Story was too short, so I didn’t get as invested as I’d like. Smut was pretty good and parts weren’t egregiously large, which was a huge breath of fresh air. Kinda wish blonde was more expressive with facial emotions tho; was hard to see if she really cared much from her face. At least she was honest about her feelings tho, so that made up for it. And ex-gangster unnie was mega cute.
Weirdly ok with this even tho they have the dad/son thing going on probably because they show how they 1) aren’t actually and 2) are both mentally really not all there. Oh plus 3) there was a HUGE gap of separation so he didn’t actually get to raise him like a family would for most of his formative years.
Like from Nanmun (I’m messing that up), he was abused by a cult in his childhood and then raised by a deranged gangster = def not typical mental development, so then his whole thing with wanting a fam is his one and only dream/goal, so he can’t lose that connection, even if he’s in love with Pul-Gyun (think I got that one right).
And from Pul-Gyun, he was a huge case of child neglect and abuse from the caretakers he spent most of his life with and only got 6 years with the one that actually cared, so of course he’ll hold onto Nanmun till the end of time. Plus the way that last uncle trained him to be deranged, just permalocked his mental development on the psychotic track.
These two will have to just build their own version of ‘normal’ and I feel like the story does a good job of portraying why they work well together despite all the unconventional things people see in their relationship. Honestly, I just MEGA commend the brothers that don’t hide Nanmun for this relationship and recognize that this is his only way of happiness. Like I would've thought more 3rd parties would kick a fuss, but was happy they never gave him flak for it.
Also I love the spice with this couple. Art is great, consent is always there (yes I know they’re not mentally all there, but it’s obvious they need eachother), and I love how they make both partners expressive and vulnerable throughout, clearly portraying their satisfaction and enjoyment. Being on the spectrum, I value it highly when emotions are conveyed well (especially during spicey time, since that’s often overlooked) through facial and body expressions, since it helps me learn what to look for when interacting with others and helps ease my social anxiety. This is also why I tend to read comics more than novels (though I do enjoy novels as well!).
Last note: the communication here is also pretty damn good once they each feel more stable in their connection, so it’s pretty endearing to see and doesn’t give me the ugh from the classic a.k.a overused ‘miscommunication to cause drama’ trope.
SO much of the bad is a result of shitty parenting..
TLDR: Yes, Cezar is a sick fuck, but the pope screwed up his development from WAY too young of an age for him to do anything about it now. Glad he’s offing him. Still, I do like this story to see how it all pans out. MEGA pissed that he’s back in the fucking building again tho.
Also fuck the pope hardcore for ruining those precious children and turning them into mental nutcases. For all we know, Cezar and Ruby could’ve ended up together if the pope didn’t torture him and make him think that punishment = love. Or maybe he could’ve actually been able to maintain a healthy sibling bond, regardless of neither of them having blood connections - maybe cezar is half brothers with Enzo? I think they have the same mom? Correct me if I’m wrong, I didn’t reread from the beginning. But now Cezar is just too traumatized and mentally askew to see past his obsession and Ruby ended up getting beaten from both her father AND the brother she actually loved, which made her almost too mentally unstable to figure out how to get out of that situation. Like I feel bad for the original Ruby who never made it out of that.
Crud, do we know the reincarnated chick’s name? I also forget around when she got into Ruby’s body. I’m on 134 (latest official translation), but only reread from 100, so I can’t remember if this stuff got addressed since it’s been a long time. If it hasn’t, then I’m curious if she’ll come out with this stuff to Iz.
As for Iz and Ellen’s dad, damn I get the loss of his wife was bad (first mentally and then physically - both weren’t pretty) plus the societal gender roles thing, but he really shouldn’t have neglected his kids so much. Like, dude, the kids need to be around eachother more and you need to be there for them if your wife can’t be (starting from when she became a danger to them). T-T
Also Freya… did her parents neglect her once her brother was born? Can’t remember, but I feel like we got some info on her family situation that also shows shitty parenting when it came to her - which can be seen by her being ok with manipulating people regardless of closeness as well as the blatant racism a lot of the country seems to have.
