I remember reading the raw version and got upset with chapter 65 bc I felt like he's STILL hung up on Gunner. If this is gonna be another WS situation, I'm out... I can't deal with the back and forth. You can have regrets but don't drag that baggage into your new and healthier relationship. Way to destroy a budding romance.
Where did u read the raws??
bro exactly, i really wanted to like this and thought it would be different from wet sand. but theo lost me AF. keeps going back to a man who hurt and raped him after complaining about missing dylan. LIKE GTFO
It's not what you think. That part is more about Theo always blaming himself for the things that go wrong in the lives of the people he cares about.
But as readers we know that even if Theo had done everything differently it wouldn't have changed anything because Gunner never wanted a normal life, he always wanted to be a big shot to Theo and he wanted to do it the easy way even though Theo told him time and time again that he just wanted them to be together and safe.
I think it's pretty normal to reflect on the things you feel you did wrong in past relationships and not want to repeat them. It doesn't mean you still have feelings for that person.
I think it's important to remember that Theo and Gunner basically trauma bonded at a young age and with Theo's personality of feeling responsible for everyone around him, it's not easy to let go of feeling sympathy for that person or feeling bad if you think you didn't do enough, (or in Theo's case blaming himself even though it's not his fault), even when you no longer have feelings for them, even after they've done horrible things to you.
Anyway this part is more about showing that Theo couldn't have changed things with Gunner anymore than he could have changed his mother's cancer.
How about you and op gtf and start working on reading comprehension that's the thing you two severly lacking this is nothing like wetsand also thinking rapist Dylan is any better than rapist gunner is delusional
That's also what I think, but the wording of his regret sounds more like he's still wanting to have Gunner by his side. "We could have had a normal life together". He's still thinking of "w3" rather than just Gunner by himself. Like "You could've had a normal life". It's the "we" and "together" that made me feel like he's still got a bit of hope of being together with Gunner.
That and a bit of trauma with awfully written love triangles. I'm not a fan and I avoid them like a plague lol.
I understand that this part is meant to portray Theo overcoming his tendency to blame himself for everything that goes wrong and trying to break the trauma bond he’s had with Gunner since childhood. However, I feel like there were so many other ways to portray these feelings and experiences without having Gunner repeatedly sexually assault Theo while Theo continues to accept defeat. I feel like it takes away from his feelings for Dylan, because every time this happens, my heart aches for both of them. I understand that breaking away from years of trauma and conditioning isn’t easy, and Theo did try to resist initially, but I wish we got to see him fight back in other ways or make more attempts to free himself from Gunner. Overall, it reminds me a lot of Wet Sand, which I wasn’t particularly happy with either. At this point, I honestly don’t see where DEAREST is going or how it’s supposed to progress.
I really hated how s1 ended with the ex STILL not experiencing any consequences for his actions. He brought a knife to school and to the hospital, and what? NOTHING? No punishment, probation, restraint order? Literally nothing??? Idk how s2 is going to pan out. I'm really curious about WH. Even tho he's got sociopathic vibes, he did leave Han to make sure his presence no longer threatens Han. He recognizes that his obsession or.love could harm or kill Han so he left before anything worse could happen, and I respect him for that.
Unlike that fucking ex that needs to be locked up in jail. Is the justice system that ass in Korea where you get no jail time for bringing a knife to the hospital and trying to kill someone? Same could be applied to WH but it was somewhat out of defense. Idk. I'm still pissed af
Funny thing personally i do think the justice system in Korea are that ass. Given how many crazy cases that men did that got away easy
I wasn't expecting anything profound out of this slop but it is fun. What isnt fun is the third party always trying to get in the way and using their power and wealth as leverage. I get it but I didn't sign up for a love triangle if you could even call it that. I don't even like any of the characters bc they're all annoying to me.
I do wish for SJ to get a happy ending among all of them. Seems like Chani's on the verge of realizing how he feels about SJ but not until he's ready to let go of his pride and fame. Heck he might even sleep with the other guy to realize he's really into SJ and not just any guy. I hope it doesn't come down to that but it's looking like it is.
