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Not related to what you said, but somehow related to a phrase "He is shockingly not evil"

This is not towards Grayson, but irl there are truly evil people who don't see themselves as evil, and that's not because of how they're raised or anything, they genuinely believe they're right, one example would be the Pope name Guitane from an anime about a 7th prince

True. Tbh defining "evil" can get complicated.
People generally judge evil in one of three ways:

1. Intention — someone is evil because they have malicious motives, even if they fail to carry them out.

2. Actions — someone is evil because of what they actually do, regardless of what they believe their motives are.

3. Intention and Action — both the person's motives and their conduct matter.

Seeing this, one would probably think that 3 would solve all, but it doesn't actually cleanly fix the other source of complexity of deciding why intentions should outweigh actions, or why actions should outweigh intentions. 1 and 2 gives us an easy black and white solution, and 3 gives a more difficult grey one.

For Guitane, if we use 3, he'd definitely be a darker grey since he was basically trapped in his own delusion.

If we get back to Grayson, using 3, I think he'd be a lighter gray. His intention is good. For his actions, this needs a little nuance because although we could say his actions were evil, we can also take into account the context that those actions could've actually helped Chase.

nah for real it actually pains me to see greyson hate after finishing his novel

I feel sorry for him too! I hope he gets what he wants

I didn't like him at first him basically bullying juhyoek did not left a good taste in my mouth and seems pathetic but ig he got some good merits now that he's realized that slowly but surely

Bliss's webnovel is currently live, passed chapter 100 recently.
Bliss is competion with Chase who's is more dumb.^^ But he is certainly the most pampered and spoiled, and loves his siblings.lol

* in competition

Bliss novel is ongoin with 100+ chapters. And "If you can" series has a total of 6 novels. And "Kiss me" series has another 6 set of novels. Plus there are 3 more standalone novels. So Zig's ABO universe is about 5 Dom Alpha families: Millers, Pittmans, 3 other families idr one of which was the Royal family of Middle East.

The basic concept of this universe:

Its based on the concept of damage Alphas, here the pheromones of dom Alphas affects their brain function most the emotional organs that's why most of the Dom Alphas are famous for being psychos. The level of damage depends upon the time of their manifestation. The early they manifest the more damaged they are. Kieth, Ashley(Chase papa) and Chase manifested after puberty so their pheromones didn't affect them. They were all normal, but later on Ashley pheromones melted his brain as he was taking injections for pheromones extraction just like chase. Nathaniel manifested at the age of 10, so he partially damaged that means he was emotionless but could understand and feel them pretty well. Grayson and his Twinn sister Stacy were born Dom Alphas so there brain was completely damaged. Bliss manifested at the age of 7 and he was dumb.

KMIYC acts as the gateway of "if you can" series, the rest novels are more complex and dwell deeper on the Universe concept.

DMYIC is the exact representation of the concept of Zig's Damage Alphas and the main story of if you can series

Kiss me Liar is the main story of its own universe. Other stories don't have Novels yet. But Kieth's parents story is gettin its novels first.

I have questions, spoilers possibly mentioned.

1. Does that only apply to alphas or dominant omegas too?

2. For Ashley and Koi story, what’s the reason Ashley waited at a station or something for ten years? For Koi? Why?

3. And did Dane SA chase? I know he did to Grayson but someone said he SA’ed Chase Dane you shitt. Why did he?

4. Are Ashley and Koi good parents? Some tell me they weren’t, or is it because of the alpha damage issue that so many of their sons are just fucked in head a bit?

5. You mentioned Ashley’s brain melted (??) woah, so is he not okay at all?

Here's the answer of your questions:

1. It applies only to Dominant Alphas. Dominant Omegas are very rare and they are quite advantageous over Dom Alphas. Angel, Koi, Bliss and Dane are the only known Dom Omegas so far. Koi said he haven't met any other beside these in his entire life.