Not complaints about the story or writing. I actually like this story quite a bit since it does well with depicting the characters and ties events in well. My pissiness (like, pissed off ness - I realize this word could be read differently from a quick scan) at the pope just will not be quelled since he ruined so many peoples’ lives
Like the way he got from that overnight work trip showed great promise ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
Happy they’re now together and seem to have a handle on the pheromones. Pretty sure the parents will be chill with it too.. I want the bro’s side story to start up!! I NEED to know how that one night stand went down and see more of Joon’s story. This just kinda started to feel like the side chats story would interest me more than the main couple pretty early on, but the main are cute too.
Read up to 39 - ok, middle school (maybe hs for mc)? They’re only like maybe 3 yrs apart I figure (maybe 4? Have they said ages?). Just what COULD he have done to justify this? Like I don’t think there is anything that bad unless he did the same stuff to him or got him human trafficked or something. Like, if Park’s mom went crazy because of it maybe she felt guilty for not protecting her kid? I just don’t see what mc COULD have done that was as bad as this at that young of an age. Like even if he raped him, that’s no where near all this kidnapping, torture, and even getting other people to ruin him.
Like the mc is definetly a brawler, but they haven’t mentioned how he was with folks he got in bed with, so I need more info to guess the possibilities there.
Crud it’s been a while since I saw this. Dropped it after I think the 3rd time the dude had sex with his bf’s dad and STILL wasn’t coming clean. I hear later that the bf also ends up cheating but then the dad gets preggers anyway and the initial cheater ends up happily with the dad at the end.
Cheating isn’t my tea already, but the kicker for me on this was the dishonesty not only with his bf, but with himself. Like I’m chill if the char who cheats is open about it and acknowledges that it’s what they do or something (tons of folks are non-comital - TOTES OK. But like, be honest with partners about it so they’re on the same page and know what they’re signing up for). But this fucker literally keeps going while thinking that he’s a good guy who loves his boyfriend and he’s just trying not to hurt him (using timing as an excuse a lot), so it’s totes justified that he isn’t saying anything about him romping around with his dad.. Like, even AFTER he found out it was his dad, he didn’t commit to breaking it off with one of them (and if he chose the bf, then he’d need to come clean about the cheating still) and STILL acted as if he’s some good person who got stuck in a difficult situation. BITCH NO.
The first was a mistake, so I don’t get why you don’t go to him crying about it (it’s omegaverse - maybe they still could’ve worked it out since it’s probably more common in that universe with pheromone craziness). But the second?? And third, fourth, etc., etc.??? Even if you never tell him, you break up with him cuz he didn’t sign up for this trash.
And I don’t even want to go into the dad’s situation. Pretty sure I stopped after the romping post the family dinner (think that might’ve been the third time or something?) cuz I heard about the ‘happy’ ending with the baby and such and I didn’t want to hate more chars. Like as a parent, it was his responsibility to tell his kid about his cheating partner AT that family dinner if the cheater didn’t come clean by dessert.
Yeah so I was figuring that it’d take some drastic thing for Vincent to tell Paula he knows, like her leaving or something but I completely forgot about her sister existing and being an easy way to coax things along.
Also I should’ve let this sit for more than 3 weeks… gahhhhh
Not checking spoiler since it’s the top of the first panel (reading on mobile).
Maybe I’ve been reading BL too many days this week.. I see the huffing and I’m like ‘ooooh we’re gonna have one of THOSE starts’ *facepalm* It’s injured huffing, not spicy huffing… T-T
TLDR: 58 was the nail in the coffin for this one for me. It solidified that this story will epitomize rape and Stockholm syndrome. Artist used the wrong color pallet for this tragedy.
Rant/Explanation:
And don't get me wrong, I’m totes down for toxic and psychologically messed up stories 100%. But, like… own up to it? Don’t start putting flowers around the cuddle panels at the end of rape sessions. That’s legit trying to romanticize a fucked up situation. NOT fantasy (which folks are trying to use as an excuse). Fantasy is the world building, NOT the plot or portrayal of scenes. When folks keep pushing that fantasy means it’s ok to show rape as redeemable and Stockholm syndrome as potentially ok (although this work is trying to make it endearing even with the flowery art), that makes me question their values as a person, because these are pretty big things to just skip over and nonchalantly wave away because it’s a story. A person wrote/drew this way, giving insight into their psyche.. which concerns me.
