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If only these were new chapters, instead of oooooooold chapters. So many left undone is a shame.

dude like fr this author knows how to write tension

Ikr?? This manhwa has been an absolute rollercoaster from the start! Every chapter leaves you spiraling with new theories and possibilities. The author really knows how to weave everything together so masterfully. The characters are layered and complex, each carrying their own emotional baggage and the twists especially the taboo elements add so much intensity to it. It offers such a compelling and unique perspective.
Truly a guilty pleasure lol

agree lol. this could have done “cheaply” given the premise and just be another pornhwa but because of the character’s depth (yeonwoo’s tbh) it becomes something else. i look forward to see how the story unfolds

btw i was reading your other comments on this manhwa and i realized how much of a weirdo the mom is. it’s already so weird that out of nowhere she brings a “boytoy” home + her behavior towards yeonwoo at the party (p diddy coded) but coupled with other hints in the manwa i think she really has just been unhinged from the start … we are just getting hoodwinked by rosa’s pov that says something about their closeness

True!! There is definitely MORE to the mother!! At this point it’s pretty clear that her relationship with Yeonwu was built on exploitation and abuse. She literally drugs him as punishment and it didn’t seem like it was a one-time thing either. The power imbalance between them is already disturbing enough and yet she wants her daughter and everyone to believe he’s her future husband? That’s incredibly messed up.
And let’s not forget that Yeonwu was one of the orphans she sponsored at that orphanage. That just adds another layer to how wrong this whole situation was from the start.
Also, when she said she’s “good at fixing problem kids” that immediately made me think of Rosa aside from Yeonwu. Rosa obviously isn’t in a great mental state rn and I can’t help but feel like her mother played a role in that. Even Rosa admitted in her conversation with Jaeon that she questioned her mother’s love. Aside from her monologue about how her mom and her share a close relationship. I think i
To me, Suryeon comes across as someone extremely controlling someone who needs everything to fit her version of how things should be. So honestly, I won’t feel bad at all if Rosa and Yeonwu end up together and mess with her script. I mean you can see how upset she got when Rosa or Yeonwu break out of character and act in a way she didn't predict or want!

Also another thing I picked up from Yeonwu’s inner monologue in today’s chapter after reading rn it's that after Rosa takes off Jaeon’s shirt and gets on top of him he says “There was a scent. An expensive one… The kind of smell I’ve never once encountered in my trashy life.”

The way I interpreted it is that he notices the scent when Rosa gets closer to him. But what I’m unsure about is whether he’s referring to Rosa’s own scent or the scent lingering from the shirt she was wearing.

It’s kind of tricky and I’m hoping we get more of his inner thoughts in the next chapter to clarify.
Because depending on it this scene could hold different meaning although I do believe he meant Rosa's own scent.

Which suggests that maybe he subconsciously distances himself from her because he sees her as belonging to a world he doesn’t fit into(kinda valid tbh). And considering how much Yeonwu’s mental health has deteriorated over the years that interpretation wouldn’t be surprising.

He said that the scent was fresh, clean, sweet, and expensive, while remembering his encounters with Rosa. Including the first time she slapped him after finding him in her closet holding her bra up. He was just remembering anytime she walked away or by him. So he most likely talking about her scent vs the old lady scents he must have encountered a lot at the host bar. That mixed with sweat and body odor.

Yes kinda went over the fresh and sweet so he is definitely talking about Rosa's scent here not the shirt's. But I don't think he just said that as to compare with the scents of the older women but also like said above I think he is distancing himself because of their social gap? Sort off it gave me that vide...

Omg- people need to get a grip on reality and stop harassing authors for their work. I get not liking something but if you don’t like a story simply drop it. No one’s holding anyone at gun point to read this type of story.

And secondly. I’m so hyped to see Yeonwoo and Rosa’s relationship blossom I love me a good slow burn. But if this manwha drops because of people harassing the artist over the story I’m gonna be mad asf.

Well, as long as Yeonwoo consents to Rosa exploring her sadistic side then I’m fine with it! It will make it less horrible because I would know that he wants to participate!

Same here! I really hope Hyobin-nim doesn't get affected by them and pulls through!!

I think he will or on the very least they will have a level of agreement and some feelings for one another hence why the author needs to first develop the plot/characters and then move to that! I mean especially for a manhwa like this where characters relationships are all tangled up and opinions can change after almost each chapter read... Anyway I am so hyped!

very embarrassing at how low ppls media literacy has to be when the author has to make ANOTHER tweet about why kind of story this is and who the ml is like , she made it very clear from the beginning and if it wasnt obvious from the title and cover , but if ppl are rlly only here for the pretty art then they should at least not comment every week how bad the story, why the stepdad is the father (hyobin literally mentioned in her live last week exactly that like if ppl are still asking 'why is the stepdad the ml while having read 20 chapters and she replied then the story is def not for u, they shoud stop reading') so yeah i understand why she is likely tired of all the nagging comments

You're right....! Those are some very keen observations on Suryeon's and Rosa's dynamic. Now that I reconsider, every flashback Rosa seems to have of her childhood seems like a perfectly orchestrated dollhouse playtime. The teddy bear, her clothes, her bland expression. And even her absent minded behaviour now. Suryeon seems to be the type of mother who wants everything to a t and maybe there really is more to this mother-daughter devoted dynamic. Which isn't familial love as we know it; even Rosa in the latest chapter can't really distinguish whether what her mother feels for her is love.

