I don't get why we can't get BDSM with a femdom without using actual rape and nonconsensual sex.
It is actually possible to write a man who wants to be pegged and "punished", you know? And in real BDSM, consent is taken very seriously and there is no intent to actually harm your partner. That's simply not how it's used.
Up until this point, it could have been said that they were kind of just playing weird mind games with eachother (unlikely, but if you really wanted to, you could stretch the logic), but now it's very clear that for Rosa, this isn't a kink. She actually hates him to an extent and wishes to harm him using sex. Which is just weird and fucked up.
I can't wrap my head around the comments saying that Yeonwoo actually wants this and it's all part of his grand plan to get her. Like, some people are actually ignoring his very obvious refusal to sleep with her that she has ignored time and time again. It's rape, and I think for some readers it's too serious a topic for them to come to terms with, so they're convoluting the plot in order to justify it with an "um, actually..." Which is kinda crazy to me.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging people who are reading this, after all, I myself have stuck around this long (even if only in hopes of some sort of happy ending for Yeonwoo, who is the greatest victim here), but at least acknowledge that Rosa isn't some sexy sadist dominatrix mommy. She's no better than all the other women who have preyed on Yeonwoo up until this point. She's a rapist. A hot one, but a rapist nonetheless.
Period!
read last chapters, th " victim" is saying sum stuff about how he likes her packet
Cause it is usually written by people that have never been in contact with the BDSM community. And he is a man, so no one is gonna take the sa seriously
I have no idea what you mean by "packet", but that doesn't matter. The fact is that he has told her "no" several times and she ignored it. And she did this twice while he was drugged.
In what world is that consensual? Do you disagree that that is rape?
I am literally agreeing with you. I am saying most of femdom works are indeed just rape cause it is written by het women that never even cared about studying BDSM first. It is rape, but they will not reconize it cause he is a man.
Oh wait, my bad. I got the notification and thought you were talking to me. But again you are right, dont let them say otherwise twin
Snap out of it, it’s rape. You can like someone and still be abused by them.
So if you seriously think what’s been happening between Rosa and him is okay, then you really need to rethink that
No problem
Thanks twin
Okay, I came to see what all the hubbub was about because I remember reading the first 2 chapters of this a few years back and dropping it for obvious reasons.
Having reminded myself of the story by going back to the first chapter, I will say one thing. The "twist" at the end, with her being the actual "rapist" and not him, seems unplanned at best (and at worst it looks to be a sloppily designed "whoa, look your hypocrisy in the mirror, reader. Women can rape too and now you've been supporting a perpetrator all this time" moment), which can work when done thoughtfully and CAREFULLY, but what exactly are the logistics and likelihood of her raping him while literally being pinned face down to the ground from the beginning of the flashback to the end?
Even if the justification is made for it by saying that that's not actually how it happened (I wouldn't know since I'm not gonna read the reveal chapter as I'm dropping this shit, so it could be a case of unreliable narration), that's the story given to us, so our anger towards her "rapist" is completely justified, so what now is the point of spitting on the reader's feelings by making her the actual "villain" and turning him into a martyr who was unjustly persecuted by us? It feels like a lazy way to close off what was probably supposed to be a deep and compelling story of romance, redemption and reconciliation by making the bad guy someone who didn't actually need redeeming because he was never bad in the first place, and making the reconciliation a simple matter of resolved misunderstanding, which is wild when you open up a romance story with RAPE for God's sake.
I don't know if anyone else notices it, but this art style change isn't sitting right with me.
Aside from his hair style making him look less hot, the ML just looks kinda...blander overall. His expressions used to feel more dynamic and nuanced, now it looks a bit flat. And the FL has had the most drastic change in my opinion. She looks so much more childish, in a weird way. Not even just her mannerisms and expressions, but her face shape and proportions too. Her head's gotten bigger, her face has gotten rounder and her eyes are larger too.
It looks like it's becoming more typical shoujo art, and I don't really like that.
Aww geez i see what you mean. Especially in chap 7 where he has the same suave-guy face the entire time
I hope they didn't change artist :/ I noticed the drastic change too
Yeahhh it felt more manga like and unique in the earlier chapters and then it switched to a more generic webcomic that you find in a lot of those super weird “I turned into a girl and my bff slept with me in both my male and female forms now we’re married” novels that actually have wacky ass names like that
The cleavage combined with the choker really accentuates Karhan's sub energy. The author definitely knew what she was doing
I had my doubts, but I kinda liked the way this was going at first. Now? Not so much.
