soap opera levels of bullshit in this manga but i read it for the friction. wdym you want to be her mom... mhm.. yeah.... let's hang onto that train of thought. not sure why anybody would look for healthy relationships or communication here, lol
this should show yall not to jump to conclusions when it comes to ongoing manhwa lol. i understand making predictions that end up being wrong, and entertaining these theories is all in good fun—but some of you look like idiots accepting them as fact when it is very clear that the big picture remains obscure to the reader. give the author room to write what they need to write. that being said, *i* personally believe seongmin remains suspicious af and I've thought so since last year. the fact that he's actively standing by and even joining in on their coworkers gossiping about yuwon tells me his intentions are less than noble. people oscillating from "seongmin is an evil rapist" to "oh no, my bad, he's not, it's the weirdos on twitter who made me think that!" when 80% of them haven't even read the chapter themselves is hilarious.
I HATE when girls fight. I HATE IT I HATE I HATE IT. Ladies you BOTH are beautiful, and life is too short to argue about dumb shit! Please just kiss and make up........now feel each others boobs ok now lick each others pussies...yeah now rub them together...yeah....
i only await the day rosa buys a strap and also starts harassing — sorry, engaging in intimate acts with female subs. to restore the balance of nature.
You Are My World does not deserve some of you motherfuckers as fans lol. i vote for more toxicity on suah's part, in hopes it will erase the absurd notion that he was EVER a "green flag." writing fanfiction in your head and then having the nerve to feel mislead or cheated out of a "fluffy" manhwa... idk what neurons in your brains misfired to come to these conclusions, but feel free to stop reading the manhwa and ruining the fun for everyone else. preach elsewhere.
The7 cant even appreciate anything anymore
You’re so real bruh
thanks for saying it, can't they just touch grass and stop dissing both seme and uke. The trope is right where the creator wanted it, what's wrong w it gosh
fr fr with all the whining and bitching there has been lately I hope this manhwa turns even more toxic
Lmfao right
Like bitch Ima obv still read this regardless of whomever. Eating popcorn atp
"More toxicity" and its just straight up rape just say it if y'all can't handle opinions so you get mad when people call out the problematic rapist
yes, thank you for saying it for me. i'm glad your brain functions. suah is not a "problematic" rapist, he's a fictional character who functions under a set of rules unique to his fictional world. character analysis is important when reading; crazy, i know. he's a traumatized individual, and stemming from this trauma is a vicious possessiveness. can we call the fictional act of scenting someone allegorical, and a form of rape? yes. does it make heaps and loads of sense for suah, a *fictional character* who serves a narrative purpose, to cum inside juhyeok without prior consent, because of his controlling and jealous nature? yes. now please ask yourself why someone would want more of these kinds of acts from suah. because they fall in line with exactly who his character is presented as to us, the reader, who is hopefully able to come to sound conclusions regarding the characters in this story. the reader who sees it as out-of-character and shoe-horned for suah to be toxic — as you say, a "problematic rapist" who needs to be "called out" — is the one who has not been paying attention. yeah, i want more "straight up rape" if it filters the fuck out of lobotomites like you.
This is not about him acting out of character this is about the author portraying a rapist whose actions are then forgiven cuz he has some childhood trauma literally implying that his actions were justified and therefore you should sympathize with him. You're all free to express your opinion and say whatever you want about him but then maybe don't tell others to shut up if they want to call it out and get off the comments section if you don't like seeing what others have to say. We can't all agree on something but it should be understandable that people are tired of seeing rape and abuse normalised so much in bl so obviously they're gonna complain and talk about it
If your mood is ruined cuz people are calling romanticised rape in fiction disgusting (which it is) then that is your problem
"in fiction" you almost have the answer there, if are so immature that you can't differentiate between fiction and real life then that's also your problem.
