Interesting how Grayson got so indignant and surprised when Dane took control of the situation. His entire plan was to trap Dane underground until his heat came and he would have no choice but to sleep with him, thus allowing him to verify whether he was a dominant.
His plan works, Dane goes into heat and loses his mind, but Grayson wasn’t ready for it and tries to shut it down when Dane tries to sleep with him. Only Dane is too altered by that time for rational thought, and forces Grayson’s rut.
I just found it interesting that the second Grayson is on the receiving end of the treatment he gave to his previous partners and tried to give to Dane, he’s panicking and trying to regain control.
He suddenly cares a lot about consent (specifically his own), but doesn’t reflect on what that means for all of his past interaction where he was the one acting that way, except for Grayson it was a conscious choice, while for Dane it was a situation beyond his control that Grayson forced him into
Of course, the narrative will protect Grayson’s status as ml over maintaining Dane’s personality or a rational course of relationship for a relationship. I’m just here to watch the trainwreck at this point, but will probably drop soon since it seems the author will pigeonhole Dane into a classic forgiving doormat partner rather than giving Grayson any character development or progressing a realistic relationship
Still grape. And did you forget that Dane kidnapped Grayson first? Still grape
Ps. Toned down from novel
Yeah it’s all sa, my point was more the hypocrisy.
Also I don’t think Dane and Grayson should be judged the same. Grayson made a conscious and deliberate decision to force his partners into heat regardless of their consent countless times throughout his life. His plan here was to trap Dane long enough for him to go into heat naturally so he wouldn’t be able to resist his advances due to a compromised mental state. He knew Dane would never sleep with him otherwise.
He got his wish, he just didn’t like that Dane was able to overpower him and take control of the situation. He thought heat would make Dane more pliable and easier to control, but it didn’t go that way.
If Dane had any control over the situation he would have gotten the suppressants he needed and isolated as necessary to make sure nothing like this happened.
This story has a lot of reactive abuse caused by Grayson’s callous and harmful behavior. I’m not saying being a shitty person means you deserve abuse, but pretty much all of the bad things that happen to Grayson are primarily his fault.
If he had, at any point in his life opted to treat people with any degree of respect, courtesy, or human decency, there wouldn’t be a decent sized secret organization dedicated to his downfall. He uses people and then disposes of them once he loses interest, but their reaction to that treatment is somehow treated as separate from his conduct by the narrative.
Dane originally turned down the request to kidnap him because he just didn’t want to go that far, but changed his mind only after Grayson persistently ignored his boundaries and tried to pry into his life. That doesn’t mean he just gets a pass, but he would never have gone that far if Grayson showed a modicum of human decency or if he had any other way to be rid of him (he’s rich and morally bankrupt enough to follow him across the world, can’t be fired, etc…).
He thought if he could teach him a lesson, Grayson would leave him alone. That is Dane’s only goal, to be left alone, which should be easy to attain if not for Grayson’s blatant entitlement and obsessive harassment.
There are several scenes where Dane seemingly warms up to him, but this development gets cancelled out by Grayson’s entitled overreaching, because to him, his wants will always supersede the preference, comfort, and safety of the people around him.
Grayson is a malignant narcissist who constantly mistreats the people around him until they end up exploding in reaction to his mistreatment. I just don’t think it’s fair to judge them on the same moral scale.
Again, this does not excuse sa or mean that he deserves it. Dane is not in his right mind right now, he was cut off from access to medicine and ability to isolate. If he was lucid he would never choose to do something like that, while Grayson would, and has an extensive and unashamed history of it.
Couldn't have said it better
Most of the things you said never happen. I don't know where you read or if you've read at all.
Grayson never raped anyone in this novel and the other novels. Pheromone parties are done with both consent. Except the time the twins tried to rape him and he also defended himself against it. Ring a bell? He is consent prone, both giving and receiving. Also, do not justify rape. Dane was aware, made a conscious choice to sexually assault (clear in novel). Grayson was forced into rut so wasn't conscious by the end but said no and fought for it at the start.
Your ml is dane. MC is grayson. And who's the doormat? Dane? After reading 20+ chapter and still saying this
"Grayson made a conscious and deliberate decision to force his partners into heat regardless of their consent countless times throughout his life" it was always consensual with his partner, the bad thing he did is when he left them after knowing they aren't his partner. all of the girls in fire department was also okay with it and gave their consent with him, even with his other partners lol. check your novel translation or maybe it's your reading comprehension.
since you are going all out with the novel, include the part where dane deceives grayson that he was in rut when in fact it was dane's heat.
W-wait, wait a minute! What are you doing?"
As he frantically shouted and grabbed his pants, Dane raised his head. At the sight of him glaring with bloodshot eyes while taking rough breaths, Greyson was momentarily startled and flinched. Dane sneered lowly between gasping breaths and said.
"Pretty one, don't be a bother and stay still. It'll be over soon."
"What?"
Before he could understand, Dane strongly pulled on the pajamas that Greyson was clutching. With a ripping sound, the pajamas tore in two, and Greyson's face turned pale.
"Uwaaaaah!"
Greyson screamed in horror.
"What are you, what are you doing!"
Greyson stammered in protest, so flustered he could barely speak. Immediately, Dane covered his mouth with one hand.
"Shut up, my head is ringing."
Dane continued speaking to Greyson, who was rolling his eyes wide open.
"You were singing, saying you wanted to sleep with me. So let's do it. Right now."
He reached down and grabbed Greyson's penis. Then Dane said to the pale-faced Greyson.
"You just need to lie there. Try to get this limp dick of yours up, I'll just use this."
Under the palm covering his mouth, Greyson desperately shouted.
"Virginia! No!"
Dane roughly fondled him below, but his unusually large penis, taking after his father, remained submissively lowered with no response. Dane frowned and glared at Greyson.
"What are you doing, get it up quickly."
He shook the penis in his hand demonstratively, but Greyson stubbornly refused to yield. Instead, he knocked away the hand covering his mouth and urgently escaped from under Dane, shouting.
"This is rape, it's rape!"
Haa, Dane ran his fingers through his hair and sighed with irritation. The pheromones spreading from his entire body became even more intense. For a moment, Greyson flinched and froze.
"Pretty one, don't you think you should have at least one use besides your face?"
He smiled with a twisted mouth, but it didn't look pleasant at all. Rather, at the appearance of him trying to contain his anger, Greyson's heart sank.
"Wait, wai..."
He tried to stop him by extending one hand forward, but Dane violently knocked it away and grabbed Greyson's collar, mercilessly throwing him onto the bed. Just as Greyson, who had tumbled down, was about to get up, Dane pounced on him from behind. Then, surprisingly, he felt an unfamiliar sensation on his buttocks. At that moment, Greyson was horrified.
"Wait, wait a minute! Stop!"
Greyson shouted, shaking his entire body. His whole body turned cold with fear that he might really be violated. This was the most terrifying experience he had ever had. He lost his reason and swung his elbow with all his might. And it hit Dane's temple squarely.
"Damn it...!"
Dane cursed and backed away. Thanks to that, Greyson escaped the moment of crisis. Th-that was close...
"Calm down, let's talk first. You're too excited right now."
Greyson said as he quickly sat up and retreated. But those words were like pouring oil on fire. Dane, who had been holding his forehead with his head down, slowly removed his hand. When he raised his gaze, he already seemed to have no intention of listening to Greyson's words.
...Huh.
Suddenly, an enormous amount of pheromones enveloped his entire body. In an instant, his vision blurred, and vague memories of the past resurfaced. Was he going to faint again like this?
I'm gonna drop it now I'm so tired of ppl justifying the shittiest alphas and even calling omegas r*pists when alpha's the one who did all of this and used "r*pe" card cuz he wanted to have sex being top but now bottom, still forsing omega's heat under freaking ground. I hoped so much that at least here something's gonna be different like alpha really liked the omega (he did all of this to check if he's dominant literally committing a crime and knowing that omega doesn't want to sleep with him) so he would let omega top him BUT NO OFC NOT ITS ONLY GRAPE WHEN ALPHA THINKS SO SO NEVERMIND OMEGA AT ALL sry I'm venting
Grayson’s treatment of past partners, at least from the comic did not seem so clear to me. I’m not saying he never has consensual sex, but there were some pretty significant implications. Even in this chapter there’s a reference to how dominant alphas force their partners into heat, which is tied into Grayson shock at the same happening to him.
Also, the novel is irrelevant here. Comics are adaptations that are meant to exist independently even without the novel. Both are stand alone stories that are not meant to require readers to consume both simultaneously.
In this story (the comic) it’s clear that Grayson enacted a plan to sa Dane. He trapped him so that he would either have no choice but to sleep with Grayson to get him to open the entrance, or go into rut so that he would be inevitably easy to take advantage of. It’s assault either way.
When Dane goes into heat he tries to find medication to stay lucid, but has no access due to his imprisonment. It’s established in this world that people in rut/heat are not in their right mind and generally cannot be considered lucid or conscious enough to consent.
I just don’t understand the cognitive dissonance in the narrative that Grayson understands that heat will bring about an altered mental state that will get Dane to do/allow/ be unable to stop something that would never happen if he was in his right mind, but somehow when that instability hits, Dane is still considered fully responsible even though it was Grayson that forced him into that position.
It went exactly as Grayson wanted, he even got excited knowing that Dane was already past the point of control, behaving in ways he never would otherwise. He played with fire and it burned him, but if Dane had any ability to, he would have put that fire out long before it got to that point.
You mentioned that Grayson fought for it, and that’s true, but so did Dane. He knew he was about to lose his mind and tried to find what he needed to stay lucid, he only failed because Grayson imprisoned him. It’s a fucked up situation, but one entirely of Grayson’s making.
Thank you!! Can I quote your recap if someone reply to me with "Dane's the r*pist, not Grayson" bs? I have a feeling those ppl didn't read it at all, just scrolled the pictures
lol this is the first this has happened. you are the one justifying the omega because he is an OMEGA but if this was done by an alpha no matter what the intentions of omega y'all won't excuse this. fcking double standard. good thing y'all are illegal readers so you won't affect the story even if you drop this lol.
Exactly, it’s amazing that people can read about Grayson’s plan to sa Dane through either coercion or waiting until he was out of it from his heat, and blame Dane for his actions after he becomes out of it due to his heat.
He literally narrated the full plan to isolate him in a tiny underground dungeon without access to suppressants until he could be coerced into sex in exchange for escaping or went into heat so he would be easy to control. Neither scenario involved obtaining any genuine consent from Dane, but somehow it’s Dane’s fault?
