I like MC's personality a lot, but the original body owner kinda annoyes me. He chose to blindly follow his lover although he knew the guy was sketchy as hell. He relied on him instead of using his own brain. And even after being betrayed into taking unbearable loan, it was his choice to sink even lower clinging to illusions and lies. The result of these choices he consistently made every time step by step was being completely ruined emotionally, mentally and physically. I do pity this guy a lot. Still I feel like he is a total brainless fool who self destructed himself for exceptionally idiotic reasons. Seriously. You should be seriously devoid of both common sense and sense of self-preservation to make it this far into own ruination.
That's called victim blaming. It happened because he was vulnerable not because he's stupid.
So, you think the victim should be whitewashed no matter what choices he made before the mishap? This is funny. I believe an adult should take responsibility for his own choices.
If you choose to blindly follow someone who has already harmed you as much as in this story, this IS the act of self harm and self destruction. Following your logic, the smoker should blame cigarettes for destroying lungs instead of himself for lightening it.
No this is definitely victim blaming. Also those two things are completely different.
I’d say it’s common knowledge that cigarettes aren’t good, and of course it would be on them for most cases I’ve seen that they started it in the first place.
However if they got addicted to it then them doing the cigarettes wouldn’t be on them, but it is their job to get the help they need. Of course with loved ones around them helps with that as well.
Smoking and being in an abusive relationship isn’t the same thing. Most of the time you know smoking isn’t okay, but getting into an abusive relationship is a very complicated thing.
Is his actions towards his members okay? No, but it’s not his fault for the actions of his partner. It’s not fair to blame him for putting trust on the wrong person, but the person who did the harm.
The og wasn’t mentally well, and this guy took advantage of that and it’s always those types of people who prey on people who are vulnerable and you’re not helping by insulting them either.
I know this is fiction, but I really hope you don’t say this to real victims.
Blaming the victim instead of the abuser IS victim blaming. That sounds so ignorant
I believe that ignorance is to pin the blame on either one side or another. Just like you do.
I never once said that the abuser is out of the questions. I said that the adults should take responsibility for their actions.
Funny. You address to another human beings as a "preys" like animals and you don't find it insulting. While I address adults as someone who should be responsible for their life, but that is what you find insulting.
First A cigarette doesn't have the consciousness to manipulate its that simple
Second he had no one else to trust in the beginning its a psychological thing. He met jaehe before the others.
Third how is he supposed to 'take responsibility' he didn't know he'd get assaulted the first time. He didn't know its a loan shark the first time. He made each mistake once. He was in this position because he couldn't get out if the mistake not because he kept doing it.
idk why my reply is cut but you shouldn't compare a smoker with a victim of abuse. That's what I meant by ignorant.
It's similar to when a woman is raped, people blame the woman instead by saying "it's because you wear revealing clothes" "you should have known better" etc instead of addressing the main issue: the preparator.
The thing about victim of abuse is that they are mentally unstable, they are vulnerable to manipulation. Following what the abuser wants is NOT a self harm, most of the time it is a form of survival. They are afraid that's why they did what their abuser wants. I can say this because my friend is a victim of domestic violence. She is afraid of his husband, even when police is involved she can't free herself from him and his years long manipulation towards her.
"Adults should take responsibility for their actions" but the og mc legit is still a young naive adult who is prone to manipulation. That statement should be directed to the abuser NOT the victim. A simpler example is let's say, when you got tricked by someone and you didn't know they tricked you, you are essentially the victim, are you gonna accept someone saying "you are an adult, you should take responsibility of your action" to you? That's ridiculous.
That’s what they do. There isn’t anything insulting about it whatsoever. Prey has many other meanings and the meaning I’m using in this context doesn’t mean it’s about animals. Though humans are also part of the animal kingdom so I suppose you can think that.
Owe you worded that wonderfully, and the examples you gave made amazing sense as well.
