I feel like the prince grew up to be kinda of a dick. Nothing charming about him. He should have level up his personality instead swordsmanship skills.
glad im not the only one to think he was lowkey a dickhead
Why this is so high rated? Why people say this is GREEN FLAG? That is a lie.
Not only that the official translation is garbage to read, giving a person headache (or was the original that badly written?)... The whole thing gives you anxiety... Forced to live with your stalker that is just blackmailing and sexually abusing you from the start?
Have people gotten so use to rape that this is somehow romantic to them?
How this is supposed to be good?
I would be more OK if this was some mafia etc. thing, because that is what you expect from those kinda stories, but this didn't sell itself as something like that.
OH MY GOD somone who understand!! I'm like u, I d'ont understand why people find it green flag or cute or anything, even when you know what appened...LIKE U SAID if it was mafia or something like that but nooooo... I'm trying to finish it to see what people find it good but goddammit it's difficult... (sorry for my bad english)
Most people downvoted my comment. Seriously I'm worried about people thinking this is green flag and hate me for pointing out it's not green flag. Far from it.
This is not green flag in fiction or IRL. I hope their lives are okay if they seriously believe that kinda behavior is green.
I think this series is cursed... So many translators and now upload problems even before this has reached 20 chapters?
I'm not usually superstitious, but this seems like some kinda message. xD
I guess the common curse of twinkifying uke when he is getting fucked wasn't enough.
So hounds are quite literal then? Everyone is just dogs to him? It's not a partial metaphor. Was I just overthinking?
Weird how all of them are in the main title like that, like the hounds are the main characters... Unless the ending game really is the take-over and Guwon's doom.
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And I still think the whole "safe" place in this world is pointless endeavor, because of lack of any type of army or medical facilities etc... Everyone seems to be already carrying the virus what ever.
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It's still hard to imagine much of an ending to this series. At least happy ending feels impossible. It could be that the whole thing just keeps going like Sisyphus at the end, and we will never get an actual end.
Maybe Guwon is repeating this same story and situation, with small changes, and Teach is a big change that never happened before? Or Guwon didn't let it happen before but this time he does? And then it starts over again.
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I might be overthinking again.
This is back and they didn't change the artist? Rare artist survived Korean companies black flag work environment? They didn't kill this one? Is this miracle? O_O
What is their age cap?
Do they live as long as IRL humans or longer?
Because feels like MC hasn't aged at all and was born like that, with the scar in his face. He keeps looking around 30s.
The time stamps were not given but as I'm guessing, ml was about 12-5 when they
when they first met tei was in his 20s, so now after 10 years I'm guessing ml is early 20 and tei is late 30s
I think we did get quite a lot of info from first two chapters, unless I'm totally wrong:
The knight was ordinally a man/boy whore or something similar... He raised from the bottom to be loyal knight to the king. He really doesn't have any society or nobility level of power, either he is originally from fallen house or basic commoner. Maybe a bastard, but I doubt that, because even bastards often have some status power.
This is me partially guessing from the hints we get only in two chapters. The MC is barely a knight, at least non-noble one and can't actually fight against anyone without backing of a royal or noble - despite his higher rank in an army. It doesn't matter if you are strong knight if you can't hit anyone.
He was tricked by the Duke to be part of rebellion, thinking that Duke has his backing. But he and his men were just scapegoats. And the prince who was sent as a hostage in a another country is disappointed, because he was ready to do the rebellion himself.
I'm not sure how the dead Duke's son knows so well about MCs past (what I suspect is MC being a boy whore etc.)... Maybe Duke family sponsored him so he could get into training to be knight? That would make sense why MC trusted to rebel with the Duke, not just what MC has to do because order of the king.
Personally I'm a bit annoyed that prince didn't come earlier to save also MC's subordinates... But I think this is partly for MC to feel more guilty, but it might also be something that prince did, so MC always remember what will happen if he rebels or similar to that... I think this whole story going to be full of red and black flag that fit to the dark art.
Its definitely got the feel of that he is going to be emotionally and mentally used and abused for his previous actions and his consequences.
