oh calling him little brother is so sickening
I really desperately hope that was a translation mistake but I'm not sure
with the story being about these two guys who were supposed to be like brothers and the younger one wanting a brother i highly doubt it
i really don’t care about this piece of shit’s sob story i just want mc to get his revenge
Tell me one thing he did for your mediocre ass to call him a piece of shit. You rude have never read one story in your life and don't know what's what and go around calling everyone a piece of shit. Get some comprehension skills before reading next time
Maybe the rape and murder he’s commited idk maybe the fact that he’s literally a cruel piece of shit??
they read this story with their eyes closed I guess
Rape? Girl go read the story yourself. The uke approaches him first. Lose your pot for a few seconds before you start reading shit lol. And murder? Girly pop, it was literally king's orders. The way you average IQ girlies read stories is the funniest most entertaining thing to watch.
Rape???? Didn’t the mc offer himself to him so how is that rape ?
Dam he's a fictional character he's not gonna fuck u
Exactly, and sometimes people doesn't understand that it's set in quite distant past, if you went against the word of a ruler, you would be dead. And it would probably be painful death. Also, war change people, things he saw and had to do aren't small. I understand that noone likes to see violence, especially not in sexual acts, but this is story for grown up people, it's way more than the 2 of them just having sex (plus it's bl manhwa, how anyone expected vanila, loving and pure sex?!). The way people were risen and told what to do is a way different than in modern times. Wealthy ones with power possessed the poor. Poor ones weren't people but things, they were not able to have their voice in anything and were treated like livestock. So powerful person treating the slave the way he treats him isn't just because he's piece of shit or whatever but because it's what they did back in the day, it's what was normal to do. Not justifying it tho, just saying what's the reason behind certain behaviours. Same with POTN (I'm not saying Seungho didn't have his fair share of shit, I wanted to punch his so badly) but considering the time it's set in and social status of people, it's quite realistic. Noblemans didn't give a shit about lowlifes (aka more than half of the nation).
But the revenge is tied to the political intrigue in this flashback that led to that noble family's demise. Much more than a "sob story", it reveals the high stakes of Yeonjo's plan and the impossible future choices Hee-ryang will be forced to make. When he and his army attacked Yeonjo's family it was a move against a vulnerable child ruler. In contrast, Yeonjo on his own is planning to strike not just against Hee-ryang but the ascendant king. And Hee-ryang, although he's pretending otherwise, knows that his loyalty is already shaken. He knows Yeonjo's plot and should have killed him long ago. If the wrong person finds this out they can undermine his position with the current ruler which would leave both Hee-ryang and Yeonjo in grave danger.
This way of reading stories will lead you to have little critical thinking
Goodness gracious, the story would not be good if it's rushed, just wait for the author to lay out all the plot points, show each characters' inventions and shit.
Intentions*
Yeah revenge on someone who was just working - in a time where taking lives was the norm and common exchange. Knew it from the start that the story is biased coming from a single character's perspective. But of course, readers still fell for it.
When below average bitches like you have this lame ass comeback to when normal people try to put things in perspective, i just know what kind of person you are lol. Got 3 brain cells in inheritance, lost 2 already and the last one is fighting for its life
When normal ppl try 2 put things into perspective
YESSS this def makes sense bc I feel like the back story didn't have a sad heartbreaking air around it, it's more so (as u said) showing who we r dealing with and what at stake
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U brought nothing of actual essence into the convo, just spewing insults in these comments cuz ik damn well ur 2 scared to say this irl in case youd get yr ass beat. Ur losing urself on a manga website, dw we can all see what kind pussy U r
some of yall dick riding SO hard…. call me stupid for wanting the mass murderer dead i really don’t give a fuck LOL
All the 'low comprehension skill,victim card holder, haven't read one story in their life' girlies banding against someone who's trying to make y'all understand the point of story and trying to tell you that the seme isn't a mass murderer like your non existent brain thinks he is but an army general who was ordered to do a job is enough to show me that y'all have never ever ever understood one story you have read in your life, so most of you are not even qualified to hold a normal conversation about the topic anyway. Kinda pitiful:(. Calling that "dick riding" is so funny coz I just know since y'all got skill issues where you find it hard to understand basic English sentences and basic political and social topics of the present and past times so you just call everything dick riding instead of really understanding characters but all you are gonna do with your pea sized brain is tell people that they're gonna get their ass beat for making a point. Pffftttt. Pretty sure you look as funny as you sound. Lol. Well if that works for you, sure.
