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I said this once already, but I'll say it again:

He's not justified at all if that idiot spent more time arguing with her and discouraging her from learning magic when he should’ve been looking for safer ways to help her control her abilities instead. Like, you do know that Maxi's dilemma could’ve been handled differently if he actually treated her like a capable person instead of something fragile that needs to be locked away, right?

Let’s be fucking real, part of why Maxi ends up reckless and stubborn in the first place is because Riftan never gives her the space to prove her autonomy or trust her own judgment. He doesn’t trust her capabilities as a mage, he doesn’t encourage structured learning—as I said, he actively discouraged it when Ruth initially taught Maxi, and then acts shocked when she pushes herself too far trying to figure things out on her own.

You can’t restrict someone’s growth and then act like their lack of control is some inherent flaw in them. That feedback loop is literally the main problem in their relationship.

Completely agree with you on this. but the haters are still going to hate and lament about it lol, all we the level headed readers can do, is enjoy the story for what it is

Ooooookay, you can say it again but Maxi is a adult who has been acting pretty immature/spontaneous. Which is not entirely her fault, she was beaten literally into submission by her father and nit given an inch to grow as a person. Key word: father. So blaming Riften for Maxi's immaturity, reckless behavior, and stubborn personality is wild. She already had those traits to begin with, she just has more freedom and less fear of Riften than her father, which allowed her to begin doing more/pressing limits she used to have. I think they're both making mistakes. Putting all the blame on him isn't right. Even with the abuse from her father and being treated like she's fragile/whatnot, does not excuse her jumping into danger multiple time, especially not for randomly joining a war. I said he's "kind of" justified bc it's a normal reaction, but he also should not have yelled at her. I get both sides and honestly, Maxi has a lot of growing/healing to do too. Not just Riften.

People are so immature/moronic and will almost always side with the FL over the ML. Even when it is clear that both have made mistake and need to grow/heal, etc. Someone just told me to "take the l" Who even says that in a literal way and not a joking manner. Like grow up already and use your frontal cortex you amoeba At least be more creative in your insults or judgements

Lol, fr. The moment they run out of actual arguments, they fall back on personal insults while claiming to have the moral high ground. Imagine insulting a real person over a fictional character.
Some even jump to, "You're only defending him becoz you want his dick," as if defending a male character automatically has to be for sexual reasons. Maybe that's how they think, so they assume everyone else does too. Ironically, they're the ones reducing a man's worth to nothing but his body, and yet they're quick to call everyone else misogynistic.
I don't think it's misogynistic to disagree with some of the FL's decisions or to hold her accountable just like any other character in the story. Good stories are built on flawed, complex characters, not on blindly excusing one side while condemning the other.
What I've noticed is that many readers will go to great lengths to understand and justify a morally complex FL like in "The Forgotten Fields" manhwa which is based in the same timeline as "under the oak tree" but won't extend that same grace if it's a complex ML. Instead, they want the ML to exist solely as a perfect simp whose entire personality revolves around the FL.
At that point, it feels less like they're engaging with the story and more like they're hate-reading it. Once they've decided they dislike a character, everything that character does gets twisted to fit the narrative they've already made up in their heads

Resorting to name-calling just because people disagree with you? The irony of calling people immature, yet what does that make you if you're calling people "morons" over a crappy observation of a story and its characters, lol?

Lmao, says the girl who was rude in the first place and has to block others to get the last word. Have the day you deserve Poppy. Maybe just don't engage with public comment sections if you can't handle a debate

I agree, there are a lot of blatant misandrists/man haters under a lot of these comics. It's really strange behavior, also if you don't like it then just drop the story. Just bc it's not for you doesn't make it a bad story. That user Poppy for example, was interacting with me on another comment, said this is a garbage story, and then blocked me bc she wanted the last word I guess. Idk why she acts like people can be rude and name call at me, but I'm not allowed to give the same energy back? Lol be so fr

Not really sure why she stuck aroumd for so many chapters either, if she hates the story so much. Also, she mentioned other people saying that Riften doesn't get much character development, like girl why are you only going off of what others have commented? Read it for yourself before jumping to an opinion...

Fr, girl, she blocked me too after insulting me and calling me a "rapist defender" lol. That seems to be their go-to move, insult people for having a different opinion about the story, then block them when the discussion doesn't go their way.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they've blocked half the fandom. I just don't think they're interested in having an actual discussion. It feels like they've already made up their mind about Riftan, so no matter what he does, they'll always find something to criticize and twist to fit the narrative they've already settled on.
Some readers seem to treat everything as black and white, when stories like this are built around flawed, complex characters. Trying to understand a character's motivations doesn't mean you're defending every action they take, yet some people immediately label you a "toxic defender" just because you don't completely hate the character.
One person even told me I must have a husband who beats me at home because I like riftan's character. I honestly burst out laughing because that's such an absurd thing to say over a fictional story. Making personal attacks instead of discussing the actual writing says more about them than it does about me.
What I also don't understand is why some people keep reading a story they clearly hate, especially when they've already read the novel and know exactly how it ends. If the manhwa is following the novel closely and they already know they dislike the direction, why keep torturing themselves? It's perfectly fine to dislike a story, but it's also okay for others to enjoy it without being insulted for having a different opinion

It's seriously insane, I don't understand their thought process... I'm sorry someone said that to you, that's awful! It's so frustrating dealing with such hateful people when you're just trying to have a pleasant discussion.

