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I ALSO READ 116....BRO IM GETTING SO PISSED AT THIS STORY. .....wtf is happening why is the author hurting this boy so much...

I DON'T KNOW. I just don't get it. I am sure many people picked this up thinking it was going to be a chill read. Placing something so triggering also out of the blue is so vile by itself. Like if this was a horror manga, I would have expected this but never in a million years I saw this coming... how can someone be so heartless towards a character who tried commuting suicide... even if it's fiction, it's still really hard to digest and inhumane. At least for me.

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My problem is that the author attempted to vilify his character in the beginning and make the other characters out to be heroes or avengers or some sht. Mino deserves the most happiest ending .....F the main female bch honestly.

He was never as bad as the other two. Byun just ran his mouth a lot like a dog but didn't really bite, if that makes sense. Verbal abuse is not as bad.

I read some early translations and apparently Byun passed the writing of the megane chubby guy as his own. He also sold his tablet. Apparently used the rest of the money on betting horses while drunk. Because of that, however, he had to pay a fine or other measures will be taken. He contemplated committing suicide then went to Wookyung's publishing house to ask for money. Wookyung took him to his office and locked the door. He started to beat him up, saying things such as "It suits you when you're unhappy. Can you always be like this by my side?" as he punched his face and then kissed his cheek.

So he is broken down basically.....i dont think i can stomach any more chapters. He does not deserve this.

What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck

Bro that's taking it wayyy too far,,, poor byun

One of the reasons is that the author made Byun an insert for someone she hates irl. He's not a character, just something for the author to vent her frustrations on.

Thats messed up.... well it did the opposite for me... i frankly hate the main fl.... and now adore and want to protect Minho from these evil people. I didn't like Minho in the beginning...but after getting to know his background and why he is who he is... i learnt that he's just a normal guy whose stressed the f out in this corporate society of perfectionism....

where are yall viewing the raws from? from chapter 115, it seems that the story was following the purple haired girl so how did the story quickly flipped from there?

tbf. wookyung did this exact thing to minho early on in the comic run. so...this isnt out of character at all? its just a pity he didnt change his uh style of courtship in the almost 3 years since those panels of him kicking the shit out of minho in that i think dept store bathroom back in idk 2018?? i wasnt shocked that he did it just that it happened SO fast after finally getting ahold of minho but idk maybe he just likes punching his male lovers who can presume to know the mind of a perverted sociopath like wookyung? lol (plus the author said she loosely based him on HunterxHunter's hisoka. now...ive never watched that show, but by all accounts he is a bloodthirsty villain! so idt readers were mislead about what kind of guy WK was. its more like cause he's hot and charming sometimes u want him to be less of a psycho but alas he is just a hot psycho. but since this is fiction its ok, u can like the hot psycho. i wont judge u sis. lol) that said my real peeve is WHY hit such a handsome man in the face. where one its obvious he got beat up and two u will RUIN his face! this is vandalism if u ask me! (but also i think there's def some weird fetish going on here cause he's been beaten bloody at least 2-3x prior to this scene by diff charas in the pastwell ok just WK and Doona iirc)

i dont think this comic has ever had an ounce of chill...but i mean yeah it started off a bit lighter than it became but i think WK and Doona showed their dark sides within the first 20 chpts iirc? too lazy to double check but! the title isnt hinting at anything chill either imo. i mean is sadism ever chill even when its consenual? i mean its like the X games of sexy time. u watch/do it for the extreme highs and sensations. albeit doona def came off as less predatory early on even when she beat him up in that hotel the first time, it hit different back then cause well he was less sympthetic and she was still struggling in alot of ways. (lmao if fans are genuinely the reason that author constantly escalates minho's abuse and decided to make sure him and doona never happen. i suspect it was gonna be a polyamory/3some situation at first. or a love/hate thing. and then it became smth else...that said making art is hard who can blame her for wanting to feed the fangirls..)

