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LMFAO IM ON THE 12th NOW I DIDNT KNOW HE WAS RHE BLONDE GUYstill disappointed that I didn't find another rare brunette ml tho

Me reading your og comment: *confused*
Me reading you reply: *grins*

Lol same

It honestly would’ve just been better if they had at least given the readers the impression that the archduke might be what the princess believes he is, but his current characterisation and the early revel of the emperor fuelling the miscommunication, this just gives of such boring writing. Cause now do I know that the princess is mistaken but now I have to read the whole story from this lens and get frustrated.

I could hardly consider this incest tbh, technically it is bc they’re related by coming from the same parent god but they’re not human… it’s feels pointless to apply human morals and ethics upon gods who only serves their own purpose and desires.

Also enjoying such dark stories like these doesn’t immediately mean it’s a kink. People can enjoy these bc they know it’s fiction and that’s where the line is drawn, I like the incest/SA/ and other taboos in stories not bc I want it to happen to me or to others, it doesn’t make it my kink. You’re weird for saying that. I like these elements bc it keeps the story entertaining and it there to intentionally make feel and think for myself like this or that scene is bad or this character is bad for doing it, so I feel bad and that’s the point, it succeeded in evoking a feeling regardless if that’s good or bad which is what creative works/art are supposed to do.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're giving “it's fiction” way too much credit here. You can recognize that something is fictional without treating “it’s fiction” as a carte blanche that exempts it from moral judgment. Obviously enjoying a fictional portrayal of SA or other taboo subjects doesn't mean you want it happening to you or someone else, but that doesn't suddenly make the interest itself immune to criticism either. If someone says they genuinely enjoy stories where coercion, rape, incest, etc. are used as entertainment or major sources of appeal, I don't think it's unreasonable to question that taste. You don't have to secretly want those things in real life for people to find the enjoyment uncomfortable or disturbing, especially when these aren't just imaginary concepts with no real-world equivalent. And the “they're gods so it's hardly incest” point doesn't really work for me either. Their species being different from humans doesn't somehow nullify the familial relationship the story itself establishes; if characters are deliberately written as being related and that relationship is then sexualized, calling it incest is hardly some bizarre stretch. You can say their world doesn't follow human ethics, sure, but that doesn't erase what the relationship is. Also, ENNEAD already had plenty to work with without relying so heavily on sexual violence. The power struggle, mythology, betrayal, manipulation and the characters' messed up relationships were interesting enough on their own. A story can make you angry, uncomfortable or fascinated through its writing without rape or sexual assault having to carry that weight. You can enjoy those elements for whatever reason you do, that's obviously your choice, but I'm allowed to look at that same enjoyment and think it's pretty questionable. That's kinda the point of having opinions lol.

Tell me you've never read Egyptian (or Greek tbh) mythology without telling me you've never read Egyptian or Greek mythology. Yeah, of course this story is going to have dark, difficult themes that clash with our modern mindsets. Understand that these elements you're talking about were established by the mythos itself, not just arbitrarily invented in this webtoon to satisfy some modern author's/audience's "fucked up kinks."

Creating a story based on the lore of the Egyptian Ennead and having these darker themes (godly incest, rape, abuse of divine power) is like making a story about sirens and having them drown sailors. It's a darker side of the lore you're engaging with--these stories have evolved over the course of human history, in different times than our own, and that means there are going to be things that don't adhere to our modern morals. That doesn't mean everyone reading and enjoying the hypothetical siren story likes seeing people drown, or that everyone reading this series just does it for their "fucked up kinks." (Also, I can't believe there are actually people kinkshaming in the comments section of mangago, of all places).

It can definitely be uncomfortable to read the rape scenes (it always hurts my heart to see Seth suffering) but with the exception of that one early bonus chapter set in an AU, none of the nonconsensual intimacy in this series is glorified or portrayed as something to enjoy. Also, they DO HAVE warnings at the beginning of chapters containing rape and/or violence. So you can definitely avoid it if you want to.

That's not even addressing the fact that this story is MEANT, at times, to be heavy and uncomfortable. The CORE themes in this webtoon revolve around complex relationships between guilt and fear, past sins and present atonement, what it means to be a god, and the nature of humanity. The romance is similarly nuanced, engaging with questions about vengeance and forgiveness, loyalty and obsession, and rejection and companionship.