Fiction doesn't get a magical no-critique pass
if this is what you come up with after reading 21 chapters of this story, then i feel justified in finding your comments banal. giving him a sad backstory doesn't lessen the weight of his actions. you're the one who can choose whether or not to sympathize with suah based on how he was treated in his childhood. i don't need him to personally redeem himself to me, and i don't give a fuck if he's a rapist. that is my personal opinion that i am expressing. yaoi doesn't "normalize rape and abuse" because unless you fulfill niche conditions, a manhwa is incapable of reforming your morals. it's a source of entertainment and escape, and if someone chooses to portray a rapist with a sob story being forgiven with no consequences, it shouldn't have an effect on my ability to distinguish right from wrong.
i don't think you're illiterate for disliking rape in yaoi. i just think you're illiterate because your argument is framed in a way that implies i am okay with rapists and abusers outside of a manhwa, simply for liking a character within a manhwa. you can "call out" people romanticizing rape and start witch hunts all you want, but please don't misunderstand my original point. i'm calling some fans hypocrites when they act like the toxic aspects of suah's character were never there to begin with.
sure it's okay to critique but this isn't the first time a fiction has problematic tropes, problematic fiction has ALWAYS existed, you are my world doesn't have anything new covered. Again criticism is fine but y'all are lowkey don't way too much. It's almost like people here are reading problematic omegaverse fiction for the first time while is definitely not true.
Yeah no shit Sherlock. The problem is the TikTok hive mind, self–righteous policing brain rot where y’all just have to have everyone else agree with you
You just said you don't care if he's a rapist, thats not separating fiction from reality, thats you telling me that within THIS story, sexual violence is meaningless to you as a moral event. I'm not against the existence of a rapist character, what I'm calling out is the narrative framing that is literally asking us to move past or forget about his actions because he's "hot" or "sad".
I never said you personally endorse irl rape, I said the STORY romanticizes it. You're allowed to like a villain or a rapist in a story but don't pretend the narrative didn't forgive him with a sob story, its giving denial
"Always existed" is not an argument, it doesn't make critique invalid and people calling it out isn't doing too much, its just engaging with media
it's not like i ever thought of jinx as high-class literature, but this chapter is unintentionally one of the funniest things mingwa has ever put out. i very honestly didn't think we'd resort to the most melodramatic plot development that could've occured. it was just not in the books for me to assume the Big Bad Guy jaekyung would duke it out with would hire a hit on kim dan — hitman being his target's weird, creepy, former colleague. i mean, we had to get rid of him somehow hahahahaha
i'm proud of joo jaekyung. he's begun to use his face to actually emote instead of looking slightly backed up at all times. this is the part of the yaoi where the seme gets an uke-injury-induced power-up and wins the match. we learned this in seme school.
don't take this as hate lolol i enjoy jinx. i dedicate 15 minutes from three days of every month to read these chapters; i wouldn't if i disliked it. just felt the need to lighten the mood.
so like what are u implying, is that a good or a bad thing
“We learned this is seme school” lmaooo
Yeah ig something dramatic like dan being stabbed has to happen for jaekyung to break off character LOOLOLL I LOVE IT
i'm saying that this is the single most cliche thing to ever happen, and it's par for the course considering what manhwa we are reading
i like how every once in a while someone will snap out of their psychosis for long enough to type up a rant about how they're dropping this manhwa, for there are too many freaks who read and enjoy this, that the author needs their hard disk checked because there's no sane person who would come up with this story, etc, etc, etc.
and then you see these exact people ten days later, hand wrapped around their dick forming the number of people they impressed by announcing this, furiously jerking off to jiwook getting humiliated. save yourself the embarrassment and stop telling others to seek help for proudly doing what you're too scared to do. all of you have CTE
GAG
You clockedd
I dropped it long ago but came back now to see if things got better, no it's not any better, I just wanna know what happened in their past, trust me I don't think any one can goon on this shit. It left a bad taste in my mouth （/TДT)/
There are links to spoilers if you don't want to read the story. If you're interested just scroll past older posts.
