I spent the whole night reading this and getting excited and inspired, only to look at the comments and panic. WHAT DO YOU MEANNN THIS IS HAREM that's the least thing I expected because he's so aware about age differences and so nonchalant about romance all together. PLEASEEE DON'T LET THIS BE PEAK WITH SLOP ON TOP OF IT GAWDDDD
edit: after multiple talks w novel readers I decided to drop this
Shh dont trust them, the harem means many girls like him, not him liking them back
I'm quite literally HOPING, cause I can at least accept that in a way, but the wiki said he has a grand daughter. And I feel delulu for hoping that they're somehow adopted or something of the same mechanic
Nahh you read wrong, i just checked and there're no granddaughter
The only person he could possibly like, had already died
no gang there is, if you check other sources of their fan wiki profile you'll see his supposed grand daughter censored as a spoiler. And even accounts from people, yes people, who've read the novel mentions the grand daughter right now tho I think the novel is still updating so the relationships are vague. So future grand daughter appearance is what's making people speculate about his relationships
And that's another thing, there's major spoilers I've read concerning his past love life and the way he's gonna use the hero dungeons later on. Ugh idk, there's not much spoilers for me to go thru, so I'm also only speculating about all this. All I know is there's a harem tag in the novel itself, and yes the female characters will act a certain way towards him, but we have no idea about how this will end yet and that's why I'm so scared atp I really wouldn't mind if the manhwa gets cancelled after awhile just to at least save this art from whatever the novel is leading to after ch800+
Chill. He cant lile them back. Theyre children. They're literally 14-18.
If you want spoilersmit was Luna and Lynsenas who liked him before. But he didn't like them back cause he wasnt even aware.
they're age is also why I'm so afraid this has not been the first time where action MCs like 15yos as they grow up, that's why I've been so careful with reading.
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and goods! That's also what I've read thru other people, anyways I haven't read the novel and I don't plan to so I'm more so just scared that the harem tag will come true somehow. And I hope no romance happens w anyone. Have you read the novel? I don't mind spoilers, do you know anything about the supposed granddaughter?
Yeas same reason I dropped some mahwa such as The Beginning after the end
The grand daughter exist, but due to causality she is foreign objects in the timeline so only leo who remember. She never said who her grandmother is, because a lot of girls still hang out with leo since basically his classmates are his hero party and his friend too. Some people called as grandma by the granddaughter but she actually didn't know who her grandma is. But she confess that she grow up with Lysinas before she dissappear due to time limit. But no exact reason explained in the novel whom she belong to. But she said she has elf blood too because his father is half elf. And basically it's also possible grandma refer to Leo's in law.
Its not harem. Theyre kids!! Tf you mean harem. Imagine a 14 years old with kyle whos probably around 30.
That's why the best if Leo together with Lysinas or luna, the kids can be his party and friends only. Imho That's the best ending, the probability is harem ending but still not sure. He is a king tho, so it has high probability we are going with that route
Ew. I dont like it specifically Chelsea. Chelsea is the youngest. She was 14 and others were 16 above. I dont care if she had grown. Especially if Leo grew up with them. Its like uncle and niece. Id like him to end up with either Luna or Lysinas or just none. I was tolerating the girls liking him because they're kids but its pissing me off that girla flock around him. I would prefer it if Carl, Duran, Avad and the boys are mentioned more. Is he gonna subjugate Erebus with his harem? Fckin annoying.
This is why I hate females in Shounen fantasy they portray them as annoying beings.
Lol I guess so? But let's see. Kyle is oblivious towards romance but he start to filter out any girls and using them as helper in his activities, of course they're a new colleague so he somewhat respect them but also taking care of them. But obviously no romance, because he still conscious of his real self
waw this might be the most yesnt manhwa I've read so far, from comments here and other sites, this thing somehow sparked debates LMAO. And I agree in all points! Jesus have this manhwa struck so many red flag points for me, since I'm usually so picky and easy to irritate when flag points like pedophilia, harem, or romance between lead characters happen (I like action no romance no harem), and female character sexualization happens.
But so far, here's some stuff you can know now if you're like me, and is wondering if you wanna continue;
1. Yes the female characters have big boobs. The art is nice, and almost every female character has big boobs, even the students, and the ones with small boobs are borderline loli baiting atp. It's irritating, but they don't pay special attention to it and doesn't really go for panels that concentrate on their boobs or show their lower parts, if that makes sense. Like, yes they're just like that and no one gives a shit so I can appreciate that.
