I will miss this story, as its been a favorite of mine for years but I will not miss what it became.
Congrats on their union <3
This chapter felt like a "readers, I support trans people :'( and trans people? *PLEASE* don't kill yourself :'(((" while also creating the idea that whether a transwoman is pre or post op is important(it isnt). Fuck "it's realistic" it's just fucking bizarre imo. Woohoo trans rep in a manhwa but also the way they addressed it was completely unnecessary. Sincerely, a trans person
Tl;dr it's just awkward to read, especially as a trans person. There are so many better ways to address this issue then introducing it with transphobic comments.
The manga DID say that pre and post-op isn’t important — the guys looking at the two ignorant dudes were thinking this was all pointless and the blonde guy that slept with her said it didn’t matter to him.
Also personally I like this manhwa’s approach where it’s honest about how even friendly well-meaning dudes can say some pretty ignorant stuff, rather than having a whole cast of socially aware guys. Storytelling-wise the topic it talks about isn’t any different from all the other issues the manhwa talks about, like the girl that liked pegging or the dad who is doing sex work for his daughter.
I understand that but I think you're missing the point. It was unnecessary how it was portrayed. It would've been more interesting if it was used as a more active learning moment if the characters thinking "this is ridiculous and pointless" were more up and open about it, confrontational even. Rolling your eyes and not explaining to them why they're being weird and ignorant about trans people is not honest. It's passive storytelling. And assuming that your audience understands what is being talked about and understands fully why what they said was ignorant and stupid would be better then- "Oh well it didn't matter to the guy she had sex with and they were both wrong in trying to clock trans people just by looking at them. So clearly stereotypes are the wrong way to go". The whole point was that it was unnecessary to have these characters just be like "oh the boys are being boys again" and proceed to resolve it with the framing that it had just felt awkward and out of place to me. I appreciate the representation! I really do, but the author could've done better.
I appreciate the response and push back though
Imagine plot twist the author is trans and tried to put their own rep in a casual way while lightly adressing transphobia
we can never please you, can we
Idk. As a trans person, it got me really emotional, but not in a "bad" way. I appreciated the chapter.
1 mean, I think it’s a pretty good way of storytelling seeing as it’s show don’t tell. Personally, I like it better when an author doesn’t tell you in explicit words that “That wasn’t very cool guys because…” Instead it showed the audience the reality of what trans ppl hear day to day about themselves and proved how wrong it was. Ofc to each their own tho, this is just my take on it !!
It was amazing in its own way actually that the girl turned out to be post-op bc a lot of ppl are freaked out about post-op trans bodies
Do you understand that I am critiquing? I said multiple times that I appreciate the chapter and representation. But that I will not bypass poor treatment of trans characters simply because trans people exist in media for once.
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He starts crying about the most pathetic shit when he's literally wearing a dudes face. Goddamnit Mujin. What the fuck.
As much as I was thrown off by the huge amount of ass, Mujin needs to chill tf out high-key. Like obviously I knew he was gonna do that, but fuck. Goddamnit Mujin.
LMAOOO “thrown off by the huge amt of ass” HAAHAHAHHA IM DEAD
He is a god, so he cant chill out xD
I'm over here still surprised he gave him a second chance, not only is he an asshole who raped Jooin, he treated him like a prostitute. Now the blatant homophobia. What's next?
I love polyamory, but for this particular story I'm not sure if I should be mad or if I should just accept the fact they pushed themselves onto him even if he gave no consent whatsoever.
Somehow despite that, he's having a good day. Good for him, at least he's having fun.
I know, for some reason it really bothers me here even though normally I wouldn't care.
Can someone bring me up to speed with this story? I last read it back when it had its long hiatus. I can see that Jooin is still doing his usual bullshit with yahwi despite many chapters of him being pissed and him having his emotional smack down with Yahwi. Which seems like it was unsuccessful and fell apart somewhere
SPOILERS
yahwi is endgame. Basically jooin leaves yahwi - he has massive character development- and tells cain he’s better of without him and so he’s single for like 6 years then meets yahwi by chance and they end up together
Returning exactly to square one isn't called character development. At least not in this universe.
Yeah LOL leaving an abusive relationship for 6 years only to return is the absolute lack of character development. That sucks though. I had hopes that Jooin might get with Cain or leave both of them for his own well-being.
Now I know it's not worth rereading to catch up
Yahwi DID have character development?? he realised his actions, left jooin alone for 6 years even tho he always loved him and met him again by chance, non stop apologised to him and changed his ways. I still don’t believe they should’ve been endgame but he did have development.
Sure, the guy who just told the guy he used to rape that he went soft because he saw condoms in his drawer and called the fat stray cat with a plump ass just like him is certainly a "massive character development".
To you.
Oh my god that's so him. I completely agree with you here. Leaving a guy you harassed/bullied and sexually assaulted for 6 years is not a "charitable" or "loving" act. You don't rape or assault someone you love, especially deliberately. I think the excuse of "i love him so much but I must leave him :'(" is lazy storytelling because it does nothing but make you roll your eyes and pity his character. Mfer should've just left permanently out of guilt alone, or idk apologized immediately(either of which would've actually been character development!!!)instead of waiting a 6 years just to kiss Jooin's boots and slither his way back into Jooins life. Anyway I'm rambling.
exactly this! lol he literally did all that bullshit just to end up right where he started