It’s canon in almost every Omegaverse, but specifically this one that alphas/omegas in heat/rut are not in their right mind. Grayson knows this and attempts to use it to his advantage to sa Dane, except Dane isn’t as easily controlled as he thought. He’s only upset because the roles were reversed.
lol novel is the blueprint. i won't read this bullshit justifying an abuser just because he is an omega. it's clear in the novel and this is fcking fan translated not an official one. DANE KIDNAPPED GRAYSON FIRST but you are talking that it was all grayson's plan. it was admitted by dane himself too and he even said it to his father. fight with dane first and manipulate him that he is an innocent bastard. if you didn't know the dominant omega here are the most powerful one than the dominant alpha. grayson can't induce heat to dane and it shows in the novel too where he was in rut but even if Dane inhale his pheromones he was still in his right mind. erasing the novel just to justify your fck up interpretation lol.
because we read the novel and mind you the paid one. you are relying with this manhwa that depicts the other scenes from the novel lol. DANE IS A RAPIST.
There’s a difference between deliberately planning to imprison someone until they either agree to have sex with you in exchange for escape or lose their minds in heat where you know they won’t/can’t decline, and being imprisoned with no medication or way to isolate until you inevitably go into heat, lose your mind, and do shit you don’t want to do.
Grayson’s entire plan hinges on Dane going into an altered mental state that will make him more physically/sexually compliant with what Grayson wants to do to him, because he knows Dane would never allow it if he was lucid or in any physical state to resist.
If Dane had just gone weak and compliant from his heat, Grayson would have assaulted him as planned and patted himself on the back for a successful operation.
People in this world know what happens when a heat/rut hits them and that they will be extremely vulnerable or dangerous depending on the situation, which is why they take medications and isolate as necessary. I don’t understand how Grayson’s plan goes exactly as he wants except he can’t control Dane and ends up on the receiving end, but it’s still somehow Dane’s fault? I don’t care what happens in the novel because in the comic it is very clear that Dane is not lucid or in his right mind at that moment, which was exactly Grayson’s plan, he just thought he would be able to easily overpower Dane.
This is a manhwa, not novel, you dumb dumb. And i doubt that in your paid novel Dane was the one to lock them both underground to r*pe Grayson :)
Quick sum: Grayson locked them both underground TO SA DANE WHILE KNOWING THAT DANE DOSENT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM JUST TO CHECK IF HES DOMINANT. THIS IS A DOUMBLE CRIME. HE OLANNED AN IMPRISONING AND SA.
When Dane goes into heat, there're no suppressants and Dane's heat so everything goes by Grayson's r*pe plan, but now he has to bottom, he suddenly calls it r*pe, but everything is suddenly ok when he's on top. Grayson is a fcking grapist, try to read it with your eyes open before justifying a graphst and calling a victim (Dane) the bad guy. Alphas are the only ones with double standards while omgas have no choice
Detailed sum from above
"In this story (the comic) it’s clear that Grayson enacted a plan to sa Dane. He trapped him so that he would either have no choice but to sleep with Grayson to get him to open the entrance, or go into rut so that he would be inevitably easy to take advantage of. It’s assault either way.
When Dane goes into heat he tries to find medication to stay lucid, but has no access due to his imprisonment. It’s established in this world that people in rut/heat are not in their right mind and generally cannot be considered lucid or conscious enough to consent.
I just don’t understand the cognitive dissonance in the narrative that Grayson understands that heat will bring about an altered mental state that will get Dane to do/allow/ be unable to stop something that would never happen if he was in his right mind, but somehow when that instability hits, Dane is still considered fully responsible even though it was Grayson that forced him into that position.
It went exactly as Grayson wanted, he even got excited knowing that Dane was already past the point of control, behaving in ways he never would otherwise. He played with fire and it burned him, but if Dane had any ability to, he would have put that fire out long before it got to that point.
You mentioned that Grayson fought for it, and that’s true, but so did Dane. He knew he was about to lose his mind and tried to find what he needed to stay lucid, he only failed because Grayson imprisoned him. It’s a fucked up situation, but one entirely of Grayson’s making."
In this omegaverse, dane's genes are stronger than alphas. Can't you see that he is still very conscious of what he's doing? You cannot toss aside a novel detail because that's all where the complete information lies. Not the illustrated manhwa, adapted by other people, not drawn by the author.
Putting fault into a rape victim isn't pretty. He was also the one who got kidnapped by dane. He just turned it to his advantage on the spot. He was trained to escaped in situations like these and experienced them before to people abducting him for his dominant alpha genes. You sounded like it was a well thought plan of grayson and he has information of dane's heat schedule.
novel is the blueprint you dumbass. i won't read this shit. you fcking snake hole enjoyer.
The people saying Dane is a rapist, not Grayson are mostly novel readers. In dmyic and the other novels in this entire series, Grayson has never raped anyone. So argue with the wall. Unless you got all your information correct, you have no right to force your incorrect narrative. All these to excuse a rape ew
it's both of their fault but in your comment you are practically justifying dane and pinning all the faults to grayson. even added twisted narratives that grayson induced heats to his past partners to support your claimed lol. for the last time, novel is important here, the manhwa was bad at adapting the BLUEPRINT. you won't have this manhwa if the novel doesn't exist so you can't it's existence just to justify your claim.
You shthead ignoring Grayson who putted them both underground just to rape Dane and Grayson using rape victim card only cuz he didn't want to bottom but still did all of this to rape Dane.
Dane didn't plan on kidnapping Grayson to freaking rape him, GRAYSON DID
This is manhwa, and novel plot is the same. Grayson is a rapist from the begging
From your logic shouldnt Dane know to remember and bring medicine properly for his heat, since he was the one who initiate the whole thing? The whole fiasco starts because of Dane's plan to kidnap him, he just didnt expect Grayson to take advantage of it and backfire on him. If Dane was raped by Grayson because of that, would you still say Dane put himself in the situation or would you have called Grayson a rapist? I bet if that happened you would have said rape is rape no matter the reason instead. Your are thinking with your bias a theory about Grayson trapping Dane for sa even though what literally shown is Dane was the initiator for both the kidnap and the rape here.
they are doing all this but you would see them enjoying snake hole. the hypocrisy is sickening.
The whole fiasco starts because of Dane's plan to kidnap him, he just didnt expect Grayson to take advantage of it and backfire on him. If Dane was raped by Grayson because of that, would you still say Dane put himself in the situation or would you have called Grayson a rapist? I bet if that happened you would have said rape is rape no matter the reason instead. And you guys keep calling Grayson a rapist while cannot provide a single scene where he rape people says enough about your opinion
You're ignoring the fact that Grayson kidnapped Dane to rape him.
TO RAPE. ON PURPOSE. GRAYSON WOULD WAIT FOR HIM TO GO INTO HEAT SO DANE WOULDNT HAVE A CHOICE SO THEY WOULD FCK. AND ALL OF IT KNOWING THAT DANE HAS NO INTERSPEST IN HAVING SEX WITH GRAYSON. FORCING SOMEONE TO HAVE SEX IS A RAPE, ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS FULLY PLANNED AND WITH A PURPOSE (to check if Dane's dominant)
You're blind at this point
What's with you justifying a rapist alpha while complaining about other manhwa? No, I didn't like that slop, fyi. Seems like you did cuz I don't want to remember any of it
Then show us where did he rape anyone? Because right now it feels like you pull it straight out of you dream and not the manhwa or novel
Read the manhwa with YOUR EYES OPEN. RE
Dane didn't initiate kidnapping Grayson to sa Grayson, Dane didn't want to have sex with him AT ALL. Grayson did his shitty act to get out of Dane's planned kidnapping (where he'd get bitten up at most), and locked both of them in his parents fck house. UNDERGROUND. TO SA DANE. TO CHECK IF HES DOMINANT. KNOWING THAT DANE DOSENT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM.
RE READ 5 LATEST CHAPTERS to get your facts straight, I won't even read your messages until you do
Grayson locked Dane underground to sa him (prepared to wait until he's in heat cycle) to check if he's dominant omega. I hope you're trolling, don't reply to comments when it seems that you didn't even read the manhwa
If it’s not meant as a stand alone it shouldn’t be packaged as a stand alone. I really don’t think people should be required to read the novel for every single comic they read before being permitted to make observations and commentary about that comic.
I’m not “erasing” the novel (which I have not read), both are different iterations of the same story with different depictions of certain scenes and nuances between characters. It’s very common for a comic to make changes that don’t perfectly mirror the novel, which is why the novel does not matter here.
I am talking about what is depicted in the comic and the scenes that are being described to me from the novel are not the same as the scenes from this comic, which inevitably changes the narrative. I am sure you are correct about what happens in the novel, but they are different versions of the story.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect someone to cross check every observation they make of a comic to check if it’s still accurate when discussing the corresponding scene in the novel.
The way the comic delivered the scenes and depicted the behaviors doesn’t match with the novel descriptions. There are very important distinctions. I’m not saying this isn’t a fucked up situation, I’m saying that the comic’s depiction of Dane makes it clear that he is not in control the way he is in the novel, though it does not magically erase the consequences of his actions.
Dane’s state of consciousness also does not change the fact that Grayson planned to force him into heat in an enclosed space with a dominant alpha in order to sa him (again, as per the comic). The comic makes it clear that Dane just wants to get out, tries to find meds to maintain a lucid state of mind and fails. It’s very clear from his characterization so far that Dane at no point want to have sex with Grayson, bottom in general, and definitely would not want to risk having a baby (2 dominants in rut/heat is an insanely high risk) which all give the context that he (in the comics) is not lucid in this moment.
Yes, Dane did kidnap him, but not to sa him, he was at his wits end because Grayson would not leave him alone and thought if Grayson got beat up because of him he might leave him alone. But that is honestly a separate issue because it was entirely Grayson’s choice to trap him underground to eventually force Dane into an altered mental state so he would be able to sa him. His assault partially failed because he wasn’t able to control or overpower Dane. Until he realized that, he was perfectly happy with the situation knowing full well lucid Dane wanted nothing to do with him in that manner
You are the one who should read with YOUR EYES OPEN AND BRAIN RUNNING. grayson also never kidnap Dane to SA him, the literal first fee pages of this chap shows that his plan is to make Dane run out of patience, if he plans to SA Dane he could have try to do sth while Dane is sleeping. He has no idea of Dane is a dom omega for sure or whether Dane has pills on his hands for heat, and the only thing he can be sure of is keep Dane lock in the same place with him until he change his mind. Again and again about your SA theory but you have 0 proof to back up and keep forgeting that Dane is the initiator.
You are the trolling one. I'm keep asking for scenes or text showing that Grayson is planning to SA Dane, not kidnap him. And Grayson also asks Dane in the face that he wants to sleep with Dane once. Why bothering that if he can straight up SA Dane as you said?