2. Is there pedophilia? No, but I'm seeing a flag. Spoiler, the mc's ex also got transmigrated in the game, and got transported into a kid's body. From my research, despite the mc having lingering feelings for his ex (this has always been the case since ch1 even before transmigration), he does not pursue it in this world and actually rejects her.
3. Is this a harem? No. Yes there a lot of female characters that will like him in the long run, but he will not accept them because he's not over his ex, and because he's too busy with surviving. Atp I think this guy just really regrets being a bum in his previous life and can't accept love.
4. Will one of the students have feelings for him? I don't think it's anything that deep, from what I've seen and from what I've read, I believe it's more on the, "this person is really amazing" level type of admiration, but if I find anything that develops more into the love zone I'll update because I hate that too. But from my research, spoiler, it looks like they're actually only headed to uncovering the details of what happened to mc and his student's parents, it actually gets dark. There are levels of betrayal in here.
Spoiler, so is it harem or not and what will be the end game? It's not technically a harem because the mc doesn't engage with any of the female characters' feelings, and I can't call it goon slop because all story lines were actually written quite well, despite it looking man centered, there's actually a lot of details in each characters story outside of mc, he just affects it because his character, in the first place, have always been a perpetrator or related to a lot of shit, and he's there to alter it. But the female characters doesn't lack depth like most harem or romance manwahs do, they actually have lives of their own and aspirations outside of him.
How about story wise? Honestly, story line, characterization, dynamics, world building, and even magic structures are pretty damn solid. There's a large variety of characters here and they don't lack much despite it being an adaptation (usually manhwas have a hard time giving much depth cause of how time and effort consuming they are to make, but this is pretty solid). Also, it might just be me, but the harem and romance flags, despite peeking from time to time, actually isn't there?? If that makes sense. Like he's so dead to everything and the story pacing is well made that it doesn't feel that way, the peeking is mostly there because you're expecting it to happen, but it doesn't. It's just so nonchalant LMAO.
The ending? MAJOR SPOILER, it's marked as tragedy because he dies. As established before, there's only ONE timeline or route where he survives, and unfortunately, he didn't pick the right actions. I don't know what conditions happened for this to happen, but that's basically our ending.
Anyways, try it out if you want. It's pretty good, just kinda sus. Like I feel like I'm playing a game of imposter or something lmaoo. Will update if any of those flags actually do come true.
Thank you for such a detailed review!
I’m personally okay with all the baiting if he never acts up to it I guess. I really love his stoic personality
minor spoiler
his death [in the novel] is also a yesn't state, but him dying is honestly the best outcome as a penance for what he's done (and also romance just doesnt suit MC)
also
the baiting admittedly does get super annoying, so this story might end up with only plot-focused readers sticking through to the end.
Wait WHAT, he dies?!!!?? I should’ve known that tragedy tag was there for a reason
Thank you so much for this. As a romance and harem hater this really helped since I have a different definition of harem from other comentors. I'll definitely add this to my list.
Wait he dies?!? Then does he at least return to Korea?
What did he do?
Yeah it’s the original that was a shitty person. MC was kinda lazy/underachiever originally but not a terrible enough person to grant death. In this world he’s working within the restrictions set on himself and is acting as good as possible. Why does he deserve to die?
Finished ch30 and omygod I can't help but admit that Axion was strong and gifted. Even after our mc has had multiple buffs and help from both the system and the in-world variables, Axion still managed to corner him and stand as his equal. Like from the present perspective that's some crazy power, he was so strong what the hell. His ambition for power is toxic, but he has both the talent and potential to back it up, even when he's basically crazy. I can't help but admire him, not in a ooo I'm swooning, but in a DAMN that bitch has power.
finished ch40 and everything is so good, what irks me is how almost every woman that gets screen time in here gotta show their boobs, they're all so big, and I was like, OK OK fine whatever, but Evelyn's uniform gotta be a new kind of low because what is that it's designed so bad wtf, that big ass gap doesn't even need to be there because of her neck piece wtf is this design. I wouldn't even complain if the boob action in here wasn't so bad bruh, fashion gone.
