about first yaoi
Okay like, I know the story sucks ass and we're in a shitty position right now, but I can't stop reading. Why? Na-kyum. This absolute fucker just had to be my crush, help, I need to drop it istg this is unhealthy.
I didn't even get through the first chapter of this, http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ventham/ , and I'm already about to drop it. Who in their right mind decided to make a manga that had a serial killer rapist, that just so happens to look like Sangwoo. Like wtf, just when I was trying to forget Killing Stalking
This is fluff to repent for my sins.
Winter was coming. All the flowers that She knew of have already died, so what was she going to send her brother for his birthday!? She frantically looked around the manor to find at least 1, but she found nothing. And even if she knew what she wanted to give him the guy had almost every flower in existence! How In the world did her best friend keep up with this? he brings him a new flower every birthday even in the snow.
Autumn opened a window to let air in. She had no idea why she was so stressed. She stuck her head out of it and took a deep breath. she sighed.
she took her head back In but It wasn't that cold outside so she kept the window open letting the curtain billow in the wind.
"Why did It have to be a flower." She groaned. Her best friend Had told her what had happened, It was quite sad, to be honest, she wanted to help him feel better. And if there was anything to make the boy feel any better it would be flowers and plants. two things she had bad experiences with.
A knock on the door of her bedroom snapped her out of thought.
"Come in."
The door slowly swang opened as her housemate (think of it as a roommate but with a whole house and they are best friends) walked into the room.
She looked Sort of nervous as she had one hand behind her back. she stopped and stood there. Autumn was happy to see her.
"Jiru!" A bit too happy.
"I heard you talking to yourself and I will admit I was sort ears dropping on your conversation with 'him' so.."
"So...?"
Jiru smiled a bit "I brought you this." from behind her back she reveals a bouquet of yellow roses. Autumn's eyes lit up. She jumped for joy, they were perfect!.
"How did you get these!"
"I went through hell and back to get these in other words I had Gabbie grow me some."
Why the hell didn't she think of going to Gabbie. oh well, she had flowers now. she hugged Jiru tightly she was so thankful to have such a caring, and wonderful housemate.
(This one was way too long and gosh trying not to mention names is kinda hard IDK why Also I tried so don't bully me)
Winter was coming. All the flowers that She knew of have already died, so what was she going to send her brother for his birthday!? She frantically looked around the manor to find at least 1, but she found nothing. And even if she knew what she wanted to give him the guy had almost every flower in existence! How In the world did her best friend keep up with this? he brings him a new flower every birthday even in the snow.
Autumn opened a window to let air in. She had no idea why she was so stressed. She stuck her head out of it and took a deep breath. she sighed.
she took her head back In but It wasn't that cold outside so she kept the window open letting the curtain billow in the wind.
"Why did It have to be a flower." She groaned. Her best friend Had told her what had happened, It was quite sad, to be honest, she wanted to help him feel better. And if there was anything to make the boy feel any better it would be flowers and plants. two things she had bad experiences with.
A knock on the door of her bedroom snapped her out of thought.
"Come in."
The door slowly swang opened as her housemate (think of it as a roommate but with a whole house and they are best friends) walked into the room.
She looked Sort of nervous as she had one hand behind her back. she stopped and stood there. Autumn was happy to see her.
"Jiru!" A bit too happy.
"I heard you talking to yourself and I will admit I was sort ears dropping on your conversation with 'him' so.."
"So...?"
Jiru smiled a bit "I brought you this." from behind her back she reveals a bouquet of yellow roses. Autumn's eyes lit up. She jumped for joy, they were perfect!.
"How did you get these!"
"I went through hell and back to get these in other words I had Gabbie grow me some."
Why the hell didn't she think of going to Gabbie. oh well, she had flowers now. she hugged Jiru tightly she was so thankful to have such a caring, and wonderful housemate.
(This one was way too long and gosh trying not to mention names is kinda hard IDK why Also I tried so don't bully me)
about first yaoi
IT FEELS SO FUCKING EMBARASSING ??? I DON'T KNOW WHY ?? I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST GONNA DIE ?? SOMEONE CONVINCE ME PLEASE
about simp over yourself
Hmmm yeahhh I do!! It's fvcking harddd!! I got confused that when people ask me about it I can't even answer they were like "are you gay?" and I was like *loading* "I'm a girl" yeah right I like guys but I like girls too!! They're both make me "excited" you know! So that's make me bisexual right!? But sometimes I just maybe I'm not! I'm actually pansexual!!! But let's forget about it let Just say I'm gay (-_-;)
BL / Josei / GL where...you didn't ship any couple? Is there any story that was supposed to involve romance where you actually didn't want any couple to get together? It happened to me with Back to school. I only liked the protagonist, meanwhile the good guy was a bit boring even if a good person, and the other guy...well...he was absolutely out of his mind and a rapist. I really didn't ship anything but I kept reading it to know the progression of the story.