Let's be real. He is a grown adult, not a kid and not an object to be "manipulated". He wasn't forced to sign a loan contract. If the content of the contract was clear, than he is dumb. If the content was tricky, than, yeah, everyone could be on his place. I could empathize with him, if he started to use his brain even a bit from this point. But what choices does he make after that? His partner made it clear right on the spot that he find this situation amusing and doesn't give a fuck about his trust. Still the moment he asked him to "trust" him again and get involved into smth obviously shady, he just went along with it again and ended drugged and filmed. You call it "being manipulated"? Why don't you call then every your choice and action in your life being manipulated?? It is so easy to put a responsiblity for yourself on someone else and blame them when smth goes wrong.
You say that he couldn't help and sink lower and lower...but every step forward that made his situation worse was made by him. Or are you seriously thinking that to be dragged around on the druggy parties clinging to the very same person who betrayed him into this is the only choice he could make?? Are all people with a huge loan and some dirt on them do the same? MC of this story landed on this very hopeless situation, than why is he doing just fine following your logic??
I can answer you that. Because he made other choices in compare with original body's owner. It wasn't luck that made him out of the shit, it was his actions that led to it.
Anyone can be tricked. But not anyone place their trust on the very same person who are harming them again and again and keeps following their lead. If you do - then you place the responsibility for yourself on another person and this is your choice to do so. With yours outcome to swallow. And not anyone with the huge loan and some dirt on them are dragged around druggy parties like a puppy on the leash. Come on!
There is nothing insulting in calling a fictional character, who is a dumbass, "a dumbass" and to wonder how could someone go down the obvious path of self destruction when it doesn't make any sense, and to be annoyed with that. I am sooo loving the topic "victim blaming" that arises every time the dumbass is a victim in some story! It is like some reader's brain turns off the moment the pitiful lovely dumbass is being harmed no matter that his brainless actions led to that mishap.
I am being real He was a kid when It started
Is he supposed to take responsibility as a teenager who was in love and treated right and then fooled into being assaulted and recorded? That is what made him do the other things threats.
It’s just concerning you feel this way toward a victim that’s all. I’m not annoyed, I’m concerned. I hoped you don’t say this stuff about real victims.
It’s just the lack of empathy is very disturbing to see. Which is why you should probably do research because I feel you don’t know much about the topic and you can understand why people are calling you a “victim blamer” because it’s absolutely true.
Especially the way you’re insulting the victim which does make it worse as well.
This is exactly why victims of abuse refuse to seek help and speak up because people dismiss what they went through. It's like telling sick people "why are you sick? Just get better!"
I think it's not your place to say some reader's brain turns off when you yourself refuse to acknowledge or at least try to understand where the og mc is coming from. Og sihyeon was barely adult when it happened to him, what do you expect from a teen stepping into adult world? Yes this is fiction, but what I like about this story is how real and raw the writer writes the og sihyeon, what og sihyeon experiences unfortunately happens to real people out there. Genuinely, I just hope you grow up, meet a lot of people, experience a lot of things and could understand sensitive topic like this and learn how to be more empathetic towards victims.
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I feel empathy when the victim is not one of the sources of his own misery. There is a huge difference between being the victim of circumstances and being the victim of your own reckless choices. Sorry, guys, but the last is not someone worth much sympathy, from my point of view.
I hope you grow up too and understand that "victims" and "abusers" in real life are often the same people, who are going through the circle of violence turning from one status to another. And it is really immature and ignorant to pin a blame on the one side without giving much thought what lead to the event.
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Reading your comments I feel like your are the one who doesn't know much about the topic. The abusers are not the only one who capable to fuck up someone's life. In real world people usually are perfectly capable to fuck up their own lives themselves.
The pitiful guy we are discussing here in this topic is pretty much good example of it. He went so perfectly in sync and hand in hand with his shitty partner towards his own ruination that it made me feel annoyed at the end.
Please don't get me wrong. As I said at the very first comment I do feel pity for the guy. It is impossible not to, given how heartbreaking the scenes of his misery are and how heartwarming were the previous scenes where he was presented as a caring bro to his little sis. Still the extent of his "trust" towards his lover and the lack of common sense made me loose a significant part of my empathy.
