My point is the argument is stupid. Of course no-one would stay with anybody that would force themselves on you, beat you or hurt anyone. Love doesn’t hurt physically, emotionally or mentally that’s 101. Thats why kids under 18 shouldn’t be read adult material because you can’t differentiate between real life from fiction. Normal adults know the difference between right and wrong, and that doesn’t need to be said. got it.
People are so weird about fictional characters. Also, this is omegaverse! if you can't handle dark themes and manipulation, you shouldn't be reading omegaverse! Mmmk. Thank God authors aren’t falling for the BS
My point is the argument is stupid. Of course no-one would stay with anybody that would force themselves on you, beat you or hurt you in anyone. Love doesn’t hurt physically, emotionally or mentally that’s 101. Thats why kids under 18 shouldn’t be read adult material because you can’t differentiate between real life from fiction. Normal adults know the difference between right and wrong, and that doesn’t need to be said. got it.
I never said cartoon character. I said 2d character. And you’re using the example of kids' cartoons mind you in your previous post you were talking about how you can’t handle dark themes. People do use stories as a guideline to real life. Stories change people they have power. And a pattern I’ve noticed is that characters like Suha’s are becoming the norm. That has the power to set the social norm. I know I’m a grown woman and I know this is wrong but we know damn well there are 12 13-year-olds on this Website. And I’m not saying, toxic characters aren’t allowed to exist, but the way we protect society is by hating on them so that no one impressionable will think that their behavior is OK.
Kids have underdeveloped mind. And shouldn’t be consuming adult material because they have a hard time differentiating between positive and negative behaviors. And understanding consequences for those said actions. Now as an adult, I’m entrained by these authors stories, the messier the better (for me). You can hate on a character, but lay-off on the author. When these adult and children readers attack the author over a characters personality trait. It’s too personal and wrong. They’re just stories. The more off the wall a comic is the more entertaining. Can’t we all just it along,
Ya kids r not supposed to consume adult content but this is the internet they are gonna consume it anyway bc they curious. I personally was on here since I was 12. Im an illegal reader do u really think im going to the official site to hate on the the author? But never the less hate is a necessary part of this career especially if your gonna use “dark themes” in your story.
Literally!!! like I got into this shit when I was 11 by accident you can't stop kids from reading this and the only way those kids won't end up fucked in the brain is if they see actual criticism. I almost ended up groomed cos I was consistently consuming forceful/stalker content and that distorted my view of love, it still affects me to this day bc I had no one in real life to tell me that was wrong and every time someone in a comment section said it was wrong they'd be attacked, so naturally I thought it was okay bc the victim always ended up happy. People are so fucking stupid I swear, theyll do anything to defend their own twisted morality.
Omg,11 is way too fucking young. I started reading BL after becoming an adult. I did have other reading outlets, but I wasn’t introduced to BL until way later. What I know then and now about complexities of storytelling is way vast, Yes don’t like it, don’t read it. Dont demonize it’s either through the character, author or viewer. Don’t like the picture close the screen.
I swear readers like you are the worst kind of malicious because you’re trying to censor stories about real life abuse While enabling and defending this distorted reality were abusers and their victims live in peace and harmony together. This girl is literally sharing her story about tolerating abuse, and you say something as insensitive as close the screen. Clearly, you don’t know anything about complex storytelling. Usually, when people use dark themes as a literary device in complex storytelling, it’s for a purpose and most of these stories non con It’s just a fetish.
Clearly, you didn’t read my comment. None of the authors addressed the dark themes in a way that is constructive. You want to censor stories about real life abuse while defending and enabling this distorted reality of it. It seems the BL porn brain has gotten to you Clearly, you’re not ready for dark themes.