Did it ever happen to you not to ship any couple for some reasons? Let me know, I'm curious. It's okay to answer things like Killing Stalking or Warehouse but it's also a bit obvious there ^^".
Did it ever happen to you not to ship any couple for some reasons? Let me know, I'm curious. It's okay to answer things like Killing Stalking or Warehouse but it's also a bit obvious there ^^".
about real life problems
I know it's not only me but it's really hard to trust anyone specially when you got backstab, or betrayed before. To be honest my parents made me like this. How bout you guys?
not all omegaverse stories should have like yall know r*pe involved like ma n i know some authors want some actions and some fujodans too but like calm down please, like i can see some newbie readers fetishizing r*pe and r*pe culture and also some of these bottoms just let it past for some reason it makes me cringe so much.
Okay this is not rlly an unpopular opinion/discussion? Or an new one by any means, but just something that has been on my mind lately, and I wasnt really sure what other tag to put it that would accurately accumulate attention I wanted.
Basically I have enjoyed BL since I was a young teen (13 maybe) and now I am 19(F). But as I get older, the weirder it is to enjoy BL as a whole because a huge bunch of it is written about minors (highschoolers, and sometimes even middleschoolers!). With regular smutless shounen-ai this obv isnt a problem, but as many of you on this site know, the most popular stories have at least some kind of smut in it. Im using this question board to gather and express my thoughts about this and maybe promote a discussion about it?
- My prime example I think of when I think on this topic is the notorious Yaoi "Yarichin Bitch Club". Its such an interesting case, and especially so since its gaining widespread popularity due to tiktok. Even tho it treads on romcom territory its still essentially a porn. Porn about boys who are as old as my younger brother in his second year of highchool. Its gross when I think about it like that, but its true :/ and people who r definitely even older than me wrote it and read it! While Im sure a lot of teenage girls read this stuff, it still is available for anyone to read, and Im 100% positive a large chunk of those people are older than me.
- BUT a weird factor to add into it is that they dont LOOK (or really act) like highschoolers? This is what kinda makes it less unsettling ig, is that the characters really all do look like grown men! And it's a piece of media I wanted to enjoy but I can't get past the fact a majority of these boys are in high school! A lot of this media I want to enjoy but a lot of the characters are straight up like 15 or something.
- The worst part is stories like yarichin WOULD WORK 100% in a college setting! In fact i think yarichin would work like 10x better in a lot of ways if it was in college! They look colleged aged, they would have similar, (if not more) daily freedoms, their overdeveloped sexual habits would make sense! And when I think about it it makes me so frustrated!! But because ppl love to fetishize the fact theyre minors ://// it turned out the way it did, and still garnered enough success for an actual OVA!
- This is supper apparent in Doujins too! As one of the doujins Ive always seen on top 5 is a kiribaku doujin (you prob know the one im talking about) and its really gross when you remember those charas are like 15 :/
The main reason I'm bringing this up is also because no one really talks about it that much on here? Maybe most of you are like 15 and 16 and I'm just yelling to the wrong people but... still, this is a public site for anyone to use...
- And idk what Im trying to get from this, because I've enjoyed these stories (less so now that im older :/) and some of them really do hold a place in my heart. But when you strip everything away all of these kinds of comics are essentially CP (at least here in America)??? But unlike lolicon content they arent really treated that way and im not entirely sure why. And again this is probably masked by the fact in a lot of these stories the highschoolers dont look like highschoolers butttt... they still are explicitly in highschool, very often under 18. But I also don't think the people who enjoy these stories are necessarily bad people either? Until recently BL in highschool was kind of just the norm and a majority of us were and are still teens. IRL Minors arent really harmed from this, but IG im just afraid of the consistent normalization of the sexualization of minors (in all kinds of media). I think if you are consciously getting off on the fact these characters are minors though, you are definitely gross and need help :ppp
Also I'm aware that in Japan yaoi in highschool probs technically isnt CP but even with that cultural difference a lot of ppl in America still enjoy it. Also its still creepy even if it isn't legally/culturally wrong in Japan. I'm not going to put the blame about this on Japan (lol ofc not! wtf) because BL has clear overseas popularity that perpetuates this issue
~One thing I will bring up is how a lot of popular stories in BL Korean manhwa that actually is more often than not about college aged and older characters! And these stories are really good! Thats one thing that keeps me happily reading and hopeful for the future of BL :)))~
Anyways sorry this was so long Im half drunk and needed to ramble abt smth. Hope this gets to someone, I just needed to put out my thoughts on this! ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Also sorry its so long without a solid conclusion. Treat this as kinda a half assed ramble for me to place my thoughts if that bothers you.
