I don't like that he keeps telling Heisuke he's lacking something, and that he's ungrateful for his friends. What right do you have to judge someones worth and friendship just because you hold different ideals. In my opinion Heisuke has friends and he( the freshman) doesn't because he doesn't try t force his feelings upon others and lives how he chooses. He has no fake mask he wears, he's simply always himself. What's wrong with that??
I hate Aram, and the spirit guide dude. Like really what the actually fuck! How dare you go into some else body to fuck them over because you are afraid of facing your reality. Also the spirit dude is alway like it's not fair to Aram! You know what's not fair having to live in another person body because you fucked up, and now your bitching about it everyday because she's not a coward like Aram. Second if you knew her body was still there why didn't you let her go back. It pisses me off. Thank goodness the MC is a strong independent woman...
it's still a good read and worth all the heartache haha
i was thinking the same thing! like the soul collector also keeps scolding her about eating and exercising!! like it's even good that she's trying to be healthy! And I get really annoyed when he doesn't help them because they made "Aram cry". Like Aram is so spoiled and all i don't get why he sympathizes with her. And that all this happened anyway because you freaking messed up yourself and now you blame Ha Ji for everything. SHE'S THE FREAKING VICTIM HERE ISTG. THIS FREAKING SPIRIT PERSON IS KILLING ME.
i just finished reading this manhwa..
and i agree with this, i really hate the spirit person and aram, they just too selfish.. like when ha ji did something that don't like Aram he will scolded Ha Ji, and then when Ha Ji want to go back to her own body the guy told her that she is selfish, and then when Aram in Ha ji's body doing something wicked he never do anything to stop her cause its Aram who doing it..
i can't understand why would someone like Aram get a guardian angel?? she's selfish, arrogant, greedy, and ran for reality.. why would Te Hu like her anyway??
UUggghhh... I hate them and their selfishness.. (╬￣皿￣)凸
I wanted mu yeong to survive, but I understand why he had to die. He was so unrelenting in his pursuit of her that keeping him alive would have continued the problems. Ah ,if only he could've been like the 2nd brother and been satisfied with some strands of hair
xD Best comment ever.
This is pulling on my heartstrings due to stupidity. Like how are you going to date someone else due to a misunderstanding, and not even confess!! Please just do it!!! It's killing me!
I don't think he is dating Nanae, Taku just made an assumption.
Wow, so her parents committed
suicide after her sister's death, and basically told her she's worthless. While his family are just as bad... that's some screwed up shit
Yeah, little Ben's so lucky he was spared from meeting any of his lousy grandparents.
yeah, tell yout daughter she's ugly, bla bla wt* she's your daughter too,
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I SLIGHTLY hate Fumi. Like why do you keep running away and questioning his feelings when he has literally done nothing bad?? It's getting on my nerves especially because he keeps hanging with that guy who basically is trying to be with him, without his boyfriends knowledge. Like damn it's a cute manga , but stop making fucking excuses and blaming him because you're insecure
it pisses me off too!!! like he gets incredibly jealous when shunpei gets close with another person but it's okay if he's comforted by hagami WHATS WITH THAT LOGIC
I was thinking about this for a while, and I believe that Ichi is so much worse than Kou. Why? Because from the beginning Kou was always an ass, he knew it and even others avoid him because of it, and called him disgusting. It no wonder he felt of afraid of Ichi's feeling and tried to test him, but one things for sure he never betrayed Ichi. However, again like when Ichi was confessing he was looking for the easy way out, cheating(emotionally or physically) and not facing the real problem ,and not telling Kou his real feelings. Leading him to hurt two people.
trying to 'test' your partner is pretty fucked up too though...
You make a very good point, but I have a few questions for you...Based on Kou's treatment of Ichi, do you think that Ichi believed he was ever really in a "relationship" with Kou? If a person feels like they are the only person in a relationship - one sided love - is giving up on that relationship to find happiness considered cheating? Please understand, I am not trying to invalidate or pick apart your views. Rather, I am interested in hearing more about what you think. Your comment was well written and clearly defined your opinion as well as your reasons for holding that opinion. I was impressed and would like to hear more. If you have the time and inclination to respond I would be very grateful. However, if you would prefer not to, I understand. Thank you.
