It’s like okay. Mc is a push over and he’s kind of stupid. It got boring quick
This is so random, Elizabeth acts like a righteous and moral person who punishes people who wrong her and do evil. But then she has Robert kill children? Children are the most innocent of all…I don’t understand.
She's more of a pragmatic person than someone righteous and moral.
So she's a psychopathic cunt who kills without boundaries if her feelings get hurt, got it. Someone should rape her with a spiked rod. Child murderers deserve the worst punishment as child rapist.
She's not a psychopath either.
She got disrespected so she decided to wipe out an entire nation including the innocent, I read the novel she killed off everyone and your telling me thats is not insane?
(Sarcastically) But you're riiiight, she's not a genocidal maniac.
I have no problem wiping out the corruption in the nation especially wiping out the royal family, and those intentionally causing war, I just don't believe in collective punishment, that includes the innocent. That's just my opinion.
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What I mean is that her psychological behavior is not consistant with a psychopath.
And if you read the Light Novel you surely know that she's actually a compassionnate person. When she's offered a better course of action against Haldoria, she refused, becaue it would be a disrespect for the innocent victims who died for her cause. A psychopath would never think like that, they don't feel remorse.
Actually I can see her only doing that because she wouldn’t want to ruin her image ya know. She was okay letting innocent and children die at the hands of Robert because there was nothing that could link him to her, whereas if she was to say she would be okay letting Haldoria innocent die, then it would reflect on her character to the people around her. So I think it makes sense for her to be a psychopath in that sense. They don’t have compassion for others except themselves which seems to fit Elizabeth
And you saying the innocent dying her “her cause” makes her seem more of a psychopath. Because many evil people in history think the same, if people have to die to make sure they live a happy life then so be it
The way she admits to Lucas that she was indeed behind the attack shows that she doesn't care about that image (also the Manga tried to do a joke on that part and it wasn't a good idea, neither the anime nor the Light Novel did that joke).
Elizabeth is realistic, a revenge against a Kingdom will imply the civilians and innocents death. It's ballsy from the author to acknowledge that fact and include in their story civilian deaths, in general author avoid showing that kind of stuff to make their characters look good.
Hi uploader! You should be careful putting the name of the site in the chapters. Even tho we don’t want reuploads, there still still be people doing it anyways. Thus the name of the site can get spread quickly, it was like that with bato and now it’s gone forever ╥﹏╥
Ok, I’ll keep that in mind going forward!
Half brother???? As in they share a blood parent????
Im think so!
Where can I read the novel?
I have it but it is in spanish. The good thing is that it is all on Ao3 so you can just translate the entire page if you don't speak spanish.
Do you want the link?
Hi can I have the link?
Sure! Here:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/44620807/chapters/116697208#workskin
We're at this chapter if I'm not wrong, but you can go to Chapter index and choose where to start jsjs
Do you know which chapter to start reading from after this?
The link I sent above is the latest chapter on the manhwa here, if I'm not wrong, so probably the chapter that is next?
Sorry I searched and landed on that as the current one cause i am not sure if the manhwa and novel share the same events per chapter
Wow thanks!
