I don't think this question is particularly clear on its point, so I'll say that it depends.
everyone is subject to exploitation, it's just a question of what type of exploitation and to what degree. men suffer under patriarchy, because there is hierarchy among men that is acceptable to most men because belonging to the class of men still places t...... 2 reply
I think everyone is trying to stay in the middle ground saying "oh men and women suffer both" to sound smart and nuanced or something but its so clear that women suffer the MOST from the patriarchy. Like, I don't even know where to start. Women are assaulted, beaten and tortured everyday by men because of the patriarchy while misandry just hurts a ...... 4 reply
I originally was going to say both are true, except only willfully ignorant men should be judged yada yada yada I typed like a whole thing...
But then I realized something...
I think I actually DESPISE centering men's feelings when it comes to conversations about feminism.
Men don't suffer the way that women do under patriarchy, they just don't....... 1 reply
Short answer is that men suffer and benefit from the patriarchy. And because men benefit a lot from the patriarchy, they are unaware of it, or don't think it's a big deal. Thus, men would have to do a lot more deconstructing and reflection. It's not "owing a debt", it's just being aware, but some people like to think of it that way and then get ang...... reply
You took two different topics of feminism and made it choose one of the other scenario. Men suffering from the patriarchy too is an objective statement, but women are directly affected by the patriarchy. Yes, men do owe us women basic understanding that we are humans who have the same rights. “Is it feminism or misandry” doesn’t match your mo...... reply
I think they are being judged by the same system that wants to trap women into being housewives and submissive women. They always wanted to trap women into being useless but they are just know realising that if women don't do something, they have to (ex: women don't gain money? They have to, women don't do groceries? They have to, women don't do ta...... reply
Yes men suffer from the patriarchy but every single man that I've talked to, when discussing the patriarchy, only focuses on how THEY suffer from the patriarchy and how women have it so much easier. Oh really?? Who set up the system lmao??? #misandrist4life reply
debt what?
who pays?
how much?
who guilty?
from what origin?
judged on what criteria?
can we be a lil more concrete (￣∇￣")?
so no to (2), not because I'm against giving women a little headstart, but because of how vague it is.
also (1) is a verifiable documented effect that has been well-researched and discussed since the 1980s. it's not i...... 2 reply
