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Chapter 39, page 25 is where you can look to read through the scene again.

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/for_the_beautiful_juliet/uu/br_chapter-264087/pg-25/

People are arguing that when Genas says to her:

"How can I have a hidden child when I haven't slept with any other woman?"

He is saying he has never had sex with any other woman in his entire life, but what he's saying is that he has not had sex with any other woman within the timeframe that would allow his niece to be his daughter.

If you pay attention to the scene, the empress is mad that he had sex with a woman besides her *after* she "bought" him, because he's "hers". That would be *after* Enoch's mother had passed.

The empress very likely knows about Genas's relationship with Enoch's mother, since he cares so much for her son and it was already widely known that he leaves her bedroom in the mornings.

He's saying in that scene, "to have a child I would have had to have had sex with someone else while I was with you, which is impossible".

Also, I want to point out that even entertaining that he were talking about "in his entire life", he said that after being cut by her... Why would I believe him telling the crazy bitch that rapes and abuses him all the time that he hasn't had sex with Enoch's mother when there was a whole scene showing that they had? Enoch literally has an awkward spotting of it happening, drops his book running away, and then asks Genas if he loves his mother, who says "what's the point of resisting?" because she's in a higher position and her insanity has fully consumed her into thinking Genas is her husband/treating him as her husband.

I also want to remind anyone it concerns that, initially, we had no reason to think their relationship progressed to sexual, that was a sad twist that was confirmed in the scene with Enoch as a child. The story is vague at first, it shows her starting to lose herself and hallucinate and at first it looks like he's just taking care of her, only for it to then be hinted that he *might be having sex with her* with the rumors of him leaving her room in the mornings and then revealed he *is* when Enoch catches them together and runs away, only for it to *then* be revealed that he's not really willing, he just doesn't feel like there's any point in resisting. He's powerless at the time and she's the empress. Plus he feels sorry for her.

For anyone wanting to read through the scene I'm talking about where it is implied their relationship turned sexual, it starts on page 15 of chapter 27:

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/for_the_beautiful_juliet/uu/nml_chapter-27/pg-15/

But the rumors of them are mentioned as early as page 7 of chapter 24:

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/for_the_beautiful_juliet/uu/nml_chapter-24/pg-7/

It starts off vague, with Letina still having some of her sanity. Enough to talk with her son sometimes. She ends up fully thinking Genas is Eben.

Young Enoch says "poor 4th prince" because Letina is mistaking him for his father and sexually harassing him. She asked him for a kiss in the scene in front of Enoch. He said there's no point in resisting.

So again, the Empress is raping a rape victim that is traumatized by sex and doesn't want women touching him. At least with Letina it was more nuanced, but with bitch it's just one sided entirely and abusive to the max.

The reading comprehension in this comments section is nuts right now. Not sure how you could read that chapter and say it was a cute moment.

What he just said is that she usually makes him get up in the morning after she rapes him and makes him stand in front of the mirror... He "won" because he can influence her at all where previously he was just powerless against her as she did whatever she wants.

There's no "deal" here, he has not been able to get rid of her.

They kinda nerfed him, he always wins through wits now while talking about how much stronger they are than him or how he's running out of power. Too much screen time on the cast of characters that are all pretty boring, feels like there's a lot of padding where you just see the two friends interacting (red head and girl). I'd much rather just see him doing cool magic stuff and realizing magic things through his genius, but now he's just using the shards and that's boring.

I dropped at ch 45, but was starting to feel this for awhile. Let me know if the story goes back to being interesting between then and the current chapter (57) and maybe I'll try and tank through it some more.

This is not a story, the sole purpose is rape fetish.

Also, rape fetish is an uncomfortable truth comments sectioners, there are a lot of people who literally play it out in bed, of course they like to get on here and read this. This is for a specific audience.

It always makes me cringe when reading these when they say something about the dick smelling or something. In this one the "smells racey"... Gross.

Kinda disappointed we only got that one scene with the knight, I wonder if there's more?

I hate that he's terminally ill, it makes me sad. I'm hoping he gets treated and gets better somehow even though they said it's impossible. Rintaro is giving me hope that there's some sort of way to fix it.

I'm kinda worried this might end up bittersweet, with him dying and entrusting her to Rintaro or something...

Garam is in the wrong for just running away and trying to break up to protect Jaehyuk (from himself). Jaehyuk is in the wrong for cutting off everyone and everything around him.

You can see that it's getting concerning for Garam and that he blames himself. He thinks that he needs to break up with him or Jaehyuk is going to isolate himself and suffer for it.