As far as Yeonwu is concerned though, to me, all the flashbacks to his host bar job point towards him being coerced or cornered by the Suryeon to agree to her terms. Something aggressive, unlike Yeonwu placing any type of faith in her.

We know Yeonwu never had sex with his clients despite his desperation (due to the debt), so that leads me to believe he's got boundaries for himself he respects no matter what. His agreement to Suryeon's offer/request... it probably has to do either with
1. who Suryeon is to him (since they've had ties back when he was a kid at the orphanage, but I'm not leaning towards a benefactor/motherly relationship, rather something more insidious, transactional, maybe even something that has to do with Rosa)
2. or with how Suryeon approached him. Yeonwu, being orphaned, might be desperate for a warm family, but I don't think he's the type of guy to jeopardise what he had with Rosa or disrespect himself to settle into a good life. Remember he refused Suryeon back when she was his client. And later on we see his boss beating him claiming "the lady was upset you didn't go to round 2". Suryeon likely pulled the strings from behind the scenes, and she's so rich she can make his workplace run out of business in a heartbeat. Then Yeonwu would have to deal with people manhunting him for refusing a rich lady and plummeting their business.

Yeonwu looked miserable indulging her in round 2 during those flashbacks and is even seen from his pov on his knees begging her. He's now likely trying to convince himself he's fine with their "agreement" and even getting lost within this lie, otherwise something important to him is at great risk.

Rosa's said before her mother's gone for all types of guys but never one quite like Yeonwu. I think the argument of a "perfect family" is only a pretaste to her obsessive tendencies like you said or maybe a ruse to another, more sinister intention. She definitely sought him out for a reason... And it probably also has something to do with Rosa, being part of Suryeon's vision.

Ugh usually I like characters like Suryeon but I just can't get behind sexing someone this young as a middle aged person with a kid, let alone someone you've known as a little kid. E.W. It's despicable. And I can't get behind privileged people exploiting the poor to satisfy their deeply personal twisted agendas or hobbies. And look at what Rosa's become because of her. Let power fall into the wrong hands and suddenly the world becomes a stage and the people puppets of sick perverted stringmasters.

Exactly! I totally agree! Actually this is what I tried to describe about Yeonwu when I said he seems to have faith in her... It's like he has been brainwashed by her and also sort of let himself be deluded in order to avoid the cruel reality...And for me chapters now I've considered both Rosa and Yeonwu as victims of the mother... Because it's very obvious and telling Rosa has mental issues that build up over the years and I am certain the mother played a part into that! I mean even the way her mother brought and introduced Yeonwu to her was very telling! Suryeon's personality is twisted beyond repair...Hosting these type of parties and interacting with all the corrupted 1% elite, using the boy you once sponsored in the orphanage as you boytoy, treating your daughter as a precious doll who you pull the strings off.
I think this will start going REALLY bad when Rosa and Yeonwu start developing smth with eo and she notices their behaviour going "off script".

Such a pleasure reading both of your guys analyses, you don’t find that often on this site unfortunately.

From the beginning, because of the synopsis, I knew that Rosa and Yeonwoo knew each other as kids but smth happened and they drifted apart. With time I started to believe that maybe Rosa lost her memories (of him) due to the accident she was in. But Yeonwoo still remembered her and smth happened to him that led him on that path of life and somehow he found his way back into Rosa’s because of Suryeon. But then we see that Rosa does remember him and is very angry with him, she said smth along the lines like: what caused you to go that way? So then I thought what if Yeonwoo lost his memories? Or what if, the accident was what drove them apart? They were in the same accident. Either Rosa was driving and he was the passenger or got hit, or vice versa. She didn’t lose her memories, he did, but subconsciously he remembered her and that’s why he did the butterfly and roses tattoos on top of his scar (that supposedly freaked his clients out and that’s why he had to cover it up). If he lost his memories. Or, the accident caused a drift and he didn’t lose his memories but always remembered and cherished her fondly and did those tattoos. Now after this chapter and with both your guys analyses, I still think either of those things happened + Suryeon specifically took advantage of the amnesia (or the driving of a wedge in their relationship cuz of the accident), targeting him specifically because “he was Rosa’s”. If Rosa wants things her mother has then the opposite is also very much true, Suryeon wanting whatever Rosa has. Unfortunately, there are jealous parents like that, that envy what their children have and those who can actively pursue to get what they have just so they can have the upper hand. So she had her eyes set on him. And that’s why she keeps insisting on Yeonwoo to befriend her so they can be “the perfect family”. She loves Rosa, yes, but she also wants to assert her dominance and power and let her know “who’s the boss”. That she won (Yeonwoo). That it will always be her and whatever Rosa has is because of her (photoshoots, company position, money, etc). But the whole “I’ve fixed problem children before” was another warning bell. She’s done this before, to Rosa. Maybe even Yeonwoo. Maybe she has that much power and connections that she hypnotized them both to drive them apart, or simply just took advantage of that situation. She’s definitely done *something* with Rosa and maybe even Yeonwoo and maybe even the other orphan children?