Wait- do ppl actually goon to manhwa???? No way
you wrote it out so well
Yeah but not bad enough to stay away. That’s OP’s whole point. Also, Juyeon is getting revenge for Jiwook’s rape of him in high school + sending the videos to his mom.
wow, congrats. i guess there's just something about lee geumsan that puts spells on people. why would you wait for it to get better if it put a bad taste in your mouth to begin with? at least 70% of the comments here are discussing spoilers, if not yelling into the echo chamber about how gross it is for people to "good to this shit." I'm sure you can find exactly what you're looking for, but to save you some face, yes, continue to pretend you actually care about poor jiwook's safety. let's start a movement to get him out of that room!
goon*
This is actually true.. A few weeks ago I was hating on another story like this and now it’s all I can read. actual peak. I love all the abuse scenes
I love fluff, and with a sprinkle of angst ,not THIS !!! Σ( ￣□￣||) (I'm currently reading love gym if you know it )
This is some heavyyy projection. Newsflash! Some people don‘t actually enjoy watching a character be raped and abused for 50 chapters and criticize that behavior in other people, since it‘s harmful
I did lose some brain cells reading it (￣∇￣")
hate reading for more than 5 chapters is a brain disease
your comment is redundant and misses my point. if they didn't enjoy it, why are they coming back? literally someone just replied that they keep reading to see if it gets any better. but you're too busy pissing yourself in performative indignation — trying to monitor everyone else because you're discomforted by how much Reverse Thinking turns you on — that you can't even close the website. you're not being held at gunpoint to see its completion through, nor did anyone ask you to criticize the so-called harmful behavior readers are engaging in.
yet every new chapter people come to say the same thing over and over again about how they don’t like it, they obviously are interested in watching a character be raped abused for 50 chapters
LET EM GET UP LET EM GET UP
Your whole point is just „don‘t like, don‘t read“ repackaged. No, actually i‘m going to keep criticizing this type of media because it harms real people. Why would i care if any of you didn‘t ask me to criticize anything or if people are coming back to keep reading it, not being able to put it down? I‘m confused as to what you think this argument accomplishes? Yes, i’m specifically talking about the people that enjoy this and yes they can also be addicted to porn, especially adrenaline-inducing, violent content. I‘m sorry that you‘re not comfortable in genuinely engaging in constructive conversation when it‘s about your own behavior but i could not give less of a fuck. All of your comments are avoidant, try facing your abusive sexual preferences and seeking help.
And again, you‘re heavily projecting them onto others and practically obsessing over the thought of me secretly enjoying rape? Keep your fantasies to yourself please.
Personally, I read up until the first assault scene and that was enough for me to know that this manhwa is trash, a lot of people can actually look at sexual content objectively with the intention of analyzing it and without getting off on abuse material. Just because you can‘t, doesn’t mean that‘s the case for other people.
I’d recommend to look at some evidence-based research that shows how this content is damaging to survivors but then again, i don‘t think you have enough basic human decency and empathy to do even the bare minimum.
All you do is generalize and overanalyze what other people do while being too scared to participate in any kind of self-reflection and instead accuse other people of your own behavior.
lots of survivors become hypersexual due to trauma and fictional porn that imitates their rape helps them regain a feeling of control. In this manhwa specifically, it is the revenge fantasy of doing to your rapist what he did to you. I don’t have issue with women fantasizing about rape, as long as they don’t put themselves at risk irl.
evidence backed research my ass, you’re just a puritan piece of shit policing what victims like and don’t like. Yaoi’s fanbase is mostly women; who are often on the receiving end of sexual violence and abuse due to patriarchal oppression and widespread femicide. I’m sick of you people comparing heterosexual porn directed to men, who have been socialized to act on their sexual impulses; to homosexual porn directed at women, who often use it as a form of revenge against their oppressors (retaliatory, FICTIONAL sexualization,) or a way to cope with their own trauma. Sex-educated therapists have no issue with victims being into kink/dark content as long as it doesn’t become real-world harm.!
Ate x2 lol. It’s always the people with the most cognitive dissonance and the least empathy that try to accuse others of the same shit.
