Honestly not a fan of the rather uninspired world, but the slow-burn is burning and I love some younger ML only having eyes for his hyung~ Glad I picked it up after the latest chapter.
these have to be the cutest drawn dicks I've ever seen, they look so squishy and pink and perfect
I'm sorry y'all but except for the side couple, the whole story reads like a 2000s cliché yaoi written by a teenager
Maybe because it was written years ago idk just a thought lmfao.
Nah, it was released from 2017-2020 and borrowed tropes and story telling from waaaay earlier than that (think Aitsu no daihonmei or Totally Captivated). It baffles be this ever got that popular in the first place.
I'm glad the author actually took responsibility and cancelled the project, but how could this even be published in the first place? Does that mean not a single person around her noticed how bad it was? Not even a little? There must've been several people involved.. that's so concerning.....
typical asians
typical hypocrite
yeah cuz yall take everything so personally it’s not that deep cuz
"it's not that deep," yeah, amazing argument. That's the most shallow and simple-minded thing you can say to anything, so it means absolutely nothing...
explain how it’s that deep then when the author isnt undermining slavery or anyone who’s suffered through it, and when there are hundreds of movies out there that depict slavery
If you're actually interested, read the top comment in this thread for a general answer... there's also a few more here going into detail why it's so racist (and this doesn't excuse previous racist works, it just means you are uninformed or got desensitized)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhwa_BL/s/2bUvIDhdoh
so just drawing assumptions based on an unfinished story? ok cool
Ok cool should've guessed you just don't wanna use your brain at all.
Please please guys, I need this author to draw at least 10 more manhwa, please support them by buying the official translation on Tppytoon, it's pretty cheap!!♡
Thank you for reminding me and everyone! Unfortunately my country's currency was weak as hell. Like just 1 usd can by 2 dinners/2 lunches. I'll buy them when I earn money in USD
I haven't thought about terrible conversion rates like yours. We obviously shouldn't take reading for free for granted, but I completely understand why you can't buy them.
Hope you'll make lots of cash one day haha ♡
Two things. First off, everyone is saying how sensual and real the sex scenes feel, but I'm just getting distracted by Yoonsung's gigantic dick (it's at least three times bigger/thicker than Ha-kyung's...), and there's basically no prep and no lube (if anything, just a little cum lol). What a shame, some panels are very beautiful and sensual indeed, so why destroy it through heteronormative yaoi clichés? It wanted to be something different, but it couldn't commit, that's why I'm disappointed despite the story not being bad.
Secondly, I had trouble buying the whole "pretending to be a girl" plot line. While it was at least revealed that Yoonsung figured out he wasn't after a while, it still took him weirdly long (despite him being a little sus from the beginning. Maybe he didn't want it to be true, but it's not really portrayed that way). The grandpa also never noticed? Ha-kyung only wore a wig over his normal hair, not to mention how hard it would be for him to keep changing his voice (how many people can even convincingly do that?). His shoulders, his hair... hm. Also, the accidents were a little too convenient. One would've been fine, but three...
Woo daddy totally forgot to factor the ♡power of love♡ into that dumb proposal ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ
Why were so many people going around writing this is about two green flags with mental health problems and a lot of angst?? Where's the green? The bottom raped the top in chapter 60.... I liked the first season, and I kinda liked their dynamic so far, but where's Seo-an's social anxiety in season 2? Why does he suddenly get so obsessive and controlling? I can smell the miscommunication and further toxicity coming. Don't know if I will continue this. Such a shame.
Ngl this manhwa is definitely not a wholesome fairytale world, and the MCs aren't 100% green flags like angels straight out of a fairytale either. But I’d still consider them green flags overall because… they’re just normal people. They go through trauma, mental health issues, stress, and all kinds of ups and downs, just like real people do. They’re not serial killers, drug addicts, gang members, or abusers. They’re ordinary people dealing with life, which automatically puts them on the green flag side.
Also, where tf did the bottom sexually assault the top in ch60? Bestie, I know manhwas these days are full of SA and we all know "no means no"... but that doesn't mean what happened between them here was rape! The top didn't even mind having sex, he was hesitant because of what happened before, and he was worried the bottom might still be acting impulsively or out of anger... he wasn't literally rejecting the sex to the point where you can brand it as rape.
SA is already a huge issue in manhwas, and it absolutely deserves to be called out when it happens, but we also need to stop labeling every single moment of hesitation or "stop" in a relationship as sexual assault.
Look, I'm definitely not against any of those portrayals in fiction, I'm totally fine with toxicity as long as it's advertised as such, but I went into this story after reading they're green, which even you agree they're not a 100% (and I argue Seo-an isn't at all). Being that controlling, going through your partner's phone, thinking about how you want to claim them instead of wanting the best for them isn't wholesome or green. I don't mind him starting out like this and/or changing and becoming a better person, but he didn't start out like this and I, personally, draw the line at unnecessary rape.
Don't talk me down like that, I wasn't personally attacking you or anyone else. Again, this scene is totally fine im fiction as long as people call it what it is—rape. I also don't believe Seo-an's completely irredeemable, but I really didn't except a scene like that after several comments and him behaving differently in season 1.
