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"without being asked"
He was asked. Also, he is trying to have the cameras removed.

he was never asked to sit on Jiwhan’s lap. Silly

He gave jihwan a peck and he wasn't satisfied. Sooyoung was simply pulling out all the stops to get what he wants. It was all initiated by the deal of "you kiss me and I'll remove the cameras".

I'm not saying he feels nothing for jihwan. But the making out they did was completely coerced.

I didn’t say it wasn’t coerced. Afterall, It was perfectly coerced (≧∀≦). But Soo-young went all out, he could have just kissed him normally, but instead he got on his lap, felt Jiwhan’s dick, and sucked his lips. Soo-young wss coerced, but he still made a choice far from what was needed.

Oh fucking hell naww, that'll be downright SA my lad. Isn't this enough tension already, ukes gonna be traumatised, not that he isn't already

I don't think MC wants bro near his body....

SA already happened when seme fucked drunk uke, my lad. So might as well let team leader get a try og uke too. (≧∀≦)

I want mc near his body. That’s all the consent needed

Hm so u just want MC to be raped

The fuck ? First of all MC drunk while seduce the first guy, so it he doing the consent because that guy is handsome,
Second of all u are out of your mind he literally see him as a benefactor, while he grooming him even now he violence him, harassed him, and u still thinking at least they fuck !? U are crazy

yup >//<

drunk people can’t consent or seduce no matter how handsome the other person is

Get some help seriously

Bruh, yes they do , you think MC is not a grown ass adult who has a type on some handsome men ? Even if he not fully in the right mind, he still himself on the train , which he automatically follow him and seduce him, also he indeed make a mistake, but these two adult make a right choice to call it one time sex and u call it SA which is not because they both agree with the last communication that it a one night sex , sexual assault is the one us support MC with, who basically slap MC , use him as a slave in the company, and fully grooming him, how disgusting

you don’t know what sexual assault is. Drunk people cannot consent, they are under the influence of a substance. You can’t call me sick for enjoying fictional rape when u dont even know what actual rape is.

And guess what? You are sick in the head wishing the main character getting rape !!!!

oki i’m sick >//<

MC will got raped twice by the senior. From the spoiler. Don't thank me.

There is no way I've lived long enough to genuinely see people try and defend rape just because it's a "common trope." It shouldn't be one in the first fucking place, and you don't have to be new to BL to dislike seeing stories go down the drain with unnecessary SA/rape that adds nothing to the plot and takes away any potential the story had beforehand. And no, it's not weird to not expect a story to have rape thrown in the mix unprecedentedly, nobody wants to try and read something new and have that there.

ur reading something that has porn. Kinks and fethishes are obviously going to exist in it. Go on mangaupdates and read the tags if you want to avoid rape. Reading a story with sexual material, without checking the tags, is the equivalent of pressing a random video on pornhub and getting mad about the contents.

Reducing SA/rape to "fetishes and kinks" is all I need to know about you. I'm well aware there is porn on this site, and assuming that I don't read general tags before reading a story is another mistake you've made. Nowhere was there clarification in the general tags or even in the episode I was referring to that SA would occur. My point wasn't even about rape not being allowed in stories, my point was that you were defending it by hiding behind the "it's a common trope !!" excuse. And no, it is not equivalent to clicking a random video on pornhub because porn videos famously put details about said video within the title, clear for all who can read. That's genuinely a terrible attempt at finding similarities.

that’s why I stated to check mangaupdates. Ur tags for rape and anything else are on there. You’re right that stories need trigger warnings before chapters, but until then, mangaupdates is helpful.

It is also a trope. Nothing I said was a lie or generalization. It is a common trope/kink/fetish in sexual media. My point for that is not wrong just because u think it’s gross to defend fictional jerk off material.

