Omg. The amount of people making completely inaccurate descriptions about the characters is genuinelly making me go insane. LIKE POOKIEBEARS USE YOUR BRAIN
Please for the love of god learn empathy, while ur at that also learn Psychopathy—personally i think Greyson does have it, i dont think it was comfirmed in the novel.
Clearly, everyone in any story has their pros and cons. So does Dane And Greyson. Greyson is clearly psychopathic and his parents didnt rlly teach him empathy and he didnt take it up himself either as we can see.
Dane also has his flaws—as much as I loved him in KMIYC nd KML—he DID rape greyson that night, more like it started off noncon and ended with greyson enjoying it but nontheless rape because Dane used his pheromones to make Greyson feel pleasure (?)
Just cause you like a character doesnt mean you have to defend a character:-
I like Greyson Miller but he's psychopathic; he doesnt understand or regulate his emotions, he doesnt understand whats right or wrong and he lacks a lot of empathy. He doesnt take responsibility for his actions nor does he respect boundaries.
But just cause i like the character does not mean i support what he did. Psychopathy is a wiring in your brain, a factor. He could've learnt empathy and became a better human but he chose not to. His parents havent taught him empathy either; thats another factor. Factors can lead up to somebody being a 'bad' human being but it cannot—ultimately—stop them from being a better person. So we cannot excuse Greyson Millers actions simply because of these factors and because of his psychopathic tedencies but we can understand that these factors caused these actions.
And Dane also has some issues and needs to solve them. Whatever happened in his childhood has stunted him so he definetely needs to check that but more or less he is more healthy mentally than Greyson.
Dane also is strange though i havent done much research on him so i wouldnt know how to write a character sketch on him. But I know his basics. He has empathy, he feels sympathy for animals and victims. He is kind. But he is suicidal—not depressively—in a way that he THINKS he doesnt deserve to live in a case of sacrifice because he has no one—clearly false.
And he's afraid of having a kid, he doesnt want to turn out to be like his mom (i wont say anything more since i dont wanna spoil )
But please do your research on empathy levels and third dimensional characters before making a rant about a charater cause i'm sick and tired of people calling Greyson a Red Flag while praising Dane to the skies.
(I hate the term flags in general, it limits characters to one sterotype with no abstract catogories. We cant place characters into boxes because their so abstract and strange—catogorising them would remove the complexities of a character because we're just boxing them in.)
The reason I love Zig's novels so much—except Roses and Champagne, I need to do some more detailed research about that but Caeser is def a 'bad' human being with factors of being so—is because they makes 3rd dimensional characters.
Unlike any other author, Zig genuinely makes characters with pros and cons. With empathy so i enjoy her novels very much :D
So Just take this simple advice. Research abt the characters then write a character sketch. And just dont make character sketches if you box ppl up to 'red flag', 'green flag', 'yellow flag' or 'black flag'. Because human beings and characters dont work like that.
Anyways if anyone wants to novel just ask me for the link, ill send
a whole essay? damn. Never knew this comic would stir everybody up to fight for their biased fictional characters. You know what? Excellent business strategy, the more divisive the community, the more engagement for profit to the authors' advantage. Wonder how the comments section in lezhin might look like,
I just have a few questions abt omegaverse that have kept me up at night. And IK ITS JUST FICTION AND I SHOULDNT QUESTION IT but I just need to hear some of these answers. (Some of these r kinda weird)
Most of these questions depend on the author, but I wanna know the readers personal opinion so
1) Do male omegas have periods?
2) Can betas get male omegas pregnant?
3) Do female alphas have dicks?
4) [following the 3rd question] If no, then how do female omegas get pregnant by female alphas?
5) How do male omegas poop and get pregnant? How do they have wombs? Is it like breathing and eating in the trachea? (Meaning, theres a moveable lil flap thingy that seperates the two holes)
6) Are omegas naturally 'feminine'? (Like skinny, pretty, cute ;all that)
7) Do babies get a combination of their parents pheromones? or is it like they randomly get assigned to a certain scent?
8) How does sexuality work? Does 'gay' mean Omega×Omega or Alpha×Alpha?
9) How does religion work? (Take christianity for example) Is Jesus an omega, alpha or beta?
10) Is omegas in the omegaverse treated similarly to women irl? Like stereotypes, i mean.
11) How would an omega male get an abortion? Do they have to cut him open? Same question for birth.