Bitch I was 11. At the age where kids did stupid shit and I had zero guidance. You're a fuckwad, clearly only evil people like evil shit bc to say this you have to be demented or stunted emotionally. You sound like a psychotic lunatic. You're willing to let kids end up like me bc u dislike hate comments.
reducing queer stories to just entertainment is homophonic. BL is not an inferior genre, and queer narratives deserve the same moral standards as any other love story. Just because you read BL doesn’t mean you actually respect gay love consuming something and respecting it are not the same thing. And it doesn’t matter if no one’s being harmed in real life stories like thing have an indirect negative effect. Representation has always had real world effects. In many countries were being gay is stigmatized bl is the primary reference point to what queer love looks like. When BL consistently frames abuse as romantic with a happy ending, it teaches an already marginalized community to tolerate abuse. Even straight people in open societies struggle to recognize abuse in their relationships. Now imagine how much harder that is for gay people in countries where being gay is punishable where no one talks about it openly, where there’s no education, no community, and BL is the only reference point they have. Queer people are already vulnerable. They deserve stories that reflect that responsibility. When readers criticize suha’s character, that’s not hate. That’s the accountability the author refuses to write into her own story.”
I can appreciate your point of view, that you’re just trying to protect a very vulnerable population and you believe negative content can harm this community. But is that the responsibility of an author writing and drawing fictional stories about same sex couples. That’s the responsibility of the reader, not the author. Millions of couples exist out there, and no two people are the same. I believe it is the responsibility of the reader to understand everyone is different and stereotypes are low IQ beliefs. And who says the won’t hold the character accountable. You can’t judge a work before it’s done. And then once the author believes the character was held accountable, it’s done. Thats the authors choice and we got to move on. Authors are not responsible to educate society about a vulnerable group, the reader has to educate themselves about stereotypes
I feel like You’re reading, but you’re not comprehending what I’m saying. You may live in a society where what you’re preaching is common sense but globally that is not universal. You need to think outside of yourself not everyone was brought up in the same conditions you were. I didn’t say it was the authors responsibility, but I believe the author is being irresponsible so if she doesn’t hold Suha accountable, the readers have to. “ common sense” Is not common because it’s gained through literacy and education. You’re not born with a moral compass, you learn it.
At some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions, be their own role model. Self love is a life long skill and content (books, movies, comics, plays, shows..etc) will never be a replacement for common sense. Trust that the people who matter understand and the ones that don’t never will change. Just cause you don’t agree with a story line outcome doesn’t mean it’s not a perfect story
Common sense is opinion. Humans create common sense… life has always been a butterfly effect. Do you really think you were just born with that knowledge. This “” self love that you’re preaching. Do you think you’ve learned it yourself. No someone or something influenced you and that’s how you learned. the author needs to take accountability for what she’s writing and how is can effect an already vulnerable community. And by ur lologic suha deserves the hate and that’s common sense.
Writing is an art that shows millions of life styles through storytelling. It’s not a guide line to life social cue. Watching violent content won’t influence you to be violent. This point has been debated for years, do content create monsters or awaken the monsters that already exist. I can separate the characters from the monsters and the author from their characters. It’s entertaining content just like films depicting straight couples in negative situations. It’s fiction about an omega-verse couples. It’s not a documentary or I would be taken aback.
Clearly you're not discussing to learn, but to win, because violent content does indeed desensitize people to violence and awakens dormant violent urges in violence. I saw a tiktok video of a news report where a Ukrainian reporter was saying how there were killer drones driven by Ukrainians to operate on Russians. Do you want to know what the comment were like? It was people saying they gamified it, making jokes, posting stickers and memes, saying random bullshit with no regard for the lives of the innocent that have been dragged into that war. Do you think the reaction would've been the same had violent video games not existed? Youre stupid hard headed and narrow minded. You want to indulge in your immorality and are policing other people because of it.
This is life, people don’t have to agree on ever topic to have the same goal in mind. And disagreeing with another person doesn’t mean the person is right or wrong. Content created for entertainment purposes and content created for educational purposes are two different things. I personally don’t believe violent content creates criminals or desensitize a normal balanced person. I love my freedom to choose, I believe policing content is wrong. If the content don’t fit u don’t consume it. There is shit i don’t consume, but I don’t judge others for participating in what they find interesting, If it’s not physically harmful.