2. Koi left Ashley to take care of his father and they reunited after around 10yrs.

3. Dane never SA chase. Tbh Dane's not a character to SA anyone, he is a good guy with childhood trauma. With Grayson, it was a bit of situation and I really don't know whether ot should be called as a proper SA or not but yeah technically it was. But if it wasn't for that situation Dane would have never slept with Grayson.

4. Both were terrible parents. As a person, they are good but when I read their parenting part I was disgusted at Ashley and angered at Koi. They could have handled all their children a lot better. They didn't provide the children wht they needed the most. (My blood boils whenever I remember their parenting period)

5. Yes, Ashley used to be emotional just like Chase. In fact, Chase was a lot like Ashley. But during the separation period, he wasn't extracting the pheromones naturally and was relied on injections with eventually melted his brain. He was on verge of dying too. But Dominant Omegas pheromones have some healing powers or something, so Koi pheromones saved him. But he became less emotional after that.

Jeez it really sucks to be a dominant alpha. You’d think they have the most advantage just based off the title. Dominant omegas have it a bit better huh? That’s good since it’s usually the other way around or just unfair. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond!

1. Wow, so Ashley is less emotional…could that be one reason why parenting sucks? Or is being less emotional good for dominant alphas considering how they get when emotional? Honestly I might not read the novels yet. The only ones I have read (in comic) are Kiss me, Liar (it was shit), and Kiss me if You Can, a bit of Desire me.

2. Where is Angel and Bliss from?

3. So far as much as Chase annoys me, I like him lol.
Good lord he is spoilt and bratty. Never seen an omega and alpha beat each other up the way they did. Grayson pisses me off, forcing Chase to go to the parties. I haven’t found out about Chase’s trauma yet, hopefully I will by the end of latest chapter on this site. If not, I don’t mind spoilers. Do you know when Chase finds out Pete is his son? That’s the part I’m anticipating the most!

4. I’m glad Dane isn’t like that. I really like him and his design. He was okay in Kiss me, Liar and good to Yeonwu (if I said it right, it’s been a while). I see both Grayson and Dane are man whores lol, I’m a bit disappointed Dane got the most psychotic brother but I’m sure a dominant omega like him can handle Grayson.

Oh no. I forgot to add a question to #4: Is it true that Grayson falls harder for Dane? Please. I hope so.

Grayson would gladly die for Dane. He cherished Dane and respected Dane as well. He never forced even a kiss my himself on Dane. It was always Dane he initiated any kind of intimacy. The amount of Love Grayson has showered on Dane (despite being emotion less), if anyone would do even 20 percent of it for me I would devote my life to that person.

*by himself

Sorry for more questions. Feel free to take your time, even days.

1. I reread Kiss me Liar again (horrendous). Why the hell did Angel, Keith’s omega dad kiss him? And I heard Angel has like 4 or 5 partners damn…

2. No question here but that’s interesting. Your response makes me more curious about reading novel now. Well you sold it. I’ll give their novel a go. I don’t really need to read anything else before it, yeah?

2. 10 years???? Tf.

4. Damn that's disappointing af.

My bad, I didn't notice this comment earliyand only replied to the next one. So yeah Dom omega can knock out 1 dom alpha but to knock out 1 dom omega u need at least 5 dom alphas.

1. Idt his parenting was influenced by his condition. He was just jealous of his Alpha children so he didn't allow Koi to even touch them and did everything to separate them. And he himself was very harsh on them. He realised all of his mistakes in Desire me which is the last novel of the series. So he has his redemption in desire.

