt of justice towards rank" to "straying off the path" and setting up orcs to be female human kidnappers and using magic to make it fatal for orcs to give birth... like how does that achieve her dumbass goal? What? she just gave up and chose to ruin it for everybody too?
Overall the lore was interesting but the execution left much to be desired. With this much lore and this much content, it should've been way longer than only 2 volumes (12 chapters) to truly dive into the topics it wanted to touch on.