-_-'s Topics (24)

Literally only one person said those things, so just reply to them. Also, of course we'd expect the mc to be strong, she was stated as a master swordswoman who ended a war. Instead she's another meek little damsel all weak and stuff. I would've been fine with the shyness and naivete hut they could've done it better. Don't blame people for getting pissed and having expectations when the story ignores one of the reasons people even started this.

Lol the same comments come up again and again every time a chapter is released though I think I’m entitled to post my comments however I like. But yeh you’ve completely missed the point I made that physical strength doesn’t have to = Emotional strength. If you look at male equivalents in history you’ll find a lot of them have terrible personal lives despite having so many great achievements on the battlefield Or any great achievements at all. One person doesn’t always have every desirable characteristic that usually serves a story better in terms of character development.

And what I'm trying to say is that although she's a master swordsman, it doesn't even get used at all. Surely someone who can kill should be emotionally strong enough to do so. And I also said that I don't mind the blushy crush thing she has going on, but to make her so meek and submissive just breaks our expectations. I'm not even talking about 'emotional strength' I'm talking about personality. If the author wanted her to be a gap moe, they could've execute it better instead of just saying that she is strong, then basically never mentioning it again and making her weak

These webtoons tend to go on for a while though so I expect that towards the middle her swordsmanship will be used more pivotally. The way I see it a part of it will be used by her teaching swordsmanship or rather self defence to the subjects though I can see why that might not satisfy people. Also I feel like the part of her having no personality besides her sword has been used as the most important part: she thinks her only role in life is to serve the royal family which is why her character is so weak right now- that’s what the author has chosen to focus on and to me it’s been done quite well (so far).

Both of you miss each other's points. I became really invested in this discourse, so while I have nothing to do, why not help this become a healthier discussion.

In summary,
-_-'s points:
• Strength does not only refer to physical ability. Physical strength ≠ emotional strength ≠ psychosocial strength.
[I believe this refers to the female lead (FL) not being knowledgeable and emotionally capable to handle conflict in high society despite being physically strong, and not about her personality and behavior towards the Crown Prince (male lead or ML)].
• Instead of hoping for a different ML because you dislike the current ML, just stop reading.
• FL's personality is her sword; therefore, she would SUBMIT to a member of a royal family because she is their SUBJECT. She is a knight, it is her duty to serve the royal family with LOYALTY, not LOVE.

EnaLikesThis' points:
• She is a warrior, therefore she must have strong emotional constitution.
• Because she is emotionally stable (constructively referring to her first argument), she must not act weak towards the CROWN PRINCE.

I cant fcking understand the rest of it. But I hope this helps the discussion. Lol.

Eh. I've become uninterested in this story already. I'll be going now.

how about solo leveling?

Try noblesse, it good and completed +500 chapters ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Thanks guys, Read them both but neither of them have romance which is kind of what I’m looking for, not too much just something slow burn but in the background. Doesn’t have to be a webtoon either.

read "something about us"

Crimson karma - strong FL, limited romance, isekai -ish, the FL is part of the army troop of the ML.

Because he keep teasing/bulling Scarlet because he is so perfect, childish and bored.

The author makes that prick her natural kryptonite where she can't hit or kick him at all even though it doesn't make sense!

Julius is very rude and disrespectful towards her and we who like Scarlet can't believe she still tolerates him despite the fact she doesn't give a shit about the social norms or patriarchal system...

Well, she spent years tolerating the little brother, who was way worse.
He is an idiot, but he is not bad (I mean, he doesn't harm the weak), and I think that is one of the reasons (main reason, I guess) why she won't hit him.
The other reason is her family, her father and brother asked her to treat well the royal family (or anyone else), the consequences against them could be bad. I think that is why she tries not to get into fights, and just hits when they are a threat to the weak.
That's probably why she is putting up with him.

Actually she doesn't need to put up with Julius at all.
She doesn't give a crap about the current system anymore.

Is he really bullying her? Teasing her yes, using things she wants to get her to work with him, yes, but bullying? The only reason she sticks around and why she gets so mad at him is because in the end she knows that he's actually doing the right thing. She just wishes he'd stop her from randomly going off on people, and quit using her as a weapon. But truthfully, if she didn't want to do any of this, he couldn't make her and they BOTH know it.

So you are telling that you actually like Julius for whatever reason?
I see it differently. I can't personally stand this kind of ML who takes joy of bothering/burning her.

You say it as if she ever had.

Is he actually harming her? I mean is she really doing anything that she doesn't want to? Does she seem like she is suffering? The man took a bullet for her to protect her. I find it funny how that is so easily forgotten. He isn't using that to force her to do anything, hell he isn't even using her family. All he is doing is being sly and cunning, but not once has he actually forced her to do anything. So yeah, I like him. She knows exactly what he is doing and she has chosen to follow him anyway. These are not the actions of someone being helplessly bullied. Or did you and every one hating on Julius forget what she put up with from her ex? Hell she put up with that abusive bastard for her family, she is working with Julius of her own free will. Yes admittedly he is taking advantage of the fact that she can't hit him, but at most he's teasing her And pissing her off by driving her crazy. But, in the end, they are both getting exactly what they want.