12) Do female alphas take it anal when they want to bottom?
Well thats all the question (that i could conjure up currently) so PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE, i wanna hear someones ideas SO BAD
Edit: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ANSWERS. My eyes have been opened to so much worlds, you guys r crazy creative to revolve a world on a PORN genre. I LOVE U PPL ))))
I TRIED MY BEST TO ANSWER MOST OF THEM!!
1) Do male omegas have periods? (Probably not)
2) Can betas get male omegas pregnant? (Only alphas and anything higher then that are capable of getting male omegas pregnant)
3) Do female alphas have dicks? (Yes)
6) Are omegas naturally 'feminine'? (Like skinny, pretty, cute ;all that). (Nope)
10) Is omegas in the omegaverse treated similarly to women irl? Like stereotypes, i mean. (most omegas are looked down at in a lot of stories so yes)
11) How would an omega male get an abortion? Do they have to cut him open? Same question for birth. (I believe they do get a c section)
12) Do female alphas take it anal when they want to bottom? (Yup)
I'm gonna try to answer some of the unanswered ones; I'm just guessing here so I'll try my best
5. How do male omegas get pregnant/poop?….. I genuinely don't know; um your guess is as good as mine I'm guessing they have hidden female anatomy somewhere in there. It only comes out when they are doing the deed, and I guess the other one comes out when they need to use the restroom... Definitely an interesting question. As a biology student(not yet a doctor) I can say with certainty that under no circumstances could a man get pregnant unless he is a transgender man so… yeah, you need to have complete female anatomy and genealogy to procreate. However, we are always learning and studying the possibilities of the human body, so maybe one day we could create a new species of human with 3 genders (alpha, beta, omega), so who knows! Maybe one day, a (born as a man) biological male can get pregnant? I would for one love to see that, would be so cool to study. Also protect the dolls and trans rights.
7. Assigned scents… So the human body does NOT have natural pheromones or “musk” that can be used to sexually attract a partner. (Although this is still being researched, I will include a scientific medical investigative journal at the end of my comment) The whole spiel on pheromone perfume or whatever is a complete myth with no actual scientific evidence. The only animals known to secrete pheromones are insects, rats, voles, lobsters, etc. But in this case, we can say that yes humans can indeed secrete pheromones that can physically affect a person; we can say that the scent itself can be genetic. Scent can actually be genetic and it can be influenced by a certain human odor receptor, called the OR7D4 gene. So assuming that pheromones do exist in humans, yes certain scents would be genetic. I can provide links to my information if you want to cite or fact-check me.
As for the rest of your questions that were unanswered.……. I genuinely do not know. The idea of an omegeaverse in reality is incredibly out of the realm of possibility. There is a reason why the omegaverse only exists in works of fiction and NOT in the real world. If humans were hermaphrodites and could reproduce asexually, then MAYBE the omegaverse could be real? But I sincerely doubt that this could ever really exist in the real world. . The idea of its existence is very contradictory and sort of blasphemous. It's fun to think and read about don't get me wrong! But any notion that the Omegaverse could ever exist is very far from reality. Nonetheless, I still like my men pregnant and my women with dicks in fiction lmao, even though it could probably never exist. But like I said! Science is always changing and we are always learning new things every day, so if anyone wants to prove me wrong I would love to see your comment!
Cites; https://www.healthline.com/health/is-scent-genetic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK200980/
i've always thought about this, these are my opinions
1) i don't think omegas get periods, because they go through a heat cycle (like wolves)
2) yes, because sperm is sperm, as long as the other person has a uterus and is fertile
3) yes, but it's like retractable
5) it makes no sense to me that omega males won't have a vagina + uterus...
6) no, not all but i feel like it would be more common for omega males to have similar fat distribution to women and also decreased muscle mass and strength (tho it varies on how much).
in that sense, alpha women would also have more muscle mass and be taller
8) I feel like being "gay" would mean omegaxomega or alphaxalpha, but i've always thought about how this biological change might've happened after certain social norms and stereotypes around gender and sexuality have already been established, then maybe there are still some conflict surrounding actual gay relationships despite the differing secondary gender...? (would love to read an omegaverse that actually delves into this)
10) oh my god, yes. there would most definitely be discriminatory ideologies surrounding male omegas, similar in a sense to what women face :( especially surrounding pregnancy oh lord
11) in my opinion, i feel like male omegas would have a penis but no testicles alongside a uterus and a vagina. so they can be pregnant but not be able make someone else pregnant. so to get an abortion, it would just be the same as how women get abortions, aka pills, iuds, injections, etc...
