luvfromery's Topics (119)

I was speculating they are. Wooju’s parents look a lot like him. Or the relative from a few chapters before. Professor also mentioned he had a younger sibling as well

i think he is. the time lines and everything match up and this guy looks a lot like jaeyi too. u can see his natural black hair a bit so he prob just dyed it blonde

i genuienly don’t see the resemblence of this guy and ideum’s first crush but he still talks like he knew ideum intimately and even got his name withoutn ideum introduce himself so i don’t think his only role is being jaeyi’s brother as well

The timelines don’t match up Ideum is older than him (unless he was held back a few years because of his surgery but idk)

i’m not saying jaeyi is ideum’s first crush cuz then yes the timelines don’t match. i’m referring to this new guy being jaeyi’s older brother. the timelines for those 2 match up and this new guy is a celebrity swimmer like jaeyi’s older brother is known to be. weather this guy is the one form ideum’s high school isn’t confirmed yet but i think it’s highly likely to be going in that direction. anyways i think he mighta just dyed his hair

Nobody is saying the ML suddenly needs to become a fucking green flag They’re saying he should actually face consequences for the shit he did. How the fuck is that “pushing green-flag morals” onto the story?

And “you knew it was toxic from the start” is such a lazy-ass argument. Yeah, we knew it was toxic. That doesn’t mean we have to shut the fuck up and pretend every shitty action is automatically good writing. You can enjoy a red-flag story and still criticize how the author handles the characters.

And if you’re only looking at the angst and toxic scenes, of course you’re going to miss the context we’ve been given about his issues, attachment problems, and need to feel wanted. How the fuck are people supposed to understand any of that if they’re just supposed to ignore everything except the angst?

Nobody is asking for a healthy couple. They’re asking the ML to get some fucking consequences for what he did. Those are two completely different things.

but this story never focused on that or gave you reassure for that. what i meant by this moral code is exactly this one-sided expections. you are giving your expections to wrong content so it’s exhausting for both sides. this story is not build for “you can do better than this,” but two guys who are unhealthily dependent to eachother. we all know ml is toxic, mc is aware of this too but he is taking easy on him because he is dear to him. more than once he accepted his toxic side and endured it. this is not ideal in real life, yes but that’s why it’s fiction and you are free to what do you want to read. you are looking for genuine love, builds on trust and devolopment and there are plenty of stories out there like that and i can recomned you plenty. but for this one you are in wrong place and wrong audience. complaining because story and couple’s dynamic’s not going to your liking is egoistic. the author doesn't have to please everyone; they write as they wish, and you choose according to your own preferences.

I’m not expecting this story to suddenly become “you can do better” or turn their relationship into some healthy, wholesome romance. I know the story is about two people who are unhealthily dependent on each other, and I’m fully aware that ML is toxic. Being fiction doesn’t automatically make every criticism of the dynamic invalid. I’m criticizing what the story chooses to portray and how it portrays it, not demanding that the author rewrite the entire fucking story according to my preferences.

And saying I’m being “egoistic” because I’m criticizing a story is even more ridiculous. If an author publishes a story publicly, they are putting that work out for an audience. Whether they write it for money, for readers, or simply because they wanted to create it, once it’s publicly published, people are allowed to have opinions about it. The author has every right to write whatever the hell they want, but readers also have every right to criticize whatever the hell they want. If they genuinely wanted to make something solely for themselves with zero outside opinions, they could keep it private. Publishing it publicly means opening it up to praise, criticism, disagreement, interpretation, etc.

And the whole “wrong audience” argument is ridiculous. Readers are allowed to dislike specific aspects of a story while still understanding exactly what the story is trying to do. Nobody is asking the author to suddenly give them a healthy romance built on trust and development. I can understand that these two are toxic and codependent and still think certain parts of their dynamic are frustrating or poorly handled. “It’s fiction” is not some magical shield against criticism, and criticizing something doesn't mean I’m demanding it cater to me.

So if you enjoy their toxic dependency and think the story handles it well, great, enjoy it. But don't call someone “egoistic” simply because they don't like the way the story portrays it. You are allowed to enjoy the story on the author’s terms, and I’m allowed to criticize it on mine. The author can write whatever they want, and I can say whatever the fuck I want about that publicly released work. Those things can coexist without you needing to police what criticism is supposedly acceptable.

Also, let’s not pretend authors and story/plot writers are completely disconnected from their audience. Obviously, some creators write purely for themselves, and that’s completely valid. They can create whatever the fuck they want. But when a story is being commercially published, especially for profit, the audience is obviously a huge part of the equation. Authors, publishers, editors, and production teams pay attention to what readers want, what they dislike, what sells, what gets popular, and what gets criticized. You can literally see stories, character dynamics, plot points, and even endings being changed because of audience reception. So acting like the audience has absolutely no relevance to a commercially published story is just unrealistic.