2. Angel is Kieth's omega father and Bliss is Ashley omega son, the only one who was loved and cared by him(cause he looked like Koi)

3. Grayson did horrible things there's no denying at it. But most of his actions comes from what he has been taught. He just needed a good guidance that he got from Dane. He forced chase to go to the parties because extracting pheromones through sex is the only safest way. Even injections has side effects (that's how Ashley brain melts as he was taking injections fr extraction). Grayson knew about so he didn't want chase to suffer as the father that's he did every possible thing to make him have sex. Yes, he crossed the limits but he actually don't know the severity and impacts of words. So he thought if he would lie to chase that he did it with a dog then Chase would be scared and would start using sex for pheromones extraction. Also Ashley told them that they would rape anyone in pheromones influence that's why he forces his children a lot to have sex in order to prevent them from raping others. So Grayson also think that if chase would do it he will rape someone. He never thought that far(actually he couldn't thought) that his words could cause trauma for chase. And chase will find out at very end about Pete.

5. Yes, Grayson and Dane are manwhores, but Grayson doesn't sleep around like dane. And both Dane and Josh are manwhores actually. For Grayson he has been taught that sex can be done for 2 reasons, to extract pheromones and if you are dating someone. Besides for those two reasons Grayson doesn't sleep with anyone. For Grayso, there has to be a reason for sex. He don't knw wht casual sex is.

1. Actually Angel's story is very traumatic and toxic. Kieth's father was a shit person. So far we knw that when Angel was manifested as dom omega, he was claimed by 5 wealthy dom Alpha families including Pittman and Shepard. He was made marry all 5 Alphas against his will and was shared by all of them to produce hiers. Same as Ashley, those 5 Alphas were also jealous of their own children so to mess with them Angel kiss Kieth. Well Angel is getting his own story so things will be explored more.

2. You can read Desire before reading anything else. But I would def recc you to know abt their Grandparents story as that is the root of everything. The trauma and toxic traits passing are from the grandfather. His story was very very toxic so I won't say to read the entire novel, you could just check novelupdates for reviews, they are very detailed. And from my personal experience, read the last chapter only of the grandfather's story. It will change the whole meaning of Desire novel and you will get to know why Desire is the central story of this universe.

1. Dam, isn't Ashley a bit too late tho since the damage has been done?

3. That's what I'm getting skimming the chapters and looking back at Grayson's appearance in KMIYC, it really seems that Grayson genuinely thought he was doing the right thing. Like he didn't do it to traumatize Chase, he genuinely thought he was helping him.

5. I checked the first chapter of DMIYC and yeah, Grayson does genuinely separate sex from a lover and sex to release pheromones. It was pretty bizarre to see him wanting to find his fated mate while his FUBU omegas are clinging to him.

I thought he was saying sex in general is separate from lover. Personally I couldn’t see it that way. It’s something very intimate to me. But it makes sense if he meant that sex for self control and sex with lover isn’t the same. I read it wrong.

Grayson’s arrogant looking face makes me think he really believes anything is a hole to fuck. Ashley has done a lot of damage for sure, but they were all doomed from the start huh. I remember Grayson said he doesn’t fuck the same person more than once, hence why he rejected the twins clinging to him.

No, it’s okay! I figured you’d take your time. That’s crazy! 5 dominant alphas to knock out 1 dominant omega. It sounds crazy in a good way. I wish it was like this for all omegas, but it’s okay.

1. That’s even worse haha. I would’ve understood a bit more if dominant alphas were affected by their psychological state and that’s why they are possessive of their partners. But being just jealous of your own kids is kind of crazy, it is crazy. But who isn’t in this story? I’m glad to hear he realized mistakes in Desire Me. I would hope so. Does Koi show up in Desire Me? I want to see him interact with his children and Ashley.

2. Ahh okay. Dang. Ashley and Koi had Bliss, Chase, Nathaniel, and Grayson…so that’s four of them. Or is there more. The favoritism with Bliss makes sense unfortunately. What is Bliss like? In terms of personality/behavior? Is he as crazy as his brothers? Probably not since he’s not dom alpha.

3. Definitely comes from the environment he grew up in. I guess there’s a bright side to look at. I’d rather he be with someone like Dane than someone soft hearted like Yeonwoo from Kiss Me Liar. Dane is strong and confident, the best partner for Grayson. I don’t know about the other way around yet, but hopefully I come to like Grayson as much as I liked Chase. I am into tsundere personalities or two faced. That makes sense, that he forced Chase to parties to lower risks of raping. So there is a good intention, he just does it in more inappropriate ways.