Oh well. Time to drop.
did you need to announce you dropping this full explanation n everything
Be honest, you're not actually dropping
Lmaooooo
It ain't slop and never was, by the way.
People discovered the word slop and just don't know what to do with themselves if they don't use it for everything
Literally jfc. Swear it was a Gen z tiktok word that just spread like hot garbage through the internet. Art that's a little unhinged and bold is not fcking slop. Just because it's unusual, or not to someone's taste, doesn't make it slop. Y'know an *actual* appropriate use for this word? To talk about stuff made with ai... Now that shit is slop
Definition of "slop" is low quality, mostly associated with AI generated content. So that is my fault for using the wrong word.
I honestly thought it was more closely associated with the word "sloppy" bc thats how I see this plot, subjectively speaking.
We don't always have to agree on things, and I'm only stating my own opinion on the plot. Like I said, it's nothing profound but it is fun. I just don't like triangles or wherever this is headed
I understand, and don't think you intended wrong doing at all. I would just encourage, in this era of the internet, to be conscientious with words, because language does have meaning and impact, and literature is already seemingly dying - people just say whatever nowadays. As an artist myself I feel like it's important to talk about any work with respect cos yeah - AI shit is the true slop around here.
I get what you mean though, and hope I'm making sense. I would definitely call this plot "unruly" and "wild" myself xD
Seokjun and Yechan at least get themselves sloppy doing certain activities...
I of course don't know what's in store for this manhwa, but I truly don't believe it'll be a true love triangle between them. I might be wrong, but hope my instincts are right
Oh Gable... your love is so pure and honest. He will sacrifice everything, even his own love and genuine happiness just to see his love be happy even in the arms of another. I can relate with him so well... which is probably why he passes me off at times bc I feel I'm getting called out. Like damn am i that aloof and standoffish? But it's not like that at all. He loves so deeply and honestly. Like oxygen, you don't see it or feel it, it's just there because you need it, and always overlooked because it's so natural to just be there.. Whereas Xinlu's is fire. Always burning. Someone could ignite it as passionately as Ilay and Taeui, or calm it down like Gable's presence.
In a way, I'm glad this is Xinlu's 2nd attempt at love bc it's more mature, more refined. It doesn't burn, it's not heated. It's a slow and steady stream that will hit you like a wave.
Its been more than a decade or two I think and Souichiro still cant say they're dating and still can't be honest with sex. The whole tsundere thing was cute way back in the 90s and early 00s but this is just so bland and boring now... having gone on for decades of like this. Barely any growth. Can the author just end it please? Idk how much more you can stretch out the story of a man who gets raped into submission and a pseudo relationship...
why would you want the author to end the manga for your convenience (what, just to know it has ended?) when there's clearly a fanbase who likes keeping up with this story and characters? what a rude and selfish thing to say under the hard work of someone's free translation. if it's not your taste move on and read something else
It's been a decade or so with little to no progression. This story has been milked to filth. My opinion is mine alone and it's not like one opinion that's not even visible to the author could sway anything? Is it selfish to ask for a better story telling and movement for a stale story? It gets exhausting
if, in your opinion, the story hasn't progressed in a decade, i'm agog that you're even still here. don't you have better things to do than keep up with a manga you yourself don't enjoy? for fans who do enjoy the work, it's unpleasant for people to come into the fan space and talk about how much you dislike it, especially since it's kept alive through one fan's money and effort for the English translation. if you're so exhausted then stop reading no one is forcing you to, you are free to spend your time in a way you enjoy!
Before y'all crucify me, first loves are always cute in the POV of the person in love of course. This chapter Youngho is cute even if it didn't end well. It's all in the past anyway. My only thing is... could Hoyeon ever be that sweet again or loving to Taebum? They're supposedly dating now but it seems more like FBW than an actual relationship. The author says they're mutually in love as of ch 21 but it doesn't show... esp if you compare it to ch 27. It takes one chapter to show a cute love compared to what seems like forced love and it's been 5 chapters since they've dated... idk man. It feels rough reading this sometimes. I really like Taebum... that's whg I don't really like how Hoyeon is treating him right now.
