I don't get what the author wants to say at all. Yes, aeroc deserved death sentence for being directly related to rapiel's rape and murder. But the extent of abuse he was subjected to was way too disproportionate...also, who is kloff to decide his punishment? He is not the law...even the law will not hand out such a punishment.... Not that aeroc will ever get absolved of his crime whether he had the intent to kill or not is debatable though. So he simply should have beat him up once or twice and then killed him. Rape is not a viable punishment in my book atleast...even to the vilest creature...i wouldn't say they deserve to be raped. And let's say aeroc is paying for his crime but what about kloff ? Who will make him pay for his? His crimes are arguably a hundred times worse than aeroc's imo.
I also hate the framing of his logic by the author. Exhibit A: he points out to aeroc that his son resembles his mate...and that we all can interpret...he won't call aeroc his mate right? He was referring to rapiel....coz he wanted to "tear off aeroc's calm face mask". But then in his pov...he says he only pointed out that aeroc gave birth to his son ? Really? He said he wanted to taunt aeroc but how would that count as a taunt..when aeroc would be happy to be acknowledged as his mate ? BS. Just BS.
And if he was ok pointing it out...and the way he kept goading aeroc about how he was heartless coz he didn't cry when his children were taken away...then why did he abde and torture him again after little rapiel accidentally walked up to aeroc that day.... He even threatened to burn him alive...
Exhibit B: kloff also somehow makes everything all about himself...he literally sent aeroc out in the streets to be gangraped and he could that could lead to death too...but doesn't forget to throw himself a pity party saying " I can imagine what happened to you but it's not like you lost anything other than your confidence (bro he literally got raped and had multiple pregnancy losses..but yeah that's no big deal right???) while I shed tears of pain everyday buhoooooo. Fuck this bitch. Wtf is wrong with the author.....and well the author is showing him to be mad in hatred...but where is the resolution? Where is the retribution? Nowhere. Even when aeroc suffered the same fate as rapiel(which i agree was karma in a way and I'd say he deserved it ...had it not been for the extremely prolonged abuse and torture he suffered prior to that)....kloff still managed to make it all about himself..."waah why is someone carrying my child getting raped and killed again??? Why me ??". I'm disgusted...
Exhibit C: kloff is quite the practical man so he chose rapiel and projected on aeroc calling him a swine in heat when he himself had been staring at aeroc's ass before...but then when he saw aeroc's sad face watching him and rapiel...he smirked ? No matter what you say i feel like even before he married rapiel he didn't ever love aeroc, he was just attracted to him physically....coz how would you behave this way towards someone you cared about just a few weeks/months ago...? And after that we'll obviously he only tortured him..beat him so badly his whole body ached..he almost had a miscarriage due to the after effects and basically treated him as a birthing machine. He saw rapiel in him even though the author initially framed it as if kloff chose rapiel coz he's the socially acceptable omega version of aeroc...then in one scene he was staring at a long haired aeroc smiling..then when aeroc turned his face away.. kloff exclaimed "you're the one who's intolerable"..as if offended by aeroc's action..but?? He was the one looking through him ? Who does he even love .. such crucial details are just left to imagination..even the novel doesn't talk enough about kloff's piv and his feelings for aeroc in detail..except for chapter 9 and 21 here where i find his feelings for aeroc very superficial..aeroc seemed much more invested ... therefore I did not get why kloff got so obsessed with him and made him bear his children rather than just beating him up and killing him finally? What even is the character of this man kloff ? Dd he love rapiel and what we're his five years away like ? Did he think about aeroc as much as aeroc did? Coz it seemed as if he met him ..then decided he's out of league...then he began taunting him and showing rapiel off to him..there was never a single tender moment from his side or even longing so in my mind....he wanted to sleep with him but couldn't so he insulted him again and again...he never loved him.
And you're telling me this scum never even had anyone curse him out even once and for to live again with a brand new aeroc ? Are you fucking kidding me? It boils my blood seriously.
There's something called proportionality...and while I don't expect kloff or anyone who lost their spouse (by the hands of someone they felt attracted to in the past) to be able to keep proportionality in mind while they take revenge.....this was like 1:100...it was horrendous, monstrous and not deserved imo.
This was wayyyy too long, but thanks if you read till the end.
you're in favour of death penalty?
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Im conflicted on some of these points, but overall this was basically how I felt reading this through, but multiply the rage by like 2000
The topic of death penalty itself is complex . , however, Yes, for crimes like rape. Yes. But why ask me that? You're not ? Anyway aeroc didn't rape anyone....he indirectly did but yeah... anyway if someone did that to my spouse I'd kill them too... that's what I'm definitely in favour of... I did not say death penalty btw....i meant being killed at the hands of the victims family, there's a difference between the two being acceptable. Hope that helps.