Hmm that's an interesting scenario indeed but personally I always believed that Rosa and Yeonwu only had few childhood memories together from when she would visit the orphanage before losing contract... However I do believe the scar Yeonwu has might have smth to do with her and her accident! Maybe even with the death of his adoptive parents! Sort of like fate playing tricks on them! As for Yeonwu's feelings about child Rosa initially based on past flashbacks I believed he only had bad memories like how she kicked him with the ball and told him his crying face looks pretty etc. But now showing him all valuable and her coming to mind tells me otherwise... Maybe they did end up growing closer back then...Also after browsing through past chapters he does shower her with compliments and genuinely seem to want to get close to her even under the pretence of the "perfect family". I didn't think about an amnesia scenario though... But yeah the fixing problem children was definitely alarming! I just think her mother is a control freak who wants everything to be the way she wants to a T. So it is probable that whenever Rosa would go off script she would pull the strings and manipulate her... So yeah I definitely agree about Suryeon wanted to assert her dominance over Rosa! I wouldn't go as far though to think of her ever touching Rosa in "that" way though... But yeah we will see! From now on since most of the groundwork has been set, each chapter will be helpful and telling! Cannot wait for next week!

No I’ve never gotten the impression of Suryeon molesting Rosa but I think she’s been extremely controlling, manipulating and maybe even brainwashed her. Rosa was troubled even as a child (kicking his ball just so she would see his crying face, that emotionless bland expression on her face) but under Suryeon’s care she’s become even more troubled, she could even be a psychotic monster. Regardless, Yeonwoo is the biggest victim and I feel even more bad for him with each chapter.

Ahh okay I thought you were referring to that! Then alls good and our thoughts align pretty well! And yeah Yeonwu is def the biggest victim... But one thing that bothered me with him is why put up with all this to this extend... But seeing mother's behaviour and his past now in the recent chapters I can tell a bit... He is just too far gone into despair, guilt, fear, longing etc. To actually stand up for himself and get out of the mess. I think Rosa will be that helping hand but since the author said it would be a slow burn I guess it will take some time... And I believe Yeonwu will also be the helping hand Rosa needs! Because Jaeon can do nothing for her other than temporarily push the problems away with sex which has no lasting effect cause Rosa doesn't feel anything deep for him to begin with! But that's different with Yeonwu ><

Yeonwoo is putting up with it because he’s incredibly lonely and desperate. He’s never had anyone by his side or been loved and cared for. He was an orphan for such a long time and when he finally found an adoptive family, they died and he inherited all their debt, and iirc I think they weren’t even good people? But I could be mistaken about that. He just wants to be loved and not be alone anymore so he’s desperate, it’s heartbreaking how everyone keeps using and degrading him, calling him things he’s not.

I’ve been hoping since the beginning that Rosa understands the distinction between bdsm/kink play in vs. outside the bedroom, that she doesn’t always have to dominate or degrade him and gives him aftercare but I’ve seen other commenters say that the author has said that Yeonwoo is going to get absolutely destroyed by Rosa and Suryeon (and the other women in this story) and that it’s not going to be fluffy or nice, and honestly Rosa really doesn’t give that lovey dovey kind of energy at all but I’m still hoping she won’t be that hard and awful on him after all and that she heals too cuz home girl needs help as well lol

very well said and tbh i think suryeon brought someone into their lives to test rosa

Hmm actually I don’t think Rosa will continue treating him harshly once everything is resolved. Even now and from the very beginning she’s already gone through several stages. At first, she despised his sudden existence and intrusion as a whole. Then she became tempted and drawn to him and because of their shared childhood past, that eventually turned into her current obsession. If you think about it, the only times she truly gets sharp with Yeonwu rn are when he rejects her outright or when he brings up her mother and their relationship directly to her face.