Also, we're at chapter 212. Not sure when you stopped reading, but given that you didn't even read the whole story, you're in absolutely no place to say "more than half" of the romance is just "rape and sexual assault." The comment is a) frustrating, and b) objectively wrong. The relationship between Seth and Horus has been developed far more through non-sexual interactions than it has sexual ones.

Don't like, don't read. But you don't need to call the series "garbage" either.

oh my god pagi is just sharing their opinion. its NOT that deep yall

and anyone is allowed to express there disagreement with his opinion , not a big deal ╮(￣▽￣)╭

agree with you , I like UNCHANGED MAN alot , not because I have a kink for all those dark themes like r@pe and all but the way author has wrote it , every chapter just makes you want more .

Unless it’s done in bad taste, I’d rather not put too much effort into criticizing taboo elements in fiction and put that energy into actual real life cases of criminal assault and speak out about discrimination and injustice then donate at least a dollar in charities than cry about what my toxic yaoi did.

People nowadays have too much rage and criticism towards media with dark stories when it really is **just fiction** and crucifying fictional characters then the authors by extension without even considering that the story is all about those dark elements, then proceed it to call it garbage for being what it is exactly suppose to be? Are you gonna call people garbage for being who they are too? You seem like the type to do so when you assumed people has to have a kink for Taboos to be able to read or enjoy stories that has it? You didn’t even finish the entire story and that immediately makes your opinions the only garbage here besides it being invalid, because you do not know or even acknowledge that god mythos has a plethora of stories that crosses all sorts of boundaries because their whole entire being is their untouchability and driven by their selfishness. Does that sound familiar? That’s what Ennead is! Egyptian Mythos! And SA is ultimate boundary cross! You would know that if you read it instead of getting pissy for it being dark, what the hell were you expecting reading this? Parties and puppies?

I am so terribly sorry for not being an expert on Egyptian mythology and simply wanting to read a story without extensive prior knowledge about it!! I genuinely didn't know there were qualifications required before you're allowed to have an opinion on a manhwa!!!

I think you're reading a lot more into my comment than I actually said.. I never claimed people should care more about fictional SA than real victims, nor did I say everyone who reads dark fiction is secretly into those things. I've explained that distinction several times now, so I'm honestly getting a little tired of having to repeat it. I can care about real-life assault, support victims, and still criticize media that uses sexual violence as a major narrative device. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. “It's just fiction” also doesn't settle the discussion. Of course it's fiction. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly forbidden from judging what I find distasteful in it. And saying my opinion is “invalid” because I didn't finish the story is especially silly. If something I encountered was already enough to make me drop it, why would I force myself through the rest just to earn permission to dislike it? I also don't need a mythology lecture to understand that ENNEAD is based on Egyptian mythology. Ancient myths being full of boundary-crossing doesn't mean every modern adaptation gets a free pass from criticism, especially when the author has already taken plenty of liberties with the source material. And “what were you expecting, parties and puppies?” isn't really the 'AHA, I GOTCHU NOW!!' you think it is. I expected something dark. I just didn't expect *that* particular kind of dark to be something I could tolerate. (That is why I made my comment in the first place, like I've quoted with my reply to the other guy who responded to my original comment— it was for other readers like me who got into this shit for the plot and more but didn't expect the manwha to be leaning so much into that negative shit.)There were plenty of other ways to build tension—political conflict, betrayal, manipulation, religious power struggles, psychological drama—without leaning so heavily on SA. You can think the story accomplished exactly what it wanted to. I thought it was shitty, dropped it, and warned people who might feel the same. That's literally it. I really don't know why this has turned into a whole courtroom defense of a manhwa I already told you I didn't like lol.