NAH FR I HATE THAT THE WOMEN'S ARMOR (at least for the white dragon knights) HAS A BOOB WINDOW it feels like metal on skin too that has to be so uncomfortable. At least it isn't worse and they're mostly covered but THAT'S YOUR UNIFORM?! THAT YOU WEAR TO BATTLE??? COVER UP YOUR GIRLS, GIRLIE YOU'RE MAKING THAT A PRIME AREA TO TARGET AND IT AIN'T ATTRACTIVE
I wouldn't mind as much if they even just had an extra piece of fabric right there, it's less protection which ik some people don't care about when designing but it wouldn't be so distracting like I'm not even looking at their boobs in an "ooga" way it just makes me so miffed and like "?!?!?!?! Why you gotta do that". You want to have boobage in casual outfits? Okay, fine I guess. I don't like that practically every woman has a boob window 24/7 but it's whatever, I'm used to it by now but having it in a uniform I'm _(´ཀ`」 ∠) _
Gosh this concept is so refreshing, normally, you'd have action protagonists battling themselves, and altho mc does do that, it's more on the commander perspective making do with their resources, it's so refreshing to see this!!! I like how the mc is stuck at the home base and instead needs to invest in others to get stronger so that they can all level up, it's very much territory and command centered so I'm having so much fun!!!
Not to mention, the creativity and detail in the world building is absolutely insane it's so good!!! With the power structures and all the groups leveling up, it's very interesting to see.
The author also doesn't miss when writing about humanity, they don't just sugar it up by saying everyone somehow survived, there are losses and sometimes just pure devastation, but it's so well done!
I wanna say more but honestly, it's just that good guys.
from what I gathered, it's a solid yesnt. The MC does have a first love, as illustrated in the manhwa, BUT! spoiler, novel readers have revealed that the first love is dead. He won't have any more potential love interests, and any other characters showing interest towards him will be rejected because he's still not over his first love. So there won't be any romance action going on, but only gaming, though the romantic feelings do exist and will be mentioned from time to time.
why did i read this oh mygod
OMG YESSS NO ROMANCE
Yes(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
basically, bottom who was already discriminated as a teen because of his intimidating looks got framed by top, made it look like bottom was the one who beat up kids and smoked (top kissed him without consent too) whole school found out and bottom was even more alienated than before. then they meet up at a bar unexpectedly as adults and top rapes bottom while bottom was drunk. And it just goes on from there I don't even know man.
U a hero. Thanks
what a bullshit story, it's just plain rape and coercion, there's no romance in this, just an elite cornering a poor guy for sex because of his "feelings" regardless if he has to do it by hurting him physically, buying his body, threatening him by getting him fired, causing disturbance in his work place etc. is the ml supposed to be redeeming because he didn't fuck the bottom in his sleep and not want to do it roughly? what a laugh.
omygod, I'm seeing so much shit talk on og!Ise, and disregarding the fact that someone so young killed themselves. I get having frustrations from having our dear MC go back to life brick one, or even further than that, and I get expressing frustration over og!Ise sabotaging his life again, but that doesn't justify anyone else making comments about how he doesn't have any right to his body anymore because he killed himself, or that he should die a miserable death because of this.
It's not right, both of these people are dead, just because one is psychologically healthier than the other doesn't mean that the other doesn't deserve to live. Og!Ise harbors deep pain, enough to end his own life, seeing a stranger in his position seemingly thriving because of a third, fantasy entity and everyone suddenly liking him hurts. It's just plain unfairness. And tho yes, he could've fixed it now, but that's not the point is it?
The point is that our MC and og!Ise are inherently different. He's hurting, and he needs time to grow as a person.
But just because you're frustrated, it doesn't mean you have the right to call dibs on who gets to live between the two.
I just want both of them to be happy :((
RIGHT!
Actually, I quite like Terra more than Rimen. In the sense of them being characterized as gods, I mean sure, Rimen would be the preferred god for humanity, as she functions through charity, empathy, and hope, but in terms of characterization, of a God that actually personifies a higher order of "something" Terra actually takes the cake. She is neither good nor evil, and she recognizes the world as such too, despite her own struggles in fighting for this earth (which our Pope doesn't gaf about when he gives a shit about Rimen for the same, lower in difficulty situation) she doesn't really pay much attention to it, she's "higher" than it, higher than our Pope's human feelings too. She doesn't care about pride, or any of that human stuff, so long as the job gets finished and her duty is fulfilled then it's fine. She's basically the scales, she represents her duty pretty well and I love that.