THANKS FOR READING IF U DID ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Basically I have enjoyed BL since I was a young teen (13 maybe) and now I am 19(F). But as I get older, the weirder it is to enjoy BL as a whole because a huge bunch of it is written about minors (highschoolers, and sometimes even middleschoolers!). With regular smutless shounen-ai this obv isnt a problem, but as many of you on this site know, the most popular stories have at least some kind of smut in it. Im using this question board to gather and express my thoughts about this and maybe promote a discussion about it?
- My prime example I think of when I think on this topic is the notorious Yaoi "Yarichin Bitch Club". Its such an interesting case, and especially so since its gaining widespread popularity due to tiktok. Even tho it treads on romcom territory its still essentially a porn. Porn about boys who are as old as my younger brother in his second year of highchool. Its gross when I think about it like that, but its true :/ and people who r definitely even older than me wrote it and read it! While Im sure a lot of teenage girls read this stuff, it still is available for anyone to read, and Im 100% positive a large chunk of those people are older than me.
- BUT a weird factor to add into it is that they dont LOOK (or really act) like highschoolers? This is what kinda makes it less unsettling ig, is that the characters really all do look like grown men! And it's a piece of media I wanted to enjoy but I can't get past the fact a majority of these boys are in high school! A lot of this media I want to enjoy but a lot of the characters are straight up like 15 or something.
- The worst part is stories like yarichin WOULD WORK 100% in a college setting! In fact i think yarichin would work like 10x better in a lot of ways if it was in college! They look colleged aged, they would have similar, (if not more) daily freedoms, their overdeveloped sexual habits would make sense! And when I think about it it makes me so frustrated!! But because ppl love to fetishize the fact theyre minors ://// it turned out the way it did, and still garnered enough success for an actual OVA!
- This is supper apparent in Doujins too! As one of the doujins Ive always seen on top 5 is a kiribaku doujin (you prob know the one im talking about) and its really gross when you remember those charas are like 15 :/
The main reason I'm bringing this up is also because no one really talks about it that much on here? Maybe most of you are like 15 and 16 and I'm just yelling to the wrong people but... still, this is a public site for anyone to use...
- And idk what Im trying to get from this, because I've enjoyed these stories (less so now that im older :/) and some of them really do hold a place in my heart. But when you strip everything away all of these kinds of comics are essentially CP (at least here in America)??? But unlike lolicon content they arent really treated that way and im not entirely sure why. And again this is probably masked by the fact in a lot of these stories the highschoolers dont look like highschoolers butttt... they still are explicitly in highschool, very often under 18. But I also don't think the people who enjoy these stories are necessarily bad people either? Until recently BL in highschool was kind of just the norm and a majority of us were and are still teens. IRL Minors arent really harmed from this, but IG im just afraid of the consistent normalization of the sexualization of minors (in all kinds of media). I think if you are consciously getting off on the fact these characters are minors though, you are definitely gross and need help :ppp
Also I'm aware that in Japan yaoi in highschool probs technically isnt CP but even with that cultural difference a lot of ppl in America still enjoy it. Also its still creepy even if it isn't legally/culturally wrong in Japan. I'm not going to put the blame about this on Japan (lol ofc not! wtf) because BL has clear overseas popularity that perpetuates this issue
~One thing I will bring up is how a lot of popular stories in BL Korean manhwa that actually is more often than not about college aged and older characters! And these stories are really good! Thats one thing that keeps me happily reading and hopeful for the future of BL :)))~
Anyways sorry this was so long Im half drunk and needed to ramble abt smth. Hope this gets to someone, I just needed to put out my thoughts on this! ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Also sorry its so long without a solid conclusion. Treat this as kinda a half assed ramble for me to place my thoughts if that bothers you.