EXACTLY!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!! WOOKYUNG???? A GREAT CHARACTER???? WHAT ARE SOME OF YOU GUYS EVEN SAYING HOLY SHIT!!!! This flashback literally shows Wookyung descend into some really fucked up dark desires with little to no remorse, that’s literally the earliest we see of him in this manga, he was never fine so how could he be ok later???? also are we really reading the same manhwa??? Because fucking hell does no one remember what happened the first time Wookyung got Minho??? He destroyed his professional life and drove him into a corner so he could possess his entire body for non consensual sexual violence??!!? That was a really fucked up arc and I was genuinely very scared and very afraid reading it. How does no one remember? If Minho didn’t escape then who the fuck know what would have happened to him, I genuinely feel like he would have end up being murdered by Wookyung while Woolyung was in the middle of sexually assaulting him. That was as bad as this ending, Wookyung has always been a fucking narcissistic sociopath, he gets off on the non consensual fear and violence, there is no bdsm there, it is plain assault, there was never anything ok about Wookyung, even when he met Doona the screws in his head were already fucking disintegrated with no hope for repair, this man planned and elaborate set up designed to make Minho have no options in life, professionally and personally, so he could posses him to inflict upon him sexual assault for as long as he feels like, or, let’s be real this isn’t a stretch, until Minho is dead. ALSO THE CHAPTERS WHERE WOOKYUNG DRIVES MINHO INTO A CORNER AND FORCES HIM TO BECOME A NON CONSENTING SEX SLAVE ISNT THAT FAR BACK IN THE TIMELINE SO HOW THE FUCK DID EVERYONE FORGET ABOUT THAT???????

I never said that. I just believed he'd change and do better. Out of all the characters he is the only one that could realise he did wrong on his own imo. I never saw him as bad as others did, mostly thought he got tempted and made a really bad mistake. But that's just me.

I mean to me hardcore BDSM is a chill read lol. That is a very subjective thing. The extreme high and sensations are quite chill for me because they are fun to read. Seeing suicide out of the blue is not really tho.

I 100% agree and see where you're coming from. I meant a great character in the fucked up horny kind of way. As in, he was very complex and had some emotional drama that if explored, would have been very interesting. I never equal being a great character with being a morally good character. A villain can be a great character if written well. I do remember but I still lied to myself and believed he'd do better. I just believed in him and in him realizing he did wrong. He could have as well go on a path where he realized BDSM can be exciting without rape and punching and maybe he could have filled the hole in his heart with actual love. I didn't want to see him fall like this again, he is a lot more rational than characters like Byun so i did hope things will turn out better for him. But they didn't. That's all.

a suicide attempt seemed like a logical next step for the narrative to take wrt minho. i assumed he would be stopped by something/someone (or give up cause of fear). i didnt want him to succeed nor did i want him to try to kill himself but i wasnt shocked at all that he did. wk is a sociopath like i've said in the past. but he's a well written one. because he's charming and capable of being affectionate and pass as a normal guy. but he has a darkness to him that clearly shows he's not a well adjusted human. and ofc uc an make that argument for multiple characaters in the series but i think the main diff between him and doona is, doona can find a healthy relationship because her natural inclination isnt to make people terrified and harm them. its clear her idea of domination and sadism is alot softer than wk's when we see how she acts with gyerin and haesol. all of her fucked up actions were with minho and that one time with jongwoo and wookyung and thats cause wookyung was being pretty mean to jongwoo and she decided to teach him a (very sexy) lesson. (note how utterly charmed jongwoo was with doona afterwards, too bad she wasnt over minho yet so we didnt get a jongwooxdoona arc lol. haesol is cute but jongwoo is more my type negl..) so like Doona is a messy person but not a sociopath. whereas WK literally cannot express or feel love like a normal person. he cant rly do sex that doesnt involve an element of violence. (i dont count spanking as violence but choking? beatings?). anyway i think he's hot and a great character too but there's no universe where he wasnt going to be horrible to minho. but like his last prolonged interaction with minho, his behavior didnt make sense for a person with some sense. he's not an impulsive wild man. its bizarre he would beat this man up right in his office of his workplace. literally the second after he gets him where he wants him. thats why i said carrot vs stick in my msgs to u earlier. wookyung's actions didnt bother me cause they were cruel (because he IS cruel lol. not always! but generally...he is a calculating mofo. a true machiavelli aka the "end justifies means" guy) but because they were STUPID. and screamed of writing shortcut. and yes def felt like the author was in a rush to have more minho suffering because its what the people want i guess? lol. but yeah i wasnt hurt by it im sorry you were so unhappy with the events but tbh it was expected that wookyung would be a vicious master, but just figured he'd more uh elegant about it? esp after what im told he said to haesol in the cafe that time. was him trying to change his approach to getting ahold of minho. but oh well. its not the first time the writer decided to change things up as she desires. at this point im happy when we get a good sex scene. and i didnt hate the haesolxdoona fuck in front of minho scene but the sex scenes between minho and doona after they started living together were kinda just...sad. if Yeonhee wants to torture Minho so much i just wish she'd make him less pathetic in the process. if he was a rich bastard with actual societal power then these scenes would hit different. but he's alrdy a sad sack broken down man and this chpt happening so soon after the scenes with doona in the bath and apartment was just...tiring. that said im still happy to see that crazy fucker Wookyung again. im ez to please i giss.