The AAVE is is ruining the translation
This isn't AAVE like at all some of it is poorly thrown in there but this is more like chronically online misplaced aave with weird gamer speech thrown in there. I agree that it's making me take this manwha so unseriously
a lot of gamer speak comes from aave because of black creators, yea there's a few parts that aren't aave and YES it's definitely really badly used but it depends on what you think is gamer speak that wasn't created or popularized by black creators. “on that [noun]”, “they’re wild for this one”, “damn near." are aave and in the first few pages cause I didn't want to read the rest lmaooo if you're tired and say "I'm cooked", it can be similar to saying "I'm beat." but if we change to “you’re cooking them” “he got cooked” as in destroyed that's aave not gamer speach because all gamers as a group didn't start using it in that way, black creators did then non-black gamers picked it up. if you're distracting the chef and someone say's "let him cook" not aave. if an athlete is taking a bit before making the shot and you say "let him cook" aave. accurately it's chronically online people who use aave that they've never used before in every word they speak kinda like how the dialogue here is going. I feel like if we look at what a lot of gamer slang phrases are, most of them aren't something a non-black creator could come up with without aave influence and so then in definition are most definitely aave
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I don't disagree about the origin, more or less the fact that it's poorly applied and misused aave. That's why I don't consider it to be a proper use of aave. I know aave because I use it daily, in my regular speech with people in my home and outside my home. I think that's why I'm so forward about not calling it aave because frankly it reads like someone spamming a soundboard and not any tangible construction of an actual conversation between people who use aave. It's just off putting in the translation and shows that this person doesn't know how to actually utilize aave in an organic matter and takes phrases that have been misconstrued and misinterpreted by people online and over used. Also some of the phrases you referenced don't have those origins, the cooked phrase is used in the context of someone being in trouble or conceiving a "trust the process" product since mostly it's inception. Black people use other terms of phrase when referring to tiredness, and this varies by region. in my area we mainly say dead tired or fried. It's so much nuance and variation here hence why I did not want to call this sad mishmash of poorly appropriated turns of phrases in the translation aave. it is aave but god is it a shitty representation and use of it lol. i don't disagree with your comment btw, just hate the translation cause of everything i said above
“I’m cooked” (with the intention of meaning I’m tired) wasn’t my included uses of aave but a term that has no connection because of it’s meaning I’m tired if the person is choosing to use it in that way. I used a term that sounds similar but has no connection because the meaning, then followed it with aave that people think is more gamer slang like “he got cooked” which black creators did use and popularize before the rest began. I used “I’m cooked” to kind of mean “I’m pooped” or “I’m beat” (not the “America is cooked” version) but it was my example of non aave the same way “let him cook” to the person distracting a chef is a phrase people would probably rarely use, sounds like aave, but depending on what you’re talking about isn’t aave. also bro I’m dumb I thought you were saying all the phrases have 0% no aave origin like ppl always saying aave is just gen z slang but your comment said “misplaced aave” ohhhhh okay sorry I read over that
You're all good and perhaps I missread your comment as well with the whole cooked thing. All in all the translation is some ass because they decided to do it this way, I barely got through the first five speech bubbles
Does anyone know what recent chapter of the novel is the webtoon caught up on?
Does anyone have raws?
I’m having a hard time liking the main character. For some reason as a main character he’s not very likable. Maybe that’s the vibe the author was intending because I want to feel bad for him and root for Jun but at the same time I don’t really care what happens to him because he’s not a good person. I feel like if Jun wasn’t the main character I feel like people would like him a lot less haha. But you know main character is main character..
Your having a hard time liking him because Jun is portrayed as a flawed character, he's not your typical overly nice kind to everyone selfless bottom which makes him actually more like a human then your nice bottom in a yaoi book, I don't think Jun is a "bad" person, I think the word your looking for is flawed because Jun haven't done anything that makes him a bad person, he fakes being nice sure but that doesn't make anyone "bad" we all faked being nice to someone in our life at some point, and the reason is literally just so he couldn't get picked on, in Korea bullying is literally brutal there so Jun is quite realistic for his character, being a teen gay dude living in Korea is hard enough, avoiding your identity getting out plus trying to not be the subject of bullying and getting assaulted sexually by your crush I doubt anyone could still be a nice person while being under that pressure plus being a victim as well, that's just not realistic and I don't think author wants to go for that, your also forgetting Jun is a teenager guy, teen dudes are one if not the most selfish group of ppl oat, you would lose your mind if author actually decided to portray your typical teen dude in Jun, top is the actual bad person here, and Jun shouldn't have to be the perfect victim for you to sympathy for, and you will encounter his type of character irl alot, this is why i like him, the only thing going for him is how realistic he is, which author made sure to point out in many chapters, you should probably quit reading this and try another work from the author, since you enjoy the typical nice bottom I feel like Winter Season would be worth checking out.
Wtf is this big paragraph. Everyone finds hard to like mc because he's crazy not flawed lol
Being flawed is one thing but when the flaw is constant self consciousness and self loathing, the second hand embarrassment gets too much for me. Characters being self aware is cool, but when theyre constantly thinking of themselves as these manipulative masterminds for being a little nicer than normal at school, it gets kind of cringe.