So anywayyyy cope harder. Keep crying. Stay mad. Pretty sure that's all you're capable of doing anyway.
Okayyyy low critical thinking slayyyyy
Yah exactly! It's valid to hate Hee-ryang. He admitted himself in the flashback that he's done vile deeds and we've witnessed them first hand. But it shows that he wasn't just a faceless soldier on the periphery who rose up the ranks by carrying out the actions of a king he didn't know. The future king himself plucked him from obscurity and handed him power. Hee-ryang doesn't even have family loyalties to contend with that might interfere with that tie. The king is his family, in that sense. I hope we learn more about their relationship.
so being ordered to murder mass amounts of people, and you do it, doesnt make you a mass murderer. got it. LOL throwing phrases like reading comprehension around all willy nilly with this level of logic is crazy.
it's crazy how many people are eating you up for this. while I don't necessarily agree with you 100% I can still see why you'd want to focus on the plot that got you reading in the first place: revenge
it’s the way they are so confident i didn’t understand the story just bc i disagree. i understand perfect fine, it’s just that a mass murderer isn’t suddenly innocent bc he had a shitty childhood and was under orders.
Bro yr not a scholar, in this entire manic episode u have 1 sentence talking ab the actual manhwa. Yes he was under pressure bc of an order and uts understandable but we can still take a look at him and see that he killed innocent people, thusly, a mass murderer.
This
how will revenge make sense if you only see the story of one character involved? If the manhwa were like this it would be a lazy narrative. this narrative isn't Kill Bill where Bill is just a horrible sociopath, this character obviously has more layers, but some people seems to want to ignore it because they already decided he's a one sided villain. this is sad to see as a reader and writer
LOL. revenge makes perfect sense bc bro is a mass murderer who killed the mc’s family. as if he isn’t a mass murderer just bc he’s a person with “layers” like the rest of us. as if him dying would suddenly remove all depth to his story, or his story altogether. this logic is just flawed and based on weak assumptions.
you are making assumptions and closing off the possibilities of the narrative. If this ML really had orders to kill the MC's family, will the MC's revenge be completely satisfactory if he only kills the mastermind's weapon? and you won't know any depth if you choose to ignore ML's past and motivations. your argument is flawed
i’m pretty sure the current plan is already to not stop with the killer? besides it would still be plenty satisfactory bc he literally watched him kill his family lol. that also doesnt mean his back story shouldn’t exist. i just personally dont give a fuck bc it doesn’t change anything for me. i never made assumptions lol. and every decision made in writing closes off the possibility of other narratives. that’s what happens when you make a decision. this should be common sense.
"that also doesnt mean his back story shouldn’t exist" great. you can stop right here thank you
lmfaoo don’t act like you did smth after your assumptions about me were proven wrong
What murder?
Ah you're still here. So all soldiers are mass murderers, your take is understood and still stupid. You ARE small-minded and ignorant and have zero life experience. Are you 13? You shouldn't be on here little child, these stories aren't for your eyes.
Why does everyone in support of the ml always say the same shit?? Ur a child, u can't comprehend this super duper complex social problem, you wouldn't understand cuz ur ignorant, yada yada yada
Because idiots are gonna stupid and sometimes we try and educate people as a public service to improve the human race, however you can lead a moron to water but you can't make them drink.
depends on if they’ve killed a bunch of people or not lmfao??? news flash!! anybody is a mass murderer if they kill a bunch of people soldier or not!
they are way too confident they’re right and they think it makes them superior
your shitty insults don’t help any of your arguments btw lol
Holy moly, okay that's fine, at least I have brain cells.
when are you gonna start using them?
he probably won't but go off queen
these ml defenders are so cringey bruhh
Yes enlighten this idiot by defending a morally wrong person, u r saving the human race one insult at a time !!
