Shuraka Tei's Topics (61)

Do you know where I can read it because now I really want to know this Dominic guy and why we can hate him and Julia of course. Because for sometime now I felt that everyone is If you can manhwas is a victim and I need someone to blame for it

Good points, but leaving everything aside, I'd still blame Ashley and Koi. (Totally personal opinion no offense) At the end of the day, their children shouldn't have been the ones paying the price for their trauma. The kids didn't deserve any of it. And ofc neither did Ashley and Koi, but who brought those children into this world? The parents did. You can't defend Ashley's treatment of his Alpha children simply because he has past trauma. Trauma explains behavior, it doesn't justify hurting innocent people. No one has the right to pass their trauma onto others, especially not their own children. This is one of the biggest reasons why many people choose not to have kids. If you know you're carrying trauma that could seriously affect the way you raise a child, then that's something you have to deal with. It's not fair to bring children into the world and expect them to live with the consequences of wounds they never caused. I know Ashley acknowledges that he was a terrible parent, and I respect that. I also understand that both of them were genuinely trying their best. But imo "trying your best" isn't always enough when it comes to parenting. Children aren't experiments where you learn through trial and error. They're living human beings whose entire lives are shaped by how they're raised. And if you ask me how they were supposed to stop Koi from getting pregnant, honestly, I don't have an answer. That's something they should've figured out themselves before more children were brought into the world. I understand Ashley's brain damage made things incredibly complicated, and Koi's trauma made abortion impossible for him. Those are tragic circumstances, but they don't erase the responsibility that comes with having children.

You asked how people can expect anything from Ashley and Koi when they're both victims of abuse. My answer is because they're parents. The moment you bring another life into the world, people are going to expect more from you. That's the responsibility that comes with becoming a parent. Their past explains why they struggle, but it doesn't make it fair for their children to suffer because of it. You can't put a stamp on every bad outcome with "but look at their past" because their past is their burden. It shouldn't become their children's burden too, and not everyone else's who ends up becoming a victim of the consequences. Their children didn't choose to inherit those burdens, and neither did the people who later had to deal with the trauma and dysfunction that resulted from how those children were raised.

And honestly, people have every right to be angry. (That said, I do agree that a lot of manhwa readers can be incredibly toxic.) Put yourself in Chase's shoes for a moment. Imagine being told that you "RAPED" a dog, living with that guilt and psychological trauma every single day, only to later find out it was all a lie. Sure, you'd feel relieved once the truth came out, but relief doesn't erase the damage. The psychological trauma would already be there. People may defend Greyson by saying he couldn't properly feel or understand emotions, and I understand that. But that doesn't change the impact of what he did. Whether someone acts out of trauma, emotional impairment, or an inability to understand emotions, it still doesn't make it okay to make someone else suffer because of it. An explanation helps us understand why something happened, but it /doesn't/ erase the consequences. And just because the Miller kids struggle to feel or express emotions doesn't mean they don't get hurt or don't experience pain both physically and psychologically. They may process emotions differently, but they're still human. They can still be traumatized, and they can still suffer. What Chase went through was horrific, and Greyson shouldn't be excused for that. Greyson's condition may explain his actions, but it doesn't undo the psychological damage Chase was forced to live with for years.

Again, I'm not trying to villainize or defend anyone. But if we're being honest, the parents have to bear responsibility for their children's suffering. And it doesn't stop there, their parenting also affected everyone around those children. The kids themselves may not even realize how dysfunctional their lives are because that's all they've ever known. To them, it's normal. They might not even care or understand the extent of it. But from a third-person perspective, it's genuinely heartbreaking to see how much damage it caused, not just within the family but to everyone who became involved with them.

At the same time, imo i think that's exactly what makes Zig's writing so compelling. The characters aren't simply good or evil. They're deeply flawed, shaped by trauma, and their choices create ripple effects that impact everyone around them. But understanding why they became who they are doesn't mean we can't hold them accountable for the people they hurt.

For Dominic and Juliet’s story read here:

https://oceanstale.com/eat-me-up-if-you-can/emu-1/

For Ashley and Koi story read here: Read it after Dominic and Juliet. You’ll get where the root of the madness in that family came from. But at some point if it weren’t for Dominic and Juliet being a bad parent Ashley wouldn’t have met Koi. Imagine asking your own son to kill you and take the punishment from Dominic after Ashley granted Juliet’s wish to kill him. Ashley never felt parental love. He knew from the start that his own existence is just a reminder of his father’s power over Juliet. He’s like he’s his trophy son. The evidence that Dominic and Juliet is one with him. Dominic is also why Koi and Ashley broke up, the very reason why Ashley decided to hurt himself which resulted to his brain damage. The reason why he can no longer feel emotions except for Koi. Ashley is far from how he used to be when he stil feels emotions.