Oh it's no trouble at all I enjoy these types of discussions. I believe it's cheating simply because the extent of their relationship and how long it proceeded as such. When two people engage in sexual favors exclusively: I consider it a relationship. However, I do understand your point. Overall, It think the issue stems from Kou's issue of with himself, and not being able to believe someone as flawed as him can be loved, so in order to keep himself from being hurt for the day Ichi also find his personality unbearable like so many others before him,being cruel is the only way he knows. However, it doesn't excuse the fact the Ichi never states his feelings, his pain, his worries, or even his needs to Kou and just bears them as the only "victim"even when Kou asked him is there a problem. Ichi does this because his a coward, it's easier to him to run away than face the issue at hand( and that's addressed even as he's confessing Kou notices his trait of his). Ichi could have told Kou I'm tired, I need space , but instead proceeds to find someone new and still keeps his present situation with Kou which is the problem. I wonder what would have happened if they had only discussed their feelings with each other? What's your opinion?
I felt like Ichi believed they were not really in a relationship to start. Ichi even says, at the end of the story, that he had forced Kou into the relationship they were in as it was. That considered, along with Kou's stand off-ish nature and the fact that they had never had intercourse, led Ichi to feel like finding someone new would be in the best interest of both of them. That is not to say that the lack of communication was not the primary reason for their troubles, only that this is what I gathered from Ichi's words at the end. I don't think either of them were solely at fault, rather they both were at fault. They each had legitimate reasons for their actions, however wrong those actions may have been. Had they simply talked to each other and been entirely honest in doing so, the conflict could have been avoided. But then, there would have been no story to tell and no manga to read. LOL
My view on relationships may be skewed due to my past experiences, but I believe that love and sex can be mutually exclusive. Neither requires the other to exist. I was in a very loving relationship with a man who was paralyzed from the waist down, so sex was not an option. Conversely, I've slept with men and women I've "liked" but not loved and had no relationship with them outside of sex. Therefore, my criteria for a "relationship" center more on emotional attachments than physical ones. That said, I can see where Ichi would have felt that there was no relationship between him and Kou, due to the lack of emotional connection between them. Ichi was seeking that emotional connection in "megane-kun". Kou, on the other hand, feared emotional connection and the pain of possible loss, but conveyed his feelings through physical intimacy. With a relationship "in doubt" like this one, I feel "cheating" is too strong of a concept to apply to Ichi's actions. Kind of like...I have sex with John, we have nothing more than a tacit friendship outside of sex, but I meet my soul mate Steve and begin a relationship with him. Am I cheating on John? IMO, no, I'm not. If I were to sleep with John, I would be cheating on Steve, but not vice-versa. I think Ichi saw Kou as "John" (even though he loved him, his feelings didn't seem to be returned outside of sex) and sought out "megane-kun" the be his "Steve" (emotional soul-mate to return his love outside of just sex).
This story highlights, in my opinion, the need for couples to share the concept of what constitutes a "relationship" and the need for open, honest communication. We all have fears, but we must set aside those things that harm us or the ones we love - even when it is scary as hell to do so.
Wow, I wrote a novel...sorry. Thank you so much for your reply. Your thoughts were, again, beautifully written and conveyed your ideas so clearly. I was intrigued and impressed by both your opinions and questions. I truly enjoy being able to converse with someone who can speak/write, so eloquently, their thoughts and reasoning. Thank you very much for this wonderful opportunity.
The both of you are awesome i enjoyed reading your views on this manga alot .