Idk why it got cut off but here's the rest

Ahem but in all seriousness ,ENNEAD is an original BL work inspired by Egyptian mythology, not some exact recreation of the ancient myths, and the author has already changed and expanded plenty of things to create their own version of the story, including relationships, characterizations, chronology and how the mythology itself is used. So if the author could alter all of that to fit their own narrative, I don't really see why the sexual violence suddenly has to be treated like some untouchable part of the source material. They had creative control, which means they had choices. They could've focused more on the political conflict, power struggles, betrayal, mythology or psychological side of the story, but they chose to include rape and SA as major parts of these relationships. Whether that was meant to make the story darker, more dramatic or emotionally provocative doesn't change the fact that I found the choice awful. The “they're gods, so modern morals don't apply” argument is also kinda beside the point because I'm criticizing the manhwa, not ancient Egypt. The author is a modern person making deliberate choices about how these characters and situations are written, so yes, I can judge those choices. And you say I'm kinkshaming people, but I'm not really sure why having a kink suddenly means that preference is beyond criticism. A kink is literally a sexual interest or preference, so if someone openly says they enjoy fictional portrayals of rape, SA, incest or other taboo subjects, I'm allowed to find that preference uncomfortable or morally questionable without claiming they secretly want those things to happen in real life. Obviously you have every right to enjoy what you enjoy and I have every right to have my own boundaries around what I find acceptable. We don't even know each other personally, so you don't have to care whether your preferences cross my boundaries, just like I'm not going to pretend they don't simply because you disagree with me. That's also why I made my original comment for readers who want to know what they're getting into, especially people who might be interested in the mythology, adventure and heavier themes but aren't expecting the amount of rape and SA involved. I'm not obligated to tell you exactly when I stopped reading, but I will tell you that you are most probably aware that the relationship DID start with rape and SA, not to mention the incest, and that was enough for me to drop it. I genuinely DO NOT CARE if they eventually developed emotional or romantic progress because that doesn't erase what made me dislike the relationship in the first place. So I do not get why you're arguing with me and pushing me to feel like I'M IN THE WRONG for having an opinion. I can call the story garbage if I want to. I can call it shitty, you can call it deep and meaningful, somebody else can call it a masterpiece, and I would not give a fuck, because at the end of the day it's a personal opinion. You don't have to agree with mine and I sure as hell don't have to agree with yours. I said what I thought, I warned people who might want that warning, and that's pretty much it.

Thank you so much for being the most reasonable person in this comment section. Genuinely don't get why ppl are so pressed against me talking about how I felt and thought of the story. Like I said in my og com I didn't care about the manwhas/authors' fans, it wasn't made to insult these ppl but to spread awareness to the new readers interested in giving this story a try.

Conveniently ignoring the mentions of how such elements is pre-established and it is an essential part of the mythos to convey a story based on it, so yes you are wrong for calling it garbage because you’re ignorant of the context provided and announcing that you’re dropping it because it has SA is fine and all but you are more than clear with how you see the series as nothing more than it’s SA.

And I do not care that I don’t know you personally, you’re in a public site in a comment section you and your garbage opinions are free game. Especially for 1.) immediately assuming people’s kinks are fucked up based on what media they consume and 2.) kink shaming people who actually has it as a kink. There’s a thing called bondage let me remind you! Not to mention actual SA survivors who copes with sexual activities and there is no limit to how extreme it would be.

It’s not even about the manhwa’s plot anymore, it’s how you’ve disrespected it by focusing on one of its elements and painted the whole thing bad despite it having other details to makes the whole story up with things that draws you in like you said: the politics, the drama, conflicts which was all still present but you chose to focus not on those and instead it’s on the SA.

And if it was just to warn people about the contents present in Ennead, a simple “Hey there’s SA in this series” would’ve been fine, but saying that people who have fucked up tastes would enjoy this was unnecessary and targeted no matter how much you defend yourself.

LMAO OKAY SO FIRST OF ALL why are you replying to a comment that's not for you??