I'm confused am I not allowed to share my opinion or something? saying wtf is that paragraph when I'm just sharing my thoughts, I swear tiktok rotted yalls brains if you can't even handle a simple paragraph, like this is literally a comment section, please mc is nowhere crazy lmao have you not seen the way Korea's school system works? Like I said all he did was keep himself safe from being a target of bullying, its already hard enough being a student there now imagine being a closet gay, seeing how ppl there reacted when that other dude got outed and bullied, he's literally just fearing for himself, I'm not seeing he's innocent but calling him crazy just makes me think you didn't understand his character at all.
No I get it lmao I really dislike these scenes, have to immediately scroll away whenever he talks like that about him or especially his thoughts on the top, he makes him look like some manipulative gaslighter god and I cringe right away
Mc is smart but egoist, self cautious, insecure and have no backbone at vulnerable moments, can we please understand the words we're using, flawed = having bad traits, odd habits/behaviour, makse mistakes but arent a bad person, he's literally flawed, we have seen mc being nice multiple times, his literally getting his development arc in the lasted characters, being crazy = having unpredictable behaviour, lashing out, causing troubles/mistakes for the sake of it, harming someone physically for fun, using violence as a way to vent his anger, in nowhere did Jun show any crazy behaviour at all, matter fact that describes the top more than Jun, I'm not sure where you get the fact that he's crazy from his character, my bro is not that tough to be crazy I promise you
I know what flaws mean. And I don't consider flaws as anything of a big deal in fact I like people who have flaws and quite dislike the people who are perfect. But mc is literally crazy. When he was in the hospital , he literally thought that he's proud that after all those violent treatment he went through from Yohan bitch , "he's glad that he's at least use of him , he's glad that he could help Yohan"
And for your information about word description , I don't know lack English than you so you don't have to show me word meanings. I meant what I said , mc is crazy. He didn't stop with the thought of being glad that he was helpful to the guy he got beaten up from , he also came up with even crazier or should I say "stupid" idea of starting to fall for Jayeon to get rid of his feelings for Yohan.
If these are not being crazy to you then you're not sane either
Soooo flawed lmao, you literally described that, like I said what do you think being flawed means? That I stole from a bookstore then went and was nice to a grandma on the street? Jun is capable of being nice when he isn't worrying about his position in school, having bad traits which what you just stated is part of being flawed, being a flawed person is making mistakes, bad actions for his own gain which Jun have did multiple times, all of the stuff you stated was because Jun sees Yohan as the top of the school, he literally sucked up to him because he wants his ass to be free from being a target from bullying which alot of actual Korean students do to avoid getting bullied, like I said you are giving him too much credit, Jun is not capable of being crazy, he's literally been shown to be a coward multiple times, he was about to force himself to fall inlove with some dude just so he could save himself from being a target again, he's self centered and all he thinks about is his safety in all of the series, this is why we see him making bad choices, for the sake of getting himself out of getting targeted which was not the solution as the author showed in his getting bullied arc, if you characterise any character w bad choices as crazy then why are you even reading this? Better off just reading these porn gay stories where the characters are actually crazy.
Girl fym I'm not sane either shit isn't that serious all because I said your doing too much for a coward twink, again, you have not seen crazy nor consumed works that has actual crazy characters if you think my dude is insane, mf just a dumb teen dude thinking hes allat, atp just think whatever you want
Bro you writing all this and saying Jun is not crazy sounding really hilarious to me.
Jun sucked upto Yohan and then he got beaten up by the same dude , he still has feelings for him. He's a masochist or what ? Then he decides to fall for Jayeon, just so he can get rid of his feelings for Yohan. Wasn't that leg break , hand fractures, enough to stop loving Yohan , you need another guy. Can't he ever live without sucking up to anyone ??
It's not like he ever was bullied severely because he didn't follow anyone strong lol.
Before he used to suck upto his crush , then Yohan then Jaeyeon. What's this guy's problem ? This time Jaeyeon is not even at the top of the food chain or whatever. Bro still gotta follow a guy ! He has got no spine.
