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thinking brett and hayden of all people would just live happily ever after getting married and having to actually entwine their entire lives together makes me laugh. i expect these side stories to be similar to those of the beast must die and deal with them learning to compromise over the years to maintain their relationship. but maybe ending on a more positive note because they don't have to deal with inevitable murder looming on the horizon lmao

I just binge s1 and s2 and had to take a glimpse at the comment section and the mention of the beast must die caught my eye.

I love the beast must die (tho none of my friends like it), and love how it ends. Now with these spoilers, i can grit my teeth and not expect too much.

Also they made the ml come off as way too aggressive at times, which is a really bad look in comparison to the new character who is much "sweeter"(?)(idk a better way to explain it). But it was just a really bad set up for the ml overall, they essentially tarnished a lot of the hard work they put into establishing him in the first half of the season all for this random ass dude???? No like seriously can you tell Im just really confused and baffled by this new character and his ultimate purpose. Is his purpose to just make the audience dislike the ml? What is author thinking

I stopped reading around chapter 40 to let it marinate a little, should I pick it back up. Have things been resolved?

uh in a way… let it marinate more

How can you say that after the last chapters mentionning his depression, dont you know anyone who went through that ? The guy came back but his mind convinced him that he s a burden to her he went through so much ! He lost his mom and everything when he was still a kid ... The red flag is her and her indecissivness and the way she handles her shit but i cant blâme her either !

When you take your head out of Eunhyuks ass for a moment and pay attention to the rest of the story you'll come to realize that each character is facing a measure of suffering. And yet, theyre all capable of opening up their mouths and speaking their minds aka COMMUNICATING. His depression is not an excuse to burden others. Soo does not owe him, a man, who has harmed her, any compassion

“Keeping her tethered to him without having to commit to anything” is SUCH a wrong take We literally JUST got the answer to why he never reached out to her in the first place he saw that she was happy without him, so he chose to leave her alone. How is that him keeping her tethered to him when he was actively staying out of her life?? He wasn’t trying to keep her around. The only time he started being a little more straightforward was AFTER she kissed him, or maybe when he stepped in to protect her from that creepy guy she went on a date with. Ofc, you can criticize him for how he handled things, but not the rest. He literally watched the woman he’s madly in love with kiss another guy (Dohwa), and he did NOTHING because he didn’t want to interfere. He even warned Dohwa about protecting her because he genuinely thought they were in a relationship. Sorry, but your take is just so wrong.

"I accepted this project hoping that maybe, just maybe it was her" only to then internally regret doing exactly that and then taking it out on her and saying "I dont think we're close enough to be happily exchanging pleasantries". He chose to be in her business (Literally) and then subsequently (as a result of his cowardice) chose to brashly keep her at an arms length. He then says "Shim Suae hurt all on her own, WAITED, GAVE UP, HOPED AGAIN, GOT DISAPPOINTED AGAIN" he himself acknowledges that he kept her tethered!!! Stop making excuses for him!!! He doesnt even make excuses for himself bro.

“Stringing her along knowingly” WHERE is the proof that he deliberately came back to keep Su-ae emotionally attached while refusing to commit? You’re taking his avoidance, his terrible communication, and the pain his disappearance caused her, then turning your interpretation of his intentions into established fact.

Nobody is denying that disappearing for ten years without closure hurt Su-ae. He owes her an explanation, and loving her doesn’t automatically excuse how he handled things. BUT there’s a difference between acknowledging that he hurt her and claiming he deliberately wants to keep her trapped in her feelings. One is supported by what happened; the other assumes motives you haven’t proved.

And “he refuses to communicate” doesn’t mean he has no feelings or that he’s incapable of changing. It means communication is a problem he needs to address. Whether he can take accountability, explain himself, and rebuild Su-ae’s trust is precisely what matters going forward. You’re judging his entire future character development as if it’s already been written.

Also, chapter 145 literally has him helping Su-ae when she’s in danger. That doesn’t erase his disappearance or magically make him a good partner, but it does make your attempt to reduce every single thing he does to selfishness pretty damn selective. Helping her isn’t proof he deserves her, just as disappearing isn’t proof he never loved her.