In my case it is not liking le disliking him, but I certainly wouldn't go out with him. That doesn't mean I couldn't be friends with him.
And I am not sure if he really is enjoying his making fun of her. I think he really can't understand his own feelings, as if he had some kind of psychological issue. So he might be trying to get her attention, but then drawing a line because it is too much for him.
I hope he ends up learning a lesson, and I don't care if they end up together or not, both endings could be interesting if they are done well. I think Scarlett shouldn't go out with him as he is now (which s exactly what she is doing), but I don't "hate" him.

You have a point.

I ve never said that she is a helpless bully victim. I am just bothered that Scarlet can't really retaliate against him. She might talk back but at the end of day she is the one feeling pissed.
He took a bullet because the author wanted to make him more redeemable and sympathetic.
I would tolerate Julius more, if we see him actually suffer some consequences or seeing his butt kicked instead of taking amusement of pissing Scarlet off on several occasions.
He is the one who keeps dominating and manipulating the situations.
You also just aknowledge that she can't him back and that he is taking full advantage of it.
Of course, he is lfar ess worse than his little idiot brother/the ex-fiance but he was actually easily to deal with. Julius on the other hand use his superiority and priveledge to deliberately make her angry so he can feel less bored. He had enough chances to be actually kind to her but he chose to toy with her instead.

The problem is the power dynamic between these two.

Since we were talking about cunning sly, cunning and very high intelligent ML prince:
I prefer the MC Prince Cecil in Fiancée's Observation Log of the Self-proclaimed Villainess.
The difference between him and Julius is that we can see character development and relatable human feelings and reactions in Cecil who despite being so perfect and multitalented also clearly showcase sufferings and headaches due to other characters especially by the dumb lovable FL Bertia.
Cecil also saw his FL as an interesting animal or funny toy that could make his life more entertaining. But with time he started to change and treats her more with genuine respect, care and love.
He tease her sometimes but he make it up to her by displaying lots of affections and lovely gesture. His FL's antics causes him often problems nevertheless he still loves her.

Just look at Rachel (SLOW LIFE PRISON) or Melissa (BEWARE OF THE VILLAINESS)!
Do you think these bitches would develop feelings for ML Julius and have to tolerating his arrogance & obnoxious teasing? They might compromise to do business but they wouldn't let him make a fool out of them, would keep their distance from him or making him pay for being disrespectful towards them no matter what.

But at the end we have to agree to disagree.

Here is a perfect ML prince type similar to Julius but much better and more sympathetic.

Cecil in "Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku"

If you read this manga story, you may I understand why I prefer him over Julius ;)

Thanks guys I think I understand now, it’s not that Julius is deplorable per se but you can’t stand the relationship dynamic between him and the FL as it always looks like she “loses” to him. That’s fair I think.

There will always be a character you prefer over others, but you can't have always the same characters, that would be boring.

And how many times have we already seen a romanticized tsundere multitalented seemingly perfect childish bored cruel Prince Alphahole as the ML who likes teasing/bullying/toying the struggling FL and easily undermines the power of the FL...

The crazy masochistic devoted dragon prince warrior as Scarlet's ML would have been a great change for once.

Yep, totally agreed

this this this!!! tendou easily became my favourite character bc of how interesting and full she's written to be so seeing everyone hate on her while knowing her back story was so :(((( like they had no empathy at all imagine being abandoned several times, neglected, abused and then expected to just accept this random girl's friendship in which she over extends herself constantly to help you without thinking she's scheming or wanting smth in return. it was really ridiculous tbh HAHAH not everyone in the world learns to be kind regardless of how ppl treat them. most ppl learn to treat others the way they want to be treated but since tendou was treated poorly she treats others poorly bc they dont value her so why should she. and tsubasa was kinda selfish for pushing her feelings onto tendou tbh even i would have been rude to at some point

Yes people want victims to be like a cliche; kind in spite of cruelty. Bit like when adopted people are expected to be grateful for being adopted without any regard for their trauma. Or just poor people in general

Oh.. so they are poisoning Cayden! I didnt get that one.. i thought they were gonna get rid of Yessica's sister.
Ughh im already afraid how much shit this niece will stir up.. (ꏿ﹏ꏿ;) ⊙﹏⊙

Yes that’s what it sounded like to me too but then she mentioned Cayden in the last scene. That said it does sound a bit stupid so I can only assume she’s going to pin it on Agnes somehow.

Pedo alert

I feel as though they pushed her into the story just to have drama but due to that her entire personality is so flat and it’s hard to feel anything towards her tbh ヾ(☆▽☆)

Oops wrong thingy. I meant （￣へ￣）