Unpopular opinion, but I really like ML simply because he's written like a real person. I've read too many 'perfect' MLs or cartoonishly evil MLs that this one honestly breathes some life into the story. He's made mistakes, he's still making mistakes, but damn he's at least well written.
And that he's not all too powerful and knows what happened in the background
Love the story, my heart breaks for Jooyeong and unfortunately his story is a little too soaked in reality (but also why the story is probably one of the better BLs in my opinion.)
But boy, I'm a little pissed at Jonghan. How the series started, I really thought Jooyeong had disappeared on him while they were dating. But no, Jonghan is butthurt over what his own actions caused.
I actually love they don't hide Jaemin being an absolute psycho. So many manhwas will have crazy MLs that look hot or suave while being absolute batshit. Author is like 'Jaemin is crazy, and he's going to look proper crazy too.'
The more we see the past, the more depressing it is to see the MCs life getting derailed by a toxic ex. It's hard to grow up and live a life that is worse than what we envisioned.
There's not too many stories on here that hold my interest quite like this. So stoked to see this come back.
"I wish I knew how to quit this type of manhwas they're really sick", "F*ck why did I even read this shit aghhh."
I genuinely feel bad for people that leave comments like these. They obviously like or have a morbid curiosity to stories like these and feel guilty. Why keep returning to something that disgusts you? I have a pretty big threshold to disturbing content, but I have my limits. If it's something I know will disturb me beyond what I can stand, I avoid it. And yeah, sometimes I accidentally come across something that really upsets me. But I would never seek it out again?
And you're not a bad person for enjoying or seeking out this content. I say this kindly, but if you liking this disturbs you, seek out a therapist. Talking to a professional might be an eye-opener as to why you keep returning to these types of stories. And 9/10, it's usually not nefarious reasons like you wanting to hurt someone or be hurt.
True, I guess it stems from this internalized shame. It can be linked to so many individualistic aspects. But most common ones are aligned with religious duty and not wanting to view themselves as deranged.
Seeking out this content is fine your not a bad person for that but liking it?? Hell nahhh broo. I mean I’m reading cuz I love Minho. And I like the angst but the rape shit is just buns bro. The story would still be fine without the graphic depictions of rape
Guess you got too lost in the sauce that you forgot MC's name was Jiwook and not Minho
No I actually meant minho. I love my baby so much anyone who reminds me of Minho is Minho.
Thankfully the other dude doesn’t look like that blondie.
Ohh yeah, Minho's a bitch but he didn't deserve all that shit. Fuck Duna, the man child, and the stupid blonde creep. Ew I hate how people glaze the living shit out of the blonde anomaly...
Thankfully, but they're both assssssss
Frrrrr That pissed me for so much in SB, how did the rapists (Doona & Wook) get the best endings while Minho got to suffer??? I swear the author has a personal vendetta against him. His only crime was being an asshole I love him sm ugh
LMAO EXACTLY btw it's been confirmed that Minho was supposed to represent the author's ex or smt and she decided to take our her rage and shit through the manhwa. So weird oml...
I'm a little confused why someone would seek out this content if they didn't like it?
As for liking this, the answers might surprise you. I've been very privileged to hear the 'whys' to someone liking something, and people might be more keen to share if people ask with curiosity rather than judgement.
Some of the reasons I've learned from people was sexual repression, not feeling confident initiating sex IRL, a vendetta against men, and some deeper traumas. The reason of liking fiction isn't a perfect equation. 'I like reading this' doesn't mean 'I want this' (and sometimes it is, but again, the majority of people I've talked to and have been opened about that discussion have not said they wish to be raped or to rape).
I also heavily disagree that people's morals are linked to what they read as some of the worst and most harmful people were into 'pure wholesome' stories .
Oh yeah the author mentioned in the Q & A that Minho’s personality was based on someone she knew irl but appearance was totally different. He wasn’t an ex as far as I’m aware but she def used Minho as a punching bag for her unresolved trauma XD
The content presented here is a revenge story between a rape victim and another rape victim. Now in summary it's a revenge story. There’s nothing wrong with a type of content that can represent the rage of a rape victim and wanting to do the same thing that happened to them to the main perpetrator who did that to them, after all this is fiction. The problem with this story is that, it does not represent rage, and a proper depiction of how a rape victim would act. They instead made the victim another perpetrator and plan to justify such a thing. Not only that, but why such a graphic depiction of rape? Rape is a sensitive topic, implication, representation helps everybody think about how horrifying it is. Instead YOU claim it will help people who are afraid of trying sex? You know that graphic depiction of rape would be their BASIS when doing sex, which actively helps in raising the number of rapists already in the world.