The reason people are bringing novel here is because you guys are using your headcanon and ergue it as fact while it is not. Can you show any scenes or proof that Grayson plan to SA Dane cause right now I see that as your assumption more than fact. Grayson can have many chances to do it while Dane is sleeping twice and keep ot a secret until he do it instead of asking Dane and make him conscious of it. Both of that shows to me that he doesnt plan to SA Dane himself, and just try to make Dane run out of patience with the lock up situation. And he doesnt know whether Dane will go into heat or not with Dane keeps denying his gender and may have carried heat pills with him. Your reasoning that Grayson put himself in the situation that he can be raped is the same as saying if Grayson rape Dane during the early kidnap it is also Dane fault for putting both in close space.
Wrong conclusion in the first sentence. Level up your comprehension first. This story requires a lot of thinking because it's focus are sensitive topics. Again, level up your reading ability. Read the mahwa again or maybe the novel so you won't be making a fool of yourself. But first, clear your mind and your hatred so you will understand it better.
they won't read the novel because their logic is that the novel is not important here as it is a manhwa lol. dumbest reader i've saw.
Grayson locked them both underground to sa Dane. That's it. He did it on purpose, even if it takes weeks to Dane to go into heat, cuz underground there'll be only two of them and they'll eventually fck. If he didn't, they would just chill ON THE GROUND with the food, waiting for help
Already explained why in the manhwa, and I repeated it multiple times. Grayson wanted to have sex with Dane to check if he's dominant omega, cuz then there's possibility Dane's "his only one". Literally just for that. Knowing that Dane has 0 interest in Grayson and Grayson disgust Dane to the point of wanting to beat him up. READ THE MANHWA
The detailed answer:
"In this story (the comic) it’s clear that Grayson enacted a plan to sa Dane. He trapped him so that he would either have no choice but to sleep with Grayson to get him to open the entrance, or go into rut so that he would be inevitably easy to take advantage of. It’s assault either way.
When Dane goes into heat he tries to find medication to stay lucid, but has no access due to his imprisonment. It’s established in this world that people in rut/heat are not in their right mind and generally cannot be considered lucid or conscious enough to consent.
I just don’t understand the cognitive dissonance in the narrative that Grayson understands that heat will bring about an altered mental state that will get Dane to do/allow/ be unable to stop something that would never happen if he was in his right mind, but somehow when that instability hits, Dane is still considered fully responsible even though it was Grayson that forced him into that position.
It went exactly as Grayson wanted, he even got excited knowing that Dane was already past the point of control, behaving in ways he never would otherwise. He played with fire and it burned him, but if Dane had any ability to, he would have put that fire out long before it got to that point.
You mentioned that Grayson fought for it, and that’s true, but so did Dane. He knew he was about to lose his mind and tried to find what he needed to stay lucid, he only failed because Grayson imprisoned him. It’s a fucked up situation, but one entirely of Grayson’s making."
Your theory about Grayson plan to SA Dane has no proof so support except your assumption that Grayson knows Dane heat will come and he doesnt bring pills, both of which he never had anything to confirm. Grayson can have many chances to do it while Dane is sleeping twice and keep ot a secret until he do it instead of asking Dane and make him conscious of it. Both of that shows to me that he doesnt plan to SA Dane himself, and just try to make Dane run out of patience with the lock up situation. And he doesnt know whether Dane will go into heat or not with Dane keeps denying his gender and may have carried heat pills with him. Your reasoning that Grayson put himself in the situation that he can be raped is the same as saying if Grayson rape Dane during the early kidnap it is also Dane fault for putting both in close space
Your definition of stand alone is wrong. This story is not stand alone bc it is part of a series. But you calling a manhwa a standalone to not read the novel is wrong usage of words. This has a novel and this manhwa was based on it. And if a manhwa has details incorrect, missing, and lacks contexts, readers should be open to accept addtional informations from novels, not to force their narratives. That would be given so people won't be spreading mis and malinfo. You will not refuse the truth that happened on the novel but instead add it to your understanding to derive a better and correct conclusion.
Grayson did not plan to force him into heat because firstly, he did not know dane's schedule of heat. Not his plan, but an on the spot solution of his kidnapping. Are we reading the same story? Secondly, Grayson has never, in all the novels available, raped anyone. He is very strict with consent. Since you already assumes a lot, I'll be saying this detail.
You're dumb
Forcing Dane to have sex is rape. Locking him up underground for long enough so even if Dane had suppressants they'll run out and he'll go into heat is rape.
Locking someone up just so they'll have no choice but to "change their mind" is rape.
He did all of this just because he wanted to know if Dane's dominant omega, and the only way is to know for sure is to have sex (Dane didn't want to have sex with Grayson). Literally just for this. Dane didn't initiate any of this, Grayson did
"Grayson imprisoned them both on purpose (IT IS A CRIME) to r*pe Dane (IT IS A CRIME) while being fully aware that Dane doesn't want to have sex with Grayson at all (IT IS A CRIME)
Grayson planned it all (HE PLANNED A R*PE) knowing that at some point him or Dane will go into heat, and it happened. The difference is that Dane tried to find suppressants and didn't want to be there at all, while the only thing Grayson wanted was to have sex with Dane EVEN WITHOUT HIS CONSENT. And when it happened the only thing Grayson didn't like is being bottom and called it r*pe, but when omega in heat said "ok I'll be bottom" Grayson is enjoying himself"
Is there no filter to not see the type of readers who still forces their argument even when showed evidence from the novel? Even when you show them the author correcting them malinfo spreaders, they still close their minds to truths lmao
Then is Dane kidnapping Grayson an attempt to murder as well? He has been beefing with Grayson since joining, fight and physically hurt Grayson after Grayson coming close to knowing his identity. He also accepts Josh's suggestion knowing they plan to beat him up. Does that mean Dane is plotting a murder? You logic is of they do a then they are doing a+1 when in fact there is nothing to prove that. There are no ways Grayson can know if Dane heat is coming or if he doesnt have heat pill during Dane's plan to kidnap. The whole situation couldnt happen if Dane didnt decide to trap Grayson with his kidnap plan, which timing Grayson doesnt even know when will happen.
We're discussing the manhwa, the same thing happened in the novel
"Grayson did not plan to force him into heat because firstly, he did not know dane's schedule of heat."
Are you kidding me? He locked them both underground with food enough to last even when Dane's suppressants run out (if he had them), and heat cycle will come anyway, just like it did in the manhwa. Locking someone up is a crime, and he did it on purpose.
"Secondly, Grayson has never, in all the novels available, raped anyone. He is very strict with consent. Since you already assumes a lot, I'll be saying this detail."
Locking Dane up so he would have no choice but to have sex with Grayson is not consent, it's kidnapping to rape Dane. No matter during his heat cycle or just to get out of underground - Dane's being forced to have sex with Grayson anyway, literally life or death situation, with Grayson knowing that Dane doesn't want to
Locking someone up just to fck them when there's no choice is not normal and it isn't consent
You are obviously saying these with your mind in disarray and with hatred. Can't you see all novel readers here are correcting you because we have more details than you know. We have complete info than you? If you are this narrowminded to read and accept the truth from the novel, why don't you ask the author yourself if you are really sure of your assumption. Go on and argue with the author and force your wrong assumptions to the one who created the story. You are confident you are right and not blind right? Just go and prove your claim to save us from your insufferable bullshits. Come back here after you get your truth.
Dane's kidnapping Grayson to beat him up isn't rape.
When Grayson got out of kidnapping situation, he could get help from his family or beat/k!ll Dane, he could simply beat everyone up, literally anything.
But Grayson decided to lock Dane up in Grayson's parents fck house underground so Dane would have no choice just to have sex with Grayson just to get out of there.
Waiting for heat cycle so Dane would lose his mind due to heat and only two of them being locked up there or making Dane to change his mind to "ok I don't want to have sex with you, and you know that I don't want to, but you put us underground and will let me go only after we fuck" is not consent, and both cases are rape.
Forcing someone to have sex, esp under life or death situation and imprisonment is a rape
Listen carefully:
"Grayson imprisoned them both on purpose (IT IS A CRIME) to r*pe Dane (IT IS A CRIME) while being fully aware that Dane doesn't want to have sex with Grayson at all (IT IS A CRIME)
Grayson planned it all (HE PLANNED A R*PE) knowing that at some point him or Dane will go into heat, and it happened. The difference is that Dane tried to find suppressants and didn't want to be there at all, while the only thing Grayson wanted was to have sex with Dane EVEN WITHOUT HIS CONSENT. And when it happened the only thing Grayson didn't like is being bottom and called it r*pe, but when omega in heat said "ok I'll be bottom" Grayson is enjoying himself"
There is no getting to your head. So I'm saying, the author was available to be dm'ed on X. Go and ask her to tell you what really is Grayson's thinking in that scene, if he really planned to rape dane as you said. This was his pov, so you could correct it with the author. Stop wasting time repeating things and just go get your proof from the author.
But with your logic Dane might have plan to rape or kill Grayson as well. He has the motive and show the attitude, like what you are listing for Grayson here
. Dane has been beefing with Grayson since joining, fight and physically hurt Grayson after Grayson coming close to knowing his identity. He also accepts Josh's suggestion knowing they plan to beat him up or worse. He even said it out loud in front of Josh that he wanted to kill Grayson. With your way of thinking would you call Dane a murderer?
Oh dear puppnotwolf, who has blocked me without saying what's the sacred differents in Dane's or Grayson's actions,
Tell me, novel reader, that is still ignoring all the crimes that Grayson did,
IN THE NOVEL
Did Grayson locked Dane underground leaving Dane no choice but to have sex with him, and all of this just to check if Dane's a dominant omega and could be "the one" fo Grayson, or he did not?
Yes or no, based on the novel of course.
Your empty worlds that "smth is different in novel but I won't tell you what, but it certainly justifies all Graysons raping actions go ask author" won't do.
YES or NO?
Then can you answer did Dane purposely try to kidnap Grayson knowing full well how much harm he will receive and the potential that Grayson will fight back using any dirty tricks? If you can answer this then we can answer yours. Because you are conveniently forget how this whole fiasco start and whose plan is this to begin with.
Let's not talk about "what might have been", where talking about what has 100% happened:
Dane planned to beat Grayson up.
Not kill, not rape. And still no, Dane woundlnt rape Grayson. Dane didn't want to have sex with Grayson at all and felt disgusted when Grayson suggested it to Dane. Dane made it clear that he DID NOT want to have sex with him, multiple times. Reread the manhwa if you missed those moments
Grayson 100% locked them up to rape Dane.
