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Agreed first chapter had me spooked…

OMG THANK YOU THE AMOUNT OF EDITS IVE SEEN ON TIKTOK IS UNBELIEVABLE

Couldn't agree more #－.－)

Absolutely disgusting making fun of and joking around about a character getting put through so much trauma he starts doing math equations as a trauma response like wtf

You guys want to seem so morally superior if you hate it so much then why are you still reading? just drop it and move along with your day instead of taking the time to shit on readers who enjoy it… again, when you’re still reading it yourself. I don’t understand why you would put yourself through that??

Like literally just move on with your life but instead they’ll take the time to make people feel bad for reading it just to feel better about themselves

Freedom of speech exist.
This is not north Korea or 1984.
Rapists and their apologists like you love screaming censorship and puriteens buzzwords to normalize and moralize your degeneracy.
Also, this kind of content is harmful, that is why rapists and their apologists are desensitized

I read dark romance and most of the people in these comments read yaoi where the character is a black flag. None of us are “puritans”, however we have a line in what we are willing to read. And you say engaging with content as if it’s willingly when most times on my fyp I get at least one edit of reverse thinking even after blocking the account because my feed is yaoi which honestly this shouldn’t even be under that category. And it’s honestly disgusting how everyone in this “fandom” is treating the mc as if he’s the worst person in the world and not the person who is raping and torturing him all day everyday. And it’s disrespectful how the translator is miss translating the mc as if he’s some whiney bitch who just wants cock instead of him being traumatized. I don’t want to read someone’s rape fantasy and I only read maybe ten chapter the rest I looked up what the novel was. He gets raped by a dog…but please continue to tell me how much you enjoy this manhwa.

Omg...whatever should I do....

Doing math as a trauma response……..yeah our generation is COOKED. It’s clearly a joke

Touch grass

Riiiight cause trauma responses, rape, physical and psychological abuse are jokes…you’re cooked not our generation. Ur better off saying it’s a fictional character rather than its a joke

If you wanna point to examples of trauma responses in the manhwa then look to the moments where Jiwook panics when his neck is touched, his fawn response when Juyeon’s expression shifts. You need to accept that there are moments in this story that are straight up meant to be comedic. Hence all the chibis and shit. If you want a story where the rape and abuse are taken seriously 100% of the time, you’re shit out of luck.

Sorry, but I don’t understand how you can see a clear reference to that “white woman doing math” meme and be like “omg he’s doing math because he’s traumatized”. That’s so unserious. You have to realize that.

So I did look it up because I got this info about the math thing from my friend and it isn’t in the novel. Which means the artist added it for shits and giggles because they could. Which honestly is disrespectful to the work and two means that they’re just as bad as you. Abuse and rape should never be a joke. Now I do agree finding something that depicts it perfectly with be hard. Things like sheep’s mask, no zero sum, killing stalking, and obey me are all very good depictions. And I would be saying the same thing if people like you called it unserious, like no the manhwa isn’t the problem it’s you. Also just because it has chibis doesn’t mean it’s unserious they just got too lazy to draw it because the novel is definitely more graphic they didn’t write in a note (turn this part to chibi), that was the artists own laziness. And I’m pretty sure a lot of the scenes are removed considering there is a limit to what someone is willing to draw.

I should really re-read things it’s 2am bro cut me some slack

Hell yeah I’m the problem. I don’t think I have an obligation to feel pity for Jiwook’s rape considering what an evil douchebag he is. If that’s problematic of me, then I’ll own it. #DarkWoke. And the novel also has “comedic” elements. I.e. Jiwook and Juyeon bantering over eating breakfast, the joke about Juyeon needing a mental hospital. Frankly, Jiwook’s suffering is meant to be on some level indulgent upon a second read because it’s a rape and revenge fantasy story. People’s metrics for good representations of abuse sure have backslid, because wdym NZS and Obey Me are good representations the rape in those stories are just as voyeuristic and whimsical. There’s literally a part in Obey Me where the kidnapper dude brings in a sushi chef for a body sushi kink that contributes nothing to the plot. NZS is straight up dacryphilia and misery porn with plot. Even Killing Stalking, by far one of the most effective psychological BL stories gets overindulgent with sexualizing the rape scenes. To me it just sounds like you read a lot of rapey yaoi and need it to be bleak enough to make you feel like you’re a better person for reading it, sorry. But bleak doesn’t equal good rep.

I don’t but okay and I’m glad your self aware that your the problem.

* you’re

People on mangago don’t even try to argue with your points anymore.