Nothing you say has any meaningful correlation to what I am saying. There's no need to clarify that nothing you said was a lie or generalization when that was never apart of this. I didn't say it wasn't a common trope, at all, I said you're hiding behind the excuse of it being a common trope in order to defend it. And btw, seeing that you wish for characters to be raped for your own pleasure, I can see why you're reducing it to "fictional jerk material." Your fetish directly demeans the topic and the fact you find no issue with this despite your behavior makes it clear you are ill. It's not that I find it "gross," I find it to be a general sign of stupidity to reduce rape to something to jerk off to just because it doesn't involve people of flesh, despite it very clearly affecting your very real emotional response to it.

if you think enjoying porn like this makes me ill than you’ll find a substantial amount of people are ill.

It is very much because nobody with flesh is harmed in fictional rape that it is okay to reduce it to a trope, kink, or fetish. You clearly can’t tell the difference between fiction and reality if you’re equating my responses to fictional stories as if it’s the same response I would have to actual rape.

I'm aware of those people, and you'll often find that they are infact ill, hence why they tend to make such comments and even try to branch further out into the internet. Eitherway, it is NEVER okay to reduce things such as rape/sa, racism, colorism, etc to just kinks and fetishes—and again, I'm not saying it's not a trope you dimwit, stop with that argument. I'm well aware of the difference between fiction and reality, and it's genuinely amazing how much you lack reading comprehension skills. How many times do people usually have to repeat themselves before you get the gist of something ? I said you are reducing it to SOLELY a fetish BECAUSE there is no flesh involved so that you can defend it, and you are IGNORING that despite that, it still affects your very REAL emotional response. Nowhere did I say you'd feel that way about actual rape, you are pulling things out of your ass that I never said. Lock in.

how am I supposed to perceive I’ve ur argument as anything else when ur entire “reason” is dumb as shit. “Affecting my very real emotional response” bitch wtf are r u talking about. Yeah i’m a fucking assume ur talking about my response to actual rape, coz what tf does “affecting emotional response” to a fictional story mean. Omg i’m responding to the rape in the story the same way it does. I’m having fun with the story, unlike ur bitch ass. Cry about me defending a porn story.

Srry wanted to down vote

Uhhh paws & claws didn't have rape tho, chiyoung (top) is a mob boss, and an evergreen forest, even a virgin....

i’m not saying every story with a gangster has rape. But, if you’re reading a bl MANHWA, it’s best to go into it expecting that it will have rape, as most bl manhwas do. That’s why it’s important to read the tags on MangaUpdates if you dislike rape, or any other triggering things.

Wow so actually that’s not a good look. A vast amount of bl does not include rape. Generalizing it like this is insane and is also the reason a lot of people hate on bl as a genre and use this excuse to validate their homophobia. I am not saying you are doing that, I am trying to explain that making these sorts of generalizations and accepting this as a ‘norm’ is unhealthy for yourself and society as a whole as you are feeding into these hurtful ideas. I do not think rape is bad to have in a story but you should absolutely not be referring to rape as a fetish/kink. There are real people who are hurt by these cruel acts that are rooted in control and patriarchy/sexism (most victims of rape/sa are women). I am very well aware that people should be able to separate fiction and reality, but regarding bl as something that is ‘bound to have rape in it’ is an inherently harmful take to have. As an example, there is much more straight pornhwas out there than there is bl, and a good proportion of them have senseless rape that is sweeped under the rug and treated as normal. Yet bl is often referenced to have a lot of sexual violence in it as if other genres are not as bad. I don’t think you understand that just because a story has smut in it does not mean it should have a trashy plot… Justifying this by telling people to expect it or turn their brains off does not absolve the bigger problem here. The problem is that rape shouldn’t be taken lightly like this. It is the stripping of someone’s bodily autonomy and is oftentimes related to the rapist’s sense of control which is highly debilitating to rape victims. Yeah huge paragraph I know but I hope you hold more respect for rape/sa victims and how terrible the idea of rape is.

I Lwk repeating myself a lot here but I’m just trying to convey how weird this sounds because like… rape is not a simple fetish or kink. It is a practice deeply rooted in control and patriarchy, it’s a practice that has been used to subjugate women and ruin people’s lives. Think about the types of ideas you’re spreading about things that kill people.

I never said all bl. I said bl MANHWA.

