Wait, why is everyone saying rape? I thought Yujin was fully like, have sex with me? Did I miss a chapter?
I’m with you on this, they both agreed idk
Ngl the comments were scaring me, so I was letting this season marinate a bit before start reading it (⊙…⊙ )
It’s more like yujin is taunting him and playing along (to hide his true thoughts) while being tied up. So it’s not really consensual but yujin also shows that he doesn’t hate it as well. So I get why you’re confused.
I would consider it more dub con than rape tbh but dont come for me
This is why I get angry when authors use that same rape trope when they are too lazy and unimaginative to actually write something with substance and meaning. This is very clearly rape the first word yujin says in this chapter is no and stop. I imagine bozos like you serving on a jury for cases were there is an actual rape victim and I’m petrified. Rape is a serous topic, and while I believe creative writing shouldn’t be regulated I hate how stories like this shape social definitions of actual serious topics. That is why I’m OK with people hating on the author and other authors because that’s the only way we can socially regulate this kind of writing and make sure people know In real life, it’s not OK. Fiction is fiction but socially always finds a way to come Out in the real world.
I wonder what the first words yujin said this chapter consent was clear and It was a no.
While I agree that the use of rape in bl is extremely prevalent right now, I disagree with you on the clarity of this situation. Yujin says no with the intention of continuing his thought, not as a stand alone statement, before being thrown off by his own train of thought. This is pretty easily identified by the "..." in his text bubble and Aaron's own question mark at why he just stopped talking mid sentence. Aaron then continues with the same style of taunting conversation the two them have had their entire relationship, which is also why Yujin doesn't actually think he's that upset. This has always been how they interact with each other. His previous behavior of both taunting Aaron to have sex with him and the behavior of the year prior, shows that Yujin does say "wait", "no", and "stop" while having sex without the intention of stopping. Additionally, immediately afterwards he speaks in a way that indicates a want to continue when he comments on Aaron's hastiness. It is only after they start having sex that Yujin realized something is wrong and he doesn't like it. However, the thoughts we see Yujin having are not vocalized and are only noticed by Aaron when he sees Yujin's face (because Aaron is relatively good at reading Yujin), which doesn't happen till the end of the chapter. So while I can understand your thought process, I would consider the action taken at most dubious consent because of how we have seen their relationship in the past 60 chapters and how that knowledge would impact how both Aaron and Yujin perceives the situation. Additionally, my confusion on this does not come from my inability to separate reality from fiction. It is merely a question posed to other readers to gain insight into why they are perceiving the situation differently than I am. I would also like to clarify that I do not think that just because someone has said "no" before and not meant it, that it is an excuse to ignore a person's no. I am however saying in the context of this character, previous behavior could lead the other character to react to "no" differently than it would be handled in real life.
it would’ve been rape even if he said yes 100 times. How could he consent while being chained to the bed with no way out? Coercion invalidates consent.
Why are you acting dense. The man is in chains like hello. Are we gonna ignore the fact that Aron kidnapped him. At the end of the chapter yujin is practically begging Aron to let him go home and to leave him alone. You are genuinely a dangerous person and you need to look inward. I’m concerned for the way you behave in real life. These kind of stories have eaten away at your brain to the point where you can’t understand what is dub con and rape.
Omg the people here are so scary. Like this is common sense why don’t you understand. and you know I didn’t care at first because I thought we all understood but it’s gotten into a point where if this doesn’t stop shit like this is gonna become REALITY.
THIS! to me i think the issue is some people won’t admit it’s rape because they’re too embarrassed to admit that they like to read it. in reality what u enjoy to consume =/= what u condone, it’s just scaring me how so many are justifying aaron’s actions when this would be a clear rape case in real life. how tf could yujin consent in that situation—and also he didn’t even consent!!! he said no literally the first thing in this chapter!!!!!
if u enjoy reading rape, then whatever. i won’t yuck ur yam, and others shouldn’t to. but u need to understand when it is happening, and need to admit that it is rape. because that is that it is. pretending that it’s anything different just makes u look like u cant read
Hm, I suppose I'm more confused then on why there is a sudden shift in the reaction to Aaron's character. Aaron has always used something as a means of control regarding Yujin. Whether it be money, physical proximity, or his pain. This story is build largely on their power imbalance and Aaron's ability to use that power to influence Yujin. However, readers haven't ever been opposed to it previously, for example when Aaron is camping out in Yujin's house as a means to pressure him. Yujin being unable to leave in this scenario isn't too different from most other scenarios that take place in the story, for example the sex chapter when Aaron is using a gun. Why would readers consider those situations consensual and/or dub con, but not this? And again, I want to reiterate because I can tell the thread is become more and more hostile against my person, I am asking the question to gain insight from other readers regarding the questions I'm posing (both the original question which many people have really kindly answered, and this new question I've just prompted). I am not attempting to insult or insinuate anything negative about the readers. I would also like to say that dubious consent is not a real thing, it purely exists in fiction. In the real world, dub con is non consensual. I can very easily differentiate reality and fiction. In the world of fiction, I would consider this dub con. In reality, if this case was to hit court, it would be jail time on multiple counts.
Beacause he’s literally in chains, and they are very clearly on bad terms right now. Yujin and Aron were also never dating. In dub con situations there is a couple. Aron atp is jst someone he had a fling with. And even in those situations you mentioned yujin still had the power to walk away from Aron he was still somewhat in control. Now Aron is literally holding him against his will. Yujin is saying leave me alone there is no gray area in that. And I agree w you Aron has always been a little off I should have never given him the benefit of a doubt.
