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Go read jinx and stfu all that porn is rotting your brain

I love your pfp :')

why are you admitting you're racist lmao

Stop groveling over a cancelled manhwa (rightfully so), because atp this is just giving fetishizing. Honestly be glad the author took accountability and cancelled this and recognized their own ignorance because what was the thought process while serializing this? Slave x owner, really? And mind you, two things can be true at once. YES there are other horrible manhwas out there but YES this one by JAXX is very clearly problematic and blatantly racist. The manhwa's theme settings does not change the fact that the relationship dynamic is harmful, (opressed x opressor) because no amount of good writing will ever erase the years of torture, racism, and discrimination that slaves went through that still very much bleeds through the present time.

Ateeee

I feel like it could've been so good man. Honestly so dissapointed, we didn't even get past episode one?! I wish people could of held their judgements until at least the first few episodes which usually get released in bulk for new stories. And the way people are just throwing around accusations of racism for people making logical arguments in the comment sections here is crazy lol.

A whole lot nothing to say you're probably racist. Also blindly worshiping authors is cultists behavior

a whole lot of nothing to call it worshiping an author. It's not inherently racist to tell a fictional story set during a period of slavery. Why cancel the entire story when you could correct and inform the author, so they can correct the story/language used instead.

It's not inherently racist yes but the author literally admitted they did no research on this sensitive topic. Excuse what you want.. but don't act like you're taking the moral high ground

Nobody said it's inherently racist to tell a story set during slavery. The problem is how the story is told. When your protagonist is a slave owner's son who's portrayed as "one of the good ones," loses his wealth, frees his slave (not really cuz the way he did it in this story is not how slave are actually legally freed) and then gets treated like a saint by the very people his family enslaved, you're not really telling a story about slavery. You're telling a story about how noble a white character is. The issue is that the enslaved characters seem to exist mainly to validate the white protagonist's morality and nobody is obligated to "correct and inform" an author before criticizing their work. Readers are allowed to say a story is poorly written, historically tone-deaf, or built on racist tropes. Criticism isn't cancellation the author herself CHOSE to cancel it after hearing the criticism.

Haven't really excused anything as far as i've read my own comment.

For real… we can see bl with far eastern and European slavery but American? Oh nooo! Tf? We seen crazy tops literally fuck ppl to DEATH but this is where we draw the line?

How about they're all bad but Jaxx is the only author that actually listened to the criticism? Why do y'all always have to make it the oppression Olympics?

Exactly my thoughts
So we can never have a historic BL? And it even seemed to be accurate, she seemed to have done research
We don’t even know more about that character who showed up for a frame and already judging? This is embarassing for people

Not sure if you guys've read more of the chapters than I have, but where is the white guy being treated as a saint by the enslaved men? The story literally has one chapter, the story hasn't even begun or been told in any sort of way to give judgement of how the author writes (or would write) these difficult topics.

Of course we can talk about the fetishization of the master/slave relationship, being put in this very sore historical topic. And maybe I am desensitized by having grown up reading fanfics, but I am of the belief of "don't like, don't read", but in the realm of yaoi and BL... fetishization comes with the territory. Especially BL with smut. Like every title from this author.

He is literally glazed my the faceless slaves???

Exactly…
You’re right… can’t argue with those who have bananas for brains… they just keep repeating the words “racist” and “fetish” everywhere without making sound arguments

I love how y'all ignore everyone explaining the problem with this story

They literally thanked him and said their goodbyes and "by the way the cowhand is gonna arrive soon". I literally had to pull the chapter up again, because of your comment. I'm a bit astounded by how you view that interaction, to be honest.

Is it possible you guys have your guard up because of racism in the US?

You are genuinely blind atp

You are as well, my friend.

Although yes I do very much believe in "don't like, don't read" when it comes to being a fujoshi, do understand that when writing about a topic like this, it is bound to have some criticism. This isn't your average non-con or other dubious abnormal kinky shit, the settings of the manhwa takes place in a real place, and a real period of time in history. And also yes I do understand the fact that historic-based manhwas do infact exist and can be done right when depicted well, this manhwa isn't really the genre nor the era to be mixed together and come out ro be good.

Because with the fact that both character's dynamics is already harmful as is, making it a yaoi could make it seem trivial when we know for a fact that it isn't, considering the fact that it resulted in systemic dehumanization across to all people of color. And I mean let's face it, we knowwww how much the community loves to water down psychological tropes in bl manhwas what more a manhwa where the settings takes place in the 1800s? It doesn't matter to them if they don't like it, because people will still infact read it.

So what I'm trying to say is that writing about a sensitive topic is problematically contraversial and can inevitably cause harmful rhetoric if not heeded. So it's better for the author to learn to rake accountability and I hope people stop defending them so much

whoops my message cut off but anyway i hope i got my point across, it's 5am rn and my beain is fried

Btw , you're basing this all on one episode lmao

The episode that showed everything about the slavery

Everything? In one chapter? You don't think.... perhaps... it might of been explored further in the probably 80+ chapters we might have gotten? ╥﹏╥

I'm so tired of you dumbfucks. Using slavery as the backdrop of a SMUT aka PORN of a slave and his master IS RACIST AND INSENSITIVE GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SLOW ASS HEADS.

Racist? How? Does anyone in this comment section even know the definition of racism? And insensitive? Bro this is yaoi? I could pick out like 10 manhwas in weekly release that are so diabolically insensitive with all the rape and sinister shite and no one bats an eye, so for you to call it insensitive based on one episode is actually hilarious. How about in order to explore certain historical settings accurately in a story you have to sometimes portray parts of that time period that are difficult to digest because that's literally how history worked, and the story is confronting it head-on instead of pretending it didn't exist.

