the burn was slow but i think the lengthyness braised the story real tender and juicy. details like how her taste buds are incongruent to the people in this other world because she does not belong is so delicious to me like i can tell when an author puts their pussy (soul) into it. plus the conclusion and the added side stories tied it up pretty nicely for me. i like that after such a world shattering ordeal these people are united in way that does not have to be confined to strict labels like romantic or sexual ‘cause really they are tied in the mental way comrades be after everything theyve been through.
what ruined the reading experience was the few people saying odd unprovoked shit in the comments like “these evil gays made me homophobic”. was that supposed to be fucking funny? if youre joking then why is no one laughing? and that kind of talk in this political economy?? (╬￣皿￣)凸 miss me with that bullshit.
also the evil of yurigel and evans was the way entitlement via unchecked tyrannical power allowed them to manipulate entire systems of society to benefit themselves at the cost of the dignity and freedom of others. and their degradation of women specifically was rooted in them being rich and powerful men who would never be subjected to the dehumanising humiliation that renders an able individual into inaction through repeated learnt helplessness to exhaust them into suffering silently. because they were men.
they didnt do that shit because they were gay. they did that shit because they were rich. powerful. men. who saw the lives of other human beings to be that of ants.
I couldn't have said it better myself!
yall have a fundamental misunderstanding of consent in the comments. do allow me to clarify. sexual consent is four pillared.
1) it must be Informed. he was not informed of her touching him (he thought what she did to him was a dream) and she was not informed of him touching her (she literally said she woke up feeling weird without reason ergo she didnt know it happened) (and no i dont think your personal assumption that just because you would know what happens to you when youre asleep somehow equates to her also knowing. are yall the same people? do yall think all people are the same? do yall think all sleep is equal? lets ponder with whimsy in our hearts. powered by all available brain cells in the room).
2) consent must be Explicitly Given. which is saying outloud i want this or writing it on a piece of paper. literally any mode of convey will ball. this happened only once at the very end (when she said i want this and grabbed his cock - correct). before that she was asleep when he jumped her and he was asleep when she jumped him. aurkay? you can say nada that you mean when youre asleep.
3) consent must be Enthusiastic. enthusiasm is most evident in the lack thereof. for example: girlfriends and wives often feel obligated to perform sexual activity because its “their (marital) duty”. so despite the propaganda of abundant pornography with an agenda, no you cannot show enthusiasm when youre asleep. your brain is not even on, there is no proper assessment of risk and reward. please be serious.
and most importantly, 4) consent must always, without fail, be Reversible. if you cannot say no then saying yes holds absolutely ZERO weight. for example: if you are ‘persuaded’ and ‘convinced’ into saying yes after saying no then thats coercion. he could not have even said no (half asleep) and neither could she (completely asleep). sure we know now that they would have said yes - ah but they didnt. how can you reverse a decision you have never made?
5) i do acknowledge that the waters muddy in kink. thats why safeguards must exist in order to temporarily bypass these pillars. for example: safewords, clear boundaries (in discussion of kinks before practice, parties outline plays that are most often categorised in the colour system: red for no go/yellow for only in certain ways or only for a set period of time/green for totally good) and practice. it takes trust to lay still like youre sleeping and allow another person to touch you as they please. and that type of trust takes time to solidify. without these safeguards, where power is properly redistributed to ensure autonomy, its just rape.
so in conclusion: yes they raped each other. it is possible for people to be both victims and perpetrators. and i dont think that saying that it is rape (because it violated all four tenets of consent they way they violated each other) is somehow unproductive. there is a 1:1 ratio between fiction and reality. if you cannot recognise rape in text, how will you recognise it in motion?
I mean I feel like everyone here agrees that this is rape…
class dimissed then…
praising elon musk as a genius entrepreneur is actually pure fucking jokes the man is a stupid deranged white supremacist who inherited an emerald mine and has never worked a day in his life. bitches (author) love to googoogaga for the knife for fucking free
its the first time ive read a story where they dont try to salvage a selfish genocidal warmonger through the ritualistic sacrifice of literally just some poor girl. and for that i feel i must applaud! i think yall are mad because yall expected a more romance appropriate ending with some kind of relief or happy ever after but the story was filled with horror and blood and fear and its not incongruent then for it to end bloody and fearful. i wouldnt say it was satisfying but subverting the genre is rare and honestly i think the ending (even though absurdly abrupt) [is the cia chasing after the author with a knife?] is realistic as hell. its a fairytale when a woman who lives in fear of a man renown for his cruelty suddenly redeems him by repeatedly forcing herself into decisions that betray her comfort and character. so their story ending with him disappearing her from the world in order to cage her forever is consistent with his inhumanity and her willingness to delude herself into believing that imprisonment is peace if he just said this one right thing is too consistent with her character. truth is, almost everybody in her position would have suffered and failed. seraphina then angelica and if time was wound back a hundred more times, a hundred more girls would be dead.