My personal abo au.
Not gonna mentioning the history/lore. (It's long)
Except beta male and dominant alpha male- everyone else can get pregnant. The question is how hard it will be. (I'm not going to talk about the biological structure because it's gonna be long) just that except beta male, all others have womb. Whether it was develop properly or not is what'll determine whether they can get pregnant or not.
The susceptible to get pregnant ranking( high-> low):
Female dominant omega-> female recesive omega -> male dominant omega -> female beta -> male recesive omega -> female recessive alpha -> female dominant alpha -> male recesive alpha
*female betas and female omegas can't impregnate others because they don't have sperms or dicks.
*male omegas have sperms but the count is very very low
Ranking of population (UR -> N)
Female dominant omega (UR)
Female recessive omega (SSR)
Male dominant omega (SR)
Male recesive omega (R)
Male beta (N)
Female beta (R)
Female dominant alpha (UR)
Female recessive alpha (SSR)
Male dominant alpha (SSR)
Male recesive alpha (SR)
*Female population is abysmally low.
1. Not as frequent as females (twice a year).
2. Yes.
3. Yes. They also have vaginas (Futanari).
4. -> back to 3
5. Kinda. The path only open during heats. (Triggered or not. It concerns the hormones/pheromones that triggeres the command in their brain to open the path).
6. I guess? But I prefer 'soft' rather than 'feminine'. Like they gives off the 'must protect!' feeling. They can be bulky all I care but when you look at them, there is an instinct to protect rather than harm.
7. Can be combi, random, skip a generation or a derivative of their parents pheromones. Kinda like how DNA works.
8. Doesn't exist. But superior pairing exists.
9. No comment. It's blasphemous for me.
10. Yes and no.
11. Yes. They haven't evolve much yet as species.
12. No. They have vaginas.
Yes I agree with most of your takes especially 8! I have a rec that delves deeper into that topic if you're interested!
The only one I disagree with is 11. If a male omega can get pregnant, why even have a penis at all? Unless your referring to male omegas just having an enlarged clitoris connected to the vagina then maybe it might make sense?in that instance, they would be more similar to female coyotes, EXPECT female coyotes actually birth through an entirely different set of organs. Think of it as a sort of penis-vagina? (nature is weird) Female hyenas have a phallic-like vagina where they birth their offspring through their… basically pseudo penis. In fact, its known to be incredibly painful and strenuous on the hyena that at least 20 percent of them die during childbirth. Soooo if a male omega were to hypothetically have a dick connect to their vagina, the child would be birthed through their pseudo penis and NOT through a traditional birthing canal or even anus in some weird cases.
YESS i would love the recommendation!!
I would like to think that, logically, for some reason (who knows honestly) there was this biological need to evolve to have these traits (maybe fertility issues or maybe numbers were dropped too fast???). But that evolution would have happened after male and female biological traits have already been established (like we're not monkeys lol). Often times these changes aren't drastic and would have probably resulted in additions of certain traits (addition of traits gained through certain mutations over long periods of time that have been selected for, MAYBE they got these traits due to a defect in the sex chromosome??? that's fun to think about) such as the womb/vagina to male omegas and the retractable penis to female alphas though they still keep the same genitals.
It's kinda of like vestigial structures, where they have no functional purpose but they're just there, kind of like how we still have wisdom teeth despite the fact we don't have our larger jaw structures because we've gained the intelligence to cook and soften our food rather than eating raw tough meat.
In that same sense, I think female alphas would still have a vagina, tho they whether they can or cannot get pregnant, well I haven't really thought about that, so I'm not sure... tho I am leaning towards can get pregnant because it just makes sense in terms of survivability of a species.
To me, it would just make sense to add biological features that already exist within the human's structure because it's the one we're most adapted to. I don't know a lot about hyenas, but I just can't imagine where it is functionally better to be able to give birth in the same way for humans, partly because a human infant's skull is much larger than that of a hyena (6-7cm apparently? while a humant infants is about 30-40cm) even if our bodies are overall larger (tho ig the penis size wouldn't lmao). I feel like people would just die more if they had to this this omg lol...
Honestly it's hard to put logic and fiction together, but these are just my thoughts :) tho i like to just not think about how this all came to be when i'm reading omegaverse lmaoooo
Source: trust me bro, I've got tons of years of experience reading bl and being chronically online
1) Do male omegas have periods?