And YES, nobody HAS to root for either endgame. You’re absolutely right about that!

LMAOOOO “Take your head out of Eunhyuk’s ass” because apparently acknowledging his circumstances means I’m incapable of understanding the rest of the story. Girl, I can recognize that EVERY character suffers without pretending everyone processes trauma the same way. Other characters being able to communicate doesn’t magically make Eunhyuk’s struggles irrelevant. People react to trauma differently, and comparing everyone as if they all have the same ability to cope is a shallow reading of the situation.

And WHO said depression excuses hurting other people? Nobody is saying Su-ae owes him compassion, forgiveness, or another chance. She has every right to be angry, distrust him, and walk away. But Su-ae not owing him compassion doesn’t mean readers aren’t allowed to have any. You’re confusing what Su-ae owes him with what readers are allowed to understand about his character.

AND THE HYPOCRISY IS SENDING ME. You’re emphasizing that Eunhyuk is the man who hurt Su-ae, yet you’re willing to discuss Dohwa’s circumstances when explaining HIS behavior. Why does context matter for one character but suddenly become an excuse when it comes to Eunhyuk? You can acknowledge that he hurt her AND examine what led to his actions. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive!

And the “everyone else can communicate” argument is not the gotcha you think it is. Eunhyuk’s failure to communicate was wrong. Disappearing for ten years without giving Su-ae closure hurt her, and he owes her an explanation. Nobody is disputing that. But struggling to communicate, even when it causes harm, is not automatic proof that someone never cared or deliberately wanted to hurt the person they loved. His fear and circumstances help explain his behavior; they do not erase its consequences.

Also, you keep treating compassion as if it were a reward Su-ae must personally hand him. It isn’t. We can empathize with what Eunhyuk went through without expecting Su-ae to forgive him. We can criticize his choices without reducing his entire character to them. And we can acknowledge Su-ae’s suffering without pretending Eunhyuk’s suffering ceased to matter the moment he hurt her.

CONTEXT ISN’T AN EXCUSE, BUT IGNORING CONTEXT ISN’T CRITICAL ANALYSIS EITHER. You don’t have to like Eunhyuk, want him as endgame, or feel compassion for him. But stop acting like people who understand his circumstances are incapable of recognizing Su-ae’s pain. We can acknowledge BOTH. You just seem determined to make acknowledging one side incompatible with acknowledging the other.

You seem very confused. I never mentioned Dohwa except in my og post where I stated I didnt see him as a threat to Soo and Eunhyuks relationship. Also the person I was replying to literally called Soo a red flag for her "indecissivness and the way she handles her shit" so yes someone was definitely insinuating that she owed him compassion, aka the person I was replying to(???)
Also I dont deny that he cares for her, Im calling into question the appeal of their relationship post timeskip. So what if he cares for her when his actions have caused her nothing but harm. You come up with endless excuses for him and very little consideration for her. "But his past, but his trauma, but he will learn how to communicate, he can learn how to be better" and what of Suae? Should she just, endure? What reason does a reader have to keep rooting for this relationship, logically? It feels so entirely centered on Eunhyuks desire, do you even scrutinize where Suae stands in all this?

“‘I don’t think we’re close enough to be happily exchanging pleasantries’ was literally SOOAE drawing a boundary between them, E never said that. It’s in chapter 108 And like I said, he always puts all the blame on himself, so why are you acting like he’s some calculated villain who deliberately kept her hanging on??? They’re endgame, bro, thats obvious even the author said that sooae is not gonna end up alone. No one here is making excuses for him they’re going to work through this. Y’all are just so impatient

Girl, you wrote an entire paragraph about me being confused, and you STILL missed the point.

First, I brought up Dohwa because the argument was about how people judge Eunhyuk’s circumstances versus how they judge other characters. If you personally weren’t discussing Dohwa beyond saying he wasn’t competition, fine. That doesn’t magically invalidate my point about how readers approach Eunhyuk’s character. And if someone else called Su-ae a red flag for her indecisiveness, take THAT up with them. Don’t conflate their argument with mine. I literally said Su-ae owes Eunhyuk NOTHING.