Your first claim is sexual repression. Why in the world should rape help with sexual repression? Doesn’t that make it worse? Sexual repression is one's avoidance of one’s sexual desires out of fear. RAPE, you think RAPE?? Will fucking help? It will erode someone’s fucking mind and WILL think forced sex as actually desirable. My God, there’s smut out here. And you say rape. Trauma is not a justification for supporting the idea of rape. And so does the vendetta against men.
The people you “talked” to aren’t a guarantee that liking this will do nothing. When so many studies from the National Institutes of Health show that fiction does affect reality, a lot, it can manipulate one’s desires, empathy, perception of reality, etc.
Liking fiction is not a perfect equation but the idea of this content is the main reason why liking this story is BUNS. Look at this.
Rape victim getting revenge through rape = Sure, that is a representation, through fiction
Graphic depictions of rape and showing it as desirable = HAHA NO.
And yeah your last claim? Haha no, plain bullshit. Take a look at Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, and Issei Sagawa. What helped them to be such disgusting criminals? Oh, that's right! FICTION. FICTIONAL DEPICTIONS OF SENSITIVE TOPICS. Now where the fuck did you get such a claim that criminals watched wholesome stories? Give me an example my friend. If you're gonna base Issei because of the Hansel and Gretel shit? Haha, the one that kick-started his cannibalism spree is his reading of depictions of cannibalism.
Your claim is the Catharsis Effect my friend, not a bad claim but statistically speaking, the Escalation Effect is the one most likely to happen. This my friend is the effect where predisposed individuals would get desensitized over such a sensitive topic. This my friend supports the idea that this type of media can act as a vocabulary, an imagery to move from thought to action, since the consumers of this media would be desensitized.
If this type of content truly does 'help’ with repression, why do people who consumes these media consistently seek out more extreme, more graphic, and more disgusting versions of it over time?
Me? I have been this type of person. And I’m currently slowly going back to that person I was since I am here. But at the very least I know it's bad.
Ah I believe you've greatly misunderstood me and don't know if it's worth trying to explain because these are not my stories to tell. Firstly, I don't believe I ever said "it will help people who are afraid of trying sex." I never said anything near that rape fiction would help with sex. I said WHY someone might like it. And the answer could be beyond 'I like rape'.
The examples I gave were from personal stories, so I will not repeat them here. Mostly I was giving you a variety of reasons that I've heard of why people sought out rape fiction. But none. And I mean none of the people I've talked to were in support of rape. Ever. Most are able to recognize what consent is in real life. If anything, I get more annoyed with dubious consent, because somehow people have normalized that into the real world whereas a story like Revenge Thinking, there is no dispute that the actions taken here are sick or wrong.
Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.
You also claimed that there are studies from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) stating that fiction does affect reality. I don't disagree. Clear distinction of where fantasies start entering dangerous territory is when 1) you have obsessive thinking 2) you become detailed thoughts on how to bring a fantasy to life 3) It start to hinder your day to day life, etc
Also I did take a look and the same NIH you suggested have studies on rape fantasies, especially for woman, and none of the articles I read demonize the women or even called it a negative, save for one.
Also I side with both the Catharsis Effect and the Escalation Effect, but I don't see evidence that an Escalation Effect is the one most likely to happen. Also, controversial opinion. Desensitization is not always a bad thing if you have proper values and morals. Case and point, a nurse being horrified to work at a burn clinic until they become more adjusted on what to expect.
Lastly, you used examples of serial killers and terrorists. That's a very extreme depiction, and I would still argue that their home life and mental health had more of an impact on them than fiction (I can't even say what fictions they read). You have very real cases like religious figures claiming purity and morality that have abused children. Also, not that you might believe me, but when I said that someone's morals does not equate their actions, I was thinking of my own experience. I will not be detailed, but I had a person that I was close to, who was 'disgusted' by all things sexual. Would call men that were overly sexual trash and that he was a 'safe' person to be around until he wasn't. So no, I believe actions over words.