Imma ignore the rest of ur bs comment, coz cleary u don’t understand how to separate fiction and reality if u think like that.

I understand very well how to separate fiction and reality. Rape should not be brushed under the rug because that makes it a poorly used plot device. What people’s complaints really is with the rape in this story is that it reflects as bad writing. The problem is that other people do not take bl MANHWA and expect it to have poorly written plot just because it’s a bl manhwa or contains smut. We’re complaining about how stupid the writing is by using rape in this way. I’m trying to explain to you that Rape almost never is brushed under the rug like that in real life. Another problem lies in the fact that other people may NOT know how to separate fiction and reality. You calling rape a simple kink/fetish will lead people without a proper understanding of the term to think of it the wrong way. Quite frankly, you seem quite immature and don’t really understand how society works. People who think the way you do are not well educated on what rape really is and what negative connotations it carries. Sorry, I feel like I’m being rude but I really hope you understand I don’t mean to demean you. I really hope you take rape more seriously and maybe possibly understand how big the connection fiction has with reality as it impacts people’s worldviews in huge, huge ways. In a sense, you can’t separate reality and fiction to a huge degree, but I’m not going to dive into that because I don’t have all the time in the world to explain these things ☹

Bl, bl manhwa

imo it’s not like i can’t read manhwa without rape, the thing is this manhwa is a gangster story comedy. the early chapters are hilarious, so i expected at least it would be a good short manhwa. it’s not the type of yakuza manhwa like heart packer or ignite the dawn. it’s the same situation as jaeyi from scammed and rammed where the rape/sa is unnecessary, it doesn’t fit with their character

You said BL manhwa, not "some" BL manhwa. That distinction is important. It's like saying "fruits are orange" rather than "some fruits are orange".

the wording you choose completely changes the claim you're making.

Rape should never be generalized or brushed off as just a kink/fetish, even within fictional stories. yes, readers need to separate fiction from reality, but some fiction are still a representation of real life concepts and human experiences.

seeing your response, I can tell english isn't your first language. but, whether this is a language barrier issue or a misunderstanding, language shouldnt be an excuse to ignore valid criticisms. several people have explained why your stance is problematic, yet you refuse to reflect on how your words impact the community.

yall are all stupid as hell. Bl manhwa is notorious for having rape in them. It’s as simple as that. Erotica has kinks and fetishes in them. Rape is one of them. If someone has an issue with that, then they should do more do avoid it.

If u cannot understand why rape is so common in erotica. Then learn WHY. Google is a search away.

My stance is not problematic. I read the porn I enjoy. I use context clues and tags to avoid things I don’t like. If yall can’t do that, that’s smth to perhaps do some fucking work on.

Yall wanna hate on the rape in this story, coz real life people go thru it. But are fine with a gangster seme. With the story having the meal lead be a CRIMINAL. As if people in real life aren’t traumatized by dating people involved in a life of crime, or how dating people in crime often means being subjected to rape by them. Draw ur lines where u wanna draw ur lines, but understand the story ur reading has many more problematic themes than just rape.

But anyways you’re equating bl manhwa with erotica and that’s just a false fucking statement. Bl manhwa does not equal erotica surprise surprise everyone’s problem would not exist if you would just acknowledge that bl manhwa does not equal porn because the LITERAL DEFINITION is not that it includes smut or porn brother Like why are we debating this just look the definition up it is not garanteed to have porn so the genre can’t be equated with pornhwa

Please understand that just because a story contains smut doesn’t mean the plot shouldn’t make sense if someone wants to nitpick the plot LET THEM because in the end a story is there to be understood in however way you want to do that. Complaining that the rape DOESNT make sense isn’t a bad thing because they’re not complaining just about morals it’s about how the author is lazy and dumb lol and doesn’t want to use their brain to create a pathway to smut that isn’t character breaking

I kinda liked him at first sight before he did all that, I mean if he was the ML I would fully enjoy his crazy ass but ugh

He’s not really a love interest, he’s just there for iltak to reflect on his past mistakes. Iltak is very much tunnel vision for hyunwoo

Fr ts PMO me so bad