I would argue they are basically a couple the last half of the previous season. They were definitely more than a fling emotionally and physically. They do everything that couples do except have the title of a couple. Dub con, as I've seen it used in fandom spaces, is not limited to explicit couples and includes implied or to be lovers (really noticeable in omegaverse or even books like Fourth Wing), but who knows how terms evolve. I definitely think this situation is more extreme from Aaron's previous tactics, but is the same baseline behavior. I would agree that anything from this point forward would be entirely non consensual. Yujin has openly and internally decided "i do not want this". We know from his internal thoughts he didn't have problems having sex with Aaron until he noticed the change in behavior was genuine and unlike he was used to. That is the moment, at least to me, where he decided he wasn't okay with it. But since it happened during the act, is mostly internal (till the end) and Aaron does not move forward when he notices Yujin's genuine fear not the usual play, I would consider it dub con. Which can be applied in a situation of captive and captor as well, since that represents a power imbalance (a common scenario in which dub con takes place in fiction).
look up goomba fallacy. You’re attributing different contrasting opinions to one very diverse group of people when in no way have I stated I was okay with financial coercion. The point still stands though: rape is worse than general controlling behavior and this is a new low for the series. I’m not saying any of this to be aggressive btw since I know how crazy people can get on here. The minority who was not okay with aaron’s previous behavior has just become louder, I think is what’s happening.
Sorry, I just mean to clarify my question a little bit. In ny inital reply I was asking in a general context why it seems that the physical means to control (the cuff on his ankle) is viewed as more coercive than any of his other previous behavior. The point being, why is this considered rape due to coercive factors that are present in the story, but not previous scenes (I'm primarily thinking back on the gun scene). Generally, I haven't seen many others consider any other sex scene with power imbalances used coercively in this manhwa specifically, even considered dub con, much less rape. But you definitely bring in a good point that it may just be that this recent chapter brought a lot of people who have thought negatively of the more dubious sex scenes the entire time to the forefront. I do definitely agree that this is a the lowest point thus far in their relationship and has been shown as a a low point for both characters (I can't remember if there's a novel for this, so I will speak as if the story is being told for the first time).
mmh, I believe this to be the first full blown rape scene because yujin is bound (both chained and tied) and physically unable to resist, what aggravates this is his precarious mental and physical state, which to me makes his teasing earlier just a defense mechanism because he thought that aaron would never really hurt him. He’s always been shown as a “freaky” characters and was always visibly into it, which makes these two chapters more jarring and possibly a wake-up call for some readers
I seriously don't like the mc. The top is annoying, but in a rich person kind of way. The mc just does whatever he wants and idrc for it. Especially most recently. Does this have a novel? Does anyone know if it gets any better from here or should I save myself the time and just call it quits now?
Literally what i was about to say idk why tf they made mc do what he did recently like wtf this story had some potential
It's an original manhwa not a novel adaptation apparently. So we didn't know yet how the story will unfold.
No
The plot isn't all the intense or crazy. The fact that he's 13 is insanity. It's not great, but it isn't all that bad either. I actually don't think the FL is that naive, I think she's fairly emotionally stunted though.
Top ten stupidest things he's done. He's dumb and doesn't realize he has feelings for MC, but he's being stupid °○°/. Pheromone overload for what •○•
I forgot about the ML's whole misunderstanding about the character of the MC. And it's pissed me off again. How long is this gonna last ?
Ahjo lowkey isn't wrong about the MC creating a fantasy of him in his head. Ahjo was a dick in high school too. MC needs to wake up.
Although I am slightly satisfied by how much Apollo is being dragged, the pure intense sadness I feel for Daphne is just overwhelming. She has lost the entirety of who she is and it's simply for the enjoyment of the gods. She has no home, no agency, and no sense of self. And this whole entire situation could have been her idea of paradise, but it's been screwed over because of Eros, who simply wanted to get back at Apollo for saying they were not equals. There is only misfortune being done to her, there is nothing she can control. It's incredibly sad.
I get both sides. Luke is right that Andrew needs to have something, not even just friends, but anything outside of Luke that he takes a genuine interest in. A hobby, friends, a cat, etc. And I think Andrew's point has a lot of value. Do I think Andrew has a skewed perception of Luke and his helplessness? Yes. Luke is far more aware than he appears and it's his choice what he is willing to tolerate and what he isn't. Luke is not a pushover, he has very clear limits. Andrew, on the other hand, doesn't. I hope they take a break from being around each other 24/7. But I don't want some stupid time skip break up.
(SPOILER) I heard they gonna break up, and Andrew will move on while Luke finds out his friends have been manipulating him. Idk if these spoilers are true tho lol.
sigh……..
If this happens everyone on this site is getting nuked
I pray that's false information
My delulu is saying fake news blablahbah
I will jump off a roof if this happens ╥﹏╥ FAWK. But like which friends are manipulating him??? As far as I’m aware only Bruno was the one who backstabbed him and it seems like he learned his lesson.
It's wrong!! It's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong!!! This can't be right!!
THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU MEAN MOVE ON?????? WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN MOVE ON??? nahhhhh that can’t happen nahh bro nahh
where could u possibly b getting these spoilers from
It's from one of the BL manhwa facebook pages I follow
But apparently, Luke chases after him tho, so it's prob a temp break-up arc.
So so cute. They're adorable. I lowkey feel bad for the other guy, not because I want them to be together. The FL was definitely right when she said that he never saw her as his friend. But just his life, idk. The troubles of a spoiled rich kid who's actions, opinions, choices, and wants never mattered. I can't get over it and idk why. Or maybe I just can't get over how easily everyone in his life used him to the point that it was all he knew how to do. I wish he found some kind of real love. But even though he didn't, I'm glad the mc did and she ended up with the tiger.