And I could argue about this with you all day and all night but neither of us can convince the other. You seem to be strong willed in your belief as I am in mine. And sure, I agree with you about Obey Me. I never said that simply making something dark automatically makes it good representation. Bleakness by itself doesn’t equal good representation, and I think that’s a fair criticism. Where I disagree is with putting Non Zero Sum in the exact same category. I only made it to around chapter 30, so I’m obviously not going to pretend I’ve experienced the entire story, but based on what I read, the rape wasn’t being presented as something cute, romantic, or pleasurable. It was a regular black-and-white manhwa that depicted the abuse and the characters’ mental deterioration in a way that was deliberately uncomfortable. They didn’t make the victim blush or frame his reactions as enjoyment. He was shown as traumatized, and the story actually let you see what that trauma was doing to him psychologically. That’s why I consider it better representation of rape than something where the abuse is constantly framed through cute, erotic, or comedic imagery. I’m not saying Non Zero Sum is above criticism, or that every depiction in it is automatically good because it’s bleak. I’m saying that how the narrative portrays the victim and the consequences of the abuse matters. There’s a difference between depicting something horrific because the story wants you to confront the horror of it and depicting something horrific while simultaneously inviting the audience to find the victim’s suffering sexually appealing or amusing. And I don’t think this is about needing my dark BL to be “bleak enough” to feel morally superior. I read dark fiction because I can handle certain subjects in fiction, not because I think reading one particular story makes me a better person. My criticism is specifically about how the work frames the abuse and how people discuss it. Also, I don’t think anyone has to pity Jiwook or pretend he’s a good person. He can be an awful person who has done genuinely terrible things, and I can still say that rape is wrong and that his suffering shouldn’t be treated as a joke. Those aren’t contradictory positions. You can recognize that Jiwook is evil without believing that rape is an acceptable punishment for him. And that’s honestly the bigger problem I have with the discussion around this manhwa. People aren’t just saying “I dislike Jiwook and therefore I don’t feel sorry for him.” They’re calling him their ideal man, calling him cute, joking about his abuse, and then acting like anyone who points out how disturbing that is is somehow missing the point of dark fiction. At that point, I think it’s completely fair to question how the story and its fandom are treating the abuse. I can read something like Haunting Adeline and understand that it’s trauma bonding and that Zade(the main love interest) is a rapist and a bad person and still think the book is well done without defending his actions. So no, I don’t think “bleak = good rep.” My argument is that context, framing, characterization, consequences, and how the abuse is presented to the audience all matter. That’s why I wouldn’t automatically put Non Zero Sum, Obey Me, and this manhwa into the exact same category simply because all three contain rape. So yeah

Only made it to chapter ten

Full disclosure, i do think Jiwook’s suffering is hilarious. I have never lost sleep over laughing at the misery of a rapist. I think he deserves it and will never feel bad for it. In the end, I simply don’t agree with your metrics for “good” depictions at all. I indulge in mindless noncon because I don’t care what happens to men in fiction, ever. But that doesn’t mean I can’t recognize earnest storytelling from an author getting their rocks off. NZS and Haunting Adeline are both total misery porn. I don’t think showing someone getting raped with a gun is storytelling that frames sexual assault as serious and inherently harrowing. No, the rape isn’t meant to amuse or draw laughs—this isn’t Family Guy. But I need you to look deeply inside yourself and ask if stories that are 90% sexual assault and mindbreak are supposed to make anybody confront anything other than their latent noncon/crying/stockholm syndrome kink. To me it just sounds like you’ve fallen into the trap of taking the author’s barely disguised fetish as a hallmark of good storytelling. NZS and Revenge are very similar where the main character’s anguish is supposed to appeal to a niche audience of people who like nonstop torture and whump. That’s why when you look up what the intended Korean audiences are saying, they’re always jerking off. It’s that way by design. There are very few stories that use graphic and gratuitous rape as a plot device and can do it well. Even in those cases, it’s so clear when it’s meant to titillate. There’s no point in trying to make noncon fiction into something it’s not. Can it be transgressive, cathartic, gratifying, or even empowering? Sure, yeah. But sometimes it’s just the author and audience’s fetish. And that’s okay with me. Keep sliming Jiwook.

Okay, I can’t like a comment, but I agree with most of what you said except for you laughing at the MC’s abuse, because that’s lowkey a little strange. Like you said, sometimes a fetish can be the point of the story, and considering how much this particular aspect seems to entertain you, I’m just going to assume this kind of content is appealing to you on some level. So honestly, my main point still stands: I think it’s pretty disgusting to find someone being repeatedly raped and abused funny, especially when you’re openly admitting that you enjoy watching him suffer.

Yeah, and I think I’m morally okay for it. It’s okay that you don’t agree. It’s never going to make me or anyone who takes joy in seeing a violent, misogynistic rapist getting fucked up feel bad. There are probably people out there who’d claim *you* are disgusting for having empathy for the rapist who started it all to begin with. But neither of us really need to prove ourselves morally to strangers on the internet. In the end, I walk away happy because of how the story plays out. Idk about the rest of you.

Bro what? Wasn’t even joking but ok.

I’m not about you I’m talking about the edits cause it’s not just people thinking he’s hot it’s also people making fun of the mc lol ur good pooks

Omg I was so confused but fr it’s so disgusting