Am I the only one who thinks Jihye is exaggerating? Gyoon wasn't his boyfriend and Jihye never even told him he liked him back.
I can understand being upset/a little jealous but this attitude of immediately breaking off their friendship and not even allowing him to apologize is just...way too much.
Before this arc I was pretty okay with this couple but the way it is now I really don't care for it. Gyoon deserves someone who likes him just as much as he likes them and won't just drop him because of a misunderstanding
i mean his reaction was kinda exaggerated, but i think that we shouldn't judge Jihye too harshly. if you think about it, a lot of people have taken advantage of his kind nature and treated him insincerely, so i think that he felt betrayed because the firs person to treat him with absolute honesty turned out to be hiding something from him
anyway this is just my take, i sonrta like him so i had a need to defend him
I get that they're all crossdressers but I feel like Ootori is more of a trans girl. "He" is genuinely depressed when living as a man and is only cheerful and open when dressed as a girl. That weird explanation of him falling in love with himself could easily be seen as him liking being a girl much more.
Of course, I'm not actually expecting any meaningful trans representation in a gag manga about crossdressers. (￣∇￣")
To be honest, I get the twins, since I learnt more about drag I wanted to try it myself because I just thought "I could look pretty hot" lol so I don't think he would be more of a trans person, but he does seem to have some shared feelings with a trans girl.
I do hope they have trans representation in the future, since the manga seems pretty queer-accepting (at least to me) (=・ω・=)
i dont think he's trans. He prefers to cross dress not because he feels/thinks that he is a girl but because of other people's attitude towards his male appearance.
Hey guys! Thanks for the nice replies, even if we don't agree. At this point, it's just a matter of opinion since the manga has already stated what is "canon".
As a little aside, by attitude towards his male appearance what do you mean exactly? That he's popular and admired by girls? Because he doesn't seem to mind the love and attention "he" receives when dressed as a girl. In fact, he seems to love it.
Anyway, as I said, this is just how I feel. Ootori is canonically a crossdresser but I do feel "he" could very easily be read as a trans girl, which I think is a more interesting interpretation.
Well to me i think Ryuugasaki is the one that could be read as a trans girl. Ootori in my opinion just like cross dressing as his ideal female it’s basically can kinda be interpreted as cosplay. Just like how @yaoi fangirl said Ootori prefers to cross dress not because he feels/thinks he is a girl. The twins is basically just using their looks and the personality of their ideal lover to complete their fantasies. Ootori in my opinion couldn’t be interpreted as a female since he doesn’t believe he a female inside and out. While it’s different with Ryuugasaki so to me he could be interpreted as a trans girl.
But that’s just my opinion! I respect and could agree with your opinion a little bit.
How come the author decided to blame Jinwoo for everything in the end? They were both clearly to blame. They're not kids anymore, they dated for TEN YEARS and never learned how to use their words? That's just...I don't know. I'm sure there's people like that in real life, but I wouldn't consider that an ideal relationship. Could Jinwoo have put in more of an effort? Absolutely. Could Candy have voice any of his worries during the months before abruptly breaking up with him like nothing? Of course. And now that they're getting back together, I would've liked to see what they like about each other NOW. We know why and how they loved each other so much in the past but they don't seem to share anything other than an old love :/
Don't get me wrong, it's a cute manga. The art was beautiful they whole way through and it kept me pretty entertained. I just don't think that the couple ending together automatically equals a good ending.
I think Jinwoo is more to blame. Every time I invite you out you’re busy? You don’t look happy anymore when I see you? I mean.....
Yes, Candy should’ve opened his mouth to speak but it sounds like Jinwoo is the one who lost interest.
Hmm I think Jinwoo was more at fault, but obviously like you said, it's not only his fault. However, because the story is from JINWOO'S perspective, he blamed himself-- which is why the manhwa probably came across like that? I think the last 3 extra chapters are from Candy's perspective, so maybe we'll get more of what he thought there.
And also, I think in the end Jinwoo telling Candy to STAY, was showing how he wants to TRY again, not that he necessarily loves Candy just as he did in the past. You seem to be saying they shouldn't end up together because it looks like they don't love each other anymore, and only loved each other in the past. But that's the thing with old relationships and relationships that lose their spark through time..... like I don't think it's wrong for a relationship to take more EFFORT, and yes: clinging onto the past to keep it together, even if they dont seem to share a lot of common ground in the present. Because one day through that effort, they're gonna remember why they not "loved" but STILL LOVE each other. I mean that's a form of love too.
I appreciate you guys replying super calmly and I liked reading what you wrote, I just politely disagree. While the manga is from Jinwoo's perspective, the whole diary segment was not. That would've been a great moment to humanize the current Candy a lot but instead he became really flat (for my tastes). It's a DAIRY. Most people use diaries to vent and Candy was in a stressful situation yet he doesn't express any feeling other than helpless sadness for their relationship. His ACTIONS on the other hand, seem pretty frustrated, annoyed, perhaps even angry at Jinwoo. The saint that is painted in the dairy isn't really the same guy that coldly dumped Jinwoo and withdrew from his friends.
About the last paragraph, seeing how old relationships lose their spark and can be regained is something I love. I love seeing how complicated things get but that there's a silver lining at the end. However, I don't buy it here, I'm sorry. Jinwoo felt very nostalgic about their past relationship (which is completely understandble, especially in his circumstances) as did Candy, but there's really nothing keeping them together anymore. Which is what I meant with my last thoughts. What do they like about each other NOW? What unites them? They lead extremly different lives and have different goals so are they going back into a dying relationship out of nostalgia? I don't know, I guess I could clearly feel their love in all the flashbacks but I genuinely don't feel it in the present.