“Personally I read up until the first assault scene which is why I’m here 36+ chapters later acting as the unofficial hall monitor for the yaoi rape”
i'm sorry, what the fuck are you talking about? who exactly is the manhwa Reverse Thinking directly harming? you? teenagers? you're stuck in a cage of your own making and closing your eyes to the greater context of real-world social systems. Reverse Thinking is ultimately a niche piece of erotic fiction that has no effects on society. if it impacts your own headspace for whatever reason — be it hitting too close to home, said reader is an easily influenced child, or otherwise someone who has trouble differentiating between reality and fiction — i recommend... not... reading. i seriously don't know why you've taken offense to this argument.
a manhwa of this nature cannot be responsible for normalizing rape, or whatever you're trying to say. i'd like to know what abusive sexual preferences you are referring to, and how on earth that translates to my real life creed. enjoying jiwook's torture and finding it hot; isn't that the same voyeuristic pleasure a "normal person" might derive from watching slasher horror? it's all fiction, manufactured to evoke false emotions. your heart might feel like it's beating out of your chest in the duration of a 90 minute horror feature, but you're not in any physical danger. i promise you'll be okay. and i frankly don't care for your reasoning as to why people who supposedly hate this manhwa are constantly in its comments. my insinuation that they might secretly enjoy certain aspects of it was not a serious accusation on their character, so please unclench.
if you actually cared for engaging in a productive conversation with me instead of trying to inject your sanctimony where it's unwelcome, you'd come to learn that there many people who enjoy critiquing the way this novel in particular handles sexual violence and abuse cycles — but that doesn't hinder our understanding of its illicit nature. people looking for porn to get off to are the intended audience. their mind isn't functioning incorrectly, yours is. i suggest you take your own advice and look into "evidence-based research" that suggests this content has virtually no influence on the healthy adult mind, and then come back and tell me i lack empathy or self-reflection. i suppose you missed a lot of nuance in your 5 minute google journey, because your views are very rigid. for some reason, you took my comment to be a personal threat and now you feel morally compromised. stop overcompensating.
Dawg you’re emptying a clip into a COFFIN RN I’M CRYING
absolute classic lololol and they don't see any faults in this whatsoever
It’s always “porn is damaging everyone’s brain EXCEPT for mine because I’m actually holding my meat in one hand and pushing my glasses up intellectually with the other”
i'm really tired of some of the creative decisions being taken by the art direction team for ORV... maybe i'm nitpicking, maybe i'm being entitled, maybe i'm ungrateful — but it feels beyond awful to watch moments where the characters display emotional vulnerability flattened out and traded for the sake of aura farming, for lack of a better term. for this chapter, it's only a very small scene of yoo joonghyuk looking back quietly at kim dokja (who yoo sangah is supposed to be holding?? idk where he disappeared in the final page...) that's been removed, but it's not the first time something like this happens.
it can be traced back to as late as when yjh first appeared in the demon realm to bring kdj back to earth. if you go back and read that webtoon chapter, when read alongside the excerpt from the novel, it falls flat in comparison. not to even MENTION the massacre that was the end of the 10th scenario. in the webtoon, yjh looks mildly constipated but otherwise unaffected; he's thoroughly devastated at the prospect of a regression turn without kdj in the novel, very obviously grieving. shit, i'm not asking them to paste the text from the novel directly into the manhwa. i'm aware there will be details lost in the transition between mediums. i know how adaptations work. what i simply cannot wrap my mind around is pruning these scenes where either kdj or yjh are more sensitive, open, or otherwise actually expressing some form of despair, love, and deep companionship. yjh has ironically become the very trope his character is created to subvert.
actually, i know why. it's because the ORV franchise needs to be palatable shounenslop to sell, and for that to happen, there can't be anything "too woke" such as men feeling things or women being strong, big, and buff (lol, i'll never not be mad about the punisher's design). it's so fucking frustrating watching people's ideas about these characters being sculpted into something wildly OOC because the webtoon is their only source for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. for a cast so lively, for dynamics so intimate, for a relationship that the entire narrative literally revolves around, seeing them stuffed into unfeeling boxes by webtoon naver is a heartrending sight.