Jaehyuk wanting to date in the open doesn't seem to be the real issue here, if it were then Jaehyuk offering to keep it secret just now would've been the fix. Instead Garam doubled down. Because the issue is Jaehyuk's mindset and approach to his connections in life.

I think it's going to take some growth on Jaehyuk's side before Garam comes back.

Key things he's done shitty:

- Junhan and Sanghyuk went out and got drunk, Sanghyuk passed out and Junhan went to take him home by driving his car, but hit somebody and ran away. Sanghyuk woke up and thought he was drunk driving and ran someone over. Junhan was building his career and didn't want the scandal so he let Sanghyuk think he did it. He justified it in his head by saying Sanghyuk's family is loaded, so they'll be able to handle it.

- Junhan was a bully in high school. His "bullying" of Habin is a grey area, I don't personally fault him for trying to bully him to get rid of his stalker, but his bullying of the innocent chubby kid that he made a target of the bully group was less justified.

Besides the above, he's just sort of an asshole to many people. That seems to be his real personality, he's always "playing nice" to everyone at school. He says that he learned from his childhood to be mean before others can be mean to him and he loses their love. So how he naturally acts is kinda mean as a defence/cope mechanism, how he presents is acted. The facade starts to crack as he's put under pressure by Habin and his father's reappearance and he snaps at Sanghyuk a few times.

Now going into all this:

His "friendship" with Sanghyuk is part of the act. He doesn't really care about him, this is made clear as early as Chapter 2, when the group seems confused on why Junhan hasn't contacted Sanghyuk despite the life event that just happened to him, the car accident. They tell him "he's your best friend" and he pretty casually thinks "Oh yeah, I forgot about him with everything going on". He doesn't seem to feel guilty. Junhan actually goes into this to say that it's always actually been Sanghyuk sticking to *him*. Sanghyuk kept pestering him to do the short film and the only reason he did it was for the benefits until it got him into the spotlight and he saw how much money he could earn off of his acting. But all he cares about is the money, he has no passion for acting, he doesn't want to learn about it or get better. He just wants to do what he's doing and get paid. He's even a bit annoyed having to keep pretending to care about acting. He doesn't want to have to deal with the acting group or practice.

So from his perspective he helped Sanghyuk with his short film, ended up being recognized for his talent and discovered a way he could make money and then Sanghyuk convinced him to go to acting school by promising a discount on tuition and an opportunity with someone he knows, which resulted in Junhan becoming an influencer at the woman's advice and landing much more opportunities from other clothing stores.

Junhan was in a position where he had nothing and had to accept whatever scraps he could get, so yes, he used Sanghyuk. That's their real relationship. Even as early as Ch 1 at the bar you see him envious of Sanghyuk's wealth when he sees the car. He's in a position where he has nothing and can't afford to care about other people's feelings.

What he did to Sanghyuk is pretty obviously black, not grey, but most people don't care about fucking over what, connection-wise, is essentially a stranger you don't care about. I feel like people are viewing this as "Junhan fucking over his best friend", but I think that would actually be worse. Though this is still bad enough even to a stranger. The fact that it's a rich stranger clearly also helps dull the care for what Sanghyuk's possibly going to go through when he decides to frame him.

Onto the bullying, he says in plain wording that he took to bullying because it was something he could control while he could do nothing about his father and his circumstances at the time. He had just had his savings stolen by his father and that made him nearly attack him in his sleep. Not a justification, but a reason, and the reason make him more sympathetic. For me that equates to not necessarily wanting his downfall. I'm fine with him having to own up to Sanghyuk that he's the one who crashed the car, but I feel like he's been through enough and deserves to keep what he worked for. I view that separately to that. He put Sanghyuk through a hard time and he should be held accountable, but I don't feel like that equates to that he should have his life ruined brutally. Which takes me to spoilers:

I've seen that he has his life completely ruined and ends up basically pathetic like his father... This is so sad to me. Like, after being abandoned by his mother and having to deal with his father, after he's managed to achieve some level of success via his own talent, now his "comeuppance"/"karma" is *that*? It's disappointing. I really liked Habin's "I'll always be there for you" approach to winning him over up to this point. I could also see some hope there, considering Junhan literally fucked him twice. It felt like maybe that sincerity was starting to get through. But apparently Habin ends up just exposing him and ruining his life to isolate him and then they live happily ever after with Junhan none the wiser that it was all orchestrated by Habin.

I'm going to be frank. The bullying of that kid was shitty, but it's in the past... He's even grown out of it, saying earlier in that he can't just punch Habin for the Stalking like he used to because "they were just kids at the time". Not that the guy would be in the wrong if he ever felt like holding Junhan accountable, I guess I'm just making the point that it hasn't come to that. Seems time moved on and so did everyone. To me the main thing here is definitely framing Sanghyuk, which I think he deserves to have to face, but maybe in a personal 1 on 1 where Sanghyuk decides what to do? Habin is just using the situation.