It's set right after the Civil War. Union vet MC comes home to dead family, frees every slave on the Illinois ranch in episode 1, and gives them most of his money. Boom—actual abolition on panel?!

That's not "white savior" or racist, you clowns—it's the exact opposite. He bankrupts himself doing the right thing immediately. Showing real post-war mess isn't endorsing shit; it's not turning history into your rainbow therapy fanfic safe space.

The mob that axed it after **one episode** is comedy gold. Y'all slurp graphic noncon, grooming, slavery harems, and demonic rape like it's gourmet "peak fiction " every week, but historical context + instant freeing makes you melt down? Touch grass, read a damn history book, and drop the selective pearl-clutching routine. If you only want zero-edge modern fluff, stick to that. Stop canceling ambitious stories just because reality hurts your delicate vibes. Pathetic.

I'm so tired of you ignorant assholes. How many times do BLACK PEOPLE AKA THE PEOPLE BEING AFFECTED need to tell you it's racist for you to get it through your thick ass skulls? It doesn't matter if you don't get it, YOURE NOT BEING AFFECTED ITS NOT YOUR TRAUMA ITS NOT YOUR PEOPLE GENOCIDE you don't get an opinion on this point blank period. It doesn't fucking matter that yaoi has been a shit ass genre since the beginning of time go flick your bean to something

Oh honey, I'm *actually* mixed African American, and I'm super fucking offended by your racist gatekeeping bullshit. How dare you assume my ethnicity and tell me I "don't get an opinion" on Black trauma while shitting on a story where the MC literally frees the slaves in episode one? You're out here gatekeeping opinions like some trauma Olympics referee, but can't handle basic history or the fact that yaoi's always been edgy as hell.

Go flick *your* bean to something sanitized and stop projecting your ignorance. "It's not your people" — newsflash, it is for me, and I still think your mob-canceling over one episode is pathetic as fuck. Learn the definition of racism before you scream it at everyone, you hypocritical clown.

What I am saying is that your identity doesn't magically make the criticism disappear. "The MC frees the slaves in episode one" is exactly part of the criticism. Framing a slave owner's son as the moral center because he does the bare minimum of freeing people his family enslaved is a classic white savior setup. That's the issue. And please stop pretending criticism is "mob canceling." The author herself decided to stop the series after reflecting on the feedback and saying she wasn't confident she could handle the subject with the sensitivity it deserved. Nobody dragged her out of her house and forced her to quit. And honestly stop pretending to be black

You the type of person to say proshipping is actually fighting against white supremacy

Hummm yes kinda

there’s a novel?

Kay loves Zigril and vice versa. Y'all just need to understand that zigril is not normal that's why he does alot of fcked up shit to kay and the people around him. However, Kay doesn't want to say his feelings out loud. I mean its pretty obv, zigril raped him and even got him pregnant. Kay isn't stupid like most manhwa readers think, bcs his thoughts were never given justice here compared to the novel.

Kay loves Zigril, but in book 1 he had no problem messing around with Zigril, and then leave when he gets bored. Because in kay's past relationships, his exes have always told him that Kay never truly loved them. "If you could marry and have a child with every woman you met then you do not truly love her" -Kay's exes. Kay also doesn't like to be inconvenienced, so when they broke up with him he never fought for the relationship, regardless of what he felt.

This is important because Zigril was the only one who refused to let him go. Another thing about Kay is that he's not weak, bro can fight and if he REALLY wanted out, he could. Zigril is just so strong so anyone next to him would look weak. The point is, Kay is exactly where he wants to be.

From the 2nd novel:
"In truth, the world would be better off without this man, but it was now difficult for him to imagine a world without Zigril, so he had no choice. Seeing himself conjuring up such terrifying words-"I can't live without Zigril"-Kei realized, with a pang of conviction, that he truly loved this man."

The reflection of Kay and Zigril in the mirror of targo:
"In the dimly lit mirror, Jigril and Kay were dimly reflected. Jigril and Kay were reflected in the mirror. Jigril and Kay were walking toward the gate. Jigril was reflected in Kay's place, and Kay was reflected in Jigril's place."

Spoilers too: Kay almost got depressed when Zigril mentioned a divorce. And near the end, when Kay thought Zigril was about to die, he cried and professed his love for zigril. They also have a second child, and the how it happened? Zigril just offered the flower to Kay and Kay took it willingly.

You're telling me that they actually have chemistry and not just zigril head over heels for kay and kay being sacred shitless about zigril

Thanks for the repley,was perfect

They do!! Unfortunately the manhwa didn't adapt kay's thoughts well enough so it just looks like he's terrified of zigril 24/7. He's pretty funny in the novel, even zigril. Specially when they had a "lovers quarrel"

there is one but very lowkey scene of hands action (just implied) but im happy the author went with that route i do hope we get the full course when they're adults already which is the case on the recent chapters

Pretty sure South korea has a law saying their anime and manhwa can't depict sexual imagery of minors so the author will obviously age them up yeah

Defo a shounen ai

Such a shame haha

But you need to consider the fact that they have been together for 7-8 years. Betas can turned out to be omegas if they are in contact with alphas 24/7 what we have seen here. So don’t judge the story is not that bad.

Im reading the story cause i like it? Im judging the trope -had sex one time-got pregnant,on top of him just manifesting

I mean, it was alright, he manifested at that moment and was in heat so it was possible to get pregnant. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