On purpose. He wanted to know if Dane's dominant omega and forced Dane to have sex with him just for that. With tones of food and only two of them underground.
Kidnapping someone to beat them up and kidnapping someone to RAPE them are two DIFFERENT THINGS.
Grayson got out of beating by acting and raped Dane. That's it. That's what happened.
YES, locking Dane underground and waiting for his heat cycle or forcing him to have sex by saying "we'll never get out of here until he fuck" IS RAPE. It's not consent. Grayson's a rapist
But arent you also using what might have been logic with Grayson as well? Him locking Dane up + says he want to sleep with Dane = 100% he plans to rape Dane, didnt you say. Then Dane says he want to kill Grayson + plan with Josh + trip Grayson car to make Grayson unonscious + transport him away should equal him trying to secretly kill Grayson as well? Your double standard is showing here
Lmao "but I wont tell you what?" when novel readers here repeatedly tells you the situation?
That's why I'm saying you can just correct this with the author. They reply on readers dms. I can give you their un if you do not know. Are you afraid the author will tell you that your assumptions are wrong? Maybe you can prove to us that you are right after talking to the author.
Why? Do I have no right in blocking a person who is so far gone in forcing their assumption to others?
Then with your logic Dane is a murderer before Grayson is a rapist. Dane said it himself that he wants to kill Grayson and actively participated in the kidnapping plan. Again your double standard is showing.
"Pretty one, don't you think you should have at least one use besides your face?"
Lmao Dane said this while forcing to rape him. He knows the person he is about to rape is a person he hates
Grayson 100% locked Dane up to rape him
Dane wanted to kidnap Grayson to beat him up
No double standards, and no, Dane didn't plan to kill Grayson. He wanted to beat him up
Trying to justify rape under "but what if he wanted to kill him??? He didn't, but what if???? " won't work
But I have the exact scene where Dane said he wants to kill but you dont have for Grayson, no? You are denying you dont have double standard but emphasizing Grayson defi tried to rape Dane with 0 proof but glazed over the fact Dane tried to put Grayson's life in who knows what happen situation is double standard.
Dear puppnotwolf, you didn't answer my question, you just wrote a bunch of employ words.
My question was:
"IN THE NOVEL
Did Grayson locked Dane underground leaving Dane no choice but to have sex with him, and all of this just to check if Dane's a dominant omega and could be "the one" fo Grayson, or he did not?
Yes or no, based on the novel of course."
I specifically asked you, YES OR NO? Please, answer
And I reponse to you on that as well? Can you answer me then?
Did Dane purposely try to kidnap Grayson knowing full well how much harm he will receive and the potential that Grayson will fight back using any dirty tricks? If you can answer this then we can answer yours.
"Grayson 100% locked Dane up to rape him
Dane wanted to kidnap Grayson to beat him up
No double standards, and no, Dane didn't plan to kill Grayson. He wanted to beat him up"
No, Dane didn't plan on killing Grayson and he wouldn't. He didn't care enough. The whole kidnapping thing was about beating him up, not killing. 100%. Without "what ifs". You can reread it again if you're not sure
"Trying to justify rape under "but what if he wanted to kill him??? He didn't, but what if???? " won't work" x2
You are just repeating your comment so I'm repeating mine
But I have the exact scene where Dane said he wants to kill Graysin but you dont have for Grayson. You are denying your double standard but emphasizing Grayson defi tried to rape Dane with 0 proof but glazed over the fact Dane tried to put Grayson's life in who knows what happen situation is double standard.
I already answered, here we go again
Dane was 100% set on BEATING Grayson up
Grayson was 100% set on RAPING Dane
No "what ifs", that's what happened. "Trying to justify RAPE under "but what if he wanted to kill him??? He didn't, but what if???? " won't work"
And no, Grayson didn't rape Dane to protect himself or fight back, if it's another justification of a rape you're trying to come up with. Grayson is a rapist
And I also answer as well? By your logic Dane is a murderer before Grayson is a rapist since Dane has the motive, the grudge with Grayson, said he wants to kill Grayson and actively participated in the kidnapping. Your assumption about Grayson SA Dane is a what if with 0 back up beside your headcanon why Dane planning to hurt or even kill Grayson has even more proof to back up.
Then is Dane a murderer that has his plan backfire because he wants to kill Grayson and do the kidnapping? If I'm justifying rape then you are justifying murder right?
It is clearly stated that Grayson planned to rape Dane
And it is clearly stated that Dane wanted to beat Grayson up
Chapter 25 after Grayson locks them inside and destroys the remote, Dane asks why he would do that, to which Grayson replies “to sleep with you just once”. His goal is to check for a mark that only appears when dominant omegas “get aroused during sex”, which cannot be verified unless Dane has sex with him, which he has explicitly stated that he does not want. Imprisoning someone underground until they either agree to have sex with you or go into heat and can’t control themselves/fight you off is sa.
Dane says he wants to kill Grayson out of frustration, but is never serious about it and never puts a plan in motion to do so. He kidnaps Grayson to get him beat up in the hopes that it will make him leave him alone. He initially turns down the request flat and only changes his mind after Grayson constantly harasses him about his secondary gender.
These two incidents are not equivalent.
There was no murder planned, and there was a rape that was planned and had happened.
Stop imagining Dane tried to kill Grayson. It is stated he wanted to beat him up, no more, no less
And it was clearly stated that Grayson locked Dane to rape him
I'm tired of you "what ifs". No what ifs was planned and no what ifs happened:
Dane wanted to beat Grayson up, but failed
Grayson wanted to rape Dane and succeeded
I'll resend you those 3 lines if you write another WHAT IFFFFFF （￣へ￣）
"Did Grayson locked Dane underground leaving Dane no choice but to have sex with him,"
No. The trapping is his response to the kidnapping action Dane did to him. So Dane could not bring him to the place the main kidnapper (Josh) told him to. This is grayson's solution, to reverse the situation. It was not in his plan to lock them up to have sex.
I said CLEAR YOUR MIND to comprehend things. The others already told you this. And I'm telling you to also correct with the author but you don't want to. Prove to us that what you say are right and we are wrong by asking the author about Grayson's complete pov. It's my last reply to you because you are getting pitiful at this point.
Again you guys are doing a lot of double standard assuming. If you think Grayson locking Dane up to sleep with him once is SA then you should have applied the same logic with Dane when he plan to kidnap Grayson as well. Brushing off what Dane said as a frustration act but emphasize what Grayson does mean he plans this whole thing to rape Dane IS DOUBLE STANDARD. You cannot glaze one action and criticise the other when both are in the wrong. And saying Dane only kidnap Grayson because he harrassed Dane is the same as saying Grayson kidnap Dane back because Dane harm him first, which I dont see you doing here?
At least, puppnotwolf!
Now, "No. The trapping is his response to the kidnapping action Dane did to him. So Dane could not bring him to the place the main kidnapper (Josh) told him to. This is grayson's solution, to reverse the situation. It was not in his plan to lock them up to have sex."
Please back your words by quoting, otherwise I won't believe you, cuz it's completely different from manhwa, and at the same time you and other novel readers wrote that novel is a blue print, and if Dane was rapist in the novel, he is in manhwa, which isn't true
What was a motive of Grayson locking Dane up? If it was a "response", how would Dane be able to bring Grayson to the kidnapping place by himself? If Grayson wanted to reverse the situation, he would beat Dane up and leave him, was it Grayson's plan? Did Grayson forget about being obsessed with Dane being dominant omega? Did Grayson 100% not locked Dane up to fck him?
Don't get me started with Grayson's strength and family protection, let's pretend Grayson suddenly got rrrreally angry and wanted to beat Dane by himself, not fuck
And if you what you said was true, how exactly those thing justifies Grayson's actions in this manhwa, where it clearly stated that Grayson locked Dane to have sex with him?
this happen but did grayson take advantage of dane when he got in heat? no right. he immediately tried to check the butterfly but since dane jump on him and forced himself to grayson, he didn't get to check it and forget about it because he was fighting for his life. if his plan is to rape dane like what snake hole enjoyer have been saying, then why he didn't take advantage of him? you guys have been saying he is the rapist here but why dane needs to induced ruts first before he starts to like it?
Grayson locked Dane to sa him, it's not an assumption, it's a fact, not assumption
Dane asks why he would do that, to which Grayson replies “to sleep with you just once”.
Aaaand all the times Grayson suggested they would fuck to check if Dane's dominant omega
"which Grayson replies “to sleep with you just once”." Is not a joke, unlike when Dane said he wanted to kill him. Dane's plan was clearly to beat him up and a lot of ppl planned to BEAT him up, not kill
Here you go with your "what if" when there's no "what if". Justifying a rapist won't take you anywhere (anywhere nice, at least) （￣へ￣）
Those two things are not equivalent in general. Dane is out of options and can’t get Grayson to leave him tf alone after numerous attempts. Grayson could have prevented it from happening by respecting Dane when he said no. Dane would not want to be involved with or harm Grayson in general except for the constant harassment. Him snapping and cooperating in a plan to beat Grayson up is a last ditch effort to get him to leave him alone after every other option failed.
Grayson has been investigating Dane’s identity and traits for a while and has been gathering info on dominant omegas to try to figure out his secondary gender even though Dane has made it clear he doesn’t want to be involved. Grayson explicitly states that he locked them in “to sleep with you at least once”, so Dane can either “choose” to sleep with him, or Grayson would wait him out until his heat hits and he would be too out of it to resist.
Point being is that Dane kidnapping him is a direct reaction to Grayson’s persistent harassment as a last ditch effort to make it stop, which is not equivalent to sa in any scenario, Even while Grayson is planning to sa him, it is not retaliatory in his mind, he just saw an opportunity to do something he’s wanted to do for a while and he took it.
**these 3 situations are saying that Grayson has chances, he didn't force dane, and wants it not be a rape. Not to mention the days when dane was asleep. Also shows here that Dane raped him
1. "What exactly do you want by going this far? Are you doing this crazy thing just to find out my phenotype?"
"No."
Unexpectedly, Greyson denied Dane's assumption. When Dane frowned as if to ask what then, he grinned and said.
"To sleep with you."
"Ha."
Dane tilted his head back in disbelief. After briefly looking up at the elaborate ceiling light, he lowered his gaze back to Greyson and slowly rose from the sofa.
"Bend over, I'll fuck you. But I might throw up on your back while doing it, just so you know."
"No."
Greyson immediately rejected Dane, who was speaking while unbuckling his belt. When Dane stopped his hands, he added cheerfully.
"There's something I need to see. If you fuck me, I can't see it."
2. "Now that I'm wearing this, let's do it."
"Cut the crap."
When Dane cursed with an expressionless face, Greyson showed irritation for the first time.
