People get toxic yaoi then complain that the story is toxic ???
I like toxic yaoi when it's actually fucking written well, this is just rape fetish.
Then don’t read it?? Nobody forced you to read it plus this is a side story which conveys a lot of message and things that happen in abusive situations which clearly, you weren’t able to grasp
No it doesn't, the author consistently blames the uke and praises the seme for abusing and rapping the uke, this isn't to show what a toxic relationship is like... It's to satisfy a a rape fetish and that's it. The whole 'dont like it then don't read it' is so stupid, I'm allowed to complain about an awful manhwa if I want
*rapeing
BFFR If you can't comprehend the themes properly, you shouldn't be talking about the writing in the first place because there's a difference between a story HAVING rape in it and a story being rape FETISH content. Making it seem like it's the same thing just tells me you didn't read it properly. You can dislike it all you want but don't spread bullshit. If you think this is just rape fetishization, then I seriously question what you think "written well" means. And if you like toxic relationship stories but think this isn't well written, then I'm starting to wonder what exactly have you been reading and that's considered to be a "well-written toxic relationship".
This is the reason why rape against men isnt taken seriously enough, half of the story is the rape and there's pretty much no reason of it except for the fact the author hates the uke and likes too see him suffer which she has admitted to.
What does that have to do with me differentiating between a story containing rape and a story fetishizing rape?
If you really like toxic bls I recommend checkmate, the fallen lamb, murderous lewellyns candlelit dinner (it's so good) , red candy and radio storm
Because this story DOES fetishize it, pls tell me how it doesnt
The story frames it as trauma, not indulgence and the characters are psychologically damaged, their development is literally built around that, not romanticizing the acts
Already read all of that except radio storm I was kinda bored in the middle of it so I dropped it
There is NO development like the ending is just the uke killing himself and then the seme gets upset because he did so. Then like always the uke goes back for no reason
Just say you didn’t understand the damn story because it’s way more than that. I don’t care about what the author said but the story clearly portrayed Stockholm syndrome and suicidal tendencies very well. Not gonna sit here and defend wookyung but his character is very very nuanced
Don’t jump me but— am I the only one uninterested in the main couple? I need the side couple stat! I want them I want their story Omg. I just know the beta will top. I’m so starved. They seem more interesting to me so I’ll just let this marinate longer
Edit: why am I getting downvoted? Lmaoooo
Omg I’m gonna cry because the translation isn’t working for me, wtf
Bcuz its a Korean site
opinion accepted. It might be because they're like any other couple out there having their lovey dovey moments, the problems of relationships, and cuz they're cringy to others. Personality wise tho, they're one step above average (for me cuz I'm considering the bare minimums IRL and in fiction) because at least they communicate and basically not that toxic.
SPOILER: beta is top, recessive alpha the cutest bottom ever. bottom alpha had the least expected character growth (because some and I myself also expected for him to be an asshole cuz it's generic), and baby just needs some therapy. And the one that is bringing bottom alpha on the bright side of life is beta top. I also love them so much, I hope bottom alpha (my bad i forgot his name) heals from his trauma sooner
I really didn’t know I’d come to love the alpha bottom this much. He’s genuinely so precious to me and I love his character development. I love his awkwardness, he’s so cute omg.
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Fr I want Kiss Me Liar got animated (TvT). Wait, no, I need Desire Me series to be animated. The hot recessive omega is great!
I am so attached to this manhwa. I keep coming back to read it again and again cos I miss my miserable toxic couple. I’ll be back again soon.
pack it up byunn minho
LMFAOOOOO.
English translation on tappy is out. Yes they loved each other, yes they missed an opportunity of a life time, yes, Ian resign to his wretched faith, yes they were thinking about each other, yes, they cried for each other, yes, they are star-crossed lovers, yes, ch 98 is the emotional weight of Wetsand. Yes yes yes. Yes, I will keep drinking this tragic yaoi
Tips on how to move on? Because I think of Jo and Ian being doomed by the narrative every single passing second. I mourn what they could have been. That narrator in ch 98 genuinely killed me. They missed an opportunity of a life time indeed.
OKAY THEY ARE GONNA GET MARRIEDDDDDD. ALSO I WANT TO SEE THE ROMANCE BETWEEN THE BOSS AND NA-IN. SOMETHING WAS HINTED BETWEEN THOSE TWO OR AM I DELUSIONAL AND ASKING FOR TOO MUCH???