Do tell me which points? Maybe regarding killing aeroc ?
so you're in favour of vigilantism, even if it's murder, instead of death penalty? o.o ...okaaaay....
Not about Aeroc dying because I suppose that isnt too far-fetched of a karmic ending, but moreso about how you said he "suffered the same fate as Rapiel" and how that fate was deserved. Though, it could just be me mis-interpreting your intent and wording, because the way I read it I assumed you meant Aeroc dying brutally, after an extreme(sexual) assault(which I personally do not believe to be something that he would have deserved ever), but if you meant him dying sad and alone, I do understand that viewpoint I just don't really support any of that punishment being carried out by Kloff--because, as you stated, Kloff's revenge was not stemmed from his love for Rapiel (despite how hard he tries to convince himself of that), it was instead moreso stemmed from that fact that he had something "taken" from him, by someone whom he had very mixed, twisted desires for. And in the end he allowed his internalized rage at his desire for Aeroc, along with his devastation at his loss (not the loss of Rapiel but at the fact that he lost something) and handled those selfish emotions in the most sickening way possible.
What ?? So it's vigilantism. Yes I am 100% in favour. Kill those who kill your innocent loved ones. And kill the rapists and child molesters too while you're at it. Okay ?
Now that you made me think about it... death penalty for rapists and child molesters sounds absolutely fitting and proper too.
Yes like i mentioned before rape is never a viable punishment in my book. Even for the most vile person. He also didn't intend for rapiel to get raped.. however they were ultimately his choices that lead to this and being and adult there's no way he couldn't have foreseen that such a terrible scenario was a very real n possible outcome of his actions...So, It looked like karma to me. But yes, nobody could ever deserve rape. Sad n lonely yes he would have deserved to die like that as karma....but actually not anymore..coz he paid back so many folds more...much much more.
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I also would like to know your reasoning as to why you think he didn't deserve any of that. Is it because you too think that rape isn't a punishment n nobody deserves rape...or because aeroc had already suffered so much...? Maybe both? Just curious.
Oh my God, you opened a can of worms, and now the other people are going to come at you. Honestly speaking, I have always, always, always said that if there are multiple timelines, the author should give us the POVs of the other characters as well.
For example, in the second timeline, the author should have given us Aeroc’s POV and shown what he was actually going through. Then, in the third timeline, it should have been from Kloff’s POV. In the recent chapter, he said that he fell in love with Aeroc at first sight. Okay, I can tell you right now, that is obsession. That is not love.
Like, come on. In the third timeline, Kloff had the perfect opportunity to go after Raphael and be with him, but he chose to come after Aeroc instead. He could have kept Aeroc on a leash from a completely professional point of view. He could have said, “I’ll be your financial advisor,” and used that position to stay close to Aeroc so that he could make sure Aeroc didn't harm Raphael.
Aeroc is naive. Yes, he is rich, but he is still naive, a typical sheltered person whose father died when he was very young, so he never really developed any street smarts. He just sees things based on what he assumes. Kloff can fool Aeroc again if he fooled him in first timeline manipulation his lack of financial understanding
Kloff had the perfect opportunity to get close to him through his financial advice. And in the second timeline, Aeroc literally pushed him to confess, yet Kloff is still the one pursuing Aeroc. So, in all three timelines, you can see that the obsession actually comes from Kloff, and of course, Aeroc is obsessed with him too in his own way.
And again, as I have already said in my previous comments, none of the readers are saying that what Aeroc did was justifiable. Whether his intention was simply to harass and scare Raphael, or whether he acted out of naivety, what he did was still Aeroc’s fault. That doesn't change the fact that Raphael was innocent, and later, Aeroc’s firstborn was also innocent.
The interesting part is that, in this third timeline, if you really read it carefully, we can see that Kloff is in love with Aeroc. In all the timelines, yes, he was physically attracted to him, but physical attraction should not automatically turn into love. To me, it was lust and an inferiority complex. I don't understand why the author decided to write it that way without really getting inside Kloff’s head or giving us the same depth from Aeroc’s side.
Even the author’s note I read seemed to favor Kloff over Aeroc. She even confessed that Kloff loved Aeroc, but she didn't use the word “obsession.” Instead, she described it as twisted love, anger, and insecurity. She also said that he abused Aeroc because Kloff wanted to punish himself for falling for the man who murdered his husband and child, or at least caused their deaths.