Woo-won said "stop," "wait" etc. several times until he finally yells "that's enough" and forcibly pins Seo-an down. How is that not assault? Because he got a boner? Because he tried to enjoy it in between? He also said it hurts (for the first time!) and that he doesn't want to hurt Seo-an, but Seo-an totally dismissed him, asking him several times if "this is what he wants" and not receiving a reply! If your friend tells you this happens to them irl, even stating that they knew the other person did it out of anger, would you say "that happens sometimes, I know you were just hesitant."
??
This is nothing like a bashful "stop" where both partners know it's not serious... Seo-an even acknowledges it as rape. In chapter 62, he says "I forced you last night. I'm sorry." Woo-won doesn't deny it, instead asking "you're sorry? ... then can you do me a favor?" So he feels the same, but accepts the apology. Don't know why we need to argue about this just because there are many worse examples in BL.
Look, I’m honestly not saying Seo-an is some perfect, supportive partner who handles everything in a healthy way to help his man. But reducing his whole role to just being a bad partner is unfair too! Yeah, he’s possessive, and I didn't like it either when he swiped Woo-won’s phone behind his back to check fan messages (after some random girl encounter). But on the flip side, he helped him through so many of his crises. He tried over and over to help him move forward in life, find better job opportunities, and lighten the load on his mind and heart. He tried to give him space to think about his future independently while still helping him out with suggestions and dropping solid job opportunities that suited him. Plus, he’s a super good listener!
Bestie, every partner has flaws…the point is just that those flaws shouldn't be completely toxic. And at the end of the day, do the red flags outweigh the green flags, or vice versa? Seo-an’s pros definitely outweigh his cons (that might just be my personal take and people might disagree, but it seems like that's how the MC sees it too).
Also, I have no clue how I gave off the vibe that I was talking down to you? Was it because I said "tf"? We’re just discussing things, not trying to start drama, and I'm really sorry if that's how it came across!
As for the SA point, I also apologize I honestly might have completely forgotten that scene, and what you said is refreshing my memory. Even so, idk if this can really be labeled as sexual assault in the usual sense? Like, their relationship is built on love, consent, and physical and emotional attraction... Woo-won might not have been fully comfortable and maybe wanted to stop, so it happened impulsively and with less enjoyment, but it's more like what Seo-an said: "SORRY I FORCED YOU," not "SORRY I RAPED YOU." And don't get me wrong, I’m not saying that being attracted to your partner erases the fact that forcing them is actual rape in certain specific cases—marital rape is literally a real crime... but I hope you get what I mean. He just wasn't in a comfortable headspace (he wasn't in the mood), rather than being forced in a criminal sense. Still, I could be totally wrong and I apologize for not grasping it deeply enough. Maybe the flaw is just in my perspective, and I truly hope no one ever goes through that.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!
I get what you're saying, and I also like flawed characters. I just didn't like the way the story developed his character, sidelining his social anxiety to show his other flaws that weren't introduced believably to me. It's totally fine if you like the story and see it differently, but I'm disappointed how everything turned out, and I don't think sexual assault falls under "every partner has flaws." To be fair, I empathize with Woo-won and while I don't want to read about prolonged miscommunication between them, I really do understand where he is coming from (as opposed to Seo-an). Woo-won always felt like he had to shoulder every burden for his mother, so obviously he doesn't just communicate openly and tries so hard to appear capable and unaffected by his trauma in front of Seo-an. The story really isn't bad, just does a better job at characterizing Woo-won than Seo-an imo, maybe bc of the whole "bottom is the more proactive and dominating" thing that isn't common in BLs.
No, I meant the "bestie" thing.
Yeah, I get how you don't remember the scene that well. I kinda do that in stories I love as well, it's easy to glaze over actions of characters we like. However, "forcing" is a common established euphemism for rape and sexual assault, so no wonder Seo-an uses that wording... doesn't dismiss the fact Woo-won acknowledges it in his response. You raise some points that make me see you wouldn't excuse this irl, so that's good lol, yet it stays rape anyways, super violent or not—the whole point of Woo-won letting it happen in a way is precisely because he loves Seo-an! It's fine if you argued Seo-an makes up for it (which I don't think would be possible, but it's not my relationship), or that Woo-won can excuse it, or whatever... but again, we already established that he/they're flawed, and I never said Seo-an is a pure red flag, just that he isn't green. It's a spectrum. That's all.
I totally get where you’re coming from, and I actually appreciate your perspective. I don’t think we’re really disagreeing on what happened as much as we’re interpreting the characters differently.
I never meant to imply that sexual assault is just another relationship flaw or that it should be brushed aside. If that came across in my comment, that’s on me. I was only trying to explain why I personally struggled to categorize that scene the same way while reading it, not because I think it would be acceptable in real life.
My main point has always been that I see Seo-an as a deeply flawed but ultimately human character rather than someone who’s purely defined by his worst actions. That’s why I still lean more toward calling him a “green flag with serious flaws” than a red flag, even if I completely understand why someone else would disagree.
And honestly, I agree that Woo-won was the better-written character. His trauma, motivations, and emotional struggles felt much more fleshed out. I don’t agree that Seo-an’s writing was bad I think it was more inconsistent than I expected.
So yeah, I don’t think we’ll fully agree on Seo-an, but I definitely understand why that scene changed your entire perception of him.
Thank you a lot for your time and energy
Thank you too! I'm glad we could have this conversation. I wasn't trying to spoil your enjoyment of the story.
it’s totally fine