And I'm not even talking about the female lead's actions or decisions anymore. I'm talking about the way this webtoon is handling these complicated situations. I really thought that Woojin's self-reflection on his approach to dating Seyun would lead to him thinking more before he acts, and taking things slower. Trying to go at her pace, y'know? But the way he just pounced on the first chance to marry her despite clearly seeing her hesitation, and knowing that she was facing a difficult situation when she said all that just proves that he's barely learned anything. Like, I really thought that after that whole speech he was going to say "I don't want you to agree to marry me because you're going through something. I'll wait for you" or at least something along those lines. But nope, the next second we're meeting the parents. WTH dude?
And then he just goes ahead to arrange a meeting with his parents for the next day? Come on, he's not even giving her a chance to take it all in. It almost feels like he's just selfishly dragging her along. Imagine how nerve-wracking this must be to someone who wasn't even considering marriage 1 month ago, much less with the guy she's about to marry.
Then the way her dad seemed to be portrayed as the doting and overprotective father. Even though all the points he brought up were SOLID and I really thought we would finally get a voice of reason, but they just had him throw a drunk fit and called it a day. He wasn't even aware that his wife was setting his daughter up for marriage behind his back. That in and of itself is a problem.
And I'm not even going to get into the problematic mothers of this webtoon. They deserve their own epistle.
Anyway, this whole story is starting to look like the 8-years-ago-backstories of those webtoons where the ML and FL were in an arranged marriage, but they got divorced because they had a lot of issues, but they get back together in the future because now they can form a relationship under healthy circumstances.
I'm sure Woojin is just blindly in love right now, but no matter how much of a good husband he vows to be, no woman should ever be forced or coerced into marriage, especially not when she's so young and inexperienced. He could be the best thing since bluetooth and the marriage will still crumble, because the pressure of moving into a new environment, changing to a new status, getting used to a new lifestyle, and dealing with a whole new web of relationships (his family) is enough to stress her and take a toll on her mentally, and stress is hard enough to deal with when you're willingly going through it, much less when you feel like you've been forced. That kind of situation breeds resentment. Not just for his mom, or his family, but eventually even for him. At least realistically speaking.
Right now, I think the only thing that could salvage this plot progression is if at some point FL breaks off the marriage and tells Woojin the truth about everything, and how she never really wanted to marry him. Then maybe a year or two later, after ML has had some PROPER growth and reflection, they can start over again, and he can clearly tell that snake of a mother that he won't let her interfere in Seyun's life any longer.
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So true on all of this! Tbh, I have this conspiracy theory that the author wrote this story as a sort of disguised feminist novel to make readers realize the importance of agency and choice. Even though some part of mc might be attracted to ml, it is so wrapped in layers of coercion and manipulation that she can never be certain if her feelings are genuine. The story becomes a tragedy even though it is rofan because we know that mc will never be given the time and space to make her own decisions on her feelings for ml (and 2nd ml too) and her right over her own body is also taken away by others. The ml, although appearing like a victim at first, can’t escape blame because ultimately this a system that benefits him and that’s why he’ll never actually help mc even knowing the type of person his mother is. On that note, both of the moms are a great example of what generational cycles of abuse can do to people who feel helpless to escape and end up enforcing the same abuse on their own kids ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Wow, I didn't even notice that.
Frankly, I do still hold some hope that the author is doing this intentionally, and everything will suddenly all make sense, but it's also a Korean romance webtoon and I've been disappointed by far too many to believe in that.
I really hope your theory is right tho, cuz that would be such a great twist.
What the fuck is pit-a-pat? Is that supposed to be the sound of a heart beat? Why not use the normal ba-dump ba-dump? Is it the sound of a heart skipping a beat? It still doesn't seem right tho. It's beginning to irritate me
Had been wondering as well, guess it is supposed to be the sound of heartbeat after all. A drizzle (raindrops going pit-a-patter) would have been classy too, kinda liked my misunderstanding. :)
it is the sound of the heartbeating, for some reason I find more mangas use pit-a-pat and manwhas use ba-dump but that’s just my experience
I'm genuinely surprised that the author isn't sick of bringing Jihyeok in at this point. He serves no purpose and he's just irritating. Like, please come up with a new way to do whatever he's doing, if anything at all. He just shows up, irritates people and then someone gets rid of him.
And second, I hate this fucking trope of mistaken confessions. All it does is give a nice ML a glimmer of hope just to take it away and make him miserable. That's about it. One could say that it's also used to propel the FL into feeling something for him that she wouldn't have felt with the current state of their relationship, or to make the audience sympathise with the ML, but a better way to achieve these would be to have the ML confess his feelings to the FL, then get rejected. This also allows the audience to relate more to the FL, since she's not the one in the wrong because of a stupid mistake.
I don't mind it all that much when it's used comically, but when it takes a more somber approach like this, it's just annoying.
Where's chapter 7?????