"I don't sleep with the same partner twice. You just need to sleep with me once, why are you refusing?"
"Let me correct you, it's not that I don't want to sleep with someone, it's that I don't want you."
"Then just let me put my dick in and take it out once."
"Didn't I say I don't like repeating the same words? Remember it, you walnut head. If you make me say this again, I really won't let it slide."
3. "I said no, you can't rape me! Front or back, it's absolutely not allowed without my consent! So stop this pheromone now!"
With a face flushed red, struggling painfully against the rut, he shouted desperately. Seeing Greyson gasping for breath, hoping for this situation to end quickly, Dane frowned and clicked his tongue softly, "Tsk."
The next moment, with a thud, Dane raised his knee and hit Greyson's crotch. Greyson collapsed without even being able to scream.
"Alright, then."
Dane flipped over the collapsed Greyson to lay him straight, then took the top position again.
"I'll be the one to insert, okay?"
"No...!"
Just as Greyson was urgently trying to stop him, Dane grabbed his penis and pushed it into his own hole.
Grayson took advantage of Dane from the beginning by locking Dane up UNDERGROUND WITH NO ESCAPE EXEPT HAVING SEX WITH GRAYSON. There's a quote.
Grayson did it to force Dane to have sex with him to get out of there or to wait no matter how long it will take Dane go in heat so they'll fuck anyway. Both are rape, there's no consent involved, the whole situation is under Grayson's control. Dane has no choice. It's called rape
When Dane was in heat, Grayson didn't fight for his life (Dane didn't want to kill him) and was happy that everything's happening as he wanted, except Dane tried to top Grayson, and that was the only thing Grayson didn't like (so he called it "rape". I hate that piece of sht), but when Dane said he'd bottom - Grayson gladly gave in. And they had to fuck, not just Dane in his heat cycle, to see butterfly. Tho it seems like Grayson already knows the answer cuz of Dane's pheromones. Quick reminder that this whole bs is happening ONLY cuz Grayson wanted to
Dane didn't want to have sex with Grayson at all, that's why Grayson locked him up waiting for his heat cycle or forcing to have sex to get out
And all of this to see if Dane's dominant omega. Just for that. Committing all these crimes which his desires to know if Dane's dominant don't justify, and harassing Dane about his secondary gender on top of that. And you're still ignoring all of it
If it was a "response", how would Dane be able to bring Grayson to the kidnapping place by himself?
Thats the purpose I said? To avoid the kidnapping to succeed. He didn't have a plan to lock dane up to rape him like you said. If it was to have sex with him, yes to know if theres a mark. So he thought of locking them in the villa which was near where they fell from, after they are already there. No planning to rape, no locking up to rape.
**these 3 situations are saying that Grayson has chances, he didn't force dane, and wants it not be a rape. Not to mention the days when dane was asleep. Also shows here that Dane raped him
1. "What exactly do you want by going this far? Are you doing this crazy thing just to find out my phenotype?"
"No."
Unexpectedly, Greyson denied Dane's assumption. When Dane frowned as if to ask what then, he grinned and said.
"To sleep with you."
"Ha."
Dane tilted his head back in disbelief. After briefly looking up at the elaborate ceiling light, he lowered his gaze back to Greyson and slowly rose from the sofa.
"Bend over, I'll fuck you. But I might throw up on your back while doing it, just so you know."
"No."
Greyson immediately rejected Dane, who was speaking while unbuckling his belt. When Dane stopped his hands, he added cheerfully.
"There's something I need to see. If you fuck me, I can't see it."
2. "Now that I'm wearing this, let's do it."
"Cut the crap."
When Dane cursed with an expressionless face, Greyson showed irritation for the first time.
"I don't sleep with the same partner twice. You just need to sleep with me once, why are you refusing?"
"Let me correct you, it's not that I don't want to sleep with someone, it's that I don't want you."
"Then just let me put my dick in and take it out once."
"Didn't I say I don't like repeating the same words? Remember it, you walnut head. If you make me say this again, I really won't let it slide."
3. "I said no, you can't rape me! Front or back, it's absolutely not allowed without my consent! So stop this pheromone now!"
With a face flushed red, struggling painfully against the rut, he shouted desperately. Seeing Greyson gasping for breath, hoping for this situation to end quickly, Dane frowned and clicked his tongue softly, "Tsk."
The next moment, with a thud, Dane raised his knee and hit Greyson's crotch. Greyson collapsed without even being able to scream.
"Alright, then."
Dane flipped over the collapsed Greyson to lay him straight, then took the top position again.
"I'll be the one to insert, okay?"
"No...!"
Just as Greyson was urgently trying to stop him, Dane grabbed his penis and pushed it into his own hole.
**these 3 situations are saying that Grayson has chances, he didn't force dane, and wants it not be a rape, and only needs a confirmation. Not to mention the days when dane was asleep. The trapping them both all came up to him after coming up with the solution to the kidnapping and the villa being along the route of the heli they took. Also shows here that Dane raped him while being aware.
1. "What exactly do you want by going this far? Are you doing this crazy thing just to find out my phenotype?"
"No."
Unexpectedly, Greyson denied Dane's assumption. When Dane frowned as if to ask what then, he grinned and said.
"To sleep with you."
"Ha."
Dane tilted his head back in disbelief. After briefly looking up at the elaborate ceiling light, he lowered his gaze back to Greyson and slowly rose from the sofa.
"Bend over, I'll fuck you. But I might throw up on your back while doing it, just so you know."
"No."
Greyson immediately rejected Dane, who was speaking while unbuckling his belt. When Dane stopped his hands, he added cheerfully.
"There's something I need to see. If you fuck me, I can't see it."
2. "Now that I'm wearing this, let's do it."
"Cut the crap."
When Dane cursed with an expressionless face, Greyson showed irritation for the first time.
"I don't sleep with the same partner twice. You just need to sleep with me once, why are you refusing?"
"Let me correct you, it's not that I don't want to sleep with someone, it's that I don't want you."
"Then just let me put my dick in and take it out once."
"Didn't I say I don't like repeating the same words? Remember it, you walnut head. If you make me say this again, I really won't let it slide."
3. "I said no, you can't rape me! Front or back, it's absolutely not allowed without my consent! So stop this pheromone now!"
With a face flushed red, struggling painfully against the rut, he shouted desperately. Seeing Greyson gasping for breath, hoping for this situation to end quickly, Dane frowned and clicked his tongue softly, "Tsk."
The next moment, with a thud, Dane raised his knee and hit Greyson's crotch. Greyson collapsed without even being able to scream.
"Alright, then."
Dane flipped over the collapsed Greyson to lay him straight, then took the top position again.
"I'll be the one to insert, okay?"
"No...!"
Just as Greyson was urgently trying to stop him, Dane grabbed his penis and pushed it into his own hole.
"when Dane said he'd bottom - Grayson gladly gave in" why are you constantly justifying a rape with Dane being aware he is trying to rape?
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Dane flipped over the collapsed Greyson to lay him straight, then took the top position again.
"I'll be the one to insert, okay?"
"No...!"
Just as Greyson was urgently trying to stop him, Dane grabbed his penis and pushed it into his own hole.
This commentary is on the comic, not the novel. It doesn’t matter what the novel says because we are reacting to the way the characters and plot are portrayed IN THE COMIC. These scenes are very different, so they obviously have different connotations for the characters and plot.
Nobody is going to go out of their way to double check all of their thoughts about a comic to make sure they are still applicable for the novel version.
I get that it’s a different experience to read an adaptation if you’ve read the source material, but if media is marketed as stand alone, people will consume it like that, and they’re not going to go out of their way to double check every reaction to every development to make sure it was exactly the same in the novel.
There is almost always extra detail in the source material, but in this case it’s clear that there are important differences in these scenes that inherently change them.
IN THE COMIC it is very clear that Dane is not in his right mind, which was exactly as Grayson had planned, except that he wasn’t able to overpower Dane. Grayson’s plan was to sa Dane on his terms once he was out of it from heat IN THE COMIC and he is happy when he realizes it happened, but Dane is no longer in his right mind so shit hits the fan.
Grayson set up an assault that basically worked out the way he wanted up until the point where he wasn’t able to easily overpower Dane IN THE COMIC. If Dane had gotten weak or compliant from the heat, Grayson’s plan was to sa him, as he wanted to check for the mark.
They are not equivalent. Grayson (IN THE COMIC) planned it when he was fully aware and conscious, Dane (IN THE COMIC) did everything he could to maintain consciousness and only failed because he was imprisoned without the medication he needed.
Say Dane has no options except kidnapping for the harrasment because Grayson is again giving a lot of benefit of the doubt for Dane. Dane can says no to Grayson advancement, ignore Grayson like he did in the parking lot with George, keeps denying he is an omega or even reports Grayson to his supervisor when asked why they fight. He is a grown ass man and not a helpless boy who have no choice but to snap for Grayson's pestering. Yet at the same time you frame Grayson reverse kidnap and wants to sleep with Dane as an evil SA plan while he could very well do that as a reaction to Dane's kidnapping as well. He is not sure when and what Dane will do to him in Dane's plan so he use his resources that he knows Josh wont be able to get to to trap Dane instead. If Dane kidnapping Grayson as his last reaction to Grayson then wouldnt you assume the same to Grayson's kidnap Dane back?Assuming one has no resort and the other as evil for selfish reason is double standard
Your definition of stand alone is wrong. This story is not stand alone bc it is part of a series. But you calling a manhwa a standalone to dismiss the novel is wrong usage of words. This has a novel and this manhwa was based on it. And if a manhwa has details incorrect, missing, and lacks contexts, readers should be open to accept addtional informations from novels, not to force their narratives. That would be a given so people won't be spreading mis and malinfo. You will not refuse the truth that happened on the novel but instead add it to your understanding to derive a better and correct conclusion.
Also..
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"As I thought, I wasn't wrong!
Greyson's eyes sparkled with joy. Now he just needed to confirm the butterfly pattern. ***Just check the pelvis now...***
Just as he was thinking that, he tried to get up but hesitated.
...But why is he on top of me?"
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Where is the part you said that he wants to rape him if his heat arrives?
Your definition of stand alone is wrong. This story is not stand alone bc it is part of a series. But you calling a manhwa a standalone to not read the novel is wrong usage of words. This has a novel and this manhwa was based on it. And if a manhwa has details incorrect, missing, and lacks contexts, readers should be open to accept addtional informations from novels, not to force their narratives. That would be given so people won't be spreading mis and malinfo. You will not refuse the truth that happened on the novel but instead add it to your understanding to derive a better and correct conclusion.
Also..
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"As I thought, I wasn't wrong!
