So I still have quite a bit to read. But I just wanted to say that this is probably one of the only non-toxic representation of masculinity. I adore it. It's similar to "The ultimate shut-in". These male mcs take care of their family, their community & isn't worried about being replaced. We have multiple characters being so relevant to the story. This is how you write an apocalyptic story
I read all 7 chapters expecting a rape to destroy the innocent mc. Its like an axe hanging over our heads. I hope it doesn't take that turn but I fear it might!
So basically the demon king of slaughter saga. Boring as fuck. Caron doesn't no anything. He swings his Sword so causally in a boss fight and monologues in most of the panels. The elf saves him too many times and he doesn't even use his demonic Sword against demons !
Could not continue after this!
It's the art too. I think people may not read this manga because of the AI generated images. The dialogues are also generic. Makes me think if this whole thing is AI garbage
So you know how there is that manga named "Swordmaster's youngest son" with the Runcandels & Zippels etc. That manga convinces me as a reader how grim these houses & their practices are.
On the other hand, all the other characters in this manga keep saying "how crazy the Restons are". I'm like, "dude! What part of you is crazy? U're bland as fuck". ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
The foreshadowing of romance with Misha is what is spoiling this manga!
1. Firstly, if we had to be technical about things, Erwin the elf was his 1st teammate. The author has always shown Jandel displaying immense affection, care, concern & protectiveness towards his teammates. For some reason it simply doesn't extent to Erwin. Like fanservice for fans who ship Jandel with Misha #－.－)
2. Secondly, everything about Erwin goes through Misha as if Misha is his wife & Jandel needs permission. #－.－) The irritating part is when someone was your former teammate & their family died & they are alone, & u were entrusted with their welfare, u bloody fucking bring her to the hosue so she is not alone! Help her with the fucking funeral! Do not fucking abandon your friend to please fucking Misha!. Don't fucking make it so obvious that Misha is the final romantic interest so much so that Jandel cant even show basic decency towards a friend. This manga isn't about romance as the central point! Such fucking cheap romance not even a good one!
Well yknow he’s an evil spirit, I think they’d probably betray him if they ever figure out.. Shippable characters, but they wouldn’t work out in the end
If I remember correctly though they’re friends I think he felt quite hurt when Erwin chose to not be team members anymore and instead follow her sister who wasn’t shy about disliking bjorn. Leaving him completely alone to build another team from scratch. When he met Erwin again she acted crazy eyed obsessed with him and became incredibly creepy (he still doesn’t know about her essence). Thus any minute affection he displayed towards her could be wildly misinterpreted and amplified.
I know right! I really don't know what the author is imagining with this ship! Jandel has knowingly killed many of his kin. How is this romance ever supposed to fly even if for some crazy instance they do accept him. That's why this "wifely misha" images is just sending me to rage
I think we read the same chapters differently. Jandel has always come across as not particularly attached to anything or anyone because of his "evil spirit" status. But I appreciated that he had honour & always treated his teammates with affection & care.
For this elf teammate, Jandel did not seem hurt by her decision to join her sister. He even understood her decision. But when someone has gone through life & death with you, its just not done how the author portrayed the scene of Jandel being a scum when a friend needed u to be there. She was literally catatonic. A hug doesn't solve the fucking problem. A friend would make the funeral arrangements. A friend would make sure you are fed, warm in a bed & is not wasting away. This entire scene should have been framed the way Dwalki's death was--with grief! But it became another scene of "Misha the wife" cooking & romantic filters on the panels!
As for the author, the decision to remove the elf after the 1st arc was a weird decision for me. Maybe this manga was launched & the readers did not find the female appealing & suddenly in a twist, she was hoisted onto a domineering big sister. N replaced by a Misha who behaves like a typical harem girl, worshipping Jandel & adores him blindly & he can make her do anything. She is ready to give to give her body & soul & devote herself to Jandel. The elf, on the other seemed more "non-sexual", has a big sister who will not allow her to be a "pick me simp", even calls Jandel "mister" & probably makes the male readers feel like an uncle. N this is probably what male readers want in Misha--a woman who wants to be wived up with no demands from the man; still look sexy & support all his decisions & be available to him all the time. Also be so insecure becaus her family does not accept her, so Jandel is her whole world. Everything about Misha, isolates her from the world for Jandel.
I agree. We read the same chapters differently.