The very first sentence you wrote already makes your argument dismissive, presumptuous, and honestly pretty disrespectful to the second party, aka me. What exactly gives you the authority to tell me I'm wrong for having an opinion? “An opinion is a personal belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something that isn't fully proven or based on absolute certainty.” In case you needed the reminder, which makes me feel a little sad for you :( lol. Your reasoning for why I'm supposedly “wrong” for calling the story garbage is ridiculous because how exactly am I ignorant of the context? I know ENNEAD draws from Egyptian mythology. I know those myths contain plenty of disturbing, morally complicated and boundary-crossing material. What I don't understand is why you're acting like that means the author had no say in how those things were brought into the manhwa. The mythology may be where the ideas came from, but the author still decided what to change, expand, emphasize and turn into an actual storyline. So knowing the source material doesn't mean I suddenly have to like every decision made with it. When did I ever directly say SA was the only thing going for ENNEAD? When did I deny the politics, mythology, drama and conflicts that exist throughout the story? Atp you're arguing against your own version of what I said because half of this isn't even what I've been saying, and it's honestly getting tiring having to explain the same point in five different ways. And your “I don't care that I don't know you personally” part is honestly hilarious because bro, this comment wasn't even made for you!!1!!1 You're not the only person I'm talking to, and I'm sorry if you felt a little left out because I gave them more attention, but that doesn't suddenly mean you get to snatch the response I gave to them!! :(( Still replied to you though because I am simply so kind and considerate!! ^^And yes, we're on a public site. Me and my opinions are free game. But so are yours, and calling my opinion garbage doesn't somehow make yours more correct. And sir, what exactly do you think made ME think those people's kinks were “fucked up”? It's because the story contains sexual violence, incest and other subjects that cross my personal boundaries. That's literally why I used that wording. I'm describing how I view those interests according to my own morals, not declaring some universal law that every person who reads ENNEAD is a terrible human being. I hope that finally clears it up because I'm genuinely trying my best!! To be patient!! And spell!! Out!! Every!! Little!! Thing!! For!! You!!. Your point about SA survivors coping through certain kinds of fiction doesn't really change what I said either. I never said their experiences make them bad people, and I never claimed every person who likes dark fiction has the same reason for doing so. People cope differently. Fine. That can explain someone's relationship with certain material, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to view that material the same way. You can understand why someone likes something without personally approving of it. Then there's the whole “you disrespected the story by focusing on one element” thing. Do you know why I've only been talking about that element? BECAUSE IT'S THE REASON I DROPPED IT. I didn't sit there and pretend the politics, mythology or drama didn't exist. I focused on the thing that made me stop reading because, shockingly, that's usually what people talk about when explaining why they dropped something. If the SA and incest hadn't crossed such a hard line for me, I probably would've kept reading. As a fellow writer, I can see that ENNEAD had potential, which honestly makes it more frustrating that those choices completely killed the experience for me. You keep acting like I read the story with my eyes closed and saw nothing except SA when that's simply not what happened. I saw the other elements. They just weren't enough to outweigh the things I couldn't stand. And yes, I was blunt with my wording. I'm not going to rewrite my entire comment because you didn't like how I phrased it. You can criticize the wording if you want, that's fair, but don't keep assigning arguments to me that I never made just because they're easier to fight. I know why I dropped the story. I know what bothered me. I said it publicly because other readers might want to know before starting it. If that's the way you saw my comment, then go ahead and criticize me all you like, but don't speak for other people as if they all share your interpretation of what I said. You calling my opinion garbage is still just your opinion of my opinion; making it sound certain doesn't suddenly turn it into some objective verdict on what I meant or how everyone else is supposed to view it. You're free to disagree with me, but you're not the spokesperson for every other readers' interpretation of my comment.

Thank you pagi so much for stating that, l am definitely not gonna read this. I love people who read a comic, and when they don't like it, they state exactly why don't like it. I've been saved from reading garbage story's because of people like you

Hello! I'm glad my comment was able to help you make a decision on whether you should read the story or not. When the notification came that another person had replied to my comment I thought it was someone devaluing and dismissing my opinion again lol but thank you for sharing your insights aswell!!

Gahh what's with the paragraphs Σ( ￣□￣||)

Nora

They were literally summoned in court and risked their lives because of the allegations of incest. Read it. Best manhwa ive ever read. It’s like reading something and predicting the next slide but then being shocked because it’s completely different from what u’ve expected. And norra’s chemestry w mc? 10/10, it does not feel forced and rushed and instead genuine

i can't find anything on author's Twitter. Do you mind linking more information?

Author published a post promoting the said incest manga from 2022.

https://x.com/neoshoco/status/1587284505110269954


The CP I'm talking about is linked with the kiribaku doji that they made back then and had been one of their popular works aswell. And before anyone comes at me saying the dojo doesn't count as CP yes it does because the author quite literally made illustrations of two minors for entertainment purposes made for perverts like said author themselves.

There's quite a lot more people online posting about this controversy and explaining them and providing way more details and evidence than me so I suggest you look those up too.

Thanks for the promo. Also you're loosely using the word CP on a bunch of pixel. It's not like they're real people.

acting like the original source material isnt already sexualizing "children" a bunch of the highschool girls in my hero academia has no reason to be half naked. and pretty sure one of the adult woman in that anime is making dabs at children too. don't pmo.

"cp" and its just a drawing. you're one of the reason why the term keeps getting watered down. have you done anything for the REAL victims? or you just yap online to feel good about yourself?

whether fictional art counts as CP or not is up for debate but depicting post-puberty adolescents who are arguably in their horniest phase in sexual acts shouldn't count as one.