Ie...killing the king and essentially his men.
It kind of seems like a mix of Roses and Champagne with YUWU.
In which MC held a title that got him to fall in an unfit manner to the lowest of the low to meeting a black flag ML who will use him...and while not love him...definitely perhaps become possessive and sadistic over him.
It gonna be a hell of an angsty ride....
Come on... It not even close to Roses and Champagne. Nobody beat Lee won as an uke, too bad he ended up in that kinda world - but I said this in b2to before... Lee won is the only one who can even come close to handling Caesar so he had to be sacrificed for that job.
Once I saw the mountain pen and said to myself, please do it, and Lee Won did it. I didn't care about black flags around him, I was there just for him.
Maybe this is going to be closer to Legs that won't walk if the ML is black flag? Lee Won was just a lawyer anyway... In Legs that won't walk, MC had an actual title as a poor fighter until he couldn't fight and everyone used him, this seems to be more like that - but medieval version.
...did you fully read C&R ? Lol
Ceaser isnt a black flag for no reason my dude XD its not he like he was so nice and sweet to Leeewon in bed let alone in parts of his life outside of a bedroom...
(Man's literally shot him, and then raped him for days...and it proceeded to drug him and again...rape him...) does this not count as beating!? XD wtf!?
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What? I never said Caesar wasn't a black flag? What conversation you're having? Because it doesn't seem to be answer to my reply at all... Like you didn't actual read my reply and started just answering something. It's so disconnected from everything what I said.
Everyone is just mad.
At this point I don't see how the people in the whole community are any different from the ones with that random disease? All have some mental problems, it seems to show more outside in people who also got(?) physically stronger - but not like any of the "normal" people seem to be sane either.
And maybe that is the point. Everyone is already sick, going crazy, and it's pointless like the Sisyphus bolder. All of them are crazy hounds.
(Sidenote: It's really hard to imagine any satisfying ending for this story how it's right now, and I start to suspect that is also the point.)
Do we actually need that long of a backstory what happened?
It could have been done much shorter, and we still have felt the impact, and got enough info. There already have been some hints about MC so we don't really need it to be this long.
Or is this just another trick for Korean companies to sell more chapters? Usually dragging happens more in popular Josei stories, while BL stories just drag smut so much that even many of the horny people start to get bored.
ugh honestly i think ur right abt it being a money thing...
It's SAMK who is overrated so they have to milk it.
Of course part of the worse writing in SAMK's work could be that publisher said it needs to be different - or manhwas especially started milking it, so they changed stuff in many stories. But overall they basically have only one fully well written story, other ones just have some good parts.
Oooh, disagree! I thought Regas (the novel) was fairly well written, all loose ends closed and the MC was an active participant in the final arc. Payback (the novel) I found even better than the manhwa, as well! Which of their stories did you consider the good one? I will say, I think the romance in SamK novels is one of the weaker parts. I like the story and characters more than the coupling.
Chepali on the other hand, that’s someone who can’t get to the point! If it’s a chepali work I’m running in the opposite direction
Payback was the good one that had keep the constant tone of MC's mindset and never sure will he end up killing himself.
At the end ML's behavior fall from the cliff a bit too much and didn't make sense even in any madness, but it was a small thing and no story is perfect. It was well done that author could keep the mental tone and tension for so long.
Of course, it helped that main characters didn't constantly fuck like rabbits in the heat and there was actually mostly smut that was meaningful for the plot.
Many other SAMK stories just have well written moments, but are all over the places. Or take too long with something so you kinda get bored, and it doesn't feel that interesting anymore.
I haven't read Chepali too much, but overall Moscareto to me have more balanced and good stories (not all of them) than SAMK. It feels like SAMK is trying to go for epic, but misses way more than hits while Moscareto doesn't try too hard.
But honestly I haven't read everything, and something I have read as novel and some just as manhwa - and like I said, manhwa might change the original a lot depending on the publisher - so I don't have perfect information of everything.