THANKS FOR READING IF U DID ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
about real life problems
ok im asking just out of curiosity...
i don't really know what to hitnk about alcohol because i know that there are a lot of disadvantages (that i've seen firsthand), such as domestic abuse, health complications and other sutff
but i also know that drinking alcohol is... fun... i guess. I think that it's good for celebrations and partys
so i just wanted to see what other people with different perspectives thought
anyways i think im done... ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
i don't really know what to hitnk about alcohol because i know that there are a lot of disadvantages (that i've seen firsthand), such as domestic abuse, health complications and other sutff
but i also know that drinking alcohol is... fun... i guess. I think that it's good for celebrations and partys
so i just wanted to see what other people with different perspectives thought
anyways i think im done... ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
about real life problems
ive been seeing a lot of discussion about this which is great but from what i can tell it's once again mostly women being projected into the conversation by other women.
the point is that if youre not mlm/nblm your opinion is not final say and your voice should not be the loudest. fictional media has influenced public perception on issues and topics for YEARS and that is irrefutable. fetishization of gay men has been happening before it was even more societally accepted to be a gay man.
the portrayal of gay men is so fucking skewed in works of yaoi and bl. for generations gay men have been viewed as predatory, rapists, unnatural, feminine and dangerous. ALL of which are stereotypes reflected in these works. this puts us in danger and invalidates us.
the 'feminine bottom' trope which pushes the stereotype that there has to be a 'woman' in an mlm relationship.
the 'student+teacher' trope which pushes the stereotype about us being predators.
the 'extremely young man+way older man' trope which also pushes us being predators, not to mention larger age gaps tend to have unhealthy power dynamics.
the 'rapists and their victims fall in love' trope which i cant even begin describe how insanely unhealthy that is and how insanely popular it is.
these are just to name a few which affect REAL people. REAL gay men.
ive seen countless occasions and conversations where women and girls whos views on gay relationships have been so warped that they think its ok to be invasive, to ship real men, to ask questions about private matters without any indication that its ok to do so. not to mention seeing all of this fucked up gay 'representation' can warp the minds of young gay boys the same way it does to young girls. this will often make them hate themselves more, it will normalise toxic relationships for them which can put them in dangerous situations.
bl 'made for women by other women' is in general unhealthy because a woman (even if she is lgbt+) CANNOT give representation to gay men and cannot do their stories justice because shes never experienced it. the only times it would be acceptable is if she talked to actual gay men for their experiences.
we're not asking you to stop writing or reading bl because thats unrealistic but we are asking you to listen to us. listen when we tell you that a trope is bad and should be stopped, stop interacting and giving positive feedback which pushes dangerous stereotypes about us. stop as a woman only interacting with gay media. educate yourself on what its like being a gay man so you can at least recognise toxicity and bad representation. stop ignoring us and misconstruing what we're talking about and what we're asking from you.
the point is that if youre not mlm/nblm your opinion is not final say and your voice should not be the loudest. fictional media has influenced public perception on issues and topics for YEARS and that is irrefutable. fetishization of gay men has been happening before it was even more societally accepted to be a gay man.
the portrayal of gay men is so fucking skewed in works of yaoi and bl. for generations gay men have been viewed as predatory, rapists, unnatural, feminine and dangerous. ALL of which are stereotypes reflected in these works. this puts us in danger and invalidates us.
the 'feminine bottom' trope which pushes the stereotype that there has to be a 'woman' in an mlm relationship.
the 'student+teacher' trope which pushes the stereotype about us being predators.
the 'extremely young man+way older man' trope which also pushes us being predators, not to mention larger age gaps tend to have unhealthy power dynamics.
the 'rapists and their victims fall in love' trope which i cant even begin describe how insanely unhealthy that is and how insanely popular it is.
these are just to name a few which affect REAL people. REAL gay men.
ive seen countless occasions and conversations where women and girls whos views on gay relationships have been so warped that they think its ok to be invasive, to ship real men, to ask questions about private matters without any indication that its ok to do so. not to mention seeing all of this fucked up gay 'representation' can warp the minds of young gay boys the same way it does to young girls. this will often make them hate themselves more, it will normalise toxic relationships for them which can put them in dangerous situations.
bl 'made for women by other women' is in general unhealthy because a woman (even if she is lgbt+) CANNOT give representation to gay men and cannot do their stories justice because shes never experienced it. the only times it would be acceptable is if she talked to actual gay men for their experiences.
we're not asking you to stop writing or reading bl because thats unrealistic but we are asking you to listen to us. listen when we tell you that a trope is bad and should be stopped, stop interacting and giving positive feedback which pushes dangerous stereotypes about us. stop as a woman only interacting with gay media. educate yourself on what its like being a gay man so you can at least recognise toxicity and bad representation. stop ignoring us and misconstruing what we're talking about and what we're asking from you.
about grow your own vegetables
I'm bored and don't know what to do so... Which one is better salt or pepper?
about i'm looking for friends
I've gone thru so many ppl but in the end I just get ghosted but here I am still trying to find someone to talk to. I would love to talk to anyone about anything just dont be dry
Warning: my mind is actually rlly messed up that's y I havent been talking to my friends
Warning: my mind is actually rlly messed up that's y I havent been talking to my friends