i resent the portrayal of aspd here. the way narrative alludes to aspd as something one is born with - instead of something one develops after repeated exposure to violence (both as victim and witness) - plays into the dehumanising condemnations of mentally ill people in general but those with personality disorders specifically. the mentality of it is intrinsic to who they are thus they are irredeemable therefore there is no helping them (by providing behavioural therapy/coping strategies) because they are monsters (not people) is a dangerous pipeline. a specific kind of dehumanisation i see alot is when people excuse/justify the harm created by mentally ill people. especially because we both know that wooyeon did not try his best nor desired to do his best for anyone, he toyed with people as if they were worth nothing and garnered animosity in return, for which inseob repeatedly paid the price and is continously assaulted and violated by wooyeon for it. wooyeon is not incapable of understanding like some kind of puppy and he does not deserve the leniency shown to children who are not yet able to understand when they do harmful/irresponsible things. he knows what he did because he knows what “no” and “stop” and “i dont want to” means in two seperate languages. and maybe he doesnt feel that it was wrong in his soul but we dont judge people by their souls we hold them accountable in accordance with social standards of ethics and morality. wooyeon like many bl leads are exempt in the big year of our lord 2026 and thats not sympathy for the mentally ill thats holding them to a lower standard because they are considered as lesser than.
inseob’s character is very typical. his most interesting aspect is his guilt. not because i think his feelings were really ‘betraying jennie’. i think its more of a disguise for his internalised homophobia. it better explains his crash out and subsequent guilt in the flashback because she said it first even if she said without intention. i also think that his guilt coloured his delusions, in the sense that he thinks himself a trouble and burden to everyone so being hurt and disrespected like this is the kind of treatment he deserves (that tweet thats like “i pity the fool so deprived of love he finds it in violence”). also in the sense that his guilt isolated him even further. his one friend is dead and his supportive family he refuse to turn to because of undeservingness so he is left lonely beyond recompense. if he had a single true friend to hear half the shit he was innermonologuing about to express genuine worry over his wellbeing and be like gworl what are you on right now i dont think he would have gritted his teeth through half the things he did.
ultimately i despised the sprinkle of sinophobia, the lack of depth in all supporting characters because they were all plot trigger or a resource, the author’s lack of real world understanding visible in the worldbuilding’s lack of dimensions, and most importantly, the fact that 90% of mature scences between them were coercive and frankly fucking disgustingヽ(`Д´)ﾉ !
slow burn? i guess. but more accurately, trash heap on fire presented gift wrapped with pretty bowtie
100% agree
Ok but for some aspd is indeed inborn, ML clearly is a case of a psychopath, who only acts in the interest of himself. They don’t have empathy and don’t understand emotion, that’s why they don’t feel guilty for any wrong thing they do, not even to the MC, because in their mind, as long as they get what they want, they don’t care how bad it is. You need to understand that a psychopath is wired differently than someone who is not a psychopath,their brain chemistry is different, they are not the same as those cliche toxic seme in many bls.
your respond is exactly the mentality of condemnation i was speaking of. it is not as simple as people with aspd cant understanding emotions so they act in disregard of it. people with aspd do struggle to identify emotions but that doesnt mean they are ill adept in social cognition (collecting, processing and storing information regarding others) (thats why a criteria of aspd is deceit, some are very good at it because they know everything about you that is manipulatable information). which is to say that its not that they dont know that its wrong, nor do they like wooyeon fail to feel that its wrong, its more accurately that they are so impulsive they do not consider the consequences of their actions or that when they do, they cannot properly gauge how severe those consequences may be because what is normal for them is not in line with what is normal for society at large. this leads to my second point.
aspd is not inborn. there are associated genetic/biochemical factors with aspd eg MAO-A (MAOA-L/H variant specifically) and 5-HT metabolism. however! these genes do not activate randomly, they are triggered by negative environmental interactions like emotional/physical/psychological/sexual abuse. hence the statistically significant association that family members of those with aspd are born predisposed to developing the condition. there is an association between neuro-structural differences and antisocial behaviour but that is a blanket statement that fails to acknowledge how 1) not all antisocial behaviours qualifies an individual for aspd as neurodivergence also have categories of antisocial behaviours in their diagnosis (antisocial behaviour ≠ antisocial personality disorder), 2) traumatic experience in cognitive development (which is all the way until your brain matures at 25 btw) can literally rewire your biochemistry which increases your likelihood of triggering genetic predisposition or exacerbating existing biochemical factors leading to the development of antisocial behaviour, 3) it is current UNKNOWN whether the visible behavioural, biochemical and neurological difference identified in a remarkably small number of studies are caused by aspd or caused by the lifestyle (dysfunctional household/poor parenting/violent socialisation/etc) and life events (assault/grooming/threatening incidents like bullying/etc) that also triggered aspd. people must show persistent lack of remorse and empathy as well as impulsivity, irresponsibility, aggression, reckless disregard and failure to conform to lawful behaviours since childhood well into adulthood to be diagnosed with aspd. you can name me practically any bl seme and i can identify to you the six criteria which according to the diagnostic and statistical manual would mean bitch got aspd.
why do you think people obsess over these stories so easily and come back again and again for the same microwaved bag of nachos if not for the miracle that a guy unwilling and sometimes unable to value others above himself suddenly cling onto another desperately (a power they earned likely by enduring countless violations) as though a man reborn? its a fairytale between two men that comes from the fairytale of women doing enough emotional labour at the expense of their personhood for long enough to make a monster a man. that would categorically make these untreated undiagnosed unaccommodated men with aspd monsters. and they do consider them monsters which is why instead of treating them as mentally ill people who need helping and can be helped they call them inborn psychopaths and leave a woman or a bottom with zero self worth nor self-esteem to die on the altar.