Oh wow, so the dog sex scene didn’t actually happen. THANK YOU. Good confirmation because I haven’t reached that part yet. Does Grayson ever reveal that to Chase? That must feel like the biggest relief when finding out you didn’t sleep with a dog.

Honestly what I get from this is that the dominant alphas need an advanced tech robot to fuck. Maybe omegas can donate pheremones somehow magically into the robot. I’m not sure what I’m saying, but it’s way less risk of accidentally impregnating someone during orgy, and no strings attached.

6. Josh is a manwhore? For real? He sleeps around? Maybe it’s because I didn’t really see him with anyone besides being fucked by Chase, I didn’t think of it like that. I only read the comic. Oh yeah, Dane x Grayson are manwhores for sure, great dynamic potential. So far I love Chase and Josh dynamic.

Yeah. It's m like Grayson just simply thinks that having sex for survival is not a big deal, especially for a dom alpha like him, it's seriously an act for survival since they can literally suffer brain damage if they don't do it.

1. Oh, that is gross. Aw. Was there anyone Angel truly loved? Who is Shepard again. I know Pittman.

2. So that’s why Angel kissed Kieth, erm…but it makes sense. So those 5 dominant alphas are aversive to their children being around their lover. How many chapters for Angel’s story out yet? Not out yet?

3. I did read bunch of spoilers for the grandparents, and that is a heartbreaking ending. As much as I hated Dominic Miller, I also disliked Ashley J Dawson. Someone mentioned how Dominic truly believed Ashley loved him back, and was even willing to adopt and not force Ashley to give birth or turn into omega, or something along that lines. But then Ashley betrayed him, his whole motive being the president’s daughter or something. Then, Dominic followed him into the fire. If this is true, I am never reading it. I can handle toxicity like ‘toxic but alive still’, but tragedies like these where their love is only eternal after death seems…too sad for me to handle. I usually avoid angst like these. I was planning on reading the grandparents first, but I saw the spoilers. It was detailed spoilers I came across, mentioned the locking up, etc…and how Ashley J Dawson never really came to love Dominic and didn’t have Stockholm syndrome. Strong till end but it’s very bitter. I wouldn’t have mind if they lived and made up somehow, I know you can’t turn things like these around but…ugh.

3. Did Dominic name Ashley (their son, and lovers with Koi) after Ashley J Dawson, his omega dad? this is very sad. Is there a specific passage from the novel that makes me know why Desire is the theme? I have an idea of why based off spoilers, but I can’t be sure.

Thank you again! For taking the time to respond in detail. Take your time!

They need to make some robot sex machine out of silicone to get relief + omegas can donate pheremones without needing to engage in sex, somehow idk. Magical. This is all pure torture for alphas. It’s ruining everyone. It makes me think author dislikes alphas this is a lot to go through, but it’s a unique concept.

Oh wait yeah Josh is a manwhore in topping experience .

I think it's more like kinda a fair trade-off for the Alphas since they are blessed with having large, superior, and beautiful bodies, idk lol. At least they each eventually get their own fated omegas that helps stabilize their conditions. Kinda like they metaphorically and literally cannot Iive without their omega mate anymore.

1. Yes. I would have understood if he did all those things so that his children won't end up like Dominic or Ashley himself (this was also one of the reasons tho) but it was all jealousy. He separated Alpha sons from omega Father n Brother but he himself being a dom alpha made time to spent with Bliss cs he looked like koi. If it was cs of Pheromones he should hv separated himself from bliss too.

5. Grayson doesn't sleep without a reason. When he thinks that someone is his fated mate he would date them but the moment he realised tht they aren't stopped seeing them cs he didn't want to waste his time on someone who is not fated to be with him. That's why he continued to have sex partners even when he was in relationship cs fr him both are completely different matters (as taught by Ashley). And he doesn't slepo with samw partner cs they might catch feelings.