Ashley and Koi story link is here:

https://cherrymist.cafe/chapter/lmuc-ch-1/

Then what more do you want from them? They are with them every step of the way, they seek professional help, Koi personally tends to them. Even after the incident Ashley lets him as long as Ashley is with him. Koi keeps telling them what’s wrong from right. Ashley still have security team
Guarding them and their families even after all his children have spouses and kids of their own. He keeps them away from harm and from Jail. Who helped Nathaniel when he killed someone? Who keeps Chase away from Jail after all his scandals. They are full adults. Parents should no longer be responsible for their full grown ass adult children wiho has children of their own and yet despite that he and Koi still look after them.

Can you call the parents of psychopaths who killed innocent people and yet grew up in a loving home then? Their children are categorized as that. They don’t feel guilt killing. They know it’s wrong but the essence of why it is wrong is what they don’t know. You can’t always blame it on the parents. Just recently there’s a mass shooting in the country where I live. The children who shoot students grew up in a loving family. Yet the kids didn’t exhibit any guilt nor remorse for what they did. There’s only so much a parent could give and teach their young ones.

You are right. You've forgotten to put how Chase also traumatized others. It's a chain reaction.
So it's disappointing how Kiss me if you can didn't play with Chase's character more. It focused on Joshua more that we didn't see any redemption and character development. (As far as the novel is concern.) It looked like his trauma was used for excusing his violent assaults because they were completely forgotten after, until it was needed for the plot again.

Thanks you so much. Only from its descriptions I can tell that the story will be more tragic compare to others

For me, what's lacking was that in their children's younger days, the parents used the wrong method. The earlier years are whats the most important stage you could be with a child in every step of the way. When they gave up the clinical way, they could have thought of other methods. The not rich solutions, like having actual conversations with their children, dedicating time for them. Grayson in ch17 do not recognize Dane's emotion. This was proof. Why? In all his life, you mean no one showed that expression for him? No one empathized for him, not one family member.
I am not blaming all of these to the parents though, it's just that they also have responsibility for a child's growth. Sometimes, a loving family seen on the outside don't mean their dynamics inside the house was also great. It often comes down on the parenting ways and methods.

Just curious about something: "Whether someone acts out of trauma, emotional impairment, or an inability to understand emotions, it still doesn't make it okay to make someone else suffer because of it." The doesn't make it okay phrase presumes that the person was "making someone suffer" in the sense of knowingly doing something to them. Which wasn't the case for Grayson. Idt anyone is saying that Grayson's condition allows him to harm others. It's just that the carelessness and the situations led to the things that happened. I believe Grayson could have been stopped if the parents would have paid a little more attention. At the same time I don't completely blame Ash and Koi either. I blame the choices they made. I do knw just like grayson, they didn't do anything deliberately. Forgiving someone as a reader when we know that non of them caused harm to others intentionally doesn't mean that the problems they caused will be erased. Explaining the situation, forgiving their actions and holding them responsible for it, all are three different statements and some ppl are trying to put them in one statement which is absurd here.

When it will come to Chase's trauma, Grayson will always be responsible for it. When it will come to grayson, Ashley and Koi will be responsible for it. When it will come to Ash n koi, Dominic and Juliet will be responsible for it.

Also some ppl often foget that chase's victim list is way longer than the rest of the Millers. So he will always be responsible for all those 100+ people's sufferings but it doesn't matter to some as they aren't imp character.

I wanted to point this out too earlier. The way it was phrased was deliberately brushing off the psychological conditions as something that could be controlled. Like there's an on and off switch to it. 'I should not make anyone suffer so I must turn off my alexithymia'.