We might as well start burning books. Creative writing should be celebrated and not demonized based on someone believing their way is the right way. You and I aren’t responsible for policing the world against nut jobs. We have a whole system (police, prison etc) to separate them from us. Censorship is not a good tool to prevent future criminals from rising from the shadows. So why would an author be responsible for an individual’s beliefs or behaviors, that’s unreasonable.
I don’t know if you’re dense or you’re pretending to be dumb. The phrase burning books is mainly used when referring to literature that highlights, the
Oppression of marginalized communities, blk gay trans pp ext. The same argument cannot be used to defend books that platforms criminal activity with without accountability. Herbert Spence’s social Darwinism, a book that invented eugenics, not only laid the ground work for modern racism, but also led to multiple genocides. Herbert Spencer IS partially responsible for the crimes of the nazi’s and for the way blk pp are treated globally. When he released his book it was because he didn’t receive “hate” that his rhetoric was able to spread on a mass level. By the standard, not all writing should be celebrated. Now let’s sub out eugenics for sa and sexual Concesión. If bl authors keep pumping books that platforms and excuses sa without any accountability. How would those conditions affect queer people socially. Criminals are not born they are made. Our nature is influenced by our nurture. Never once did I say the author should not be able to exercise her free will. Look back to my first comment, authors are allowed to write about crimes. But you really expect us to overlook suha’s criminal, and abusive behavior? Freedom of speech applies both ways. We are free to criticize. And I would argue You’re the one censoring real stories about abuse, enabling a distorted reality of it. Are we all supposed to love and agree with what suha has done? If you believe in egagging with a book critically is “hate” than the censorship is coming from your side. Not mine.
Of course, if an authors is using flawed material, that is obviously a lie to create educational books that supposed to tell people how a certain society operates or lives, that’s propaganda. And then use that as a descriptive tool for a specific guideline of whoever, whether that’s women, people of color, gender, sexuality etc. of course. that’s bullshit and shouldn’t be believed. “You Are My World” Is a made up fictional comic, a world of second genders that allows males to get other males pregnant. And they’re controlled by pheromones. So why would, Suha be “punished” or held responsible in a world not conditioned like our. Duh, dude. This has no relationship to any community, but omega-verse society. You can’t make a round piece fit in a square hole. You guys agreement is senseless.
The fact that suha is not punished is a clear reflection of the real world. Omegas are often described as feminine and in the omega verse are oppressed and looked down upon. A reflection women’s position in Society today. Why should suha be punished? Why should a abuser be punished? Why should the people on Epstein Island be punished? Why should Diddy he be punished? Suha not being punished reflects how women have been treated through history, even today only a small member of women actually get justice from their abusers. So your argument about round and square holes make no sense.we can see how the omega verse is influenced and modeled by real life. It’s not even an argument that you can make. It’s just pure fact. We can even see it in the plot because contrary to your belief people don’t exist in a vacuum and society immediate does influence, personal choice.and you still have not addressed why you want to sensor real stories about abuse. If people who have been in real abusive relationships, want to critically engage with the the authors work. What is wrong with that? Not all feed it back has to be positive. Even some of the greatest writers received unimaginable amounts of hate. What makes you think bl authors should be exempt from that same standard? Highlighting that you don’t respect queer are in literature. You said it yourself stories like this are “JUST ENTERTAINMENT”.
I’ve been reading BL for 16 years. And there’s no other way to describe it, but as a comic “entertainment.” I believe I was clear on the censorship thing, readers need to take their opinionated selves out of the author’s comment sections and social media sites, telling them what they should, and shouldn’t do with a character, that’s censorship. Criminal cases in the real world are not the same, even if it has similar societal tendencies, doesn’t make it criminal in their world. So, an author is not responsible for a fan or readers interpretation of their work, they can’t police everyone’s lives, ensuring everyone is living the healthiest version of themselves. If anything, it’s self love and dedication. Self love like Juhyeok, despite being an Omega, the author shows how passionate he is about his dream constantly striving to break gender stereotypes. The author should be celebrated for that, but it’s never enough. I’m just trying to celebrate the creation and not criticizing every chapter, no story is perfect.