1. Yes almost most of the characters of this universe will be there in Desire except for Nathaniel and bliss. But we would see Nathaniel partner Crissy too. Koi actually played a significant role here. Also Dane has lots of moments with Koi and Ashley too.


2. There are 6 children. Grayson has a twin sister who is also born Dom Alpha. And it was actually both of them who hut chase. There's one more female dom Alpha Larien who is younger than chase. BLISS AND CHASE are a lot similar, chase is rude dumb and bliss is cute dumb. His story is funny but its ongoin.

3. Its actually Dane who thought that Grayson deserves someone much bettert than him. I liked chase too but after knowing Grayson, its actually him that I cared the most about . Being emotion less he is gonna make us feel lot of different types of emotions. As we are gonna witness how he actually functions and how he ends makin worst decision every time despite havin good intentions.

Ashley himself said at one point that this Pheromone is nothing but a curse to them.

6. Yes. Josh and Dane are exactly same. Josh even had foursomes. But Josh was straight to core and Dane do both men and women. Josh only stopped after havin pete (Dane will also stop after havin feelings for Gray). Its just that we didn't see Josh like that but we will see Dane like that lol

1. Ugh I hate that trope where the parent gets jealous of their own children because they see them as competition or some shit. A bit ironic of Ashley to do this when he supposedly hated his father for being so terrible. oh wait that reminds, what happened to them actually? Dominic Miller and his omega?

5. Wow, like daym, imI wanted to kill Grayson so bad in KMIYC but dam, I'm so shook he's actually quite a devoted mate despite having a fuked up version of pragmatism.

5. Wait a damn minute, does Grayson still has sex partners even when he's in a relationship with Dane???

No Grayson stopped the moment he asked Dane to date him. And he used injections as well when they had breakup

When Ashley was at the verge of dying, he set the mansion on fire and died along with thinking thinking dying together is wht true love is

1. Angel story is not out yet so we would knw after the novel is released. But yeah Kieth father manipulated Kieth making him believe that omegas are filthy and can't be satisfied with 1. That's y Kieth used to hate omegas.

2. You are on spot with the spoilers. I couldn't read the novel as well. And yes Domnic named his son after Ashley and called him his possession. He used to punish Ashley and Ashley used the same punishment on Grayson. And Grayson didn't even realised that he was being abused.

So Ashley used to think that cs of the toxic traits from Domnic, his children will surely end up like him or Domnic. Since Grayson showed signs of being evil he got sure that its Grayson who is gonna be the next Domnic. Similar situation also started to happen, Grayson was obsessed in love but Dane never loved him back just like Juliet. In Domnic story, in the last chapter when he was planning to die with him he realised that this obsession that he has for Juliet is love, what else could be love, this greed is true love and to die with the person you love makes this love last forever. So when Dominic realised wht love is he killed himself and Juliet both to be together forever. Similar situation happened with Grayson, and when he understood the meaning of love the decision he made after realising it is wht made Ashley realised his mistakes. And that was the only decision that Grayson made by fully understanding any situation.

The whole story was so peak. I cried at the moment so much and you won't I am still crying while writing this.

Grayson sounds like a romantic, risking himself…you sold me.
I’m too low on money to buy any physicals right now if there are any. I checked Novelupdates and they have two translation groups. Do you know which is best? Ocean tales or Cherry. Or is there another better site?

Oceanstale is good.

https://novelingua.com/desire-me-if-you-can-chapter-074/

This site also has good translations but few chapters are missing.

1. I think it has to do with marking. A dominant alpha can only be marked by one omega, until that omega dies. But the mark on an omega can disappear or overwritten by another alpha. Because of Ashley's brain damage the marking didn't really work and in Ashley's case dependency on Koi's pheromones probably also played into it. And the moment a dominant alpha manifests they start to release pheromones.
Dominant alphas are extremely possessive.