Just to me, for a while, SAMK name brand carries more of the good ratings than actually many of the ratings being realistic. And I'm saying this while to me many of SAMK's ideas are more interesting to me than Moscaretos - but the ideas or more interesting genre doesn't always be same as better writing.
Mostly this is just opinion from limited materials... I read so much, like every day at least 4 hours, sometimes 8 hours a day or more time spend on comics and web novels that I don't have time to look everything made by one person. My reading lists what I have read and reading hit hundreds while ago and what is waiting to be read is thousands - so I can't get stuck too long. Or idolize one person when there are so many good ones.
Fair warning. The ending of this manhwa isn't satisfying. It just ends. After all the heartbreak, emotions and build up.
Not cancelled and I don't think it was rushed either, it just felt like that they didn't bother with explaining the ending at all. Manhwa just didn't feel like it wanted to.
I haven't heard anything about side stories etc. happening. Does anyone know if there will be side stories filling up/explaining the main end that wasn't that good?
I'm not going to spoil specifics, and also I have no idea does the novel have similarly flopped ending, I have heard that it might have. The manhwa ending might even be kinda happier, but I don't know anything other than rumors about the novel... I only know how the manhwa main story ends.
Can you pls specify I need a heads up if I’m gonna cry
Are you going to cry?
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Yes. I'm not much of a crier, but I did felt sad despite already accurately guessing how everything is going to go. I still felt it.
But that made the actual ending even worse afterward, because it was barely written when all other stuff was done well, pulling readers emotions. (Maybe there will be side stories that fix it?)
I read from spoilers a while ago so im not sure how true it is but i heard
that mc sacrificed himself and went back to his world when he died and ml then followed mc and gave him the ring so that mc can command him
Really? He did? That is from the novel, right? Because manhwa ending wasn't even that.
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Manhwa seemed way too ambiguous and unsatisfying, just skipping to the end without really explaining anything, and I wasn't even sure who remember and what. I didn't even notice the ring, there were only flowers, I think. It was seriously really badly written ending, that is why i hope there are actual side stories that write the ending timeline.
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MC did the first sacrifice, but ML kinda did second just to follow MC or something... So I think they both died? Right after each other when they used their skills where price was dead. But that might have been a bit different what I heard from the novel and manhwa translation what I read wasn't the best.
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I think someone said that novel's ending was that ML went looking for MC but never find him again. That the novel ending is even more grim than badly written manhwa ending, but the person who said that might have wrong info. I haven't read the novel.
I read the novel a few days ago, the ending (SPOILERS!!!!).....
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the ending seriously sucked, in the end Mc sacrificed himself for everyone, using a skill that kills the boss in exchange for his life. Everyone was devastated, they finished the dungeon carrying out mc's body, in the end they asked for ML to do something. Ml wasn't sure if Mc would still be there in the other life, but apparently due to Mc killing the final boss the system was trying to recognize him in the other timelines too, however it took a while so ML just kept going back in time. The system eventually finished rebooting, and Ml met Mc to the time when he just woke up at a random house, but this time instead of getting kidnapped, Ml knocked on the house with a bouquet in hand and upon seeing the confused MC, and he basically said, Hi, I believe you that you're not from this world so how about we talk for a while.
Wait I kind of like this ending!
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It wasn't this well explained in manhwa. It was so confusing in the manhwa because first MC was clearly remembering everything when returning to original world then randomly met ML as company boss who didn't know MC at all...
Then there was just a skip of ML coming randomly into MC's home with the flowers. The timelines and where wasn't explained at all. But this makes me think it's similar to the game SOMA, copy of your keeps living: Which one of you is the real one?
This time in different timelines, and almost all of them missing each others - only one person remembering everything, to other it never happened.
Also... I think your version about _the ring_ would have been a bit more meaningful and better. The ending was already kinda bleak if you think it any deeper, but manhwa butchered it. That sure isn't solution for the ending, even if it's unpopular ending.
It's not worse type of ending, and I get it that something like this is hard to end perfectly... But I also get why people didn't like it and found it unsatisfying.
And I'm a person that usually like more ugly realistic endings or endings that stay a bit open/ambiguous - but there is an art writing even that type of ending well.