Like I said criticism in a comment section is not censorship. censorship requires authority and force. Readers responding to published work is literally just how art has always functioned. If anything, telling readers their opinions don’t belong in public spaces is closer to silencing than anything we’re doing. She’s conflating two different things. The argument isn’t the author police in peoples lives. I’m talking about the butterfly effect.The argument is that the author is responsible for how she frames abuse within the story itself. Framing abuse as romantic with a happy ending is a writing choice that choice has consequences regardless of intent.Yes, Juhyeok’s ambition is a positive portrayal genuinely. But just cause you have one progressive element doesn’t excuse glorifying grape and abuse. one progressive element doesn’t cancel a harmful one. A story can do something right and something damaging at the same time, and both deserve to be talked about. like I said engaging critically. Yes no story is perfect’ , but this isn’t about perfection it’s about one specific pattern of abuse being consistently romanticized with no accountability. That’s not a minor flaw, that’s the emotional core of the story being built on something harmful. I don’t think anyone needs to shut up, regardless of the fact that we disagree, the fact that we are having this conversation is groundbreaking. Books are made to be discussed and talked about not just in a positive way but also a critical one.
Yes, if we’re going to criticize someones work, I think we need to be genuine and not just hate vomit because you dislike one particular moment, or the storyline the author took. But I think being a true so-called “ critic,” readers should be painting, a full view of the artists work, that’s fair. There are stories out there that don’t have “sexual abuse.” I disagree with the notion that these characters don’t have any repercussions for their actions. I believe they’re displayed in different ways. We’re watching the comic through the artist’s lens of a different society with different cultures and different expectations. And in this society, because of the second genders and pheromones those kinds of actions are acceptable in some omegaverse comics.
Tell me what hate vomit sounds like to you. because in my opinion, hate vomit would be comments directed towards the author calling her names ext. most of the comments are directed towards suha, They criticize his behavior and how it effects the plot. I never said the characters were not allowed to be displayed in different ways. The whole point of a story is to have complex characters. If all the characters were the same, the story would be boring. My issue is filtering out the negative opinions of abusive behavior will normalize That behavior, and considering these are queer stories that will negatively impact queer people the. Not to mention the severity of the topic that we’re talking about you have to expect there to be some discourse. That would be like bringing Trump up as a social conversation and not expecting polarizing opinions. Writing about abuse and sa in a story There’s gonna be some discourse it comes with the territory. Now, if I were to give my opinion, I don’t think the author knew she was writing sa and abuse. In South Korea, a lot of these behaviors are normalized and romanticized.The author probably thought suha’s Cohesive behavior was cute. She’s clearly out of her depth, here morally, and literally.
And, that’s the beauty of being an author. As a reader u get to experience different cultures, different expectations and different societal norms. And this is what I’m talking about, now the authors moralities are being judged thru their character structure. Suha, character as an alpha is pretty tamed, compared to other omegaverse stories. Suha could’ve marked Juhyeok and impregnated him, but he didn’t.
Todays world, apparently everything polarizing, listening and comprehending is a lost skill. Some Americans can be pretty self-righteous and entitled when it comes to cultural shaming. From what I read about the Korean justice system, sexual assault offenders are heavily prosecuted, unlike the laws in America. In real life, I would be the first one wanting to sentence a motherfucker to death for hurting anybody in any-type of matter, but I don’t feel the same way in literature, when it’s a fictional story.
I’m a black American, there’s tons of stories about black people, covering all aspects of the black community, fiction and nonfiction. One black person perspective can be totally different from another black person perspective, based on environment, education, culture etc…just because we’re black, doesn’t mean we’re the same. If someone believes that all black people act that way, because of content they were exposed to then they’re fucking dumb and I don’t wanna be around them anyway. But I do extend that courtesy to other communities I don’t believe everything I read, be it fiction or nonfiction I don’t generalize a group of people.
Absolutely zero rape. And I’ve been here since the beginning. You don’t have to like a character but don’t gaslight people to frame a fictional narrative. JJ and KD are consensual adults. KD wasn’t forced to accept the deal and lied about his “experience” so he could “work” with JJ.
My 2 cents (no offense to anyone):
Consensual is when even in the middle of the act, if one partner feels like they need the other to stop, they can voice this without fear.