YOU are the one watering down this kind of issue. Saying “it’s just a drawing” and acting like that means it should be taken less seriously or talked about less is exactly why people become unaware of how serious this kind of shit is in the first place. The fact that the characters are fictional doesn’t suddenly erase the fact that they’re still portrayed as minors. Fiction being fictional doesn’t give people a free pass to dismiss everything depicted in it, especially when the entire point of what I’m bringing up is the way the author chose to portray and sexualize characters who are supposed to be minors.

And no, I never mentioned MHA, so why are you making it sound like I support the show, its author, or the way its characters are portrayed whatsoever? That’s an assumption you made entirely on your own. If you think MHA sexualizes its teenage characters inappropriately, then fucking criticize it. I’m not stopping you. But you bringing up another series doesn’t somehow invalidate what I said about this author. Two things can be criticized at the same time. You’re not proving me wrong by dragging another piece of media into the conversation; you’re just changing the subject because you don’t actually have a response to my original point.

And before you pull out the “it’s just fictional” argument again, that’s literally the mindset I’m criticizing. Fiction doesn’t exist in some completely isolated bubble where nothing about it can influence how people perceive or discuss real issues. When people constantly excuse or trivialize certain subjects because “it’s only a drawing,” it can contribute to people becoming desensitized to the subject itself. That’s why I’m not going to pretend it’s meaningless just because it’s fictional.

I’m spreading awareness about the author and what they’ve created so people can actually be informed and make their own decisions about supporting them. That does not mean I’m claiming to speak for every real victim, nor does it mean I’m pretending a fictional depiction is identical to a real-life case. So your “have you done anything for REAL victims?” argument is irrelevant. You don’t get to invalidate someone raising awareness simply because they aren’t doing activism in the exact way you personally expect them to.

And honestly, if you’re putting this much effort into arguing against me and trying to make ME look like the bad guy for informing people about what this author has made, then just say you don’t think people should care. Because I genuinely don’t understand what the supposed harm is in people being informed. What exactly is the terrible consequence of someone learning what an author has created and deciding whether they still want to support them? If anything, spreading awareness gives people more information and more agency over what they choose to consume and support.

I’m not forcing anyone to agree with me or telling anyone what they have to do. I’m literally only saying, “This is what this author has made. Be aware of it.” If that alone bothers you more than the actual subject being discussed, then maybe you should rethink why you’re so determined to defend the author instead of simply acknowledging what they did.

Disregarding sexualized depictions of minors then hiding behind “it’s just fiction” or “it’s only a drawing” is exactly the kind of shit I’m criticizing. You’re acting like putting something on paper suddenly strips it of every moral implication. It doesn’t. If your entire defense is just “they’re fictional,” then you’re not really addressing the issue, you’re just using fiction as a convenient excuse to brush it off. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if you used that same logic to defend those toxic BL stories where abuse, coercion, and suffering are practically the whole fucking plot: “it’s fiction, who cares?” “Nobody’s actually getting hurt.” Same tired excuse every time. You can recognize that something is fictional without acting like that means nobody is allowed to find it disturbing, criticize it, or question the person who deliberately made it. What bothers me is the sheer eagerness to dismiss the subject altogether just because it exists on a fucking screen or page.

If you seriously need me to pull out a fucking statute before you can understand why explicitly sexualizing characters who are canonically minors is a problem, then you’re already reaching. Japan’s Act on Regulation and Punishment of Acts Relating to Child Prostitution and Child Pornography defines a child as anyone under 18 and defines child pornography around visual depictions of a child in sexual conduct, but Japan’s current framework has historically carved purely fictional manga and anime out of that criminal definition. That does NOT magically make the material morally acceptable; it means criminal law and moral criticism are two different fucking questions. Other legal frameworks, including European child-protection law, have gone further in covering depictions of people appearing to be children. So if your whole defense has now become “prove to me that this exact drawing legally meets the definition of CP,” you’re desperately trying to turn a discussion about what the author deliberately created into a courtroom technicality. I never said every country has identical laws or that the author is automatically guilty of a crime everywhere. I’m saying the author knowingly made explicit sexual material involving characters who are established minors, and pretending “they’re fictional” settles the entire issue is intellectually lazy.

WHAT A HYPOCRITE, bro literally saw on your page that you've read a oneshot yaoi manga where the two mcs are in highschool and brothers

"OH NO I GOT CAUGHT READING A GUILTY PLEASURE OF MINE AFTER SHAMING ANOTHER AUTHOR FOR PROMOTING THE SAME ISSUE!!1!1!!1", bro has it never crossed your mind I read those exact manwhas to do the same shit I'm doing with this one and spreading awareness to people, criticizing manwhas like that made by other problematic authors? Lmao if you're gonna make unreasonable assumptions and criticism like this just shut the fuck up and tell other people straight up about how you genuinely just want to protect this mangas author by trying to find issues about me, someone who's actively trying to spread awareness to other people about how problematic PB's author is.