Some people seek out this content and do need help. I believe the vast majority of people can recognize reality over fiction. I'm glad you're content on whatever journey you are on, and can understand that if you've had a personal experience of how fiction affected you, I can understand why you're passionate. But I don't believe that's everyone's experience. I'll be honest, this was a chunk to write. I'll read whatever you have to say but probably won't continue with the conversation.
I can see here you are trying to be reasonable. But you’re ignoring the actual mechanics of how humans think, the main point of my argument.
Lemme break up yo claims
First Claim: "I don't believe I ever said "it will help people who are afraid of trying sex." I never said anything near that rape fiction would help with sex. I said WHY someone might like it."
Hoe?
You brought up "sexual repression" and "not feeling confident initiating sex IRL" as reasons, if that isn’t an implication that this type of media “helps with these issues, then you actively admit that people use these types of fiction as a fetish for their dysfunctions.
Whether they likey or help them, the results are fucking the same. They’re feeding what’s missing from them with graphic violence.
2nd Claim: “The examples I gave were from personal stories, so I will not repeat them here. Mostly I was giving you a variety of reasons that I've heard of why people sought out rape fiction. But none. And I mean none of the people I've talked to were in support of rape.”
Hunny Bunn are you giving anecdotal evidence? Hun, enough with these, give me statisticss. Your bases are a small circle of people who obviously wouldn’t admit that easily whether they gon commit crimes.
A predator doesn’t go out wearing a shirt i’m a predator, or go on Roblox podcasts saying shits like I like kids.
“People I know” bullshit, that does not amount to anything as a metric for global psychology, cuz that is plainly statistically bullshit.
3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
I’m just a lil boy (=・ω・=)
Ohh thats messed up but lowk so funny
What the helly this is so well worded
You really said all that only to ultimately admit that you yourself are the type of person to seek out increasingly more graphic material. "Oh, woe is me, I can't help but interact with violent stuff and everyone else is like me..." Okay, so YOU'RE desensitized lol. YOU cannot distinguish the boundary between fiction and reality. YOU'RE regressing into behaviors that are a detriment to your health. Why project that onto other people? I'd say you're the most at risk party here and I feel sorry for you. People say admitting is the first step, but all you've done here is finagle yourself a justification for the indulgence OP was calling out in their first comment.
I don't understand how people can practice what is essentially virtual self-harm, as silly as it sounds, but act like the computer is holding them hostage. TURN THAT SHIT OFF. Saying "wELL aT lEaST I dOn'T LikE iT" is intellectually-bankrupt. We can all recognize that all media affects people differently, but you're putting the responsibility of your own mental health onto the author, other readers, etc. You think scolding people over yaoi is going to save your soul or some shit when you turn out to be the 10% OP described who ends up on LiveLeak watching heinous shit IRL? Not everyone is like you, be serious.
I just realized this isn’t complete. Lemme complete it since NotJax here is clearly fucking stupid.
3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
I can’t tell if it posted or not
3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
Can y'all see this?
HELP
Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim
Wtff. 4th claim: “Also I did take a look and the same NIH you suggested has studies on rape fantasies, especially for woman, and none of the articles I read demonize the women or even called it a negative, save for one.”
I think I’m in love with you
Y'all I give up. My posts won't send properly
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsAkiNny9scstl7CqU6Yyee48qxRxgmvMSY9llJKQQU/edit?usp=sharing
Y'all this was my full reply
What
YES A REPLY! AND ANOTHER BULLSHIT ONE!! OH I’M IN
LOVE WITH YOU
YOHOHOHOHOHO YOU’RE SOO FUCKIGN DUMB I LOVE DUMB PEOPLE SO MUCH
1ST CLAIM I LOVEE YOU SOO MUCH : “I don't understand how people can practice what is essentially virtual self-harm, as silly as it sounds, but act like the computer is holding them hostage. TURN THAT SHIT OFF.”
BITCH? DID YOU JUST STRAWMAN ME? BAHHAHAHAHA THIS ISN’T ONEPIECE.
I never said i’m a hostage no? I said that, that content is an addictive accelerant. Are you a child? Honey please turn that phone off
Psychological addiction and desensitization isn’t about that being held hostage bullshit you trying to claim. THEY are about the brain’s reward system being hijacked.
“just turn it off" BAHAHAHAHHAH. WERE discussing the Escalation Effect??
ITS LIKE telling a lung cancer patient "just stop breathing the smoke now."
The damage is in the exposure(Which is this content), not the exit (Rehabilitating from that addiction).