Greyson's eyes sparkled with joy. Now he just needed to confirm the butterfly pattern. ***Just check the pelvis now...***
Just as he was thinking that, he tried to get up but hesitated.
...But why is he on top of me?"
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Where is the part you said that he wants to rape him if his heat arrives?
Heeeere we go. Spoiler you lied
1 It exactly says that Grayson did it to check if Dane's dominant omega ""There's something I need to see. If you fuck me, I can't see it.""
Which goes agains his previous ""To sleep with you"" and "Dane"What exactly do you want by going this far? Are you doing this crazy thing just to find out my phenotype?" "Grayson"No.""
Still no proof that Grayson locked Dane up not to rape him. In manhwa it was clear that he wanted to have sex.
If Grayson just wanted to sleep with Dane (and it IS RAPE CUZ DANE CLEARLY DIDNT WANT TO), not to check his phenotype, it wouldn't matter who's top and Grayson wouldn't have asked Dane to turn back so Grayson can see the butterfly. Grayson clearly lying, and locked Dane to have sex with him. He literally says so: "to sleep with you"
Very interesting, considering that you told me that Grayson didn't lock Dane up to rape him.
And it doesn't match with you answer "The trapping is his response to the kidnapping action Dane did to him. So Dane could not bring him to the place the main kidnapper (Josh) told him to. This is grayson's solution, to reverse the situation. It was not in his plan to lock them up to have sex." AT ALL
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2 Here Grayson is harassing Dane to sleep with him, just like in the manhwa:
"I don't sleep with the same partner twice. You just need to sleep with me once, why are you refusing?"
Dane clearly says that he doesn't want to sleep with Grayson:
"Let me correct you, it's not that I don't want to sleep with someone, it's that I don't want you."
And ofc Grayson says the same bs as in manhwa:
"Then just let me put my dick in and take it out once."
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3. Please quote how they got in that situation, and why suddenly Grayson was against it (if it isn't the act again like in the 1), cuz it is stated that Grayson wanted to be the top and fuck Dane at the begging "To have sex with you" when Dane didn't.
"I said no, you can't rape me! Front or back, it's absolutely not allowed without my consent! So stop this pheromone now!"
Oh how cute, Grayson locked Dane up and said that he wants to fuck Dane, and somehow it isn't rape, but when Dane goes into heat, just like Grayson planned, Grayson is suddenly scared and calls it rape.
Remember, Grayson said (ur quotes): "To sleep with you." "There's something I need to see. If you fuck me, I can't see it."
If Grayson isn't acting, he's "scared" cuz he can't control Dane with his pheromones. Grayson wanted to dominate and have full control of Dane even in bed (which is even more of a disgusting rape), but instead Dane does.
Unfortunately, it is still rape, cuz Grayson locked them both for this exact situation to happen, and Dane can't control himself cuz of the heat. Dane doesn't have suppressants, and locked up in the place with the two of them. I remind you again that this whole bs is happening cuz Grayson locked Dane to rape him
But worry not, everything happened just like Grayson wanted: he had/is having sex with Dane, and Grayson is the one who's putting it in.
And Dane can't control himself cuz of the heat, cuz otherwise he wouldn't have sex with Grayson. Grayson purposefully put Dane in this position to rape him. To force him under "it's the only way out" or "you'll go into heat eventually, there's enough food". The second one.
I'll repeat again: Grayson locked two of them to have sex, and him being the top, despite Dane saying that he doesn't want to. And when Dane's in heat and can't control himself, it happened. Fuck Grayson.
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"these 3 situations are saying that Grayson has chances, he didn't force dane, and wants it not be a rape. Not to mention the days when dane was asleep. Also shows here that Dane raped him"
Grayson knew that Dane didn't want to have sex with him, Dane told him. That's it. Everything that happens after is rape. NO MEANS NO.
Grayson creating reasons so Dane has to fuck with him is forced and it's rape. Grayson clearly wants to check if Dane is dominant by sa him. Even Grayson's "Then just let me put my dick in and take it out once." is fucking disgusting and harassment
So Grayson locked Dane up and forced Dane to have sex with him, just like in the manhwa. FORCING someone who doesn't want to have sex with you IS RAPE. By locking up, by waiting for heat cycle so Dane wouldn't be able to control himself, by saying that the only way out is to have sex. It's called RAPE. THERE IS ZERO CONSENT
Grayson 100% locked Dane to rape him (forcing him to have sex is rape), you lied about that part. Grayson is a RAPIST. Even in the novel. You pooped you pants, congrats
I'm tired of your sorry ass trying to justify rapists, both in the manhwa and in the novel:/
Rape is rape. Locking Dane up so he wouldn't be able to control himself cuz of heatcycle and eventually fuck with Grayson is rape. You ignore this fact.
If you lock up yourself with someone you want to fuck, and drug that person (who doesn't what to have sex with you) enough to lose their mind and be like in heat cycle, you're at fault.
You committed at least 3 crimes (locking someone up without their consent, harass them by saying you want to fuck them and nvm that they don't want to, and drug them/waiting for heat cycle in this bs) on purpose. I'll repeat this example then
The issue is somehow with the manhwa you guys are glazing over the rape by making Dane a clueless victim.
He has no resort because of Grayson's harrassment -> he can ignore him, reports him to the chief and even beat him up. The extreme decision to kidnap Grayson is his personal decision, he is an adult who can resolve the issue maturely but decided not to because of his grudge with Grayson.
Grayson set up that asault -> with that logic can you said Dane set it up to put himself in danger as well knowing how crazy Grayson is but still chose to put Grayson life in danger? Doesnt he know Grayson will surely try to resist or pull some trick to backfire his plan?
Dane is not in his right mind -> Dane knows that he was forcing himself on Grayson, come to Grayson's ro himself, use his pheromone to induce Grayson rut and highkick Grayson in the face when Grayson tried to get away. If this is done by Grayson to Dane you guys would surely call out that this is violence and rape rather than the he is not in his right mind excuse.
Again with this logic of Grayson lock someone up to SA Dane but completely skipping what starts the trigger. And where tf did Grayson drug Dane from the manhwa? All of these details are being pulled out of your delusion that Grayson is an evil mastermind behind everything and Dane is a cluesless victim. With your way of thinking I can also argue that Dane is dangerously harming and trying to kill Grayson that he did this as a reaction to teach Dane a lesson as well. Dane has been beefing with Grayson since joining, fight and physically hurt Grayson after Grayson coming close to knowing his identity. He also accepts Josh's suggestion knowing they plan to beat him up. Shoukd I say whatever Grayson did to counterattack Dane's plan is him pooping his pants as well? Why Dane is suddently a victim and Grayson a rapist while this is Dane's plan, succeed or failure he is still one of the planner for this whole situation.
Aaaand another one to the puppnotwolf
Cuz it dosent matter for him whether Dane is forced by agreement or locked until his heat cycle (also Grayson would probably try to give Dane suppressant, but ofc he didn't even think of it. Not before, not in the moment).
Grayson knew Dane wouldn't fuck with him no matter what, and Grayson's usual charm and normal guy act won't work like with girls, even for 1 time. Ofc he could've forced Dane to have sex (which is still rape) even outside of his parents house, but now he decided to lock him up UNDERGROUND with tons of food waiting for his heat cycle (rape) so Dane would have no choice or him agreeing to have sex just to get out (also rape)
Grayson got "scared" cuz he didn't have sex with dominant omega before, and now that omega is the one who's controlling situation based on Dane's instincts (dominant pheromones), Grayson call it "rape", when the one who's being raped is Dane. Grayson did it all for this situation to happen, and it happened, against Dane's will (he didn't want to go into heat and have sex with Grayson, but couldn't control himself cuz of heat cycle). Dane had no control of the situation, he didn't want to be in it. Everything happened just cuz Grayson wanted it to, fuck that shthead, he got scared for the first time and dared to pretend he's victim while committing crimes, hope he'll die :/
And doesnt your exact words applicable to Dane as well?
If you kidnap someone who is famously known as crazy and try to harm/ beat/ or do even worse to that person that they decided to pull a trick to getaway and backfire you, you're at fault.
Dane committed at least 3 crimes (physically assualts Grayson for asking if he is an omega, kidnaps him including tripping Grayson's car and rapes Grayson) on purpose.
"There was no murder planned, and there was a rape that was planned and had happened.
Stop imagining Dane tried to kill Grayson. It is stated he wanted to beat him up, no more, no less
And it was clearly stated that Grayson locked Dane to rape him
I'm tired of you "what ifs". No what ifs was planned and no what ifs happened:
Dane wanted to beat Grayson up, but failed
Grayson wanted to rape Dane and succeeded
I'll resend you those 3 lines if you write another WHAT IFFFFFF （￣へ￣）"x2
"Grayson call it "rape", when the one who's being raped is Dane" wow that really said a lot about your opinion. You really are treating Dane as a clueless helpless omega like other stories and not someone getting into the consequences of his action - kidnapping Grayson. You know how Dane could have avoid getting into this situation? Fucking ignore Grayson or reports him to the chef like a normal human being. He make his own decision to kidnap a guys who has money, power and a twisted mind and you guys expect him get away scott free?
And I'm tired of your assumption that Grayson plans the whole thing, somehow guess Dane's heat cycle and drug Dane as well. Stop imagining things and try to excuse Dane's role in contributing to the messy situation.
- Dane plans to kidnap Grayson but failed
- Grayson sees Dane out of his mind, reject the sex and even fight him off but was subdued by Dane
- Dane forces himself on Grayson and succeed
I will resend it again until you stop with your delusion that Grayson plans everything and Dane is a clueless victim
If you lock up yourself with someone you want to fuck, and drug that person (who doesn't what to have sex with you) enough to lose their mind and be like in heat cycle, you're at fault.
You committed at least 3 crimes (locking someone up without their consent, harass them by saying you want to fuck them and nvm that they don't want to, and drug them/waiting for heat cycle in this bs) on purpose. I'll repeat this example then
Bruh you're one of those terrible ppl who will say that a girl who was raped is at fault, not the rapist, cuz she was wearing skirt. God you're disgusting
"There was no murder planned, and there was a rape that was planned and had happened.
Stop imagining Dane tried to kill Grayson. It is stated he wanted to beat him up, no more, no less
And it was clearly stated that Grayson locked Dane to rape him
I'm tired of you "what ifs". No what ifs was planned and no what ifs happened:
Dane wanted to beat Grayson up, but failed
Grayson wanted to rape Dane and succeeded
I'll resend you those 3 lines if you write another WHAT IFFFFFF （￣へ￣）"x3
Hope you're not that dumb and just trolling. Anyway I'm tired of your bs when there's literal proof quoted from the manhwa, have a bad day or smth
"As I thought, I wasn't wrong!