6. Josh stopped when he got pregnant with Pete. He was even hunting for sexpartners together with Dane. But he slept only with women. Lots of women, even with more than one at the same time.^^

Thank you so much! I like Novelingua format better. Too many ads on Ocean

Dammmmmmm Grayson is

Dammm Grayson is [insert 3 green flags] what the fuuuuuk.

Anyway, oooh a breakup and Grayson uses injections? I love that angst trope where after the breakup, one gets depressed and physically deteriorates and the other gets heartbroken seeing the terrible state of their former lover. So that got me curious:
1. Why did they breakup?
2. What happened to Grayson after, though I already assumed he was very depressed about it.
3. Why did they get together again?

Bro wtf. The people did not joke when they said this novel was one of the darkest in the series omg.

I read on novelingua too. There translations are best. Just read the missing chapters on other site

Ikr, i was traumazed Desire is just so cute n funny and sad n chaotic. No toxicity

U want complete spoiler????

Give it to me baby. I'm actually a reverse-spoiler. When I get a spoiler, it makes me want to read/see it myself even more.

I just started reading that Chapter and omg bruh I feel so bad for Grayson wtffff TT TT TT TT TT

So they broke thrice. Frst time it was very casual from Dane side and after some arguments (mostly Dane gets angry on Grayson for no reason) they stopped dating. Thn Grayson somehow convinced Dane to date him for 6 months only and then decide of he wants to continue or not n he said that he will disappear forever if he still couldn't love him back. Dane was like "I will time pass for 6 months and part ways". Grayson was the most cutest during this period. Grayson got curious abt dane family so when he asked about it Dane got very angry and stopped talking to him, this time Grayson didn't talk back either but his rut came so he goes to get injections instead of doing it with Dane as Dane was angry on him. But the injection was failure cs some nurse did it so he was still im bad shape then Dane helped him out and then they patch up again. This time Dane realised that this guy really loves him a lot n due to Dane past he wasn't ready to give love to anyone. Seeing Grayson's loyalty and love Dane decided to tell Grayson about his past due to which he don't believe in love, after which Grayson didn't stopped him either. And Grayson disappeared completly. There was still time left in 6 months.In between Grayson got kidnapped and damn Grayson rescue arc was so movie coded. After that some things happened and Grayson finally broke up with Dane and started taking injections only.

Thanks very much for writing all of these. Dam, I can't wait for their story to be finished drawn.

Btw, I speed skimmed Eat Me Up If You Can and JFC bruh. It felt like the author has a torture porn for Juliet holy shit. It's not even toxic anymore, like it's literally much worse.

Ikr, the only good part was that Juliet took his revenge by never loving him back and never developed stockholm syndrome. That was the only revenge he could take. So this part was nyc unlike rest of the manwhas where they usually end up loving their grapists

Okay I did some light research and [SPOILERS WARNING]





[bitch you've been warned]





He indeed has some genuine psychological problem due to his Miller blood. In fact all the Miller siblings has some sort of psychological or behavioural problems due to their genes.


What's even crazier is that psycho brother Grayson actually turns into a longing puppy green flag top. Like bruhhh the whiplash of the change.

and he makes my nonexistent dick hard!

Indeed indeed

Exactly. Murder. We both know how partial cheol's moral compass is towards minyoung. But the two things I know he won't forgive is when he does murder someone, or comes out to cheol's family

Im sorryyy bc i kinda dont remember the past chaps but did the story mentioned Minyoung ever killed anyone aside from out-ed Cheol??
Bc i dont remmber anyone like jaehee before.. Is he important to the present time?

No minyoung hasn't killed anybody he also murdered cheol in his sleep jaehee is a recent new character that got introduced as cheols stalker that's been messing with them but we're not sure what happened to him in the present timeline

He almost murdered him mb

Right?? Done any other way and this story would’ve been so bad, lmao. Kudos to the author for managing to pull this off