Blocked that @looni now you gotta tell the world that I blocked you. If you get blocked, fucking move on. All these mental gymnastics won’t stop the fact that Jo did not rape Ian. And if you wanna play morality police, you gotta accept that tj also raped Ian, if you wanna play by that too.
@lowkey hater talmbout some I blocked her too like it wasn’t them that blocked me first. You block me, and I block you back.
Wetsand is a poorly executed tragedy manhwa and nothing will change that. If Shitjoon was indeed supposed to be a HAPPY endgame with Ian, then he should have gotten MORE screentime than Jo which he did not, and he should have fucking redeemed himself which he did not. 2 decades and he’s on some “I want to go home,” “you scare me youngwoo.” What an abuser tactic an manchild behavior right there.
Stick to your opinions and I’ll stick to mine. I’ll keep mourning the what ifs between Jo and Ian and drink their doomed star-crossed lovers narrative. If you have a problem with it, suck it up.
i meant to dislike srry
I wish I gave a shit what you meant to do.
OHMYGOD looni is saying nasty shit about you??
Lmfaooo I giggled.
Low-key instigating
Calling Jo a “rapist” will not make your Stan look better, sorry to break it to you.
Doesn't change Jo's label too if you want to be specific.
What label? Kinda curious.
You really gonna pretend to be obtuse? I mean jzzing on an unconscious YW. sexual assaulter at a minimum. falls under the abuser umbrella too.
Oh yeah, Jo SA’ed Ian by cumming on his face. We Joians know this quite alright. So why do yall keep calling him a rapist if he isn’t a rapist?
Yes without his CONSENT. I was being nice but it does also fall under the RAPIST umbrella. like what the hell do you think a sexual assaulter is!??
Do you not know what Rape is? Ian gave consent to sex but not to Jizz, which makes Jo NOT a rapist. Every Rape is SA but not every SA is rape. Also if we’re on this topic, what’s your take away with Ian asking tj to take it out and tj saying no? And tj telling him that’s he’s being such a baby when Ian says that it hurts? Or does this morality apply to Jo only?
is that not a form of rape then what is it? does that make it any better anywaysss!!!!!? and what chapter is that? did I justify any of tj's actions? I'm just calling out the hypocrisy. If you want to make comparisons then lets go. now here we are.
It doesn’t make it any better cos you don’t see me defending Jo’s action at the time? If anything, you should be calling out the hypocrisy on your side because you can’t call Jo a rapist then excuse tj blatantly saying no when Ian asks him to take it out. I say you go back into Ws and read it again cos I’m not about to go in there to find the chapter. I’ve got the screenshots but I’ve forgotten what chapter tj was like “no, I’m hard again,” “but you like it like this,” “no” “don’t be such a baby.” Until then, we can have this conversation.
Also, I saw you in a previous comment being sarcastic about tj breaking Ian’s ankle indirectly. If you wanna morally police ws, morally police their actions equally. You would never catch me defending Jo for doing what he did, but he is NOT a rapist and I’m dying on this hill. Take care.
my point is both are not clean characters. even the author has said all three of them are not black and white. they will do things to each others, bad and good justifiable or not. this is not one of those stories where you should hinge your morality on. it's a freaken bl. and it's fiction. youve been on here ranting all day how tj is an abuser and I'm saying and jo isn't at the minimum?? and it only took him a couple months! I've feeling had YW picked him you wouldn't be so passionate about the ending and disregarded what he has done to yW. But go on, whatever makes you feel better.
Take care.
But tj is an abuser? And you don’t see me justify Jo’s action? God forbid I want Ian to pick the guy who was his first when it came to certain things and gave him the love he’s been craving, normalcy. Between tj and Jo, the option is Jo considering all the years of abuse went through with tj. I’m a Joian Stan and I’m also an Ian solo Stan. I would have made peace with his decision if we got to see why he chose tj? Because you and I both know that they never had ONE meaningful conversation to solidify the reason as to why they were endgame. In the end, it’s just Ian doing shit and tj barely doing anything for his so-called lover. Back to my point, Jo is NOT a rapist and if you wanna call him a rapist so bad, then tj is also a rapist. I don’t even dwell on this because the author herself clarified that none of her characters are rapists but tj fans like you keep calling him why he’s not, now I gotta be the morality police and flesh everything out. Whatever, you hold your own opinions and I do the same.