This is probably one of my favorite conversations I've had about a manga, really altered my perspective. I'm glad you enjoyed it!=)
I did
just got out of a 10+ year toxic relationship and i do believe that properly breaking up first is the right thing to do.But on the other hand i believe both are wrong in my opinion even if 1 partner is 30% wrong and the other 70% both are wrong.There are only 2 options in a relationship when it's toxic
1 you stay and accept your partner
2 you leave and forgive them and yourself for how things went.
but as someone who allowed my partner to cheat on me and treat me in a wrong way for 9 of our almost 11 year relationship.There is not much i can say other than when you are in the situation being rational is difficult despite all you know.
I don't regret staying and i don't hate him because in a way i allowed myself to be treated that way because i knew better but didn't leave right away .
love is strange and attachments even stranger.
ooow btw i'll be stalking you a bit so i can hopefully read another beautifully written opinion on a manga (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
The uncle is having a huge misunderstanding about that one night stand. Rather than Hiroki seducing his nephew and leaving him high and dry. It more like: your nephew found a drunk man on the street and helped him out and took him home, but became horny and proceeded to have sex with that man without consent( because he was drunk), and then the next morning the drunk man woke up and freaked the fuck out and ran the hell away (like a sane fucking person). However, your nephew spent the next possibly 3-6 years looking for him... and look cute ending!!
The uncle new exactly what happened, he was just pushing Hiroki's buttons to get him to confess, since Kurosawa was hiding somewhere and listening in (they planned it that way). At the same time the uncle was just confirming that Hiroki wasn't only after the money.
I pretty sure the Uncle believes his nephew was wronged because he was trying to prove the uke is using the seme which he stated that he failed at. Secondly why would you assume someone who had a one night stand and ran away, and then tried to deny it for years until it was forced out of him would needs his nephews money.If he wanted one money couldn't he have just blackmailed him? Frankly I simply think the Uncle is quite delusional to the fact it's his nephew's way of pursuing this man is not also forceful , but can be considered creepy. I still like the story though.
i haven't thought about it as much as you have, but I think you're right that the Uncle blames the Uke and thinks it was his intention to use his Nephew in the past and then use him now for his money (sorry i forget their names lol)
Well the uncle knew exactly who Hiroki was since his nephew told him about the one night stand and how he ran afterwards in the past. Because of that he had Hiroki investigated in the past and he learned about his family economic situation, but since Hiroki never looked for Kurosawa he just let it go. Now in the present the uncle suddenly learned about his reappearance in Kurosawas life not only that he works at the same company and he just moved to live with him; so of course those facts are going to arouse suspicions of whether Hiroki loves Kurosawa or if he is after the money like some of his other partners. That's when the uncle tease Hiroki by writing a check but his expectations of Hiroki accepting the money are turned down when Hiroki tore the check and told him he was not after Kurosawa's money and that he wasn't sure about his feelings but he wanted to know more about Kurosawa.
Actually Hiroki did consented to the sexual act because he was drunk as hell, or better say he went with the flow. After he woke up, realized he did something he wouldn't do if he were sober. There's no forced sex in this story.
Yup I think you hit the nail on the head. Despite the rationality in the OP's post, the uncle wasn't thinking that deeply about the MC's circumstances. He was more worried that his nephew would be used again. I can't imagine how he must have felt when he realized that the other party in the one night stand (who he'd probably assumed would never show up again) was not only working with his nephew, but living with him as well. Even the most logical person probably couldn't help suspecting foul play, despite the initial circumstances.
My question is...if the seme didn't know his name or anything about him, and couldn't find him after years of searching for him....how did the uncle have him investigated and knew exactly who he was?
It has been awhile but, really. Let's hope this isn't your argument in court. Its like saying drunk driving is okay because it doesn't impair your judgment. People wouldn't be getting arrested all the time if this was true. Let's hope you have educated yourself about drugs and alcohol and how it effects the body by now.
The uncle should be more worried about his nephew getting hit with a rape lawsuit given that Nagato was clearly under the influence. He should be telling his nephew to not stir that pot because shit could have been hitting the fan if he made the wrong move. It was a good thing Nagato ended up liking him.