Imma follow u, person with brains, thank you for the extremely rare display of common sense. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
thank you for having the extremely rare common sense to recognise how hard i cling onto sanity lol
i hope you have a great day ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
this story the very definition of “never worry about being an evil gay freak. there is always a gayer eviler freak behind you.”
meant to upvote queen
The fact that rape and abuse apologist cinderella rip-off bullshit written by mentally deficient racist author who publicly wishes death upon people for reading, like low tide in twilight gets over a hundred episodes when something this good, this beautifully drawn and well developed, ends in five chapters is real devastating stuff
True, true, but if you want to read more of the author's stuff pizza delivery is a good start and it has 82 chapters and more coming. ヾ(☆▽☆)
many thanks for the rec. ive been marinating it all this time (⌒▽⌒)
Ur welcome (=・ω・=)
Couldn't have said it better!!!!! Louder!!!
i read this on webtoon and around the 10s mark i saw a spoiler comment about the archmage and the dragon becoming romantically involved which i didn’t take seriously because a) miltein was just rejected and it was implied that it is because their age gap as well as past history made it impossible for the mercenary guy to see her in a romantic manner. which i thought was common sense. it also set the standard that the story had common sense logic regarding age/dynamic inappropriate attraction. and b) if they wanted me to take the ‘foreshadowing’ (i consider it more of a threat tbh) seriously then they should not have drawn the dragon fem lead’s human form to look like an actual child. because i dont know if yall remember being prepubescent teens but thats what prepubescent teens look like. not to mention that she also acted with little impulse control and impunity, as if a child. by the 20s the constant hinting made me very uncomfortable especially because by that point the math was clear. the great dragon who protected the dwarves set the baseline for old age at around 5000. the known age of dragon fem lead is 799. thus her human age: give or take 16. maybe by feudal standards he wasn’t a pedo but im not living in feudal times and neither was he raised in one so what the fuck is twisted and cursed about him (character explicit) (writer implied) i dont know. what i do know is i ran here to check for confirmation immediately. i was not about to push forward and spoil my own mood for yet another stereotypical power fantasy (〜￣△￣)〜
Ye its true, they do get romantically involved. (Not trying to justify it but just trying to inform you) They did it in a way where they had feelings for each other but they were forced to confront it when the dragon was was forced into a coming of age ceremony and was arranged to marry a misogynist jerk. (Again not trying to justify, but just informing you) Earlier you mentioned the mercenary and the significantly younger girl? Ye so they also get romantically involved... I also thought the writer was setting a precedent for age/dynamic, but now I believe they were trying to set a precedent for "who cares, Love is Love" (￣∇￣")
I got notified about this manhwa, so I checked the comments directly. Dude, someone might get mad at you for commenting like this I basically commented that it gives off pedo vibes but all I got was hate
Thanks for informing me. I was better off not knowing though (￣∇￣")
Also the precedent did not turn out to be “Love is Love”. More like “fuck your pseudo-daughter if you want no one will question you or attempt to stop you since it doesnt matter cause *insert bullshit reason like shes a dragon (still practically a child) (becoming legal doesnt make you grown) / she pursued you first (was raised by him half her life) (thats not daddy, thats Father.)”
I have been dogpiled i mean like genuinely torn to psychological shreds for identifying pedo shit as pedo shit before but it wont stop me from calling things what they are lmao. The earth follows the sun, 1+1=2 and having feelings for your barely legal pseudo-daughter makes you a bonafide pedophile.
Now that I think about it even if she ended up with one of the black dragons, they were all probably out of her age range. I think it's before the ceremony that one of them says that they haven't had a coming of age ceremony in a long time and the guy they matched her with was apparently a war hero. Given the population thing the dragons kept talking about I don't think they would send someone who hasn't come of age yet out to war so that guy was probably late 20s to early 30s at most. Even if I'm wrong about the age, at the very least all the black dragons are above 800 or even maybe 950. I was mainly basing this off of them needing to wait 800 years for their coming of age and for a dragon to say that it's been a long time since the last one has to be like 300 - 400 years.
Yea I'm with u, I just read chapter upto 25 and I came to the comments cause I am not gonna keep reading if they're gonna develop romantically. That is just insane and not smth I can overlook. I thought he'd be a more logical common sense modern type guy but ig not
loyer trust the personal attorney is right up there with sara blizzard the weather forecast reporter, andrew drinkwater the water researcher, page turner the author, les mcburney the firefighter, joshua butt the gastroenterologist and usain bolt the sprinter.