Nope. Both male and female omegas have "heats" as a replacement for periods.
2) Can betas get male omegas pregnant?
Generally yes. But it also depends on the author.
3) Do female alphas have dicks?
Yes. Yes. Yes!!!
4) [following the 3rd question] If no, then how do female omegas get pregnant by female alphas?
They have dicks. Certified from all of the fem alpha works I've read.
5) How do male omegas poop and get pregnant? How do they have wombs? Is it like breathing and eating in the trachea? (Meaning, theres a moveable lil flap thingy that seperates the two holes)
I don't this has ever been explored by any media yet. It's all up to your imagination buddy
6) Are omegas naturally 'feminine'? (Like skinny, pretty, cute ;all that)
No. No. No. Those are stereotypes!! We've got plenty of buff omegas in the glorious year of 2026!!!
7) Do babies get a combination of their parents pheromones? or is it like they randomly get assigned to a certain scent?
Depends on the author, but if we think from a biological perspective, it's most likely genetics. They could have a combo of their parents, maybe the same as their grandparents..the possibilities are endless.
8) How does sexuality work? Does 'gay' mean Omega×Omega or Alpha×Alpha?
Hilarious question, I love this one. I don't think any of this sort has been deeply addressed yet, but generally speaking, the ideal couple is between alpha x omega, beta x beta, irrespective of their first gender/sex. Anyone who deviates from this norm isn't really looked good on.
9) How does religion work? (Take christianity for example) Is Jesus an omega, alpha or beta?
This too, is a really creative question. Caught me off guard lol, again, definitely has never been addressed before bc omegaverse is a PORN trope, made for the horny by the horny. Although, ig imo Jesus would be an entity who can choose to be alpha or omega at well. Or maybe he's just your good old beta (bc beta supremacyyyy)
10) Is omegas in the omegaverse treated similarly to women irl? Like stereotypes, i mean.
Yes. No doubt. Omegaverse has many parallels with misogynistic culture
11) How would an omega male get an abortion? Do they have to cut him open? Same question for birth.
C-section. Natural birth is an option, but it is usually risky for the omega
12) Do female alphas take it anal when they want to bottom?
No, female alphas have both reproductive organs. Although it's usually difficult for them to conceive bc reproduction through their dick and sperm are more potent.
Don't mind me, I'll be camping here.
For a time like this I wish AO3 is up and running bcs you'll find many ABO stories there with complex world-building, their own socioeconomic dynamic and biology that will provide various answers to your questions. Just make sure to use the tagging correctly, don't wanna stumble upon dead doves while researching.
Regarding the social dynamic, most authors use social hierarchy to determine the classes of each type. There are also ones that use dominant and recessive traits to use as a plot device since they can use it as a twist. There's also ones that use the term *btching, where alpha can turn other alpha into omega by consuming their spent or dousing and scenting the target with pheromones.
Giving birth for omega can varies depending on the authors. The most common one I read is through c-section. But it depends, since some authors write their omegas with all 3 parts intact, like with intersex. Also in most cases, the period is switched with heat/rut cycle for them since it serves the same function. How the omegas and alphas need to keep track on their calendars, consuming suppressants and whatnot. Like tracking ovulation cycle for us women.
For beta, and other dynamics are also pretty common. I often read alphaxalpha bcs they usually don't have huge gaps of control. It makes for interesting premise. Since author can play with different plots. Beta is similar to regular human. They can reproduce with other types but the chances are lower compared to the traditional alphaxomega.
The hereditary is diverse too. I can't say much abt it since most authors focus on the main pairing and the kids will most likely the side stories. But in most cases the kid inherit the traits from the dominant parent, while the scent usually adapt with whether they're alpha/beta/omega. Beta is scentless. Alpha usually stronger and masculine since it functions to dominate, defense/protect, signal anger/other moods and seduce. Omega commonly smells floral, sweet, some authors like their omegas have subtle scent and their pheromones are used to soothe, protect/nurture, signal distress/other moods and also seduce.
Gods, there's a bunch of stuff to talk abt omegaverse lol I haven't even cobered mating bite, bond, getting rid of them, the procedures, etc. I know it doesn't answer your question point by point, but if you bother reading I'd recommend you to explore and discover it yourself
You have a really good point there! Are you a researcher too by chance ?