Note: Hogu Hagyeongsu, Killing Stalking, and even Jinx are FANTASTIC examples of psychological and even trauma related stories done well - I’m honestly surprised at how well Jinx has been handling its redemption arc from how bad it had the relationship start (disclaimer: I’ve only read up to ch 94 so far, so unaware of it messes up after that part). There’s others that do it well too, like Pawn’s Revenge, but I wanted to mention ones that had more of an imbalance of who was more sane (although KS kinda had both partners not being all there, but there’s a big difference between a stalker and a psychopathic serial killer), so they’d be more comparable to this work in terms of potential.
And how the hell would Asil not throw in his face that he’s holding his brother hostage the second the dude admits he has feelings for him and won’t do things he doesn’t want (when he said he wouldn’t have sex with him if he didn’t want it and he immediately said ‘then don’t’)?? His brother is the only person that hasn’t betrayed him and I’m pretty sure is one of the few reasons he hasn’t offed himself yet (maybe his sis is a reason too since she more directly threw him back in hell - but he knows that Valery did something messed up to force her to do that, even if he doesn’t know exactly what).
Don’t know if I’ll bother finishing this since it looks like it’s gearing to have them end up together while they’re still young. Like even in effed up relationships, I see the one true lead in the story as the one that got abused so their happy ending would be without their abuser either permanently or for DECADES (30+ years) so they enjoy finding happiness and living a life while the abuser suffers being without them (and potentially even knowing that they’re SO much happier WITHOUT them - depends on how the relationship is and the type of mental confuckulation the abuser has) and then MAYBE they can get with a majorly reformed (and probably still broken, but maybe in a way that’s now in their benefit) version of said abuser. THAT’S my fairy tale ending (since people actually suffer consequences in that case, unlike how fucked up people get away with things because of money or society being a mess in the real world). Or, y’know just keep the messed up endings but make it obvious to the reader that, yes it’s unfortunate but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
God, those rape flowers really disturbed the crap outta me.
THAT didn’t take long for a hound to start figuring out already XD. So much for preventing jealousy
Aaaaaand I’m pretty sure Ethan is in love with her now. Hot damn, got 2 brothers and their bestie falling over for her. Also I don’t see her coming clean about her identity on her own. I think either Vincent will come out with it if she plans to leave (and he’ll obv freak), since he’s still a noble (and seemingly still has a noble’s mindset - hence why he never romanced her even when blind) and I don’t think he’d pursue her romantically without a trigger to make him afraid of losing her again, OR Violet will make an entrance and I don’t think she’d stay quiet about it AT ALL. Like maaaaaybe if Paula freaked at her to keep it a secret she might, but I don’t think she’d keep it a secret for more than a couple days or a week max.
Still love this story. Tempted to read the novel since I heard there’s a few differences (didn’t sound like any huge ones tho).
STRIKING similarity in vibe and especially the ending to the second couple of Sensitive Pornograph (usagi and the pet sitter) if they actually had a bit more of a story made for them. Like how he showed up at the end there was basically the same exact look as the dude did in SP
FAQ STARTED FEB 16 / UP TO DATE MAR 10/ LAST EDIT MARCH 22
Changes: I'M NOT UPDATING THIS ANYMORE UNLESS THERES A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT
SUMMARY:
・ONLY RATED/TAGGED IS COMING BACK. THE REST IS NOT. (disk crash/ info loss)
・NO. This was not done on purpose. Don’t send hate to the developers!
・Please be careful when editing your lists! More info below.
・The only way to recover the rest of your lists now is to do it manually.
・Make a back-up of your lists off-site! (spreadsheet/ mangaupdates/ etc.)
ㅤ‣ 'lists' will refer to your 'read/reading/already read’ lists
ㅤ‣ while 'custom lists' will refer to these lists: http://www.mangago.me/listtag/
Disclaimer: I AM NOT A MOD OR DEVELOPER! Extended disclaimer below.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A QUESTION DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD PLEASE
The list recovery info is outdated now, but I recommend you read Suujin's FAQ too!
https://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/21080691/
=~=~+~=~= WHAT HAPPENED =~=~+~=~=
Q: What happened? Why is my read/ reading/ want to read list gone?
・EVERYONE'S lists disappeared after MGGO crashed JAN 26 likely due to traffic
・The developers were recovering lists, but the disk containing list data crashed + data was lost.