Again, there should have been a proper section where we could see both of their points of view and understand what they were experiencing, especially if they remember what happened in the previous timelines.
The shared trauma and neglect in this story are also baffling to me. Kloff has trauma, Aeroc has trauma, and yet their relationship keeps getting dragged through all of this without properly exploring how those experiences affect each of them.
And as I read Raphael and Liuns’s story, especially their side story in the second timeline, it honestly felt like Liuns’s relationship with Raphael was forced rather than something that developed naturally into genuine love. Raphael was pushed by his parents and manipulated by Liuns. That is just my opinion, though.
But ultimately, this is my whole take on the situation: when the punishment for a crime surpasses the crime itself, the punishment becomes a crime in its own right.
Aeroc’s actions are not justified, but that does not automatically make Kloff’s obsession, punishment, or behavior morally justified either.
Definitely. Imo a punishment can be more severe than the crime if you consider that the debt has to be paid with interest..but the situation here is just too imbalanced...the revenge is so severe that it has become a much bigger crime ....like not just surpassing it but a hundred times ! I too don't buy the love at first sight bs....like he way he kept acting out of spite after that ? No that's not love. Aeroc also make snarky remarks but it was clear that he did it out of jealousy and kloff knew that...still he kept rubbing his relationship at aeroc's face again and again....he was a big hypocrite.
Like I said...there was no need for the prolonged abuse... revenge could have been swifter. At last we had a demon at our hands. I can't believe the audacity kloff has inthe third timeline... saying so easily..how he'll start from the beginning with aeroc. The way the author is trying to convince the readers that this is in fact a tragic love story is not digestible to me. Why were all the emotional moments cut and swept pass....those chapters between 9 an 25..ish....there were many instances when kloff just came to beat him up and then rape him...he said vile things while e used his weakness body....he was so cruel...n then he has the gall to cry ? The person getting beaten into pulp isn't crying....aeroc isn't..he was just happy to be out of the slum where he must've brushed past death uncountable times... He had paid for it by that time...more than enough. I wanted to know what was going on in kloff's mind then.....when he took little rapiel away and abused aeroc for looking at the child...when kloff stared at aeroc for a long time ..was he really reminiscing about rapiel? Did he ever feel guilty ? Did he ever call a doctor for the battered aeroc ? Wonder how many organ failures e was suffering from. I hate that maid too..
I especially hate kloff for one other reason which is ...all the accusations of being heartless that he throws at aeroc coz the man cannot cry....it's because of kloff himself...he was the one who took the children away, he was one who threw aeroc to the wolves, he was the one who gave him a small sized shirt (rapiel's)....and when aeroc reacts exactly how a nobleman who grew up with rules will....kloff curses him out. He just wanted aeroc to wail like a coward and beg for his help and forgiveness...but at that point, aeroc had realised the extent of his crimes and accepted that what he did was indeed unforgivable. This story is so heavy for the heart. I wish atleast in season 3, kloff will face retribution...but that's just the wishful me.
I honestly think she didn’t put that much thought into it while she was writing it. She probably never expected it to become this famous or that people would analyze every little detail. I feel like, while she was writing it, she was probably thinking, “I’m just writing the story. Who’s going to question it this deeply?”
I think fanfiction author did better job not to be rude
Yeah, I think probably both, mostly because I think Aeroc did end up paying for his crimes tenfold in his first life, and even after all that suffering he continued to repent with his guilt and self loathing in his second life, and I also don't think rape should ever be used as punishment or revenge---atleast I personally could never imagine using it, but maybe people who have been brutalized in such a horrific way would better understand the nuance behind that perspective.
Yeah, if I think about it, I can't really judge if a victim turn and rape their rapist back....since they're the one who were brutalized.
My intuition tells me this will never have the chasing arc i desire.
FOR REAL TOO EASY
Yeah it's gonna end up making me feel totally dissatisfied probably (is what I feel....)...but let's see.
Also the mc(seme) is soooo pathetic....a masochist...and a doormat. I know it's probably to maintain balance with weak ukes but I don't enjoy either of them (unless they have a good chasing arc)
Hey wait!! So his father used to sleep with a minor girl ? Also she was quite the bitch but that's trivial in front of the fact that she's underage? I wanted to see mc confronting his father..n I'm assuming he had a fall out with him? I wanted to see that scene. And his father ended up separating from that girl ? So how does he feel about being with a minor being a teacher and a father?? N traumatising his son who he claimed to love? Mc never should have contacted the father again. That pmo. But I absolutely love the mc n the ml.