ML is sooo not worth it. It will be so frustrating if FL is soft hearted and has no trust issues after being played with by this smug jerk. I seriously hope he will suffer a long period of time, do some deep self reflection and it will take him a lot of efforts and time to win FL over again. Or better if she starts dating someone else. Although there is no chance the author will give us a decent ML instead of this piece of work.
FL in this story is a cruel self-centered woman, who doesn't give a damn about other people. She only cares about her own pain and disregard other's. I get that she had a pitiful traumatic past and has a horrific present with no one to rely on. But is this a free pass to treat people around her with indifference, calculation and cruelty? It was her, who drove Eclis to madness while toying with his feelings. Did she feel even a bit of a guilt? Not until the end. She trampled on him again and again to ruin him totally, although she clearly knew that he is brainwashed by Ivonne. How did she treat Winter who fulfilled her every request and showed her nothing but goodwill? She was showering him with distrust and drew the line at every step he tried to close the distance. It didn't even appear on her mind that despite his doubts he was always on her side. Because she never cared about him.
While treating others like a tools, with distrust and insincerety, she expects them to love her and blame them for lacking. I don't think that this kind of person is worthy affection. Frankly I feel like ML is wasted on her.
She was trying to survive certain death thinking this was just a game. Of course she is going to treat characters as tools
Tell me you didn't understand the manhwa without telling me you didn't understand the manhwa
i think you should stick to mediocre stories if this is your takeaway after reading 200 chapters of this. like you genuinely read ts with your eyes closed
I love your answer! When you come across someone's comment you disagree - use "you don't understand the manhwa". Sure
I think you are dummy
Well, it is not like she is a lost case. Her attitude is changing around the end. Still most of the story I find FL unlikable and annoying. I happen to dislike people who are victimizing themselves while disregarding others.
The story is pretty good. Although it is a bit annoying how forgiving and supporting is MC towards his ex-husband. I don't think that he should have taken revenge on his ex, still he is excessively kind towards the person who deceived and abandoned him after using him.
Honestly I wouldn't want him any other way, because if that mf hadn't died and remained a god, he would've lived in eternity watching his obsession fall in love with someone else, and River his biggest regret be happy without him. Not to mention, River would never hate him, which would only hurt him more. Ughh, I'm just mad he ended up with that cutie man, HE DOESN'T DESERVE JACK SHIT.
I don't l think he loved him! I think he was just alone and became obsessed with the company he gave, then after losing him so unfairly, it became a really toxic obsession. Then with River it was THE SAME SHIT, MAYBE he felt something at some points, but I DOUBT it was love. love isn't selfish, and it sure as hell doesn't drive you to kill said person for another bitch. Pmo
Can someone correct status? This webtoon is not completed at all.
I think it’s cause initially it was completed at the end of the hs era but the author actually ended up continuing it.
I want Uno to take Enzo off his high horse, may be even to screw him a bit at the 2d season. I wish to see him a beaming winner again. Because at the 1st season it seems that Enzo has an upper hand whenever they battle and each time Uno is forced to obey.
I love how brazen and free spirited Uno is, so it pains me to see him being roughed up mercilessly by his partner
Also I disagree with the comments claiming the emperor to be a "red flag". He is surprisingly not. I abhor the guys who humiliate and torment their supposedly "beloved" one in romance while being actually sane and have some compassion towards other people around. But the tyrant here doesn't actually hurt FL or humiliate her in particular. He treats everyone the same. He is simply crazy fickle and violent and all people around are the same toys for him. So I don't feel anger towards him when FL is groveling at his feet - everyone do the same around him to survive.
Moreover, I started to like him after FL ran away. Because he didn't want to capture her like his "prey", his didn't want to punish her to ease his hurting feelings, he didn't want to dominate her. He just wished her to be by his side and he ACTUALLY corrected his behavior so that she would fear him less. This is sooo rare for this type of powerful arrogant MLs! This guy actually changed his way and restrained his bloody thirst, he earnestly made perpetual efforts to become someone his beloved can feel safe and fall in love with. How is that a red flag??