Why is she grasping at straws when we bring this topic up, i am crine like they think this is not that serious ,which stems from rape culture to the core.she needs to understand and remember that a rapist & some actions is/are unredeemable because the trauma they inflict is permanent. SA isn't a "mistake" that can be fixed by an apology, TJ sending people to restrain Ian was a mistake that could've been redeemed throughout apology and Ian continuing his career if he wanted.Same for all TJ's wrong actions.
That's right you're a JOIAN Stan, of course you are. Jo was never going to give him that peace and happiness. He always wanted TJ. Like I know it's hard for you come to terms with that, but Jo would've always been a substitute. Why would you want that for him as well? Ian upon seeing TJ again, literally told him to run away with him!?? And once TJ came to terms with what he wanted Ian quite literally cut Jo loose and started planning his and TJ's life together!!!? Ian is literally grinning in every other panel in the last few chapters. He's happiest with TJ. Are those not enough actionable hints! Do they have to word vomit you everything?
Clearly, TJ and YW's speaks through their actions not words it's why YWs "I love you" at the end is so impactful. And why the author placed emphasis and focus on it. The author has given us many unspoken and spoken hints throughout the story as to why he chose TJ. It was always going to be him. This story is their love story, and I know you'll be triggered but Jo was just a catalyst for Ian to realize what he wanted with TJ. Doesn't matter if you think his relationship with Jo would've been healthier*, he just didn't want him.
Anyways, the story is over. It's your own problem to get over it, or not, not any one elses burden.
And if the author said they're not rapist then they're not rapist. I didn't say I was the morality police here did I? I was just calling out your hypcrocisy.
You gonna call out TJ's shit then lets call out Jo's too. Now here we are again.
Take Care.
Like I said, you hold your own opinions, and I do the same.
surreeee.
well she did admit to being a joian shipper (unsurprisingly) so that explains it all. XD
And you being a t*ian shipper explains everything to be but you don’t see me talking about that.
majority of tj stans get their opinion from tiktok loll
Maybe one day they can actually read and formulate opinions for themselves.
right cause the author herself stated that nobody in the story is a rapist so you dont see jo stans pointing out the fact that tj still continued to penetrate when ian said stop, because that in fact does fall under the sexual assault act.
like WE KNOW thats the only thing you can actually pin point how jo is a "terrible person".
CLOCK IT !! LOVE TO IGNORE THIS AND DEFEND THIS MAN'S ACTION I'M GLAD YOU SAID THIS CUZ I'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE RESPONSE TO THIS IS
They love*
Actually, they didn’t respond to that. They started telling me some shit about how they’re not clean characters. HO SHITJOON IS A RAPIST.
not only do i hate seongmin and desperately wish dohun killed his ass and let his head fertilize that flower pot, now i have an even better reason to hate his ass cos how dare him touch yuwon like ever???? bro need to fucking dieeeee. also, soooo glad i never doubted dohun. that’s dada, i will never doubt dada
WHY DO U HATE SEONGMIN
SPOILERS PLSSSSSS
Help I JUST posted a comment abt my switch up on seongmin anyways dohun mogs
Not my comment but it’s bc Seongmin threatened dohun in the recent chapter saying he could do anything to Yuwon while he was drunk and he wouldn’t wake up I think
u mean he implied he SAed yuwon????
yes exactly. he told dohun that yuwon is a heavy sleeper and no matter what he does to him, he wouldn’t wake up. they had this conversation on the rooftop and remember when seongmin came back smiling? exactly.
I never switched up on him, his character is too consistent to just lie like that. i love him even more rn and he’s always been there for his wife
Even though he let me down I agree with u queen his character writing is PHENOMENAL
Isn’t this hypocritical for the readers when the male lead literally raped the mc?
Because the rape serves heavily to the plot and these two characters are emotionally attached to the hip. Now, I’m not defending rape but if you read the story carefully, you’d understand why Dohun did what he did and why everybody hates seongmin cos we all wanted at least ONE sane person around him and seongmin is predatory.
Ik rape is extremely bad ain't no one here justifying it
And m assuming doohon raped mc bc he thought mc knew everything about seongmin and what he did yet leaving him for him... Not to mention their relationship became strained bc of that seongmin only.
Hah this shit is so messed up
Fucking every single characs need therapy wtf lmao
lol fr, makes me wonder what kinda ending will it be cuz I can’t see a happy one yet I don’t want one of them both dying for whatever reason
Both going for therapy is the best ending I could see
Other than that i cant see anything happy