Everytime I read the comment & I see readers shipping Misha & Jandel or Jandel with any of the other females in this story, I think about how he is an evil spirit too & they would turn on him faster than they can blink. There can be no world where Jandel gets his happy ending as his true self with his full identity known in the story of this manga
I really don't know about this manga coz I just started & already we have an adult mc pretending she can't pronounce words after she is on her 4th life (⊙…⊙ ). Its simply impossible for someone with that sort of mental age unless she has been born with physical deformity in her tongue or mouth, which she clearly hasnt been. There is no reason why she can't speak normally.
you must not be familiar with child biology, they physically do not have fully developed mouth and tongue muscles so regardless of her mental knowledge, physically she cannot properly speak.
also there are times in this story when she purposely acts how an actual child would act so as to fool or convince the people around her.
hell even as an adult there are times when we are unable to say the exact words we think properly. i dunno how many times i've meant to say one thing but it came out my mouth different than what i intended.
Lol are you a child specialist then? Srsly if u are let me know. Either way, my comment was based on several possibilities I considered. They are as follows:
1. Mc is an actual child with fragmented & scattered memories of her previous lives & she can't make sense of them. These memories may even terrify them as she probably remembered the pain & suffering from her previous lives. Thus, the idea that she would genuinely baby talk is highly possible. (THIS IS REJECTED BECAUSE BOTH ARE UNTRUE)
2. Mc was born in a child's body, she remembers her past lives not in a fragmented way. She has clear-cut memories of the full scale of all her past lives, so much so that she even remembers random events & characters. She schemes & reasons like an adult. She has physical deformity in her mouth & vocal muscles that disallowed her from not speaking normally. (THIS IS ALSO REJECTED AS THE LAST PART IS UNTRUE)
3. Mc was born in a child's body, she remembers her past lives not in a fragmented way. She has clear-cut memories of the full scale of all her past lives, so much so that she even remembers random events & characters. She schemes & reasons like an adult. Sometimes she even uses her baby-talk to charm adults & get her way. This is deliberate & thus, its possible.
WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE---
All of the variables in No. 3 but the "mc pretends to be an actual baby who baby-talks bevause she cant talk normal" with---
A. Full adult reasoning
B. Language proficiency in several languages that she can read & write them
C. Understands complex concepts with adult level cognition & memory
D. Let's not forget---the most important part--- THE AUTHOR HAS NOT ESTABLISHED A CLEAR PHYSIOLOGICAL PROBLEM WITH THE MC'S BODY
For me as a reader, those are severe inconsistencies. So yes, I do find the baby-talk when used by the mc with the reason "I am a baby" not acceptable, because it is not deliberate. The author is using it just to indicate that she is a baby and to get the story going. But it is a big black hole of an inconsistency ! ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
It’s a reincarnation manhwa The story literally explains that thinking like an adult consumes her mental energy, so when she’s tired or hungry, she becomes more childlike. You can dislike the baby talk, but demanding real-world physiological accuracy from fictional reincarnation mechanics is a bit much It’s just funny how seriously you’re taking it and practically writing a dissertation over it. At some point, it’s fiction... it is what it is
Lol I did write a shorter one but people were not satisfied so
I'd rather her baby talk than be like other manhwas where the reincarnated character is speaking in full sentences and doing their taxes while still in the crib. That's uncanny as hell. I remember in Lady Baby this was especially egregious, eugh, if I had a child like that I'd call the church to exorcise the demon lol.
Yes lady baby was creepy as hell & the ml was ever more creepier. But u see the points above, the issue is not the baby talk. The issue is the technicalities of the baby talk being a possibility or not.
HAHAHHAHA HOLY SHIT WHY IS THIS FUNNY AS HELL! I'D PROBABLY CALL THE CHURCH TOO
A simple Google search could answer if a baby could talk properly if they know how to pronounce the words... I'll just copy paste the answer what I got from Google
"No, a baby does not have fully developed mouth muscles or the precise coordination needed to say complex, proper words, even if they somehow understood how to pronounce them.
Why Babies Cannot Pronounce Everything Right Away
Underdeveloped oral motor muscles: The muscles in a baby's lips, tongue, cheeks, and jaw are still weak and growing. They need time and practice—often through eating textured foods—to build the strength required for clear speech.
Lack of fine motor coordination: Speaking requires lightning-fast, precise control of the tongue and mouth positions. A baby's brain and nervous system (specifically areas like the cerebellum) are still developing the fine motor skills needed for these complex movements.
Anatomical differences: An infant's vocal tract and larynx (voice box) are shaped differently than an adult's, which naturally limits the types of sounds they can physically produce early on."