One thing I never understood about people that they love the same person they get hurt by. I don't think this is a flaw but a disease. And I metamorphically saying that disease is crazy.
So we finally got to the bottom of why you think he's crazy, but I'm afraid what you stated is not crazy by definition, you just simply think he's crazy cus bro's bad at picking his love interests, he literally says so himself in the early chapters that he got a bad taste in men, the reason why he wants to suck up to the other dude is because its the safest option for him, since yohan being the crazy person himself is unpredictable and Jun is afraid of staying by his side then getting betrayed or yohan falling into another outburst and causing Jun to get bullied again, you said jun was not severely bullied to be that much of a suck up, however your forgetting the main reason why jun is always afraid, hes a closet gay teen in a korean school, most of the time jun is mainly worried that he will get outed, and that alone is a pressure on itself that you wont get, he himself saw what getting outed does, i would be fearing for my life as well, another point is that you will see Jun in alot of ppl irl, especially in high school, teens will literally stay in abusive relationships because they feel safe with the other person when they start being nice for a second they automatically brush off their partner's abusive behaviour, does that make all these ppl crazy in your mind? your clearly young and haven't encountered or is educated on abusive relationships, Jun can not help who he loves, if that is actually controllable you will not see any victims irl, not many ppl can just dip at any abusive behaviour from their partner, heck even if Jun ignores yohan and grows a backbone yohan will literally not leave him alone we have seen that the latest chapters, I'm afraid if you want Jun to dip there won't be any story, and it was stated even if Jun leaves yohan will follow him, what do you want Jun to do in the situation? Off himself? Fly abroad? He's stuck w a crazy person who's gonna get more crazy after they graduate from high school, Jun will unfortunately be stuck in an abusive relationship whether we like it or not, it's not the first yaoi to do this and won't be the last, if you hold such resentment for the mc then why even bother continuing to read this? I wouldn't read a work if I dislike the literal main character to that degree, all in all I'm not gonna keep replying, I already explained Jun's behaviour, if you want to keep thinking that he's crazy them be my guest gang at the end of the day he's fictional.
He is a very flawed character. I have a hard time relating to him because to me I see all the traits of a ‘villain’ or bystander character. I understand the situation and the environment that Jun is in while also being closeted. But I’m 30+ chapters in and all I really see is him being narcissistic, manipulative, cunning and cold. It feels a little flat. I guess I wish I could’ve seen more nuance to his character. He doesn’t feel guilt, compassion or sympathy so I could understand why people may think he’s crazy or sociopathic. I have met people like Jun IRL, they are the type who don’t really see you as a real person, and may use you only for their own goals. He’s also the typical “I need the ml to save me” but I guess it’s understandable. I don’t have sympathy for Jun because of the way his actions and thoughts are portrayed so maybe that is what the author was going for. And for the record Jun He is a very flawed character. I have a hard time relating to him because to me I see all the traits of a ‘villain’ or bystander character. I understand the situation and the environment that Jun is in while also being a closeted homosexual. But I’m 30+ chapters in and all I really see is him being narcissistic, manipulative, cunning and cold. It feels a little flat. I guess I wish I could’ve seen more nuance to his character. He doesn’t feel guilt, compassion or sympathy so I could understand why people may think he’s crazy or psychopathic. I have met people like Jun IRL, they are the type who don’t really see you as a real person, and use you only for their own goals. Also Jun IS your typical teen dude, he has a high ego, views himself as better than everyone, and follows whoever is the strongest. But yes you are correct, he is very much flawed and some people enjoy those type of characters and unfortunately I am one of those people. Jun “fakes” being nice in a way that feels psychopathic though, he’s not doing it so that he doesn’t get bullied, it just makes him look and feel better. Jun could not give two fucks about bullying in general, so long as he’s not the one at the center of it. Jun is not a victim of bullying like Tae San is. In my opinion he just is not a very likable main character and that’s fine, there’s plenty of unlikable main characters out there. And I think it’s mainly because the author doesn’t show any of Jun’s positive character traits. It’s not unfathomable to show a bunch of negative character traits and not have people, dissociate from the character, it’s just like with the ml. But maybe that’s why Jun and Yohan are for each other.