Greyson's eyes sparkled with joy. Now he just needed to confirm the butterfly pattern. ***Just check the pelvis now...***
Just as he was thinking that, he tried to get up but hesitated.
...But why is he on top of me?"
--- again your statement of saying he wants to rape him when heat cycle comes was wrong. So all your other claims would deem incorrect as they all say that grayson was the rapist, which he's not. Consent was one of his principles in this entire universe and you cannot twist it into something with all your conclusions and assumptions. He did not force Dane to have sex. Using how he communicate to people and his thinking process in coming up with solutions when this story was focusing to represent his mental disorder and brain defect due to dominant genes WILL NOT MAKE HIM THE RAPIST YOU WANT HIM TO BE. It was clear as day that Dane is the rapist but you are still finding ways to excuse it and blame it to Grayson. Are you really doing this because you cannot accept Grayson as the mc who was the most misunderstood in the series? That he had VERBALLY AND PHYSICALLY FOUGHT FOR A RAPE AND KNOWS CONSENT AS AN ALPHA AND A TOP? You are dismissing all the other information and choosing to only use the parts you thought would make him evil.
Funny how you complained the other puppy girl for blocking you and the go on to block me. Hypocrite much KekWWW?
If you kidnap someone who is famously known as crazy and try to harm/ beat/ or do even worse to that person that they decided to pull a trick to getaway and backfire you, you're at fault.
Dane committed at least 3 crimes (physically assualts Grayson for asking if he is an omega, kidnaps him including tripping Grayson's car and rapes Grayson) on purpose.
And arent your example explains exactly how Grayson was treated? Saying Grayson is at fault, he set this up and Dane only reacts, he cannot control himself is the same as saying a victim is at fault because she was wearing a skirt and the rapist cannot control himself. You are the people you are hating on.
In this entire series of If you can plus KML, Grayson was the one who constantly shows how consent was important. From kiss me liar to kiss me if you can, if you understood all his actions from there, it all points that he helps people avoid being raped(yeonwoo) and doing rape(chase).
So no, whatever excuses you say to portray him as the rapist, it will not change his characterization.
Yeah yeah I hope you'll get kidnapped and drugged by the same person and forced to have sex with them and won't call it rape.
Byeeee have a bad day you can block me too
Aaaand puppnotwolf
"If you lock up yourself with someone you want to fuck, and drug that person (who doesn't what to have sex with you) enough to lose their mind and be like in heat cycle, you're at fault.
You committed at least 3 crimes (locking someone up without their consent, harass them by saying you want to fuck them and nvm that they don't want to, and drug them/waiting for heat cycle in this bs) on purpose."
The novel is the same as manhwa, Grayson is a fucking maniac rapist
puppnotwolf I'll block you too now, don't bother with the response
You yourself proved that Grayson is a rapist in both manhwa and novel, and lied about him kidnapping Dane not to rape him but just to beat him up. I won't believe a word you say next, there's a ton of quotes from manhwa and novel. Guess you'll get it only when you're older or will be in the same situation as Dane
Have a bad daaaaaaaay
Sure KekWWW, I cant expect anyless from someone said Dane is raped by Grayson. At least I know what you wish upon me is not as common as you facing someone who plans to harm/ harrass you then sue or blame you for resisting. Hope you can keep the same attitude when that happens.
You just loooove ignoring details presented to you as proof and has little comprehension, don't you? My last reply was proof you cannot truly understand what you've read. Add to that a completely narrow mind. Good luck to the days you need to use that amount of comprehension. Hope you don't fuck up in life.
The problem is that your first assumption is already wrong, he didn't lock Dane up for him to get his heat. Grayson wanted to see the bufferfly mark, for that the dominant omega only has to be sexually aroused, no heat needed. Grayson slept with the females at the fire station to check for the mark, that means he slept with female betas = no heat. Having sex actually wasn't his priority, it was seeing that mark.
Dane is someone who is pretty impatient, and well a sex addict who sleeps with almost everyone, so Grayson most likely thought that Dane would soon reach a point where he just wanted to get over with it.
Actually Grayson got his answer the moment he saw Dane in heat, but he still wanted to see that mark. The only thing he needed to do was checkling his skin, no sex needed, since Dane was in heat and therefore sexually aroused.
If you are refering to the twins at the beginning when you wrote "his previous partners", they were trying to s.a. him, that situation wasn't normal.
And what we read and saw in the manhwa so far doesn't indicate that Grayson forces his partners/forces them into heat.
And since Dane is a dominant omega he can't force him into heat, even if he wanted to.
Oh Toru…
I actually already quoted that exact paragraph from the novel. That he only wants to check dane's pelvis to see the mark and not have sex because Dane rejected him. But this @KekWWW fellow did not understand a thing and has basically ignored that exact scene. That person was a hopeless case
All this 6 pages to justify Dane raping him WITH AWARENESS and shift the blame on the victim. Excusing someone who did physical assault, attempted murder, kidnapping, and sexual assault no less
Pup chill. He harassed him by disgustingly suggesting sex and bugging him about his secondary gender, locked him underground on purpose to force sex waiting for his heat which is rape and all of this with knowing that Dane doesn't want to have sex with him and only for his selfish desire to know danes secondary gender which is also sa. Crime on a crime and disgusting shtheads like you are still trying to justify him by "Oh Dane went into heat, he didn't want to, he was locked with hyper alpha against his will that said to his face that he did it on purpose to rape him with no suppressants and couldn't control himself cuz of heat!!! He's a bad guy, not Grayson!! Grayson is certifies psychopath but he's cute so we'll ignore every fucked up shit he does¡"!!! God you're disgusting. Grayson is a rapist, no matter what you'll imagine and ignore nothings gonna change it. Suck it up and stop spamming here for fucks sake i already blocked you
Honestly both parties are at wrong (Witchery, KekWWW, puppnotwolf, Annie) this is a rare case. Like so extremely rare that we wouldnt know what to do if this happened in fiction because it is so rare in real life. Instead of assigning a victim and prepertrator (English isnt my first language, i have no idea if i spelled that right), we should accept that both of them are wrong. With Dane carrying more of the blame but ultimately, equal.
Here are some of my takes on this whole arguement in general:
(1)***
Claiming that this Manhwa is a standalone, is true— though only partially:
We CAN read it standalone but reading it with KMIYC, KML and LMUIYC will let us understand it along with us understanding the universe/world more. Because this story is apart of the IYC series (kmIYC, lmuIYC, dmIYC) which takes place in the same universe
BUT SINCE you were debating about this; then you need utmost research—the 2nd most important thing about debating/arguments about certain topics or stories is information and R.E.S.E.A.R.C.H. Without doing ur research on the Novel and Manhwa then your evidence—henceforth—doesnt correlate.
You dont even have to read the whole Novel, just read the part which you are debating about, then you will have a deeper understanding of the issue.
(2)***
Claiming that 'Dane is the victim' or 'Greyson is the victim' is both wrong. Nobody and everybody is the victim.
Let me give you an example of a similar hypothetic situation:
If John planned to murder Tim but the plans changed unexpectedly so they got deserted. Tim then secretely kidnaps John—seceretly because John isnt aware that he is getting kidnapped, which is how kidnapping works—then who is the victim?
(i) Tim, who kidnapped John but was about to be kidnapped by John
Or
(ii) John, who was kidnapped by Tim but was ABOUT to kidnap Tim
And also:
Can Tim kidnapping John be called Self-Defense?
Or is what he did wrong becauase John didnt get to harm Tim by Kidnapping him?
The answer is obviously, None Of The Above (NOTA) because John is in the wrong and so was Tim. Both were the prepertrator and Both were the victim.
From what i understood:
Greyson planned to exhaust Dane into having sex with him—which is an example of forced consent or coercied consent. Which lies on the border of Dubious Consent (DubCon) and Not Consent (NonCon) but leans more to DubCon which is still in the lighter category of rape= Sexual Assault.
While Greyson was sleeping, Dane went into heat and raped him. But was what he did wrong because Greyson planned to 'rape' him? Yes, it is still wrong. Because Dane was dubious with his consent, he was in heat, he wasnt in his right mind—even so he didnt ask consent from Greyson; he didnt care because he was too horny. So this is still rape because Dane used his pheromones to induce Greysons Rut to make his feel pleasure and to 'shut him up'.
So, Greyson is in the wrong for forcing consent on Dane which is baiscally forcing Dane to sleep with Greyson. Which is Rape
and Dane is in the wrong because Dane used his pheromones to force Greyson into having sex with him. Which is rape
Always remember, two wrongs doesnt equal a right, instead: Two wrongs equals to a situation where both parties are equally wrong when rounded up/down with their faults.
(3)***
3rd of all. Do not use defamatory words to undermine somebodies and do not argue if you are biased.
To KekWWW, if you're biased towards a character, you are generally not supposed to argue about the flaws of that character. Because you will keep uprooting and defending them instead of understanding what your biased character did was wrong and that he would face the consequences to his actions.
And to all the parties of this arguement, do not use defamatory words to undermine somebody because that isnt proving your point or debasing somebody elses—thats venting your frusteration and anger, stay calm during a debate.
(4)***
Saying that Greyson planned this whole thing is wrong.
Greyson didnt know that he was going to be kidnapped until he actually got kidnapped. Greysons plan was to annoy Dane so much that Dane gives in and they have sex.
Saying that Greyson planned this whole thing while Greyson was only 50% sure that Dane was an Omega is false.
He wasnt even sure that Dane was an omega, thats why he wanted to check.
So no, Greyson didnt 'hide' supressants from Dane because he didnt completely know he needed them because he didnt completely know whether Dane was an Omega or not.
Also, the mansion didnt have Supressants because it was his Dom Omega and Dom Alpha's fathers mansion, so obviously lovers didnt need supressants for heat—they would just fuck each other.
(5)***
Saying that Greyson was only accusing Dane of raping him because he didnt want to bottom is wrong because he clearly said; (quote from novel)
"I said no, you can't rape me! Front or back, it's absolutely not allowed without my consent! So stop this pheromone now!"
Front or back means Dick or Ass in this context. Meaning, that Greyson was opposed to getting raped even if he was top. Because obviously nobdoy WANTS to be raped.
Dick(front) meaning Greyson didnt want Dane to forcefully put Greyson's dick into Dane's ass.
Ass(back) meaning Greyson didnt want Dane to forcefully put Dane's dick into Greyson's ass.
(And please dont be the kind of person who says that tops can get raped, they most definetely can—its just not common)
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I cant think of anymore problems that i came across in this arguement, but when i do, i will add on to this list. Remember that it is okay to accept you are wrong because you havent done the proper research.