Girl, you gave it 5 stars what awareness are you spreading? You didn't even criticize it. All talk but empty, just go back to your school books

Considering you didn’t even respond to me calling out how you went through my profile looking for something you could use against me, I’m assuming the five-star rating is the only thing you managed to find and cling onto. For the sake of keeping this argument civil and professional, I’ll apologize that you happened to come across a manga on my profile that I apparently rated five stars and that this led you to misunderstand the situation and conclude that I’m a hypocrite. The rating was most likely a misclick on my end, and I genuinely don’t remember intentionally giving it five stars, so I’ll take responsibility for that mistake regardless. What I won’t accept is you taking one accidental rating and treating it like some definitive record of my morals, opinions, or what I support. You looked through a handful of things on my profile and immediately built an accusation around them, despite having no idea what I’ve criticized elsewhere or what I’ve said about similar material outside this app. I’ve read stories I never reviewed, left others sitting in my lists, and simply didn’t bother rating plenty of things, so treating my profile like it contains a complete catalogue of my beliefs is ridiculous. I’m allowed to learn something new about a work or its creator and change my stance afterward; an old rating doesn’t permanently bind me to supporting something. And since I’m the one who brought up the Kiribaku doujinshi in the first place, doesn’t the description of “two characters in high school” sound familiar to you? That is precisely the kind of premise I was referring to when I brought up the author’s work, so it’s rather ironic that you’re trying to use another story involving high-school characters as some revelation about my supposed hypocrisy. What stands out more to me, though, is how little attention you gave to the actual reason I made my original comment. I was informing people about an author and the material they created, yet instead of engaging with any of that, you went digging through my profile until you found something you thought could discredit me. At that point, it starts looking less like you’re interested in what I’m saying and more like you’re determined to find some personal inconsistency you can weaponize. You can interpret that however you want, but when someone has to sift through another person’s profile for ammunition rather than address the substance of their criticism, it doesn’t exactly make their position look stronger. If anything, it makes me wonder why scrutinizing me mattered so much more to you than the issue I was actually raising.

You guys are so obsessed with punishing people, playing God and all that because it's easier to do it in the internet, in the place where uncensored content is free to move isn't it? Because prosecuting real predators in the streets, in the office, in the government is hard where you don't actually have any power. All it comes down to is a black and white perspective when it is always a IT DEPENDS argument. Policing people here on a porn site is not going to make you gain angel wings nor would it tempt you to lose to the devil. This is a gray area, you as many others should just read at your own risk.

Not even gonna waste my time entertaining you. Atleast the others who came to argue with me have the decency to accuse me of something. You on the other hand are just straight up laying shit flat on the surface and saying you support sexual assault, child porn, incest and all other fucked up bullshit AS LONG AS IT'S FICTIONAL. Don't even bother replying if all you're gonna do is fight against me criticising me for trying to spread awareness because at least I'M doing something. Atleast I'M trying to make an effort no matter how small of an impact it has to people. Atleast I'M not romanticizing a story of coercion, abuse and motherfucking rape.

You’re making 0 impact, you sound annoying and pretentious. if you truly want to make something worth your time, start an ONG instead of fighting fictional people on the internet, THAT is making an impact. What you’re doing here is whining and acting pathetic over people who will NEVER agree with you, and the fact that your mind cannot comprehend that if someone likes that content, there is no way they will rethink their life choices because an annoying anonymous person told them it’s wrong, wake up.
I feel, as someone who was a victim of CP and raped… your comment makes me laugh, you only care about it when fictional people are involved. go do charity work at your local area, help real kids who are in danger, do something with your life, because whatever this is, is just making people act and say things out of spite, no one would listen to a person on an illegal site btw. You don’t care about children at all, you only want the higher morale at the internet ethics parade
I would never consume CP, and never involve myself with people who do; but I do help in my area, I do go charity work, help people in need, speak about my experience so others don’t have to go through the same. because that’s making a small impact, not writing a long comment of how you are better than others because of your morals on the internet where people are anonymous, while you’re at it also look what being anonymous does to the human brain. These people know what they are reading and what they are getting themselves into and they do not care, you’re just one more internet comment, that people will soon forget about. Go outside, where people WANT and NEED help