2nd Claim: “"wELL aT lEaST I dOn'T LikE iT" is intellectually-bankrupt. We can all recognize that all media affects people differently, but you're putting the responsibility of your own mental health onto the author, other readers, etc.”
BITCH?? Do you know what product liability is? How about a quick fucking research?
If GTA 6 releases and the game triggers seizures, we don't say "it’s the player's responsibility." We acknowledge the product is a trigger.
When a person writes graphic rape as "likeable/satisfactory," they are providing a mental blueprint for violence.
3rd claim: “You think scolding people over yaoi is going to save your soul or some shit when you turn out to be the 10% OP described who ends up on LiveLeak watching heinous shit IRL? Not everyone is like you, be serious.”
SELF-REPORT. This among us? We playing among us right now?
You collateral inbred individual just admitted to me that consumers of this content do escalate to watching real-world "heinous shit."
YOU just conceded my entire argument. If 1 in 10 people end up seeking real-world horror because of this "yaoi," then this fuckass yaoi, statistically significantly gateways to deviancy. YOU my dear is a DEVIANT. You are literally arguing that entertainment is worth the "10%" sacrificial lambs of people losing their humanity.
This my final say thank you dear for proving my point even without this reply.
Thank you for admitting the Escalation Effect is real. If your hobby creates a pipeline to LiveLeak for 10% of its readers, you've proven my point better than I ever could.
Idk either man it either sends or not for some reason
1st claim (I’m loving this already): “You really said all that only to ultimately admit that you yourself are the type of person to seek out increasingly more graphic material” “Why project that onto other people?”
I didn’t project sweetie, I gave a testimony.
If a now non-smoker tells a smoker "Hey! Cigs cause cancer, I had lung cancer" would the smoker instead say "Stop projecting your weak lungs on me!". Seems idiotic no?
And why the fuck are you weaponizing MY HONESTY to invalidate MY LOGIC?
Claim 2(You my dear is an illiterate): “YOU cannot distinguish the boundary between fiction and reality. YOU'RE regressing into behaviors that are a detriment to your health.”
Did you even understand what I said on that? Do you even understand the words that you put into that?
Claiming to be immune to desensitization is scientifically ILLITERATE.
You my whore are giving the third-person effect. You a main character or sum? “media affects other people, but not me” ahh.
Search up General Aggression Model, this proves my point that the media affects everyone’s and when I mean everyone, EVEYONE’S baseline empathy and neural pathways, whether they "FEEL" it or nahh.
Turd Claim: “I'd say you're the most at risk party here and I feel sorry for you. People say admitting is the first step, but all you've done here is finagle yourself a justification for the indulgence OP was calling out in their first comment.”
Are you literally giving me a false pity tactic? ARE you trying to frame MY scientific argument as a "cry for help"??? JUST so you COULD AVOID answering the citations I PROVIDED??
Admitting that a fire is hot isn't "justifying" being burned. ITS A FUCKING WARNING. WHY are YOU so desperate to protect YOUR "indulgence" that YOU have to pathologize ME for pointing out the side effects?
Genuinely with all the kindness in my heart, I’m not reading all of that. Get therapy or something idk, it’s not my fault that reading manhwa warps you. And maybe stop typing like a cartoon villain lmfao
My entire point was that you can’t argue that rape manhwa has the same effect on everybody. Trying to make others take accountability for you or someone else being a bad actor is stupid. Hope you don’t become a danger to others around you xoxo
WELL YOU SEE MY DEAR WATSON, THIS IS WHY I READ RAPE YAOI AND VIRTUE SIGNAL, AS I AM A 9000 IQ RICK AND MORTY WATCHER
Idk bruh but typing like that is always the biggest tell you have actual tears in your eyes. It’s giving failed psychology student trying to make it all worth it via mangago. I bet Grammarly tried to commit suicide halfway through your paragraph
Huh. You’re genuinely stupid. If you don’t have reading comprehension and genuinely sports rape man. Just say it outright instead of embarrassing yourself like this? Be mature for once and give me a proper answer. Read that god forsaken essay I made, so at least you can learn you superficial imbecile
Oh you actually did admit. Damn. idk what to say. Oh my days. And society calls me gay
Omg wait I can’t even. I just can’t stop laughing at this tomfoolery. I bet like 16 dollars you're barely 14 y/o. All I’m hearing is, “I like rape cuz I’m a superficial loser that can’t get a life” -said by you probably
No, I’m making fun of YOU. That’s what YOU sound like. All that Grammarly and you can’t even read tone. I bet you sat back in your chair and pushed your glasses up thinking you’re Light Yagami or summ.