As someone who suffers from depression and suicidal thoughts from time to time, this behavior bothers me. I know people have different ways of expressing sadness and grief but it really feels like it's more attention seeking than actually being suicidal. Or maybe he's just trying to feel something. But why do it in his room... I know he's depraved and desperate but... ugh I don't like this portrayal... I know some people might be able to relate to the instability he's going through. Please don't take my post to mean I'm being judgmental, I'm just a bit bothered as it hits close to home
Just wanna add that if someone goes to extreme measures like this to seek for attention then it's also a sign that something is deeply wrong which can stem from depression and suicidal thoughts.
Yk, as in clinging to the last thing they 'have' as hard and manipulative as they can, crossing every line for the chance to keep them, even if it means destroying themselves in the meantime.
Haven't really experienced this side that extreme, but back then I had some similar phases when it got really bad, so I atleast feel the desperation to have someone care for you and not give you up.
Adding this because I feel like people use the 'attention seeking' phrasing as an excuse to not take people seriously way too often (not saying you necessarily did that).
On another note- he might not have thought as much of where he is and just wanted the fastest access to a blade, which might have been the hotel room, but that's just another theory, we will see in the next chapter^^
Completely understand. I've had moments where I've broken down in front of people I love and it felt terrible. I don't like showing my weak side to anyone esp people I love. Which is probably why I'm having a bit of a negative reaction to this bc it's the side of myself where I feel most shameful to show or experience.
Attention seeking is definitely a brash term to use. It does err on the side of desperation, and could be a plea for help. I shouldn't judge so hastily for sure, so I appreciate you providing another side to this situation. Thank you.
It's frustrating but also very real. I've met ppl like this, they seek attention from gaining ppl's pity and even threatening them if they don't pay attention to them, they'd commit suicide
I know it may be seem like that but seogeum is definitely not self harming himself to gain tae in's sympathy or attention he simply wants to kill himself because he can't live without tae in.
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I'm sure there's more to this and I should be patient and let the story unfold... but I feel so uncomfortable and disappointed with how MY's suicide attempt and threat being taken so lightly. At least NJ is aware how incredibly manipulative MY is being but NJ owes him absolutely NOTHING. In fact, he should avoid MY even more BECAUSE of those threats.
I don't want them to "fall in love" because of the attempt because it's not going to be rooted in genuine feelings but with pity. It's really upsetting so far...
I am also really put off by how mental illness is treated in this episode. MY self harmed and attempted suicide without notifying anyone. This shows true intent. If Nanjo really cared he should have insisted in a psychiatric evaluation instead of thinking that MY is manipulative. However MY seems perfectly happy here blushing etc. This is not how depression works in real life, only in the BL universe I guess.
I swear the way Seunghyun treats Heeso is just giving me butterflies. Like HS is his world and person, but then he reverts to "he only needs bc I'm a guide" yeah bro no shit? Two things could be true at the same time! He needs you because you're a guide, but you're HIS guide. He doesn't call or yearn for anyone else but you.
Also stop playiiiiing. You still haven't broken up with your gf
Anyway I LOVE them to bits. I know SH is way into deep for HS now. That man is not letting HS go
He kinda cut ties with her... chapter 13.
He left the choice to her, to endure this situation with him kinda two timing out of duty or break up. It's clear he's not as interested in her as she is with him but doesn't change the fact that they're still "together".
Either way, in his mind, they're done but to her, it's not over.
I only brought up the relationship bc he can be a bit insecure with the relationship with Heeso lol.
It’s so obvious that he acts that way towards his gf because he dated her knowing her trash personality. There’s no stuff like “playing” and it doesn’t apply to him knowing how he’s not serious in the beginning. He has better options than a run off the mill street girl that’s why he doesn’t bother worrying about her. And it might be better for both of them that he’s away focusing on his new relationship while the other whoring herself to other guys.
I hate her too but your comment was still disgusting to read. Way to glorify him and slut shame her when they did the same thing, except she’s attached and psycho. ”Better option than a run off the mill street girl”- ickk. Can’t believe u made me defend a character i hate with your approach