Not to mention Chase's victims are all results of intentional harm unlike other Millers

Exactly, i mean the person didn't even knw that they are causing harm to others. The moment he realised that all he has done is harming others he went to apologise to every single person. That says enough abt Grayson

I think we're kind of talking past each other here, and that's probably because I didn't explain my point very well, I apologise for that.
I wasn't trying to say Grayson is to blame for having trauma or emotional impairment, and I definitely wasn't trying to ignore everything Chase did. I only brought Grayson up as an example because I was talking about how trauma can still end up hurting other people, not because I think he deserves all the blame. Chase is responsible for his own actions, and I'm not excusing that.
My point has always been that the responsibility starts with Ashley and Koi. I understand why Ashley struggled with some of his children. He hated the parts of himself that reminded him of his father, and unfortunately that affected the children who resembled him. I genuinely sympathize with him. But those children didn't choose to look like him, they didn't choose to inherit his condition, and they shouldn't have had to carry the consequences of trauma they had no part in. That's why I don't think they should've had children.

And also I don't think the psychopath comparison really fits here because I'm talking about foreseeable risk. In most cases, parents have no reason to expect their child will grow up that way. Here, Ashley and Koi already knew there was a serious possibility that Ashley's condition and their unresolved trauma could affect their future children. They didn't know exactly how things would turn out, but they knew there was a real risk before those children were even born. That's the difference I'm trying to point out.
I'm also not saying Ashley and Koi are evil or that they deserved what happened. I don't believe that at all. I think they genuinely tried to help them once they were here. My disagreement is with the decision that came before that.

And when I said "making someone suffer," I wasn't talking about intentional harm. I meant causing harm, whether it's intentional or not. Someone can unintentionally hurt others because of trauma or emotional impairment. Understanding why it happened doesn't erase the fact that someone else was still hurt. I think both of those things can be true at the same time. I also don't think responsibility has to belong to just one person. Chase is responsible for his own choices. Grayson is responsible for the harm he directly caused. But Ashley and Koi are also responsible for the decision to bring children into a situation where they already knew there were significant risks. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
And I think that's the part that sometimes gets overlooked. Ashley and Koi's children are victims too, but so are the people who were hurt by them. They didn't choose to be part of that cycle either.
Though yeah when you asked "What more do you want Ashley and Koi to do?" I'd honestly say, nothing. Once the children were born, I think they had a responsibility to love them, protect them, and get them whatever help they could. From what we've seen, they genuinely tried. But as I said before, my issue is with the decision that came before any of that.

All of this is just my personal opinion, but regardless of how the Miller kids turned out, I think it ultimately comes back to Ashley and Koi's decision to have children despite knowing there were significant risks. Part of why I feel so strongly about this is because it hits close to home for me. Personally, if I knew there was a significant risk that my own trauma or condition could seriously affect my future child, I don't think I could justify taking that chance. That's just where I stand, and it's why I see the situation the way I do.

That makes it clear..I agree with your point here.

Your wording before actually changed the meaning of your points. It's good that we cleared that up now.

This shit pissed me off so much when i was reading the Novel like the ML is such a smug piece of shit (╬￣皿￣)凸

Right!!!! I was like so that’s it? No apology like nadah? Nothing at all? And they still ended up together?

I lost my hope

Stacy is the twin sister of Grayson right?? please spoil why she appeared. thanks

So here it goes, Bliss the youngest of the Miller siblings was asking for an advise because Cassian his fiancee doesn’t want to lay him, but Bliss wanted to have sex with him so he tried to seduced him. But the man is tough and didn’t give in. He wanted Bliss first time to be special and also he wanted to officially asked Bliss’s hand from his father Ashley and Koi but Bliss doesn’t want to afraid his father would oppose so Bliss wanted to have a wedding in secret but Cassia doesn’t want to. So he made a plan to have sex with Cassian so his father wouldn’t say no. But Cassian doesn’t want to give in. So he called Larien first and asked how to flirt and seduced but Larien said that’s not her expertise and should seek an advice from Stacy who’s expert in seducing. So Bliss who has no choice called Stacy. From the other line Stacy annoyingly answered the call so Bliss spilled his concernred and he was like oh you’re the one doing the thrusting right? And Stacy was like both. Then she proceeded in teaching Bliss how to seduce. So after the call got cut off Stacy was like who told you to pee without my command?

Yo! stacy being a dom and actually the master of seduction?!?! oh my!! she is definitely interesting one

Damn what somehow draw a circle there

It’s years after Shuraka and Tei story meaning when the world is about to end. So here’s BWATnim spoiler even before BOTWN was published. I’m guessing the “New eyes of Natam” here are those people who will be aftee Tei and Shuraka story. They’ll probably find a cure or something. Maybe since Tei and Shuraka wasn’t mentioned in this spoiler of BWATnim….. just read it at your own risk.

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Arnata, those who possess the eyes of the new Natam, have the ability to revive dead sprouts and make them grow.