ㅤ‣ Proof http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/21155166
ㅤ‣ Photo Proof http://www.mangago.me/home/photo/50674750
・They can only recover stuff to your lists via rated/tagged receipts after ~Feb 4
ㅤ‣ Before Feb 4, you may have gotten unrated/untagged works back.
・This data loss is likely why the site recovery is taking longer than usual.
Still don't understand? http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/21091022/ (ty seabi)
In regard to the site future: http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/21014248/
・The situation with THAT SITE is scary, but I believe this site will stay up as it always has.
・Just remember, this site isn't legal anyways, so it’s a good idea to back stuff up!
=~=~+~=~= EDITING LISTS =~=~+~=~=
Q: Can I edit my lists? (Yes? but…)
・Yes, but be careful please and make a back-up off-site. I have seen users have issues
・You may have issues, you may not. But I wouldn’t say everyone is 100% safe
・A common issue is stuff disappearing after you added it, so follow the advice below.
・If you’re recovering your lists, I have suggestions in [OTHER QUESTIONS]
・If you’re paranoid like me, you don’t have to touch your lists. It’s honestly safer to not.
・Devs may still be recovering stuff. If you re-add something it overwrites the original date.
When editing/ adding stuff please:
ㅤ‣ After adding an entry, go to that list to check it is there.
ㅤ‣ If not, refresh after ~10 seconds. If still not there, add it again.
ㅤ‣ Update your off-site backup whenever you change something.
ㅤ‣ If it still gets deleted after you confirmed it was in your lists, DM me.
List of issues I’ve seen here: http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/21451186/
EXPORT: User Gurl (www.mangago.me/home/people/3402357) has created a way to export your lists
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Drj0CviUhrAmZlU-DC-AtxGFQoH1_PYQ81b2Vzu82w/
=~=~+~=~= MORE ON LISTS =~=~+~=~=
Q: But I heard we were getting everything back? (OUTDATED)
・After list data was lost, it was confirmed we're not getting EVERYTHING back ANYMORE.
・They managed to recover up to early 2022 before the disk crash last I heard.
Q: Why is everything in ‘Already read’ + Why is deleted stuff back?
・Everything was seemingly being added to 'already read' before list data was lost.
・SPECULATIVE: Unrated but tagged: goes to “Want to read.” If both: goes to “Already Read”
・They are likely recovering stuff to your lists if it has ever been marked as being in there.
・A user had works recovered to their lists that have been deleted off the site.
=~=~+ COMMON ISSUES + SITE RECOVERY + NOTIFICATIONS? +~=~=
Q: I commented OR added something to my list/ custom list/ album why is it not showing up?
・The database + what you're seeing aren't synced due to the site recovery. (Suujin's FAQ)
・You might need to wait ~20 seconds then refresh to see if it's updated.
・If it's not there, try again + refresh again. Sometimes it just won't go through at all.
・Sometimes, the entry just won’t go through. (CAN HAPPEN TO LISTS)
Q: Why am I constantly getting logged out?
・This seems to be a mobile-only issue. Maybe read on PC for no interruptions.
・Something about the login session not being tracked properly. (see Suujin's FAQ)
Q: Are they still recovering my lists? (Maybe)
・As long as the works were rated or tagged. With no announcement, it's safe to assume it's ongoing.
・Even if list recovery is over, the site recovery is still ongoing
・Why I think so: a few users have books added years ago in between recent entries. Likely recovered.
・A user had a 2011 entry in between Mar 6/26 entries. They think it might’ve been recovered.
・If you *know* you tagged/rated stuff and it’s not back yet, you may just need to wait.
・If they aren’t back AFTER they announce everything’s ok, maybe send them an email.
Q: What about my notifications?
・Stuff is not in your lists (notifications only come from 'reading' and 'already read')
・The notification system is just not working properly. (Seems so after Mar 9 issues)
・You aren't subscribed to the title.
・You might not get notifications sometimes, so I suggest:
ㅤ‣ Checking your history and looking for the "have new update after your last reading"
ㅤ‣ Remembering the update schedule of your favourite works/ check them weekly.
=~=~+~=~= OTHER QUESTIONS =~=~+~=~=
Q: What can I do to recover my lost titles (MANUAL)
・Go through your comments/ on-site history/ lists, etc.
・Check your browser history. Most browsers only save up to ~3 months of history.