Ngl are u stupid? How old even r u, even without being a "child specialist" it's normal biology that kids can't control their tounge well to pronounce words properly even if they know how to or understand them, like do u think a kid says pway instead of play because they think it's pronounced like that? They know it's "play" but they could only say "pway"
Lady Baby was haunting lmao
Imagine your rapist falling in love with you & then tries to emotionally blackmail you into a relationship with him after doing all that! Yikes, no!
legit
Srsly there are couple of people who literally unliked my comment, guess they're going to bed with their rapist #－.－)
Lol theres fr a bunch if people who believe this story has no rape and feel completely sorry for mokyeon as if he wasnt the problem
Don’t read simple
Lol so only those readers who love rape should read?
I'm glad someone is pointing this .
Like yeah we are all reading this and having fun ,but we shouldn't lie to ourselves about what Mokyeon did ,he ignored Nanjo saying 'no' on two occasions ,blackmailed him to continue sleeping with him and even now as pathetic and pitiful as he is being ,it's still blackmail and guilt tripping . Like yeah 'pretty man crying' and we can enjoy the story without thinking too hard ,but we shouldn't play mental gymnastics about the real life implications of Mokyeon's actions .
More like he fell for him so he started what he did. But yeah this is literally this series' summary. No one is denying that lol. It's either your cup of tea, or isn't. But it's really weird that you're linking what people like reading to their real life relationships.
Character development exist here in this story, and we’re here for that, if someone don’t like something don’t get involved with it , both of them are main characters here what do you want from them to choose other partners when they are main characters.
It's called hyperbolic argument, look it up lmao. The idea that Mokyeon is a handsome ml & thus absolved from all his many sins and deserve the love of his rabid fans here is so absurd that one has to resort to dry hyperbolic humou
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Also everything is theoretical here. Why is it okay for people to support rape in literature? Is that somehow better for the victim?
My issue is your suggestion for everyone who only agree with the story's development to read lmao. How ridiculous!
Readers read because they enjoy the process. Not every reaction has to be an agreement. But to deny others the right to read simply because they disagreed, that is the issue here. I do not deny you the right to live Mokyeon as much as u want. That is your prerogative as a reader, despite how disturbing that appears to me.
On the other hand, there is no coming back from rape. You can have character development sure but it cant be in a manga that has a tag of "romance". Now this is my personal stance. U may agree or disagree, & it doesn't affect the reading process of those don't agree
Hyperbolic? More like narrow-sighted lol
No one is "supporting" rape here. It's just a plot tool.
Why is it okay for people to support violence, murder, war, delinquency, suicide, etc in literature? They are all equaly heinous crimes yet you see people rooting for a serial killer MC or ML like he's an angel. And we factually know that these people aren't going with their murderer to bed ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Tldr people have the freedom to read what they enjoy in fiction. They disliked your comment? Big deal! Just move on.
100% agreed. Some readers are even spamming under my comment in defence of their beloved rapist mc, denying me even the use of communicative method just because they don't know how to get their point across without shutting down someone the right to use their voice. Lmao
Lmao! Instead of moving on as u suggest to me, u specifically came to spam under my comment because u feel lukewarm about a rapist as an mc & I don't. I particularly dislike the normalisation of rape in literature works like these and so I wrote a comment. N is it so strange that I found people disliking a comment that speaks against romanticizing rapist characters in works like these so absurd & hence my follow-up comments?
N lol u seem to have no idea about hyperbolic tools when stating a point. Its when u inflate a point to a ridiculous level so u can reveal the illogical stance of the other person. N it was method I used to indicate that if we don't accept rapists in reality, why should we moralise such persons even in literature? One would assume it is implied lol ╮(￣▽￣)╭
and lol again for you, a reader who doesn't support Mokyeon the rapist is "narrow-minded" & u want me "to move on?". I get it, we dont have same views on the way this author is developing her work. I would prefer Mokyeon is just an after note after what he did. U obviously don't want that as is observed from your 1st comment. Seems my preference doesn't sit right with u
I like how you're giving definitions and acting higher than thou when you don't even know basic discussion dunamics? Spamming for making a reply on your comment?
Respectfully while I get your point .
Rape is probably the most dehumanizing form of violence and depiction in fiction
Mate ,again while I get what you are saying ,this isn't criticism towards people reading the story ,it's just a friendly reminder to young readers that while mokyeon in fiction is fun to read ,a real life Mokyeon is a nightmare ,we can turn our critical thinking off and enjoy the plot without genuinely forgetting the real implications
It's been more than 400 chapters. That's too long for a side villian like mioru to keep living. Plz let this be her death arc !