The descendants of Arnata, far in the future, when the life of the stars comes to an end and that world begins to collapse, fall in love with a dragon and marry the dragon.

And the descendants born as a mixed blood of dragon and human establish a new country, and a new era opens.

So here’s the summary story of the dragon who fell in love with the human…..


A LONG TIME AGO, THERE LIVED A DRAGON WHO WAS IN LOVE WITH A HUMAN OF A FALLING STAR.

THE DRAGON LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT HUMAN.

THE WAVES THAT CARESSED THE HUMAN'S BODY.

THE FOREST THAT SANG ALONG WITH THE HUMAN'S VOICE.

BECAUSE THE DRAGON LOVED THE HUMAN SO MUCH, IT WAS SAD TO SEE THE STAR DIE. SO IT MADE A DECISION.

THE DRAGON ITSELF WOULD NOURISH
THE DYING STAR THAT CARRIED TRACES OF MANKIND AND BECOME THE STAR ITSELF.

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Agrish: CHILDREN OF THE DRAGON. THE LANGERES PEOPLE, SELECTED BY THE KING OF SERPENTS. I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THOSE NAMES. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE LANGERES PEOPLE ARE CALLED THAT?

Agrish: IT'S BECAUSE THE BLOOD OF THE DRAGON RUNS IN THEIR VEINS.

Agrish: MY DRAGON BRETHREN WERE IN CHARGE OF WATCHING OVER THE STAR CREATED BY THE GREAT GOD. US DRAGONS ARE BORN FROM THOSE STARS.

THEY MEET THE REST OF THEIR FAMILIES ONCE THEY ARE BORN FROM A "STAR" EGG. IF THE STAR'S POWER IS ESPECIALLY STRONG, THE FLUID SPRAYED FROM THE EGG WHEN THE DRAGON IS BORN WILL FERTILIZE THE STAR. THIS IN TURN
BECOMES THE BOUNTY THAT PROVIDES LIFE FOR ALL LIVING CREATURES.

UNFORTUNATELY, ONE PARTICULAR STAR FAILED TO HATCH. MY BROTHERS AND I ABANDONED IT. BUT DEAR SISTER SAKSHA. SHE WAS DIFFERENT. SHE LOVED THIS STAR FAR TOO MUCH.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH A HUMAN WHO WAS DESTINED TO DIE ON THAT STAR. THOSE BORN FROM THEIR UNION ARE THE LANGERES PEOPLE. DESCENDANTS OF THE DRAGON.

BUT THE STAR THAT FAILED TO HATCH WAS ROTTING. IN THE END, SAKSHA WAS FORCED TO MELT IT DOWN AND TURN IT INTO LAND AND WATER.

SHE DID IT TO PROTECT HER BELOVED CHILDREN.

SAKSHA ALWAYS SAID THAT HER HUMAN WAS THE CONTRACTOR OF HER DESTINY.

Do we know how long the hiatus will be?
Also: holy angst to come... I really hope Tei can get over the: I need to be useful to be able to stay here issue he has.
Will this be 3 seasons? Like reunion-the past-healing together?
(Yes I'm asking way too much, sorry)

I don’t know it was only the season 2 that BWAT spoiled. Wait let me paste the post here


Season 1 mainly covered Tae's perspective.
Season 2 will focus on why Shuraka became the greatest tyrant in Arnata history, the one who made the current era known as the "Age of the River of Blood"
... In other words, Shuraka's perspective will
take center stage.
Within this year

Thank you! Sorry for bombarding you with my questions :D

The destruction story is in-between BOTWN and S&C. There isn't any statement on the end of this story AFAIK.

uh oh… i’m definitely letting this marinate till it’s completed LOL

Really but I’m still hoping this one will be a happy ending.

Can you give an order of the books they should be read in and ahem a totally ‘legal and legitimate’ sute as well

So there have a manhwa or only a novel bc if it’s only novel idc I will just continue to hate him until I read his own story

Eat me up if you can - the story of their grandparents (Dominic Miller and Ashley Juliet Dawson) It is sweet till it turned dark


Lick Me Up If You Can - Story of Chase’s parents (Ashley Dominic Miller and Connor (AKA Koi) Niles this one is a sweet story. What happened to their relationship is the reason why all 6 Miller siblings turned out the way they did. They inherited it from their father. (They will also thoroughly explain about Dominant omegas here and just how powerful they are more than dominant alphas) so this story is really important. This story also where Angel was first introduced as his second alpha (Remember how in Kiss Me Liar Kieth said that Angel has 5 alphas? So two were introduced in this story)


Then you can read Desire Me If You Can. There are a lot of mentions in those two stories in Desire me if you can so if you haven’t read it yet and you proceed reading Desire me, there will be events loss to you in reading that.