I’m dropping this. It had some of the standard overdone trope in addition to arranging the entire story and personality of the mc around making the ml not look as entitled or shitty as he actually is. Ml essentially assaults mc as he continuously tells him to stop throughout the encounter, to the point where he starts trying to bargain with him. The narrative definitely won’t hold him accountable for that, but I’m so over this bs. Don’t waste your time
This shit fucked me up ╥﹏╥
It’s so beautiful in its exploration of sentience, emotion, and humanity. The gems seem somewhat apathetic to each other beyond matters of their defense against Lunarians. They have these intense, long lasting attachments after a loss, but even that seems to fade over time and they don’t have a particularly supportive social structure. That might make sense since they’re not biologically designed to be social.
We see over and over that Phos has the best of intentions to start with, but we all know where those can lead. They want to help Cinnabar, they want to retrieve their lost comrades, they want to end the lunarian invasion. They are slowly corrupted by memory loss, trauma, and all of the changes to their body. And the whole time, an entire society of ancient beings, including their Sensei have been slowly leading them to an inevitable end of destruction and loneliness. Phos just got such a raw deal. They were essentially raised as a sacrificial lamb.
1. They’re born weak and considered useless, to a species is in a constant war of attrition due to Lunarians trying to torture Sensei into praying (which he can’t do even if he wanted to)
2. they gain enough power to be helpful after several traumatic fights, but all of the people around them that they care about keep dying
3.everyone treats them like they’re nuts for being suspicious of Sensei
4. They are slowly losing their mind between all of this while losing memories and continuing to fight to protect their comrades
5. eventually gets damaged, which causes a head transplant combining them with another gem’s personality, further destabilizing/altering their mind
6. Gets awkward looks for being crazy again
7.labeled a traitor for going to the moon to find the lost comrades
8. Finds out the lost comrades have been turned to dust and can’t be fixed
9. Slowly loses sight of their goals because the lunarians and sensei have been manipulating their entire life to traumatize them enough to become human
10. Finds out that even though lost comrades can be restored, their memories will never return, so it won’t be the same beings
11. Tries to return and talk to Sensei to beg for a peaceful resolution, gets obliterated without hesitation by every gem left on the island, taken apart, and hidden in pieces for 200+ years
12. Gets messed up from being so damaged, then reformed (twice, once by Sensei, once by Aechma, who is implied to have focused on restoring more of their negative memories to cultivate the human emotion, vengeance)
13. Basically destroys Sensei by trying to force him to pray, then is forced to become god in his place
14. Left in complete isolation on Earth for 10,000 years to force them to properly absorb the power of god, even new gems are taken away to prevent them from having anyone to interact with. All of the other gems and sensei are basically partying without a care on the moon this entire time
15. Fulfills the wish and sends all sentient life into the afterlife, being left completely alone for millennia
16. Sentient life finally develops and they are able to interact with them, then the sun explodes and instead of taking the escape capsule with them, they are afraid of the corruption in their human parts and choose to die with the planet
The emperor pisses me tf off. He has always been a deadbeat to Etienne. He left his kid under the control of a morally bankrupt rapist (he did not want to marry or sleep with her, so she overpowered him with drugs and pheromones). That’s why she lost her shit about Etienne being an omega, because it was her only chance to conceive.
But he’s also at fault for leaving a child to the mercy of someone like that. He never even tried to teach or mold Etienne into a good son or ruler, just tried to tear him down and replace him with Rishar every chance he got.
Their relationship recently improved, but it was only because Etienne started to conform to what he wanted, and was useful in countering house Herace. He still doesn’t give af about Etienne and is more than happy to abandon/condemn him the second his secret gets out.
This is a really interesting example of how patriarchal constructs dehumanizes everyone. The very first plot point of the story involves the teammates deeming women attracted to an attractive bachelor as “nuisances” and then banning them from the premises without asking the subject. Then they are irritated by the inconvenience of not being allowed to have women over and basically scheme to set up DeMarcus with a girl that THEY deem is ideal, without asking his opinion, but their main goal isn’t really to help DeMarcus, but “get him laid to end the ban”, so they can all get laid.
Women who are trying to meet up with them are either a nuisance or a commodity, and it flips as convenient. DeMarcus is treated in a similar way. Just like they make assumptions about the intent and behavior of women, they don’t even bother to ask what kind of girl he wants, or if he even wants to meet someone that way.
I actually appreciate the subtlety and how it drives the plot without bashing the reader over the head.
I’m just tired of authors coming up with a self centered top and literally bending over backwards to create a selfless, devoted bottom who will rearrange their lives and take on insane burdens just to avoid inconveniencing or requiring the top to take any emotional or actual responsibility for situations of their own creation.
It just feels that in some moments Geonwu doesn’t react like a person or his own character, but an accessory to Taejun. As such, he will always end up prioritizing Taejun’s convenience and preference over all else. I just want real characters that feel like real, autonomous people, not designed to cater to an asshole mc and make sure they always look better than they are
Seriously. Even in fiction it's too much.
Have you read Dash? I think it's a good read if you want a more balanced relationship.
CLOCK ITTT
I don't go here but I feel this so much! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
yes, every story is a set of contrivances, characters and their traits included, but those things should work in tandem and synergize. too many stories feel like they've put the cart before the horse and feel flat and/or forced because the author is leading with the tropes, scenes, and story beats they want to include and not properly supporting them with characters with enough depth or detail to give them impact.
This is also why it’s so hard to find decent straight romance because patriarchy and misogyny have a death grip on common tropes, developments, and dynamics used prevalently in like 95% of them
It’s interesting that this is the moment the author chooses to show a more innocent and human side to Grayson. Up until now, he constantly behaves and thinks like a selfish asshole on the borderline of having antisocial personality disorder.
Now he’s about to get some karma, but we’re being set up to feel bad for him, like all the people he wronged are sniffing out some precious glimmer of empathy, as if he didn’t have an entire lifetime to start seeing others as human.
It's actually author's first story in the entire series even before kiss me liar and kiss me if u can so if you read and understand the different novels, they are actually showing how Grayson keeps wanting to help people. He did help yeonwoo not get gangraped but with chase, his solutions came out horribly and hurting. Author is hinting from the start this complex character by putting him on several stories. Grayson and Dane are the main characters in this universe. So she is not making us readers pity him or forget his wrongdoings. She is showing us the real Grayson from his and Dane's unbiased perspective.
This focuses on the mc's (grayson) mental disorder, his genes and upbringing (+his search for love to understand emotions) and ml's (Dane)healing from a trauma with grayson appearing in his life. While in the other stories, you can see how Grayson's condition affected the people around him.
Any shift in perspective will bias the tone towards the selected mc, but I guess my point was that this development doesn’t actually justify or explain his constant pattern of negative behavior. It’s essentially a guilt bomb set go off on people he has antagonized to the point that they made it their life’s mission to get back at him.
It’s not reframing these actions, but rather setting the stage to make the readers and the narratives choice in love interest, Dane, feel bad for him. Point being that him being excited about a few normal events in a normal way does nothing to negate decades of harmful actions which he has still not acknowledged or taken responsibility for.
The timing is just too obvious. Authors will bend over to protect a toxic top/ml from the consequences of their actions, and this just seems to be the setup for a shallow guilt trip.
Yes, Grayson will be justified in feeling hurt and angry about this, but if he had refrained from antagonizing and hurting others constantly, it never would have gotten to this point.
"Any shift in perspective will bias the tone towards the selected mc". You said it yourself. Kmyic and kml was seen from the perspective of the people who hated him and who don't know him well, so those are biased. Being told from his and other people's perspectives make this the closest one we'll ever get to know the real Grayson.
Read my reply again.
I think if this story was made to "guilt bomb", there wouldn't be other novels who support the narrative of this one.
We have, 1. Eat me up if you can (the grandfather's story, he who was said to resemble Grayson as per Ashley's initial opinions)
2. Lick me if you can (the side stories showing the parenting)
3. Kiss me if you can (side stories which told graysons reason for lying. actually, you wouldnt need the side stories to realize that he has good intentions behind the hurtful actions toward chase, that is when readers aren't clouded with judgement)
4. Deflower me if you can (talked about grayson caring for chase bc his brother was in danger of becoming insane. If I remember correctly, they also showed here how grayson chose chase over bliss in a certain situation)
5. Kiss me liar (included this bc desire was before this also. grayson helped yeonwoo here and if you're observant, his character being unique was already introduced by that scene)
I couldnt add Run away if you can because I haven't started the novel yet.
"The timing is just too obvious." What timing when this was literally the foundation of the other stories? It was planned and created first a decade ago.
It wasn't made to redeem, to gain sympathy, or to justify anything. It's to essentially learn information about a character who was only portrayed as villain from others' eyes. If you are still not seeing what I'm talking about even after reading the starting chapters, you are not getting the purpose of the story. It was already hinted from 15 chapters or so that he's showing symptoms of alexithymia. Or if you haven't read the novel yet, then these few chapters of the manhwa aren't enough for you to comprehend that it wasn't a 'setup to guilt trip'.
Like the other readers of this series, I also think zig went to intentionally chose the worst possible situations in Grayson's actions in kmiyc. To show the severity of thinking from a person affected by combined dominant genes from birth (brain defect since young), a personality disorder, and bad parenting. It also pushes readers to check the other novels if they want to gain new info or have explanation for each perspective they read.
I got carried away, I hope you read this with open mind. Also understood you would think that way with how this manhwa was adapted after kmiyc. Novels adapted are chosen by illustrators, not the author's decision. But really, dmiyc novel was created first like author said. So I don't see this made to bend up anything because this narrative is the truth.
*by the truth I meant the real Grayson
This story is such a great example of how abuse victims become abusers. Talia knows who is truly responsible for her misery, but everyone else in her life also participates or contributes to it. She doesn’t see a way to escape the abuse, so she’s at a precipice. She doesn’t really want to kill Ayla, but it’s the only measure of control that she feels she can exert, a more extreme version of her keeping the servants in line through violence. She wants to be free, she wants to be happy, she wants to be with her love, but it just won’t happen.
She is simultaneously incredibly jealous of Ayla for her loving family, her lack of abuse, and her betrothal to Varcas, but also completely self loathing. She hates her life, she hates how powerless she is, she hates that her mother only uses her, she hates the way she acts, she hates herself as a person.
At the end of the day, she isn’t lashing out at the person she resents the most, the person whose death would actually benefit her, or the primary architects of her misery, she’s trying to attack someone who appears weak enough for her to harm.
i love your analysis, honestly it just touches on how complex this story is and how people are a product of their environment not just that they are inherently evil
Ok I was actually upset that she basically got worn down into marrying him, but then I was pleasantly surprised when she died again lmfao