Second, you keep repeating that his actions caused her harm as if I ever denied that. HE HURT HER. HE OWES HER AN EXPLANATION. SHE DOESN’T OWE HIM FORGIVENESS OR A RELATIONSHIP. How many times do I need to say that before you stop acting like acknowledging his circumstances means dismissing hers?

And the funniest part is that you’re asking what reason readers have to root for them “logically” while treating the relationship as if its post-timeskip development is already finished. Nobody is asking Su-ae to endure mistreatment indefinitely. The entire point of rooting for a character is that readers can believe he has the potential to confront his mistakes, take accountability, and change. POTENTIAL IS NOT THE SAME AS AUTOMATICALLY DESERVING ANOTHER CHANCE. He has to prove that change, and Su-ae has every right to decide she no longer wants him.

You ask whether I scrutinize where Su-ae stands in all this. YES. Her feelings, her hurt, her trust, and her choices are precisely why she must have the final say in her own relationship. But taking her perspective seriously doesn't require me to conclude that Eunhyuk is irredeemable or that their relationship has no narrative potential. Those are YOUR conclusions, not objective facts.

And let's be real: saying the relationship revolves around Eunhyuk’s desire is a criticism of how the story develops their reunion, not proof that every reader who roots for them only cares about him. Readers can want Su-ae’s agency prioritized AND want Eunhyuk to take responsibility and earn her trust back. Those aren't contradictory positions.

YOU don't see a reason to root for them anymore. That's perfectly fine. But you not seeing the appeal doesn't mean nobody else has a logical reason to hope for their relationship to develop differently. Criticize the writing, criticize his actions, demand better for Su-ae. Just stop pretending that acknowledging the possibility of growth is the same as asking her to suffer through another ten years. LMAOOOO

I know you were good AF at writing essays omg. Your analysis is so good, its refreshing to see a take thats not so black and white. I see a lot of grey area in this story and the relationships involved (platonically and otherwise).

I assume you re young with the way you desrespected a stranger who didn't offend you in any way.
You literally defined dépression when you said others are capable of opening their mouths but he doesn't, and if you missed it Eunhuyuk was depressed before even when he was the best version of himself he was just capable of hiding it but the events that followed triggered the big épisode ( i m a doctor and even though english is not even my second language i m trying my best to be clear )
Dépression makes you feel worthless , that you re a burden in this World , he knows he doesn't deserve her forgiveness so he says nothing , you feel like you re a stain in everyone s lives and that you ll make their happy world a living hell ( especially how he thinks that suae is a bright woman who deserves a man as shiny as her smile ) and what do you mean by he s a man ? Like men cant have dépression ?
He never showed any sign that he thinks she Owe him anything on the contrary .
Understanding someone doesn't mean you re blind by them , it s not an excuse but it explains a lot of things i hope you never expérience dépression in your life or the people that you love.

What suae did to dohwa was f*up that s the only reason i said she was a ref flag.

Raim triggers his sense of guilt cause her mom died because of his father but he feels like it was his fault too , than with his mother s death and all the shit that happened around him he s afraid that she ll harm herself because of him too , she s the only caracter that i hate with passion and i dont know how suae is even capable to be in the same room as her !

??????? Im so beyond confused????

I did in fact take the red flag comment up with the person who said it, but YOU inserted yourself into that conversation and made assumptions about my response to that person!

Also yes it does matter that I didnt bring up dohwa, because you are now bringing up what other people are doing and assuming about the story in a conversation with someone who is not at all doing that. I do not care if other people are making space for dowha, I personally am not. So what exactly is the point of bringing that up?

Has soo not rejected Eunhyuk already??? Why are you acting like my conclusion of their relationship is entirely made up of assumptions. When we both agree on the facts. You're entire argument makes no sense. First you butt into a conversation, then you bring up things nobody mentioned, now you agree with me on the state of things then argue that im making it all up in my head???? HUHHH, I cant believe theres an idiot in this comment section praising you LOL

I in fact I do understand what depression is because I have lived experience of it! Thank you.

But again, depression is not and never should be an excuse to harm others. You can say that "everyone handles it differently" but that handling should never come at the cost of someone else's joy. Eunhyuk behaved cruelly and selfishly, and his depression is not an excuse for that. Which the op was insinuating!