As far as his bullying of Habin, the only time where I feel he was in the wrong was when he was an asshole when Habin confessed to him. There was no history there and no knowledge of him being a stalker, he was mean for no reason calling him disgusting. After that is all a reasonable reaction to being hardcore stalked. He even kissed him while he was sleeping... He woke up being kissed in a closed off classroom by the guy he rejected.

I really just want his dad to like... Die. I don't care what happens to him seeing him showing up and tormenting him again like this. He's even going to his school, trying to extort 200 million out of him... He's disgusting. I hope he dies slowly in a fire and it depicts it.

Idk, I guess the ending I wanted was a happy one for everyone. One where Habin won him over with his (crazy) sincerity rather than manipulating him and ruining his life. I really liked how he was consistently telling him "I like you" and you could see it was having an effect of some kind. There was progress. I was starting to think maybe he would actually fall for him normally and get over the stalking and then the stalking would stop, but no...

Summary (of the 25 chapters so far):

Cheol (top) and Minyoung (bottom) are the couple. They both have very tragic pasts, Cheol was neglected and abused by his father and Minyoung is an orphan with problems connecting with people. Both are mentally fucked up because of this. Cheol full on age-regressing at one point. Minyoung noticed Cheol's silent abuse, Cheol noticed Minyoung's lack of connection with the people around him. They bonded over these hidden truths and eventually started dating. Minyoung became very protective of Cheol because he saw him being abused and saw the look on Cheol's face occasionally that gave it away. He made a vow to himself that he'd grow stronger to protect him because he couldn't at the time.

The whole crux of the story is that at some point back in high school, Minyoung outed Cheol to his father. We don't yet have the context as to why. This resulted in Cheol's father exploding on Cheol, Cheol breaking up with Minyoung to please his father, and then living a fake "straight" (he says "normal") life and marrying a woman.

The story starts later on in life, Cheol's wife has just divorced him after years of him living like a husk of a man, running away from his gay feelings for Minyoung. He's had a certified crash out. He fell into gambling, tanked a cafe business he'd been given, etc. His father ruined his life. Minyoung is back now that they're divorced. He'd been watching and waiting for the ruse to end.

Minyoung never gave up on him, he'd apparently been driven to the point of wanting to kill Cheol for abandoning him, but when he went to do it (yes, they're both crazy at points), he found out Cheol still loved him because he said Minyoung's name in his sleep. So he just sort of let Cheol do what he was going to do in this effort to please his dad, biding his time and building himself up to be able to get revenge for Cheol on his dad and younger brother. Cheol's father favored the younger brother because he had an inferiority complex towards his older brother and Cheol looks like his brother. It's Cheol's uncle that becomes his father when Cheol runs away from his father. Minyoung is back now because the fake life is over and now he can protect Cheol from his father and let him live as himself. But there's a lot of denial Cheol is working through throughout the story so far, that's what all the anger sex is about. He refuses to accept that he loves Minyoung still, but very, very unsuccessfully. He's getting there, the biggest step was him confronting his father and it left him age regressed for awhile. But that first step is huge.

Cheol's ex-wife gets that there's something going on that has absolutely just fucked Cheol and left him stagnant, but she doesn't know what. She tells him that he needs to stop being a coward and make a move for himself or he's going to be left by everyone he loves. That he needs to "grow up", and this is spot on, he's stuck in his childhood. This is what spurs Cheol to try and confront his dad. Cheol ends up beat up, so Minyoung goes and beats his dad's ass. Things are different now, they're not high schoolers anymore. Minyoung has just "come out" (not about being gay, about being in love with Cheol and that he's going to do anything to protect him) to Cheol's real father (the uncle) and now here we are. Side note: seems like Cheol's ex-wife might have a thing for Minyoung's secretary? They had a moment where they both looked stunned by each other.

At this point we're just waiting for the outing loose end to be tied up, which age-regressed Cheol hinted would be resolved if Minyoung would apologize. I'm sure that will come soon.

As I was reading, I kept having the thought that the intensity didn't match the happenings, like they were overreacting to things, but this is resolved once it starts going into the abusive father. The outing was so damning *because* he was outed to his abusive father. His father was just that bad. As was the extent of the psychological damage he'd already been subject to up to that point. The reason Minyoung makes crazy yandere faces all the time is because Cheol's past was just *that* tragic to him. It became his entire life's purpose to protect him. He's literally ride or die.