I’m sorry if my comments came across as insensitive or offended you in any way, especially considering what you’ve personally been through. I do sympathize with you, but that doesn’t mean you can decide that what I’m doing has “0 impact” simply because it isn’t the kind of action you personally consider meaningful. Knowing what kind of people someone publicly supports can make a huge difference in how others perceive them. If someone openly says they defend and support Donald Trump, for example, people are naturally going to scrutinize that and may assume they share or tolerate some of his views because they’ve chosen to publicly associate themselves with him. Now apply that same logic here: someone could be reading this author’s work and supporting them without having the slightest idea that the author has made material like this. They could then be perceived as knowingly supporting someone who drew sexual material involving minors and promoted incest, when in reality they simply didn’t know. That is literally why I’m spreading awareness in the first place. Somehow the discussion has wandered from that into whether I’ve done enough charity work or personally helped victims, when that was never the main objective of my comment. I’m not claiming one anonymous reply is going to reform someone’s entire worldview; I’m simply making information available to people who may not have had it before. You’re right that some people will know exactly what they’re consuming and won’t care, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is equally informed. If even one person learns about the author and decides they no longer want to support them, or simply becomes more conscious of what they’re engaging with, then saying I made “0 impact” is already an inaccurate statement. I know I have limits, I have responsibilities outside the internet, and I’m not going to pretend I’m some activist saving the world. I’m doing what I can at the moment, and that happens to be speaking up and informing people. You can think that’s insignificant if you want, but that still doesn’t make your assessment an objective fact.

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I think you’re attributing an intention to me that I never had in the first place. You keep framing this as though I believe arguing with strangers online is some substitute for actual action, when I never said that. I’m not presenting a comment section as a solution to the issue; I’m using the platform I’m already on to say something I think people should know. Telling me to start an NGO, go outside, or do charity work doesn’t really rebut anything I said either. Those are worthwhile things, sure, but they’re completely different forms of action, and one does not suddenly become worthless because the other exists. You called my comment an attempt to feel morally superior, yet you’re the one assigning an ulterior motive to me instead of engaging with the substance of what I actually wrote. I’m not claiming to be some savior, nor am I demanding that anyone change their life because I told them to. If someone reads my comment and remains completely unmoved, then so be it. I said what I wanted to say. You seem to be measuring the value of an action exclusively by whether it produces an immediate, dramatic transformation in someone, which is an incredibly narrow way of looking at impact. But your personal experience still cannot be used as a universal measuring stick for everyone else’s actions. You found meaning through charity and speaking about your experience; I’m trying to raise awareness in the space I currently have access to. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. And the whole “people will forget your comment” argument doesn’t really prove anything either. People forget most things they encounter online. That doesn’t mean those things had no effect while they were seen. A warning doesn’t become pointless just because it isn’t permanently etched into someone’s memory. You’re basically telling me that because I can’t guarantee a life-changing result, I shouldn’t bother saying anything at all, and I don’t agree with that mentality. If everyone waited until they could guarantee some enormous outcome before speaking up, awareness would never fucking start anywhere. I’m not claiming this comment section will solve the problem. I’m saying it is better for people to know what they’re supporting than to remain completely unaware of it, and I don’t think that is such an outrageous thing to stand by.

you are so confident, and so so wrong, the issue isn't you “raising awareness,” it's you calling fictional drawings CP, you keep doing it, even when you know you're hurting real victims by doing that. No real child was involved, exploited, or harmed when creating that doujinshi. You can dislike what the author drew, but saying its actual child exploitation is incredibly misleading and disgusting of you. If your goal was to genuinely to inform people, then bring up the facts ACCURATELY and let people decide how they feel about it on their own, its not cp, and if you seriously thought it was, why don't you make a police report? or submit an anon tip to the fbi page of exploitation of minors? because you know nothing will be done, because again, no real child was harmed or exploited, which means its not cp.