It's nice to hear other opinions, though!
This chapter was...so stupid...I was rolling my eyes the whole way through...
I still like the story but I hate dumb misunderstandings like these #－.－)
omfg agreed
Definitely. These two are not on the same page at all right now.
I'm sorry but I've met people like her before. I know she is acting with the best intentions but what she's doing is not only misguided, it's fethishizing and very harmful to actual LGBT+ individuals.
I'm hoping the author is aware of this and is planning to show how this is wrong through this character. It'll be the first time I see this very real problem adressed in a bl and has the potential to leave a great message to the readers. If the girl is never set right, however, I will be sorely disappointed.
Sorry for the somber tone but those first pages made me very uncomfortable. (Hoping thats what they were going for, too)
I actually think its very obvious that Djun-sama is aware of this. That is why he gives us the readers two opposing sides to Lihuan's chasing: Wangwang/the girl and the other male classmate. Not to mention that the very fact Lihuan and Yuyang aren't together is because of that very fact. Love, even when it's gay, is not so easy like rainbows and butterflies. There's very blatant conflict in how Yuyang sees Lihuan.
What a fucking terrible first kiss. YuYang is not only drunk, he's VERY upset and kissing someone to shut them up is nowhwere near as romantic as it seems. I understand why Li Huan would do so but it'll probably only make the situation worse. I'm kind of confused now beacause, although it's happening faster than usual, the beginning was very refreshing for it's subversion of yaoi tropes. Now it looks like it's following them pretty straight.
Still, I do love these characters and I have faith in the author so I'm hoping it's only a temporary thing.
Tbh I'd rather take a forced kiss to calm someone down rather than someone being a dickhole for 3 chapters assuming someone and cutting them off without confrontation.
Oh! I absolutely agree YuYang's actions these past few chapters have been seriously immature. Still, forcing physical affection on someone who is not only very upset but also DRUNK doesn't make it right
This manga used to be super cute and the art style is absolutely beautiful but I'm incredibly uncomfortable with recent developments. The whole 'forcing them down and pushing yourselves onto them' is disgusting and horribly cliche, not to mention Daiki had proved himself to be a good guy before that. And he isn't even reflecting on it!! Or feeling guilty!! He's effectively saying he's blameless because he was "irresistible". Sorry to say, victim blaming isn't my thing.
I like this author and I had been loving Yoake ni Furu, but I think it's time for me to let it go. Hopefully, the author's next works will lack this rape-y vibe.
I have to agree. Im so incredibly disappointed. Its just sad. Everything Shouta is going through is sad. He doesn't have anyone he feels he can rely on and everyone around him is being selfish, except for that girl. Honestly, fuck it, she is the only one who has treated him right and worried about him all this time. Fuck Daiki, I wish Shouta could be with that girl who ACTUALLY loves him. She cares about him and has watched over him and put his feelings first. Meanwhile, Daiki has been absolutely nothing but selfish. He hasn't thought about what Shouta has been going through one bit and looking back, every time they talked in the whole manga and Shouta tried to talk about himself and his like Daiki was completely only thinking about himself and not even really listening. Daiki sucks. Shouta deserves better.
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I know I'm in the minority here but I wish this new guy luck. Nothing personal against Mi Xi but Xiao Shang deserves a stable and balanced relationship for once. It's obviously not gonna happen tho
On another note, Ah Ao is me son and I want him safe and sound
I can understand your point of view. Doesn't mean I agree with (as I still ship the "Mi Xi" Imperial Cruise Line), but as long as the new guy doesn't turn out to be an asshole, I will respect those who ship with the new guy. If he turns out to be a really nice guy and the original ship with Mi Xi goes through, then I would not be adversed to seeing this new guys story with a love interest of his own, either.
Just realized, I said "but as long as the new guy doesn't turn out to be an asshole, I will respect those who ship with the new guy." And that makes it sound as though I will stop respecting you and those who agree with you if the character turns out to be an asshole. I did not mean it that way. LOL I meant it as I will respect the idea of the ship itself (meaning I will not actively argue against the ship should it come to pass, even though I would be disappointed). You guys I will respect because you are being respectful of others, and a characters change of heart/attitude will not affect that. Does that make sense? I am on pain meds, so I hope it does. LOL
Oh, I'm the same way! As I mentioned, I don't have any particular ill will towards Mi Xi, much less towards his fans! I'm glad we can all be civil about this :D
I love this comment section for calling out what was a very dubious and somewhat uncomfortable sex scene. In most yaoi, this wouldn't garner any attention to but I've seen several comments I agree with. I guess many of us liked how enthusiastic and consensual their relationship was up until this point :(
a similar scene has happened before, no?
Noooooo meant to likeeee!!
Oof never mind ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
Being completely honest, I started reading this a long, long time ago so I'd have to reread it to answer you properly but from what I can remember, it had never been like this, where one of them was very clearly beyond the point of consent (since soo hwa doesn't even remember it) and even worse, where the narrative had soo hwa agree that he deserved it. Sign focuses a lot on communication and I love that, but at no point did the narrative or either of the characters even imply that what happened was wrong :(