Again youre completely butting into a conversation and making assumptions! Also if you read the entire sentence I said "a man, that has harmed her" even if i accidentally put a comma there it does not make grammatical sense to believe i was specifically putting his manhood to Question when I followed "man" with the word "that". Like my god im begging you to think before you speak

Ugh sorry for saying you were butting in! I got confused and thought you were nami replying to that convo between us again! My bad. But everything else still stands

Thanks you all the characters deserve love

LMAOOOO FIRST OF ALL, BABE, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. You don't get to post an opinion publicly, have someone disagree with your reasoning, and then act personally victimized because they responded. You confronted the person who called Su-ae a red flag? GOOD.But that doesn't mean your separate argument about Eunhyuk is suddenly immune to criticism. I responded to YOUR argument, not the one you had with someone else. Please learn the difference.

SECOND, you keep acting like mentioning Dohwa was some random accusation against you. My point was about the broader double standards in how readers interpret characters' actions and circumstances. If you personally don't excuse Dohwa, FINE. Then that particular criticism doesn't apply to you. But you being personally offended by the example doesn't make the underlying distinction between explaining someone's behavior and excusing it any less valid. Especially when I didn't attack you but use him as a example. So it weird that you feel offended by that... You could've simply clarified that you weren't defending Dohwa instead of spending half your replies arguing about why his name appeared.

THIRD, YES, SU-AE HAS REJECTED EUNHYUK. AND? Where did I say she hadn't? Where did I say she owes him another chance? QUOTE ME. My entire point has been that readers can acknowledge his circumstances and still hold him accountable. Her rejecting him is a fact. Whether their relationship is permanently beyond repair is an interpretation of where the story stands, not proof that everyone who still sees potential is delusional. You can believe the rejection is final. I can believe the story may explore their unresolved feelings further. Neither of us can pretend our interpretation of the eventual endgame is already confirmed.

And let's be VERY clear: I never argued that Su-ae should endure his behavior until he learns to communicate. I explicitly said she owes him nothing and that he needs to take accountability. So why are you arguing as though I've demanded that she take him back? You're repeatedly attacking a position I never took, then congratulating yourself for exposing a contradiction that doesn't exist.

Yes you responded to what I replied to someone else, however what I replied has context! Context that you ignored. Thats the problem. Ugh whatever.

Im not even going to bother to read the rest of what youre saying Nami, I wish you a good life. BYEeeee

they mad that u right LOLLLL

That Nami gurl just loveeeeee really love to compare eunhyeuk and dohwa, I didn’t even mentioned Dohwa in my comment that eunhyeuk needs mental help but this gurlie just come out of nowhere and talkkng about how shitty dohwa is. THIS NAMI GURL NEEDS SOME MENTAL HELP

Imao keep crying since supposed to you I need Mental help give me the money. Demonstrating your double standard seem to hurt your ass

This point. He is more upset at the timing of the news.

People (and the MC) blaming the general as if the king hadn’t already prove to be someone who doesn’t listen to reason and is willing to kill anyone who doesn’t do his bidding

You're overreacting lol like you never believe a school rumor before. He acted like a normal person to me. Its all a misunderstanding that got clear up once he realized. Mc is just an idiot. You btw get help

"like you never believe a school rumor before" why are we acting like believing an unfounded rumor and ACTING on said rumor to ostracize a fellow student is completely normal behavior. Just because theyre teens youre assuming theyre incapable of being held liable for actions that have evidently had serious consequences. We see how much the ml suffers. Yes I understand its meant to be a lighthearted stupid story but I think the fact that the author tries to play off this behavior as normal teenage bs and the fact that the audience accepts that without critique is very telling about our current society. I dont need help, I think the people who genuinely cannot tell how awful the mc is as bystander who perpetuates cruelty are the ones who need help