I’m honestly getting tired of having to explain the same distinction over and over. You keep treating “no real child was physically present” as though that automatically settles the entire issue, when it doesn’t. Even UNICEF’s child-protection terminology explicitly recognizes that child sexual abuse material can include drawings and other artificially created material, including hand-drawn images; the Council of Europe likewise recognizes that under the Budapest Convention, certain material depicting a minor or a person appearing to be a minor can qualify even without a real child being involved in its production. Japan’s own statute defines a child as someone under 18 and defines child pornography in terms of visual depictions of a child in specified sexual poses. So no, I’m not inventing some bizarre concept out of nowhere just because I’m calling attention to it. Whether this particular doujinshi satisfies the criminal definition under Japanese law is a separate legal question, and I’m not pretending every country has identical legislation. What I’m saying is that calling the material child sexual abuse material is not inherently “misleading” simply because the characters are fictional. You’re also reducing exploitation to whether an actual child was physically used during production, which ignores the fact that the material itself can sexualize characters established as minors and can be commercially produced and distributed. The author profiting from the work obviously doesn’t mean a real child was somehow present and exploited during its creation, so I’m not claiming that; the point is that the author chose to create and profit from sexual material depicting characters who are minors. That distinction matters. By your logic, if a fictional character is sexually assaulted, abused, or otherwise subjected to something horrific, then none of it is worth discussing because “they’re fictional.” Obviously that reasoning falls apart immediately. Fiction can depict serious subjects, and people are perfectly entitled to criticize how those subjects are portrayed. My purpose from the beginning has been to make people aware of what this author has created. I’m not forcing anyone to condemn them, I’m not ordering anyone to stop reading their work, and I’m not pretending one comment will transform somebody’s worldview overnight. I’m giving people information they may not have had before. If you disagree with my terminology, argue that point without pretending the existence of fictional characters makes the subject automatically harmless or beyond criticism.

im very very sorry about what you've been through and i hope you're doing better now :((( Also, please stop using the term cp, that insinuates consent. csam is the correct term as children CANNOT consent

I’m honestly getting tired of having to explain the same distinction over and over. You keep treating “no real child was physically present” as though that automatically settles the entire issue, when it doesn’t. Even UNICEF’s child-protection terminology explicitly recognizes that child sexual abuse material can include drawings and other artificially created material, including hand-drawn images; the Council of Europe likewise recognizes that under the Budapest Convention, certain material depicting a minor or a person appearing to be a minor can qualify even without a real child being involved in its production. Japan’s own statute defines a child as someone under 18 and defines child pornography in terms of visual depictions of a child in specified sexual poses. So no, I’m not inventing some bizarre concept out of nowhere just because I’m calling attention to it. Whether this particular doujinshi satisfies the criminal definition under Japanese law is a separate legal question, and I’m not pretending every country has identical legislation. What I’m saying is that calling the material child sexual abuse material is not inherently “misleading” simply because the characters are fictional. You’re also reducing exploitation to whether an actual child was physically used during production, which ignores the fact that the material itself can sexualize characters established as minors and can be commercially produced and distributed. The author profiting from the work obviously doesn’t mean a real child was somehow present and exploited during its creation, so I’m not claiming that; the point is that the author chose to create and profit from sexual material depicting characters who are minors. That distinction matters. By your logic, if a fictional character is sexually assaulted, abused, or otherwise subjected to something horrific, then none of it is worth discussing because “they’re fictional.” Obviously that reasoning falls apart immediately. Fiction can depict serious subjects, and people are perfectly entitled to criticize how those subjects are portrayed. My purpose from the beginning has been to make people aware of what this author has created. I’m not forcing anyone to condemn them, I’m not ordering anyone to stop reading their work, and I’m not pretending one comment will transform somebody’s worldview overnight. I’m giving people information they may not have had before. If you disagree with my terminology, argue that point without pretending the existence of fictional characters makes the subject automatically harmless or beyond criticism.

Thank you for the correction! I at first thought they had little difference in definition because they are both illegal content, that's why I didn't pay much attention to which term to use.

Omg mb for recommenting this, I thought my first response didn't get posted

no worries at all! sending hugs !! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

like they're both teenagers, same age, depicted as lovers, and consenting to the sex

hi i want to ask something like genuinely so i hope you can reply without attacking me or anything. you have a HAIKYUU DOUJINISHI in your reading list…? from what i could see from the gallery pics it is clearly nswf…? wouldn’t this literally be tje same exact thing for Kiribaku doujinishi?? why are you reading that but going crazy over the MHA one??? im genuinely confused. you talk about not supporting the author but then you go and read the literal thing you’re so against to

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I also want to know

as far as i remember from the novel, woojin only involved in romance with miley cara but it was near the end of the chapters where they get together. as for the side characters, there's no bromance or relationship with woojin or each character. the novel only focus on woojin progress as an actor with the space and not delve deeper into other individual character. i think woojin see them as actor friends and some as co-workers because woojin still see himself as ordinary citizen to ground himself as he gets more famous.

Preferably yaoi or Yuri with good smut

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