it wasnt far off in the timeline but it was seperated by years. if someone started the comic back when it first came about. its easy to forget what happened from then to now. i started reading this comic This year, around the summertime. so i rememebr very well but if i was soemone who started it back in the lezhin days (when that scene with wk and minho first happened) i would've surely forgotten most of it by now.
i think WK is a great character because he is truly a sociopath. he can be charming and pass as normal but he can also be calculating and vicious. he doesnt feel or express love like a normal person would or should. even his view of bdsm is rly distorted. altho doona was awful to minho. her fantasy of him in ch86 as well as her behavior with haesol and gyerin (and even jongwoo) indicates not only that she doesnt share wk's opinions on what's kinky and what isnt but also that she can and is usually a good and considerate sex partner. even when she fucked up early on with haesol she felt bad about it and apologized and they found a good rhythym after some bumps in their sexual relationship in the beginning. but wookyung has never seen what he did to minho or jongwoo or anything he does or thinks as bad or wrong. it seemed like he MIGHT be self reflecting in a scene (not yet in english) from a chpt in the 100s where wk talks a bit to haesol in a cafe about feeling regret towards past actions. ofc a sociopath doesnt feel regret (like in the DSM thats one of their distinguishing traits) so...naturally he just did the same thing he did the first time the second he saw minho. my issue with the scene was it made not a lick of sense that he'd break a man's nose in his workplace office. like...how does he plan to cover that up? like did people in the building not hear minho cry or scream? he coudlnt wait to take minho somewhere privately before beating him up? i also thought that scene with them in the dept store back in the beginning was absurd too. not cause WK isnt a scary bastard but because it seemed wildly convoluted and unnecessary (and ineffective) when just taking advantage of minho when he was drunk and naked in his (wk's) bed woulda been easier and less complicated. and then he could also blackmail minho with compromising photos. so yeah the arc was just Very silly. and in thsi case too his actions dont make no sense. he's supposed to be a smart guy no? but yeah i guess the author just wants to jump right into the next series of minho abuse scenes so i guess...shortcuts will need to be taken. smh!

Out of the blue in the sense that when I picked up the manhwa, I didn't expect it to get here. Right now, I know it made sense. I don't normally expect to see this kind of narrative in a porn BDSM manga that tbh I read because I wanted to see more pegging. Oh well, I know, that's why I said that I had lied to myself. I do agree with the rest 100%. I did want to see WK being a more elegant master, even with his vicious ways myself. Yeah, he is quite pathetic to the point where it's not satisfying anymore to see him getting tortured but I did want to see WK again, ofc. I'll try to distance myself and enjoy him for what he is and maybe turn off my brain from him hurting Byun for a bit when I read those chapters, if they're not going to get interrupted.

I've actually been reading it since the lezhin days and I read that arc a while ago, I suppose I only remember it because of how much it disturbed me and how terrified for Minho I felt, like how the others have been saying, it felt like reading a horror manga, I am pretty sure if Wookyung really captures Minho for good, Minho is going to end up dead, because the thrill-seeking aspect of a psychopath's behavior and all, how the stakes have to go higher and higher to feel the same high. What's going to end up happening to Minho is going to be actual torture, the man's life will be ruined, and once again, I firmly believe he will end up being killed by Minho as the stakes get higher and higher. I don't think Wookyung can love at all let alone not love like a normal person. I don't think he is a sociopath, I now think he is a psychopath, a very narcissistic one to boot. He has shown absolutely no remorse through his actions. I suppose he is a good character because he genuinely makes me scared and not a lot of characters have been able to do that. And, as you said, he really seems to be an idiot at times.

I've actually been reading it since the lezhin days and I read that arc a while ago, I suppose I only remember it because of how much it disturbed me and how terrified for Minho I felt, like how the others have been saying, it felt like reading a horror manga, I am pretty sure if Wookyung really captures Minho for good, Minho is going to end up dead, because the thrill-seeking aspect of a psychopath's behavior and all, how the stakes have to go higher and higher to feel the same high. What's going to end up happening to Minho is going to be actual torture, the man's life will be ruined, and once again, I firmly believe he will end up being killed by Minho as the stakes get higher and higher. I don't think Wookyung can love at all let alone not love like a normal person. I don't think he is a sociopath, I now think he is a psychopath, a very narcissistic one to boot. He has shown absolutely no remorse through his actions. I suppose he is a good character because he genuinely makes me scared and not a lot of characters have been able to do that. And, as you said, he really seems to be an idiot at times.