Were you in a similar situation as yang-hyeon? Why are you vilifying dohui so much as if he’s the one who actually spread the rumor—as if he went out of his way to actually OSTRACIZE (irresponsible use of the word) him. Typical dumb insensitive boor, can’t even distinguish that this is an inexperienced high schooler’s first time experiencing something queer, mind you he lives in a conservative country that actually OSTRACIZES people for their gender albeit not mentioned in the story, this was assumed based on the author’s background. Bootlicking slanderer might be a term that befits you more, yang-hyeon doesn’t want your scary school shooter self. The audience accepting the rumor as a fact lies in a culture that your cynical worldview could never see; your chronically complaining in a forum that people participate for getting entertainment is entirely misplaced. Dohui didn’t even perpetuate this so-called cruelty that you’re mentioning, was the story too short that you completely missed the part where he tried to make peace with yang-hyeon? I mean your solution to school rumors is a school shooting: I doubt that not being the case. This story isn’t a mirror to society’s school rumors escalation to a school shooting; More or less, it’s mostly about a heartwarming cartoonish (yes, this is fiction. yes, this means that it’s exaggerated to tell a story.) misunderstanding based on harmless rumors about a person’s demeanor. Hell, many other stories with school rumors are worse than this and you pick to vent your frustrations here? What a way to sour the wholesomeness of this plot.

"Ostracized means being deliberately shut out, left out, or ignored by a group or society" - Orange Coast Societies definition of the word. Is that not whats literally happening here. Also, "harmless rumors" but it clearly did harm the victim, we have actual scenes of him crying and feeling hurt/HARMED, by the mc's actions and the rumors. Also sorry I don't think someones background gives them a the right to participate in OSTRICIZING someone. + when mc "apologized" he blamed his peers and made it seem like he was being forced to believe the rumors when he never enquired about the source of said rumors. Hes bitch made! Lol. Youre asking me if I paid attention but did you? Listen if you like slop then sure go ahead and slobber it up. But I dont and I'm allowed to say so and why I feel that way lol.

*orange coast psychiatry

Get Help.
Yapping here on something that never happened in the story is wild. You are delusional and trying to convince people whatever you are saying is correct when you don't even have logical point to your argument.

It did happen, if you read the words in the dialogue bubbles and infer meaning from the pictures drawn in the panels LMAO. Like ermmmm hello dont just scroll and giggle bc it looks cute, try to actually pay attention

To get ignored? She probably received tons of email I get it’s better than here but I’d doubt she’d take it seriously let alone read it

She getting ate up on Twitter and so are her publisher's. of course she's ignoring it. Everybody coming at her aren't being nasty either. Virtue signaling?? Lmao girl bye people can post on both sites

Idk which sites you’re saying but sending an email or her team won’t get thru at all even more now at the moment since she’s getting a lot of hate on twitter

The op said y r people over here posting and I'm saying they can post on both sites.

Ohh kk yeah even tho it’s not going thru her this is spreading how offended people view it and why they view it as offensive

Yes they're people confused asking why it's bad people need to keep talking about it on whichever platforms they use

Yeah cuz TikTok and insta ain’t getting the memo

Yes I agree this isn’t the place to voice concerns. Another thing that I wanted to add, people, just becouse you are adressing something you find problematic doesn’t mean it gives you the right to attack people who don’t agree with you by telling them to hang themselfs.

Yeah cuz then that's literally an ad hominem. I get very angry at most of these defenders cuz they have literally no knowledge of history, and also the author has no knowledge of history and is insensitive but I mean telling them to hang themselves is a little bit much.

Who under this section told anyone to hang themselves? Nobody over here is talking like that so y add that. Weird

If u saw someone saying that it’s Kii, she’s just random stranger who’s extremely racist against the white community so she tells white peoples to yk die and hoping they go through slavery so yeah except her and maybe sum people being a tad aggressive at delivering their message nobody does that

Yh I think I saw them and I was shocked by how hateful they were in the comments. Like all humans are equal, and race barriers are such a stupid thing to implement in society. Racism itself is stupid. We all bleed red and jizz white. Nobody of no ethnicity should go through slavery because that is a violation against human rights. Some people these days need to just get a life

Now why would I say that if I didn’t see it in the comments. I mean, to assume that nobody is talking like that when it’s a heated comment section is what’s strange. I came with a valid point, to keep it respectful, so how did I come across as the weird one idk.

I said this comment section specifically not the whole manga chat. No one over hear was heated or talking like so y bring that under up.