My headcanon is that the old guy is dead (￣へ￣)
That was too easy on him...
It wasn't an easy death, he had some sort of slow, painful disease that killed him in my headcanon. There was much suffering (ಠωಠ)
I wanna know if euihyun dated others too ? He probably wasn't a virgin when he met mc ? Or was he ? And he seriously didn't even casually see anyone else while mc kept blocking his confessions and kept dating a queue of men ? That's pathetic ngl..... waiting 10 yrs....feel bad for him. And mc totally disregards his feelings while claiming to be his "well-wisher" n good friend?
he didn't date anyone, he lied to min. the one here at mangago isn't complete, i think? i red it on mihon and there's so much more there ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Really? What chapters are missing? So you mean the only person euihyun slept with in his whole life was min ? That sounds a bit far fetched unless you can point out the chapter where this was clarified? Coz in one of the chapters..eui said "we haven't been seeing anyone for about 2 years...this is the longest time we've BOTH been single"...he didn't need to say that if he was always single...
Also it was mentioned in euihyun's pov that e dated a girl in college who reminded him of min...but broke up soon..now I don't know how far they went but he did date her.
There are so many mihon apps on playstore..which one is it? And what's the name of this manhwa in the app? "Sweet as hell" didn't work.......
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Ahh you reminded me how bugged I was at the fact that poor eui kept pining by himself without looking at others while min knowing everything and reciprocating kept changing partners...but hey, who am I to tell eui what to do...he does was he wants.
there are 2 missing chapters here, the mihon app i downloaded is from web not playstore u need to download multiple sources in order to read the one i red, i can tell u the source once u downloaded it. i think that confession was around chapter 40-49? i just finished it earlier but i already finished 2 other so im bad at remembering lmao(￣∇￣").
it was explained on chapter 47 at mihon. he was so hang up on min that he lied he had a girlfriend 2 times(that was the only time he said he dated) there was an instance that when min got a lover eui also said that he have a gf so that min wouldn't feel guilty in a sense.
if u downloaded it download the source Bbato(god i miss the site lmao) it should have 52 chapters (notice included)
Man I feel so bad for eui...min doesn't even let him confess n doesn't reject him completely...he knows how eui feels but deliberately stops him right before a confession...that's so mean...n eui even worries about min feeling guilty despite that ? 9 years is soo long....
Please are they really not going to adapt the side stories..... That's more than just a bummer.
Kang moo, i found your twin....
Put us also on , where is Kahn moo from friend
The beast must die. He's a top though, and he's a total psychopath, a high functioning one. He doesn't physically overpower his partner or desire to confine him like Minyeong, instead...he plays mind games, he's locked in. However, he still has no intentions of ever letting his partner go but the thing is, for him his partner isn't a partner, he's a possession in his realm. And his partner is willing. Yeah. I love that story. And I must warn you....there's just one more thing kang moo desires even more than kirin....... you'll find out. Haha
Title????
The beast must die
Love these type of stories. Thanks for the rec
Mannnnn why don't they update it's so goodddd （/TДT)/
I love myself a runaway top trope. A bottom saving the seme from getting assaulted trope..... bottom being the overbearing one..and then the chasing one....trope. Thanks to the author. Yayy
That's why "Boss bitch baby" is my favorite bl obsessive uke
Yeah i really like that story.. especially when the bottom brought hojin's brother in a suitcase as a present for hojin loool but I don't dig the omegaverse side story coz he fucks other alphas while keeping the top...and yeah I still don't like it even if he tops those alphas and only bottoms for the his top. I mean i wouldn't like the reverse too if semes do it so yeah. And he doesn't even realise that it's wrong of him despite claiming that he only wants to spend his life with hojin aka hojin isn't meant to be a side chick...it hurts hojin making him "almost" leave for good many times. He's a dumb boss bitch. But that's not the main story...so overall I dig it. I also REALLY like "die in my arms" for the same reason, N there's one more where the bottom is an actor or smt n he's obsessed..I love it.
Shouldn't have blackmailed but poor chulsu...i thought he would be one of the main characters.....but he's being treated so badly ? Everybody is trash except chul-su....and maybe his og biological father who's only fault was being.... oblivious and inconsiderate in bed ??? That's actually nothing compared to all the bs the glasses guy, the conman the girl and his mom are doing tbh. Justice for Chulsu... he's just in a wrong manhwa.
I don't understand why mc ran away from the yoon house in his first life and ended up at evil uncle's place? He wanted freedom ? Didn't he wants to stay with kiheon ?