And even if we’re discussing the story on an illegal site and the author will never see our comments, that doesn’t suddenly make our opinions invalid. We’re still readers consuming and discussing the work. Not everyone has the money or access to support the official release, and if we did, obviously we’d be more likely to discuss it directly on the official platform. The validity of a criticism doesn’t depend on whether the author personally sees it. We’re allowed to talk about publicly released media wherever we happen to encounter it.

The author can absolutely write whatever they want, and nobody is taking that creative freedom away from them. But creative freedom doesn’t equal immunity from criticism. If you publish something publicly, people are going to praise it, dislike it, analyze it, criticize it, or completely disagree with your choices. That’s not “egoistic”—that’s literally what having an audience means.

what you are thinking is okay when author decieved you from the start or with tags that something else will happen but than dissapointed you but this is not the case here. you are just saying “this story would be better if this happened but author didn’t followed this kind of content and dynamic,” which is unnecessary after reading almost 60 chapter of something. some authors has their own style and liking of writing that’s what making literature world appealing. they can’t please or obligated to please all readers that’s why they have different fan-base. it’s not like i’m forbiding you from having your own opinions, that’s not my concern and i’m not worried about you hurting author’s feeling either. this is a general and annoying problem that’s why i pointed out. i don’t know what is the point of reading something if you are just wishing it’s going 180, it’s irritating. people have a habit of entering some series they don’t like and just shame the story, author and readers. it’s more okay if people would have just stick to places they are comfortable with if these kind of thing making them this uneasy. againn it’s okay to have opinions but complaining about something constantly while contunie to read is just making both of the end suffer and getting into some point. thşs story never had sudden turned-down moment either it was always this way. anyone with common sense would get the trope eventually and dropped off if they are not okay with it. comments like “but woonhyun is not aware of this,” “he did not give his consent this is disgusting,” is kind of funny because that’s not something happened first time. i guess just like how you are free with sharing your negative thoughts i’m free to share my annoyance about it

I think there’s one point you’re overlooking. Yes, I agree that tags can give you an idea of what kind of story you’re getting into, and if someone sees a trope they absolutely cannot tolerate, they can obviously drop the story. But you can’t realistically look at a list of tags or read the first few chapters and somehow know the entire context, progression, or every major plot development of a 60+ chapter story.

Stories can start fluffy, introduce certain tropes, and then take completely unexpected turns. That unpredictability is literally part of what makes reading enjoyable. If everything that happens later were completely predictable from the tags, there wouldn’t be much point in actually reading the story. So saying “the trope was there from the beginning, therefore you should have known exactly what would happen” is not really a fair argument.

And I think that’s where the criticism here is coming from. People aren't necessarily angry because the story contains an A/B/O dynamic or because it isn't developing exactly how they personally wanted. A major part of the outrage is specifically about what the ML did to the MC without his knowledge or consent.

The MC was subjected to a permanent physical change that fundamentally alters his life, without knowing that it was happening or consenting to it. That's a completely different level of issue from simply saying, “I don't like this trope” or “I wanted the MC to end up with someone else.” People are allowed to find that disturbing and criticize how the story handles it.

And honestly, I think some readers were probably expecting the story to do something different precisely because BL/A-B/O stories can be predictable. There’s often an expectation that the toxic ML will eventually become the obvious endgame and that all of the questionable behavior will eventually be romanticized or forgiven. So when readers see something that could potentially break away from that formula, they're going to pay attention to it.

That doesn't mean they’re demanding that the author change the story or that the author isn't allowed to write toxic dynamics. The author absolutely can write whatever they want. But readers are equally allowed to say, “This particular action crossed a line for me because it involved an irreversible violation of the character's bodily autonomy.”

And saying “it happened before, so why are you suddenly complaining?” doesn't really work either. Repetition doesn't make something automatically acceptable. If anything, repeated questionable behavior can make people MORE critical of the writing.

So yes, people can absolutely drop the story if they don't like it. But continuing to read because you're curious about where the story goes and then criticizing a development you find genuinely problematic isn't some contradiction. You don't need to predict the entire story from the tags, and you don't need to stop reading the moment you encounter something you dislike.

And just to clarify, I actually agree with you on the point about dropping stories when the tags contain something you already know you dislike. I personally do the same. If I see NTR, cheating, or the whole manwhore/virgin trope, I generally won't even start it because I already know those are things I don't enjoy. So yes, people absolutely have the option to drop a story instead of forcing themselves through something they hate.

But I don't think every story can be judged entirely from its tags either. Tags can tell you the general themes, tropes, or content warnings, but they don't necessarily tell you the exact context, progression, or how those elements will be used in the actual plot. Sometimes a story takes an unexpected direction that you simply couldn't have predicted from the tags alone.

So I agree that if someone knows a particular trope is a dealbreaker for them, dropping the story is probably the best option. But I don't think it's fair to say that anyone who continues reading and later criticizes something is being unreasonable just because “the tags were there.” Sometimes you don't actually know how you feel about a plot development until you see it happen.

Basically, tags can tell you what ingredients are in the story, but they don't tell you the entire recipe or how the story is going to use them.

And that's why I think both things can be true: people should absolutely drop stories that contain tropes they fundamentally don't want to read.