That's true, that really males sense, and it's interesting too because ironically we, the readers, were also manipulated by Wookyung's fake remorse and reflection, just like how anyone who has met Wookyung has been manipulated because he is a psychopath who is not being treated and has no thoughts of remorse or even the logic of remorse because he chooses not to follow it. That's kinda messed up and cool tbh.

I've actually been reading it since the lezhin days and I read that arc a while ago, I suppose I only remember it because of how much it disturbed me and how terrified for Minho I felt, like how the others have been saying, it felt like reading a horror manga, I am pretty sure if Wookyung really captures Minho for good, Minho is going to end up dead, because the thrill-seeking aspect of a psychopath's behavior and all, how the stakes have to go higher and higher to feel the same high. What's going to end up happening to Minho is going to be actual torture, the man's life will be ruined, and once again, I firmly believe he will end up being killed by Minho as the stakes get higher and higher. I don't think Wookyung can love at all let alone not love like a normal person. I don't think he is a sociopath, I now think he is a psychopath, a very narcissistic one to boot. He has shown absolutely no remorse through his actions. I suppose he is a good character because he genuinely makes me scared and not a lot of characters have been able to do that. And, as you said, he really seems to be an idiot at times.

realizing that the author based WK on a shounen manga villain (hisoka from hunterxhunter) really explains all u need 2 know lol. but yeah i dont think minho will die or be killed by wk unless the author writes that and i dont see why she would. ill be surprised if we ever get a wk/minho sex scene tbh or even see them again in the sides. but i could be wrong ofc. that said because these characters arent real what happens or wont happen to them is based entirely on author's discretion. also Psychopath doesnt exist anymore as a legitimate diagnosis based on DSM. u can still call him one but like...he's either a sociopath or he's not, psychopath is just a slang term now. anyway, how bad minho gets treated is up to our imaginations until the author decides to show us what living with wookyoung is like. i prefer not to dwell on it myself lol.

I don't think he is a sociopath.....he just has a very dysfunctional way of showing love but it's different for Doona. He let's her do whatever she wants to him.

not to knock ur point but why are u ashamed? its fiction and a webtoon. its there to entertain and engage its audience otherwise its failed at it's job. lol. imo this webtoon is kind of like a trashy soap opera that u just CANT look away from. i think its well written but everyone is so messy and the main thread of minho/doona is super toxic and dark. tbh everything outside of their dynamic isnt that bad? (like aside from that bizarro rapey shit wookyung tried to pull on minho way back in the lezhin days of this comic). like i would say its the right amount of angst and drama and sexy times for a comic about adults doing adult thigns 2 each other. it rly gets dark and problematic in the minho focused parts esp those involving doona in any way. doona while flawed always, doesnt rly treat anyone as badly as minho. she fucks up early on with haesol cause she genuinely has no clue how to handle him, he's a delicate and innocent inexperienced kid when they first meet. he's become alot more confident since then and also wins her heart after a while and we see how affectionate she can be and genuinely appreciates him. i think minho and doona just brought out the worst in each other. its sad. i do wonder sometimes if the author changed her goal for the story during the almost 2 year hiatus the comic went on becuz of the lezhin debacle. wookyung was more villainous and it seemed like minho/doona might Actually have a chance. oh well, no way to ever know lol. anyway i dont think anyone should apologize for liking a fictional story esp one that focuses alot of its page time to explicit sex scenes. i can only expect but so much sophistication from my porn lol

Ohh!! I am not actually ashamed at all. There were a lot of people sometime before that were always commenting to others that went like "it's just porn" and we shouldn't really look into the plot and stuff. It was more of a "well I am sorry I am invested, I think most people would get invested" so just "give me a break" .And also just a way of speaking. People tend to love trashy soap operas so on the contrary I wish people would be more honest. Like what if it's trashy, if it gets people invested and talking, then it's done its job, compared to a good, comfortable manga that is forgettable as hell. I saw a lot of people pretending as if they don't enjoy themselves while reading series like this, even if they get angry. But I am pretty sure they do. It has a little something to do with human nature and how much we enjoy fighting each other too. It is entertaining and addicting. I love stuff like this way more than boring shit. Wookyung is one of the best manhwa/manga and anime characters I've ever seen, I love him so much as well. And yknow I am normally a huge pervert and it takes a lot for me to get invested into series. The fact that this series got me speaks for itself. But hope this cleared out my point!