“HEH, YOU HAVE NO READING COMPREHENSION, UNLIKE I, COKMAN, VALEDICTORIAN OF YAOI ACADEMY WITH A MAGNA CUM LAUDE…” -you
It’s like watching an Ace Attorney culprit start freaking out and word-vomitting at the witness stand when they’re about to be caught. The world is such an interesting place.
“Heh…heh heh heh….you fool…you silly twerp…you fell right into my trap! The folly of your youth has blindsided you, culminating in my perfect victory!!! What you erroneously thought was a debate was actually a desperate bid for human connection by acting like yaoi is a complex school of thought! And you fell hook, line, and sinker. My megalomania knows no bounds…heh.” -Cokman, 2026
Bro tell me about it, they've been on my ass for two weeks, replying to all my comments without any means of achieving a resolution. I don't think you should really bother with them because they are really bent on attacking others.
I don't get why they take these arguments so personally when it isn't even an attack at them but the work they constantly consume without acknowledging the underlying flaws and detrimental effects.
When you decide to argue against their perspectives that is founded on challenging the 'slippery slope' argument and "fiction doesn't impact reality," they start calling you a moral police when this was never about elevating one's online presence or cultivating a superiority complex on a digital platform... It's basic media literacy
But genuinely NotJax is actually stupid and no matter how well articulated your arguments are, they will always find a way to attack YOU. It's so repetitive and overdone..
When did I call you a moral police…if that’s what you’re going for then you’re doing a bad job at it. I just made fun of you for virtue signalling on a yaoi manhwa.
It genuinely does lol. It's not an individual effect but a universal response. The brain just functions that way. With repeated exposure to something, it begins to associate that something as normal and acceptable. You can't argue against psychology bae?
In your own words, you said you would continue reading this manhwa and that it interests you too much to put down, and yet you’re trying to call out other people for letting it affect them unhealthily. I highly doubt the audience of this very adult, very graphic manhwa are walking away with the presumption that Revenge is the pinnacle of romance, but you are genuinely just as lost and confused as the “apologists” you’re calling out. I guess you’re too intellectual to let it “groom your mind”.
You did several times brochancho anyways that really isn't the point. You can keep deflecting actual arguments because it's clear as day that you're specimen A of what happens to deluded people who believe they can beat a psychological system.. When in reality, no one can!!
Oh okay, so what does that have to say about you, mister “I’m going to continue to read the manhwa even though it’s bad for me because I think it’s too addicting to put down”? Quickly!
Brochancho we've be through this argument several times. Go read the replies I sent you in the other comment thread and educate your illeterate ass. I can't with u rn ur actually cracking me up
Oh okay I guess we’re in the matrix apparently.
So be it
Typing through tears is amazing…you’re so talented.
I mean thanks for calling me talented, idk abt the tears part tho
Yeah you’re welcome. I guess everyone has to be proficient in at least Something.
Yeah, good luck in finding that something. Can't have you being talentless and useless for too long chadlite
Could same the same to you. Maybe a support group for people who got mentally groomed by yaoi?
Thanks for the concern, lobotolite.
Nah I'm good. Maybe consider special education? I bet if they dissected you, and sliced your skull in half, they'd find a teeny weeny peanut instead
Of course, black pillar chadlite.
Thanks g. I bet if they trepanated you they’d find a jpeg of a panel of Jiwook getting raped in that dome.
This is the real heart and soul of mangago. Calling each other names while pirating yaoi. World peace could happen if Trump and Netan[Mario soundbite] could do the same.
Who cares about world peace when Trump can be dicked down by bibi ON THE DAILY?? Sounds like a steal for Trump
I hope I don't get assassinated
They should make toxic yaoi where he has to choose between Elon Musk and Netanyahu because he’s going into heat at the Oval Office idk.
LMAO, and make it omegaverse. Trump can give birth to Epstein and then we'll have perfect material for dark romance
I can't remember the last time there was a BL with actual monster fucking
Yeesh, rereading this and there's so many black flags. Really hoping the author is trying to subvert expectations. I fear this series might devastate me.
I'm laughing because these are highschoolers
like... it really is that serious huh