Where did I say that they were morally right? My argument was that they are incorrectly labeling the ML as a mass murderer based on the situation, in fact I believe in another comment I distinctly say he comes off as a non-apologetic asshole. If I was to use the same logic and argument I would have to say someone who committed suicide is also a murderer because the reasons and conditions behind taking life don't matter. The premise of that argument is flawed.
are you being obtuse on purpose? or is this bait? you do understand that taking your own life is different from taking other’s right? your arguments have always been flawed and full of assumptions. whoever said taking all life was the same? who ever even brought up suicide? there is no logic in your comment.
taking another life makes you a murderer. taking a lot of lives makes you a mass murderer. it doesnt matter what situation it happens in. mass murderer is not a term that comes with specific context. it is literally killing a lot of people in a single incident. which is something he has done multiple times, you could even call him a serial mass murderer. this is not an opinion, this is a fact. he is being correctly labeled by his actions. it doesnt matter what time period it is, it doesnt matter what your job is, it doesnt matter if you were ordered to do it. the only way for it to not be true is if he never killed multiple people in a single incident (multiple times).
bro would have hated being in an actual war lol. i dont wanna be part of yalls argument because i can understand that you dont think ml killing mc's parents is forgivable.
but your logic on soldiers is so stupid. if you lived like a few decades ago and tge love of your life or you father or anyone had to enlist and go to war and kill people there. would you call him a murderer who deserves no love? usually soldiers dont like killing people but in a war under an order they kind of have to. Murder is murder and its always morally wrong but the world isnt black and white, you cant just label people good or bad.
I know that, I'm using YOUR logic. According to YOU circumstances and causes in taking a life don't matter. A soldier to you is a murderer it doesn't matter what their reasons or circumstances are, similarly if someone takes ANY life it doesn't matter they're a murderer, ergo taking your own life = murder. That's what YOU'RE inferring, not me. It's an asinine take, but we won't come to any agreement on it, I'm just pointing it out. Just to be clear on your opinion so I am sure I am understanding you right, according to the logic you've applied to the ML, Ukranian soldiers defending their country right now who are caught in incidents where lives are inadvertently lost it follows then that they are mass murderers in the same way, yes?
this is why i said your arguments are based on assumptions LMFAO. use your head for the love of god! pulling “my logic” out of your fucking ass. let me make this abundantly clear for you since your comprehension is so dogshit my many other messages were unable to help you. i NEVER said circumstances NEVER matter. i DID say taking someone else’s life IS DIFFERENT than taking your own. dumb ass argument! however justified it may be, self defense resulting in the attacker dying is still murder lmfao! you think in such black and white terms it’s no wonder you dont fucking understand! ml was not defending anybody when he and his soldiers invaded people’s homes and massacred their families!! i don’t want to be mean but jesus fucking christ this is not that complicated!
MC's family was accused of treason, it was Heeryang's role to rout the treasonous people, it's as simple as that. I suppose we just fundamentally don't agree on what constitutes mass murder and what doesn't. It's ironic you say I think in black and white terms when my point is the situation is nuanced and there's plenty of grey area especially when considering whether we have all the facts yet, you're the one who is adamant about it being mass murder *shrugs*. If it comes to light that he knowingly slaughtered innocent people while taking pleasure in it just to fuck with the MC then I'd have to say that's fucked and he's a murderer 100%. Sidenote, I'd still like him as a character. But that's my two cents on it and it's my last message on it too this thread's gotten too long and neither one of us is going to change our minds, that much is clear.
it being mass murder is not an opinion lol it’s crazy how you don’t get that
you also don’t need to enjoy killing, nor does the victim need to be innocent. those aren’t not what determine mass murder. its like you refuse to understand the language that you speak.
Oh dam they still going
i love you guys completely miss each other's point lol.
one lerso of says murder is wrong no matter the circumstances.
the other says that despite it being wrong and must be punished, the person who does it is not always a bad person.
no one will win this fight lol
that’s literally not it but ok lol
no it is. what youre trying to prove is that hye rang is a horrible person because he killed people under orders.
you keep trying to say that murder is wrong. we get it honey. we know it is
i’m not sure why i never saw this message. obviously i would hate being in an actual war lol??? i literally said it in this thread but i never said that circumstances never matter. but just being a soldier does not make every kill justified? like i said before ml was not defending anybody, possible reason is not reason enough to invade someone’s home and kill their family. we still don’t even know if their accusations were true.
well he is so yeah you got me lol :)
patiently waiting for his bf to wake up
LMAO
THIS IS TOO ACCURATE LOLOLOL
god damnit