・Go through lists with tags you're interested in (www.mangago.me/listtag/)
・Ask for some stuff in the questions section! Some people have lists they'd like to share or remember titles you've forgotten.
Q: What about the comments section + my personalised comments?
・There is no information on when/if this is coming back. They might not.
Q: Can I email someone? (TLDR: DO NOT!!!!) + Uploading new manga
・I suggest not. The developers are very busy and haven't been responding since mid Feb.
・It's expected as they're a small team and this is a big site.
Due to this, uploading new manga is seemingly on hold, but here is a guide anyways
http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/1077438/ (Method is in page 7 of the comments)
You might need to email them again after they announce they’ve stopped working on stuff.
=~=~+~=~= REMINDERS =~=~+~=~=
・We do not know what state the devs are at with site + lists recovery, especially after the disk crash
・There is no confirmation if recovery is over
・There is no timeline as to when stuff will be fixed
・The site is still unstable - you may come across issues.
・I am not a developer/ insider - I can't fully confirm/ deny things
=~=~+~=~= DISCLAIMER =~=~+~=~=
I’ve seen people saying… things about me so I made this disclaimer.
This FAQ is created based on user’s experiences + theories from users with backgrounds in IT. I’m trying to make sense of stuff based on what little information we have and hopefully provide answers to confused users. I never said my words were strictly the truth. I always say 'maybe’.
I can't confirm nor deny if lists are safe to edit. I’m not a developer. It’s been a month without major issues, so I’ve changed my opinion. But based on recent user experiences, I still advise people to be careful
=~=~+~=~= THANK YOU + QUESTIONS FOR ME =~=~+~=~=
I'll be editing this to include answers to more questions I've seen + any new info.
After an edit, comments get wiped until someone comments again.
Also thank you to everyone sharing this link + other's links! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
If anyone has any other information they'd like me to include + want to share, DM me!
If you think something isn't explained well/ I need to re-write for clarity + you have something you want me to add, DM me through the site.
IF YOU DON’T HAVE A QUESTION, DON’T REPLY TO THE THREAD!!!
=~=~+~=~= RECENT UPDATE =~=~+~=~=
MARCH 10: I’ve made major edits here. If you can’t understand it anymore, please let me know
Please don’t get mad at me for changing my opinion on editing lists. I’ve been thinking of changing my advice since the end of February, especially as some people have been okay. But as others faced issues, I was torn. I was also scared to change it because I would possibly face backlash, and it went against someone’s advice. I’m sorry. You’re allowed to be upset with me, just don’t attack me please.
This situation has overwhelmed me. I might take a few days off from the site, so if you need to contact me, please DM me.
Someone emailed the devs and apparently got a response saying it was okay to edit lists. This was a while ago. I don’t know how I missed that information. I'm sorry. I still advise you to be careful though, due to the issues I’ve seen.
MARCH 22: Yea, I've been really happy lately now that I'm not dealing with this, so I'm going to completely stop keeping track of the situation. Ts genuinely ruined my mental, even though it wasn't that serious (〜￣△￣)〜
For some reason, ALL the manga I had saved as Reading or Want to Read are no longer there, but I'm finding many manga that I know I was reading (and had notes letting me know where I left off and current impressions) are now marked as Already Read, and all my notes are gone. So now I have no idea how many of these I actually completed or where I even left off with them.
This is a HUGE problem for me now. Has anyone else had this happen to their account?
If anyone has a fix that doesn't require me to do the completely unreasonable task of manually going through all og these again, or just deleting my account and restarting (basically the same thing), PLEASE I need help.
Dear god, why does Sungtek always have to look possessed when he has sex XD
Ch. 47 only has 19 pages, whereas other chapters have around 50 and Ch.48 starts with a scene that makes it obvious we missed quite a bit from where 47 left off.
So yeah the FL isn’t my type o gal (personality wise), and Isaac is way more patient and loving that I would’ve expected, and eff that godfather. I will still say it was worth going through all 59 up now. Took 50 chaps, but she’s FINALLY remembering things and getting more interesting to me now, so I’m alright with the wait.
The pages for ch 41 got submitted in reverse order, so it doesn’t work well with multi-pages. Until it’s fixed (if it gets fixed), just turn off multipages, go to the last page, and read by using the previous page button.