You mentioned how a species would just evolve to not include a trait that could be dangerous for the animal or even humans themselves. The only reason that hyenas haven't evolved to actually develop a better reproductive system is because….female hyenas are kinda…really weird. Similar to lionesses, they are known to be the leaders and the main providers of their pack. They actually have much more testosterone than the male hyenas, and they are known to be far more aggressive than male hyenas. Female hyenas are even known to on occasion, engage in same sex mating. (female hyena x female hyena)…..incase you didn't know that lol……im not sure how I know so much about heyenas or nature in general when I'm supposed to be studying human biology?
Also interesting to think about would be the fact that not only is homosexuality widely observed and analyzed in nature. Over 400 species in the world are known to engage in homosexual behaviors. In fact, black swans are known to prefer male-to-male partnership, and will even steal children from female black swans just to raise them in their own little gay family. Super cute, and the fact that homophobia even exists is so sacrilegious to me, and so against actual reasearch and scientific fact. There's even studies that confirm in humans that transgender men have a different brain chemistry compared to cis women and cis men. They are found to be aligned with more of the gender of THEIR CHOICE rather that the gender they were born with. I could go into more detail why being gay and trans is natural in humans and not wrong but I'm getting wayyyyy off topic here. lmao . Pretty sure I might be under some umbrella of neurodivergence? But that's a topic for another day lol.
You made really great points about humans adaptation and which gene expression would make the most sense through natural selection! I had a really good time reading and analysing your comment! I would also like to add how a lot of what humans have adapted with in most recent years doesn't really make aswell? Take for instance, our appendix, a well-known vestigial organ( something that serves no purpose to a human but we regardless have one); the human body and brain is incredibly intelligent and adaptive, so why do we still have structures present in our modern-day bodies? Usually, when we notice something that serves no purpose in our body, we assume that our own natural selection decided that it just wasn't important enough to actually get rid of it. We have developed modern technology needed to help us live in the world, so we don't really need these primitive organs etc that we may have needed in earlier years. The only reason I could think of why vestigial structures still do exist is due to the fact that natural selection never thought it was important enough to eliminate it. If that were the case, humans would not have wisdom teeth or an appendix or else we wouldn't need surgical means to remove them.
And yea if people had a pseudo-penis, we would 100 percent die . Female hyenas are just a different breed man. Birthing for them is known to be extremely painful, the only reason that I could think of why hyenas haven't developed a superior method of reproduction is because they can just thug shit out lmao.
A retractable penis does exist in a lot of insects, bugs, slugs, and clownfish. Some bugs even have a retractable female penis, but the difference between that and humans is that almost all of these species are hermsohidites and can interchange their roles in reproduction between partners. Take for instance the leopard slug. (known to have the most mesmerising and beautiful mating rituals, I really recommend youtubing it) they both sort of, swirl their retractable penises around each other. (I'm sure there is a more scientific name for that organ I just can be bothered to look it up ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭) One of the slugs can choose to actually secrete sperm and the other can receive said sperm and henceforth, continue the circle of life. Unlike most mammals,( humans included) we don't interchange gender roles in reproduction. So if the omegaverse did exist in reality it would be closer to a bug, insect, etc than an actual human. At that point, could you even call the omegaverse human at all?
It for sure is difficult to apppky logic to fiction but it is fun to do regardless!
Again I'm still a student and not yet a doctor! Also genealogy is not my major, biology is so I can still be wrong in some areas! I would love if anyone could correct me in the comments because I'm always looking to learn more!
I will link the rec for you in my next reply! This comment is getting way to long already lmao
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/takatora_and_the_omegas/
There's the rec! I really enjoyed the story in this one, it explores the ideas in this thread in a really interesting way! ( in terms of omega x omega and the social stigma that comes with it)
The only one I haven't seen is religion and I wonder if we would never get a piece of work that delves into that in an interesting way? If we ever find something like that I would live to read it out of sheer curiosity.
I thought it looked similar. AND THEN I SAW THE AUTHOR OML. Everytime i hear perle, my heart drops to my fucking ass
Should I read perle????? Lowkey convincing me with this comment.
I do think everyone should read Perle. If you could stand tragedy, that is.
Dang yall are scaring me I love a sob story but a tragedyyyyyy oooooffffff ima have to have BALLS to read perle now.
Perle changed my life so to say (and my sexuality soo) ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍
True we all are now Maximinsexual