He is a "death flag" towards everyone including FL at the beginning of the story, but as soon as she caught his interest he acts like a clumsy clingy kid towards her.
Word. Lowkey, everyone else around her that she trusts and isn’t afraid of has done more damage to her plans and relationship than him to be very objective here (other than her maid whose kindness and loyalty is sadly being taken advantage of). I don’t agree with the imprisoning here though, so he’s losing the sauce here, but everything BEFORE that was chill lmao. They’re just not good for each other and need a soft reset back to the beginning.
Well, to be completely honest, I don't think this guy is a good boyfriend material for anyone
he literally just imprisoned her so idk about not being a red flag anymore but before that i would’ve agreed with you
I liked the webtoon at the start. Because it was refreshing that FL didn't fall for the hot crazy fucker as soon as he showed her some signs of affection. But at some point the emperor grew on me. And after I got the spoilers of the ending I stopped reading this story, because for me this type of ending is disgusting. ML didn't deserve to be killed by the only person he cherished and cared about. Yeah, he is cruel evil madman, but she is the only person who has no right to do so. He spared her endlessly, he corrected his behavior in hope to lessen her fear of him, he granted her wishes and released her maids from the prison, even her imprisonment wasn't out of evil will, he just believed it was the only way he could protect her after his followers tried to poison her. He fought his god's will every day and went through insufferable punishment for her to stay alive. While all he received from her to his efforts was fear and distrust. So far he is just pitiful. She didn't actually suffer THAT much from him even at the beginning. And the way the author ended the story is like a mockery towards the guy. Not only FL killed him, she made him a real zombie who has no will and not a shred of original personality, just following her forever as a dead empty shell of a previously proud mighty emperor. If you ask me this is mockery and act of some cruel perverted obsession. So FL of this story who I empathized with at the start, left me with disgust at the end.
...that is how this ends??? Wtf. I got catfished by the art ╥﹏╥
stomach brutal fantasies of the author. This is not the first drama I've read in which uke goes through disproportional senseless violence, but the main couple here is either unrealistic or insane. Not in a good way.
Uke in this story longs to be a victim of abuse, a total sacrifice, I swear. You can curse me, guys, and explain that it was all because uke was consumed by guilt , but how can he still be hung up on seme after years of being treated THAT way? And even in the next life he still "loves" him with the whole intact memories of being brutally tormented to death by this man. Does this love seem realistic to you? If this character resembled even a little a real person, he would avoid seme like a plague in his next timeline! It is pretty romantic to hold a believe that love outcomes everything, but no, in real life it is not. If you treat someone the way seme here treats uke and this person still stay with you - this is not because of "love".
As for seme I don't even wanna comment. I just want to say, that someone who treats ANY other living person that way can't be considered a human being. The seme's violence here isn't happening in a state of affect. It goes for years meticulously planned and conscious evil acts of degrading other person to the ruined nothing. I am lenient to abuse to some extent in romance, it is not like hit or rape itself is unforgivable in any story. But the seme here simply cannot be empathized with. I know you, lovers of this story, explain yourself that although seme is unredeemable trash, he is still well written complex character who has motives to act this way out of his tangled feelings and confused mind. I don't buy it. Well, may be this character is a well written form of merciless brutal psycho, but not an example of a sane person capable of love.
whole heartly agree
Finally! I found my people.
Well said
Yo what i feel but lets be real here is uke really staying for kloff or his 6 i think children from his past life? Cuz we all know how much he has yearned to meet them and i just want him to be happy
The art is pretty hot. And It is not as bad as I thought after reading the comments. Uke doesn't seem all that reluctant, also he is actually more abusive than seme is. He is greedy, violent and full of suppressed fear and anger. While seme is playful, manipulative and obsessive with uke. I'd say seme here is gaining less from the deal.