i generally am grateful for the manhwa. the action is beautifully illustrated and it has introduced countless audiences to ORV, for better or for worse. i just can't handle seeing my favourite story be cannibalized, milked for money, and erased of all emotional nuance. because adherence to source material is often out of the author's control, i feel that i am right in this indignation. as this adaptation grows into an unrecognizable form divorced from the original novel, it only confirms my fears that there will likely never be a faithful ORV depiction anytime soon. it is impossible in a world where franchising wins out over love for stories.
almost hilarious for a story about the pain of being misunderstood to be marred in this way.
AGREED!!!
Man, the 10th scenario hurt, not because it was sad but because it wasn't sad enough! The way YJH kept calling KDJ's name as he held onto his neck as KDJ gradually disappeared in the novel will never not break me!
I agree.. I've noticed this not just with ORV but to other manhwa as well.. the novel describes in full detail the emotions and the scene but it somehow gets downplayed in the manhwa..
Totally agreed!!
Manhwas are never able to capture the emotions well enough! Most of the time they skip the emotional part
And the punisher part i totally agree with you
Just coz he transform into women doesn't have to make him shrink shorter and thinner! He could still be buff and tall and be a women!!!
since they're coming back for eid... hmmm it's more likely than we think
AYO…
Lmao
I've seen lots of polarizing opinions on this manga in various different himejoshi spaces; it seems one either loves HDWR or hates it. I feel a little like I've missed something crucial, because I think it's Just Okay. It's not a bad manga by any means. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's an exploration of "realistic" relationships (by whatever standard you want to measure those), because melodrama still plays a big part in most of the major arcs. It's compelling, but, yk... dramatic. A raw, heavy emotion blankets the atmosphere, and yet it's not bleak or oppressive. The characters make sound, albeit frustrating, decisions while navigating their tentative relationships with one another, and they develop in meaningful directions that make for an engaging plot. With a loveable ensemble like this one, you'll find yourself relating to each woman quite a bit. I'm partial to Miwa and Tamaki. Their arc was probably my favourite because its culmination was exactly what I expected from two people with vastly different ways of giving and receiving love. Tamaki's simmering frustration for being unable to express herself to Miwa, to connect with her in a way that felt meaningful to Tamaki without performing the superficial act of sex, and eventually lashing out because of her fundamental misunderstanding of Miwa's motivations for their relationship—all of it was beautifully done. Neither of their needs were met, and they both suffered for it. Probably a highlight of the story for me.
The answer the title asks—How Do We Relationship?—is given indirectly: however you're able to, in spite of your and your partner's flaws. It's almost so perfectly imperfect that it becomes an unintentional parody of what a real life relationship is. There is no standard for realistic relationships in fiction, only that many choose to label a romance that features conflict, miscommunication, or even ends in a breakup as "realistic" because those things happen in real life. Fine, I guess, but that's not a strength of this manga. Because of HDWR's minimal reliance on external conflict, it must convince the reader to connect with these characters and their experiences within this setting, not shill you an after-image of reality. It depicts the lesbian experience in a believable way, but for some reason, that believablity doesn't extend to some of the dynamics—simply because I struggled to resonate. I wish more people sold the relatablity aspect before the "realism". Semantics, but whatever.
It took me months to actually finish. Maybe I wasn't in the right mood to read, but there were parts where the story dragged its feet and I just couldn't get myself to care in the slightest, even with all my love for the characters involved. The visuals, though sleek and expressive, were consistent and almost... safe, for a manga of this nature. Personally wish there'd been more bold visual choices (a stand out being Miwa and Tamaki's final sex scene). I'm probably nitpicking by this point, but I was a little underwhelmed, so it can't be blamed. If all you hear are raving reviews, I'd suggest managing your expectations a bit. A very solid yuri, all things said.