It may not even be the fear that the other partner may physically abuse them, but even bite-sized episodes of emotional abuse like gaslighting them into thinking that asking to stop is their fault.
None of the people in a consensual relationship/ contract should be entitled to the act.
And honestly, in general how is it right for one person to treat a (paid) partner/s*x worker like they own them just coz they paid up?
Alas it's a fictional made up scenario but a lot of people face this at the hands of their partner irl and stay in these situations because of financial issues.
Are you for real?!
Are you aware that such 'agreements' in general have nothing to do with a consent?
And even if, 'consent' can be withdraw, and Dan was saying stop many times!
And 'experience' has nothing to do with it!! You think that you cannot rape someone who already had sex?! There is no excuse for that JK did! What JK was doing to him is damn rape, multiple times!
You can like JK, your deal, but saying he's not an abuser and rapist is not right!
JK needs to do much more for redemption
I agree with the KD consenting with the agreement, but how is JJ a red flag when he’s just consenting with an agreement and didn’t know KD’s backstory. JJ has an aggressive attitude, but he’s not out there purposely hurting people. From JJ prospective KD’s is a pro at this kind of agreement. You-all need to put some respect on JJ name
Ok ok. I love Jinx, and I don’t loathe jaekyung (esp now) and i agree that there is a blurry line because kim dan consented to a contract but there were still multiple times JJK raped KD (outside and inside the contract) mentally & physically abused him and was just generally a douchebag. so he’s definitely a red flag





I don’t think this decision was fair. It’s censorship. You allow the money and viewership to sink or swim an authors work. And, to frame it as racism is a bit of a stretch. It wasn’t interesting to me, but who am I to judge another individual interests. So…you cancel this one what’s next.
what censorship?
the market spoke up, gave feedback, and rejected the product, so the producer pulled it from the marketplace because they want to continue making money.
the people who were concerned based on what was shown in that one chapter explained the potential for this to go wrong(er than just its conception in the first place) in multiple ways and brought it up to the creator and platform. and evidently the creator recognized the limitations to their preparedness and/or ability to execute the story in a way that satisfactorily addressed those concerns, and discontinued the series.
and that's not a bad thing!
i have said in other replies that i don't think the topic of war, post-war conditions, slavery, and all sorts of sensitive topics are untouchable in fiction. but that doesn't mean that anyone can do anything any which way they want without reaction or criticism.
ideally, someone who has done the research, is aware of the racial dynamics, and has the skills for it could pull off a story in this setting. i think it would have to depart from many typical BL conventions to be good and worth doing, though.
people can and should be free to create whatever they want, but that doesn't make it free from criticism or pushback from other people, especially when the profit motive is involved. why should anyone be able to make stories based on painful real life history and make money off of it without any feedback or response?
the creator and the publisher sought to make money off this series, and it was feedback from potential customers that indicated that there would be problems monetizing a series like this. if this story was something the creator felt passionate about the world seeing, they could release it for free. otherwise, they currently have an opportunity to rework it/do something new, and make a better release.
I believe it was censored, Where does it stop? Next it’s Jinx, or whatever the next unpopular storyline is today. It’s your right to judge the work, but canceling it because you don’t care for the storyline is a slippery slope. Just don’t read it, but if the author made the decision based on their own opinion, then that’s her choice. We have to be care, with great power comes great responsibility.
you're going to use a popular even with the hate 100 chapter manhwa that only recently finished with side stories on the way as your example of a work under threat of cancellation due to negative opinions? not even going to try to define what counts as censorship? invoking the slippery slope fallacy like this? so unserious...
There are several examples of hated characters or storylines. We’ll have to agree to disagree. And I’m very serious.
and nothing has been cancelled or discontinued as a result. the presence of hate or criticism by itself has not endangered or ceased the publication of any of those stories.
if you're serious about protecting series from backlash like this, you'd better get to work on efforts to dismantle capitalism, because the major factor deciding whether or not things get censored and pulled from the market is their impact on the producer's ability to profit from them. money talks.
We’ll see won’t we