Anyways I could understand the hate if Riftan was an actual red flag or black flag, like a rapist/wife beater etc. But i really don't think he is. His reactions might bc a bit much (with the yelling) but it's realistic. Most people react loudly out of fear, I don't think he's be abusive. Maybe a little neglectful. Which is understandable bc he's in charge of his people AND he's been at war for years. I just hate how people are ganging up on him but ignoring Maxi's "red flags" bc she's been abused by her father.

Tanxs and I completely agree with you

Love how Silla is the "multiple people" who agrees with you, as you argued to me in my previous comment thread. Also, saying that the other person was "name-calling first is such a hard cope, especially when the only individuals being mean-spirited here are you and that other weirdo, all because you don't like being told that your assessment of a character is wrong. It's just sad, but whatever. I'd remind you that you're getting stupidly upset over a story with awfully written romance, but that wouldn't change anything, lol. You're the same type of person who screams that users like us lack "reading comprehension" and "media literacy" because of valid critiques we make, completely ignoring the fact that criticizing a work of fiction is PART of media literacy, but, of course, someone like you wouldn't know this. Instead, you call us haters, morons, and then YOU fall back on actual ad hominem attacks because you know you don't have a leg to stand on in a conversation about bad character writing. The way I see it, the conversation was pointless, and I'm done engaging, lol. My opinions won't change, same as yours, so I hope to never cross your vapid comments again. You'd be smart not to respond, but we both know you're not. How sad.

Lmao, get a grip. "Smart not to respond" just say you're full of it. Took you a while to come up with all that, didn't it? You're not even worth the debate. You're in the minority here, more people agree with me than disagree. Also, I'm upset? Girl, reread your comments. If anyone's upset it's not me but go off i guess. You can't say you're not mean spirited and then pop off like that. Bit hypocritical

Saying my opinion is wrong just bc YOU and Poppy don't agree with it, is ridiculous. And you do lack reading comprehension lol I read your comments, it's pretty obvious you criticize riften's character way more than Maxi's. Anyways, I'm over this topic. So have fun being blocked, it'll help you not interact with me since it clearly bothers you when someone has a difference of opinion. Have the day you deserve ♡

Oh girl, just ignore whoever RabbitMage is. They act like they know better than everyone else reading this story and understand it more than anyone, so if your opinion differs from theirs, you're automatically wrong.
I've seen multiple manhwa readers and novel readers disagree with the way they interpret the story and Riftan's perspective, and they've called them out for it. But guess what? Their usual response is to insult people first and then block them.
They never criticize maxi for any of her flaws, it's always riftan they attack in the most hateful way, they even found a way to blame riftan for maxi own mistakes, and according to them riftan is worse than maxi abusive father. They also seem to jump on anyone who openly says they like him. Just ignore them. They're simply an immature hater, that's all

Thank you! I'm going too, I decided to block them since they just want a fight and to bully someone online just for a difference in opinions

legit, i would rather this consensual fluff with a dumbass, in denial mc than a story filled with the mc constantly getting raped and sexually assaulted. Plus i find it funny how ugly they draw the queen, i actually like how expressive and over the top a lot of the emotions are drawn

Ikr, I find the story and the art choices to be pretty comedic too

It’s just bad writing. Like those 2013 wattpad fanfics

Fr, wattpad was so cringe

*Hyesung not Byul

Let it go. The story is about byul not his „mom“.

author used hyesungs story tho? at least work it out well?? acting like he isnt one of the most important characters

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

If the author wanted it to be about Byul, then Hyesungs shitty egg doner should never have been brought up. And Byul is old enough to know what he was doing is wrong and that he has NO right to hold his mom's second thoughts against him. The two issues are NOT the same. Hyesungs mom abandoned him and left him in an abusive household. She only came back for money. And Byul knows that. Yet still chose that nasty persom over Hyesung. Don't even get me started on the husband's betrayal. I would divorce over that. Easily.

"this is byul story" is not an excuse to add hyesung trauma as stepping stone for byul story then throw the plot in ocean

Yeah, it really ruined it for me

Samee

real cause he’s so obsessed with sleeping around but he acts so innocent too like what