Base in the Webtoon adaptation they will release Deisre Me If You Can first which is odd considering there are many mentions in the events happened in two books which are the grandparents and the parents story.

The thing is everything rooted down their grandparents, how it affected their father and how it contributed greatly to the relationship of their parents which almost got broken because the grandfather opposed it and now how it affected the siblings. Greyson story is good because somehow the ghost of their Grandfather resolves in his story. Ashley (Their father) always fear that his children will go down the path of his own father (Dominic Miller) He kinds create distance between his kids and his mate/husband because the kids tried to poison their own mother once. He only allowed his husband near the kids when he is with Ashley even when they are all grown ups. He only ever allowed their mother to see them alone when they already understand emotions (which by the way when the kids already fall in love with their own partners.)

The chronological order in the Novel should have been the grandparents first, then the book of the parents, then Greyson.

If you hate Greyson then you’ll curse the Grandfather I swear nothing what Greyson did can even compared to what their Grandfather did to his omega and as if mocking and branding his own son as his property he named him after his Omega.

Chase’s father’s name is Ashley Dominic Miller and Ashley’s omega birth mother’s name is Ashley Juliet Dawson Miller. That’s why their father only wanted to be called Ash not Ashley.

Ok but u let it sound like the stuff Greyson did is nothing and no drama at all only bc the grandfather did worse? Like wtf so greysons shit is nothing

He has psychological and emotional problem. Mental problem is a disease if you dismissed then you are making yourself sound like a hypocrite advocating for those who are suffering from depression but dismisses those who has a different mental illness. There are many variations of mental illnesses if you don’t know.

Didn’t you know that psychological problems are considered diseases? If you know nothing about the story or the situation and circumstances in that story then better hold your thoughts just don’t talk and criticize the character who’s suffering from mental illnesses because dismissing it is also dismissing people who are suffering from it. You don’t know how hard it is to fight a battle within you.

I know it because I suffered from mental disorder and know people who also suffered from it. It is hard to explain to people who are not suffering from it why you do what you do because you yourself can’t understand why you even do it in the first place. Doctor’s telling you that it’s chemicals or hormones in you brain that causes it and constant prying and lecturing you get from people telling you it’s just all in your mind. You don’t know that struggle.

I never understood the angel thing ig when i read kml it was at a bad translation i think
So its grandparent story, parent story, then kml, then josh n chase then desire me

I suffer form my own shit so don’t assume stuff u don’t know about but even tho someone is sick doesn’t excuse everything they do if u think that’s ur just a disgusting person that’s why I wrote what I wrote

How can you convict a person who did something without him genuinely knowing that what he did is wromg? Even in court takes that into an account. If you are not well versed with the law then go read some. This is the reason if crimes committed by peoples who have history of mental illnesses who commit crimes sometimes pleads insanity. Even the law not just the health care sees it as a form of disease.

There are far more people who were diagnosed with psychosis and committed mass murder but the law often times shift the verdict from punishment to treatment. Because they acknowledge that person is sick.

How can you tell those people that they are wrong when they are not even aware that they are wrong?
It is easy for someone who has awareness of it to say it is wrong since they know it is wrong but it is hard for those who doesn’t know much more who can’t understand it.

I’m stopping here because obviously we have different opinions when it comes to this. You have not been around people who have suffered from severe mental illness who have hurt others without them knowing it hurts others.

It is different from those who have awareness than those who don’t. It infuriates me because that kind of mindset often invites people who are suffering from it to self-exit. It is insensitive to hold them in contempt for things they don’t understand. And it disgust me that those same people who made such remarks are the first one to act like they were the ones who actually care once the person is already gone after getting triggered by insensitive blaming. It is like blaming the sick person why they are sick when they themselves didn’t even asked to be mentally ill.

I won’t be responding to your reply. Think whatever you want to think. Normal healthy mind people already have enough people on their side but mentally ill people don’t have much people to defend and voice out for them.

Chase was completely normal, his Pheromones didn't affected him as he was a late manifest.

Also no one here will understand lol.

Yea. His face is like a sculpture. Beautiful but hard as a stone