Btw one scene that really highlights the stark difference between Rosa and Suryeon for me and their treatment towards Yeonwu is the party chapter. Rosa was genuinely relieved that Yeonwu wasn’t there and even when she did see him, she tried to warn him, yes harshly but the intent was still there. Suryeon, on the other hand, didn’t warn him at all and the entire situation was actually orchestrated by her from the start without even considering asking Yeonwu's opinion on it. Cause Yeonwu to Suryeon is a bought toy, leashed dog and still wet behind the ears boy...

What I personally hope to see later on is Yeonwu and Rosa opening up to each other more and offering each other support, while also learning more about eo and their kinks. I really hope that when the BDSM elements the author plans to introduce come into play, they’ll include at least a level of consent and understanding from Yeonwu as well. And yeah Rosa needs healing too and that means lots of therapy...Maybe they could go for couple sessions....

Yes and and amen to everything you said, I really hope all of this too! ╥﹏╥

One thought that occurred to me and I’d like to discuss with you if it’s ok! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

The part where Suryeon drugged Yeonwoo again!

So we know why she (and the pharma lady) did that the last time. So he could “go play”. And since he’s loyal and obedient and has boundaries for himself, they had to drug him because otherwise, he never would’ve done it (not condoning at all what they did, that was vile, just pinpointing what they’ve done so far, might think, from their POV). But he came crawling back all pent up and that upset her (I swear, I don’t see him as a dog but to clarify once again, this is how Suryeon and the other women in this story view him). So she had to punish him, to teach him a lesson. Why drug him again? If she truly wants to teach him a lesson and punish him, so he obeys better next time, wouldn’t it be better if he was sober? Right? And after the times they’ve had sex, we’ve never seen her leave marks on him, but now he was filled hickeys, bruises and bite marks. We know that she has a little sadistic tendencies as well like Rosa because she slapped him once out of the blue, but so far, we’ve never seen her leave marks on him. So! What if, it wasn’t Suryeon that dis that, but the pharma lady? I wouldn’t put it past both of them to “team up/cooperate”, Suryeon drugging him once again, standing there, degrading him, while the pharma lady violates him. They’re super rich and powerful people. They can do the most heinous things. Dare to deny them and they can end you. The pharma lady must’ve felt incredibly humiliated because he denied her. So she took out her anger on him. “You’re saying no to me? Who the hell do you think you are?”. So by drugging him, yet again, they/Suryeon kinda “Pavlov’ed”/conditioned him. That whenever that drug enters his system he has to go stray/play/release his pent up sexual urges. If you’ve read POTN, when Seungho’s father wanted to “rehabilitate” him from sodomy/being a homosexual, they drugged him as well whenever he was forced to have sex with women. Just wondered if there could be a connection like that. Cuz Suryeon is malicious and callous and I think she definitely could do smth like that. I hope not for his sake. But she definitely could.

I agree. Rosa always seems to be the only person in his mind when he’s had flashbacks I don’t know whether he’s drawn to her through obsession or if it’s for a revenge thing. I genuinely want to know what his plan is when it comes to Rosa and his mom because there’s a lot of things within this story that are missing

Same here! Actually I kinda like the ambiguous writing of the author >< This story so far feels like an onion! Once you peel off a layer there is more underneath hehe And since we are only 20+ chapters in it makes sense for plot holes to still exist! I just hope the author can wrap it up nicely eventually with no loose ends and she already said that we will get POVs from all three characters (Rosa, Yeonwu & Suryeon) so I guess we gotta be patient. Sigh

I can’t wait to see Suryeons POV and why she went after Yeonwoo in the first place I believe once we find out it’ll be very interesting

Honestly I am mostly curious about Yeonwu's pov but yeah I get why Suryeon's pov is also important and needed. Still I can't help but dislike her from what I've seen so far and I doubt her pov can change much about my opinion of her...But yeah we need to know the why and how she did what she did!

After finding out what she did to Yeonwoo I can never look at her the same nor do I like her ( I never did. ) But Yeonwoo as you said I’m most furious about too what’s his intentions when approaching the two women? Is it revenge or obsession with Rosa?

ughh, thiss!!! totally love the way you captured everything to a tee. can i ask where you got the info of the author stating it’s a slow burn between rosa and yeon-wu?! i wanna see tooo

From twitter! Hyobin-nim has an acc and says stuff from time to time and also fans pages share them too! She also does lives sharing spoiler panels and ppl upload them there some times! For example some time ago (when everyone were saying 2nd ml should be the ml or that the plot sucks etc.) She again replied saying Yeonwu is the confirmed ML and that won't change plus the point of this manhwa was to reverse the roles and have women put in male dominated fields of sorts and to try writing a taboo storyline! Hence why this won't be a warm vanilla romance story! I mean ppl should have been warned by the cover/synopsis alone but alas...

thank you for replying!! i love that; it’s such a bold new take and i’m here for it! can’t wait to start seeing more of the dynamic between the 2 leads!!